nekom: Can anyone explain to me why the Navy even wants this capability? I mean, yes that is indeed pretty slick, but of what use it it?
Marcus Aurelius: nekom: Can anyone explain to me why the Navy even wants this capability? I mean, yes that is indeed pretty slick, but of what use it it?It's a replacement for the Marine's Harrier. Of course it's a lot more expensive than the Harrier, and carries 1/3 less fuel than the F-35A, and can only pull 7 Gs in a turn, and can't land vertically with ordinance on board. But at least it's someone to share the costs with.
Seth'n'Spectrum: The Navy never really wanted it, the Marines did because they got obsessed with having close in air support from their amphibious assault ships when Navy carriers aren't hanging around.
Seth'n'Spectrum: The argument has been made that having the S/VOTL capability has more or less ruined the aircraft's other functionality. Worth a read if you have... 26 minutes?
UberDave: But it is going to replace a bunch of other aging jets and I think it's a little cheaper if I remember correctly
indarwinsshadow: Just curious, but why didn't the USN adopt the Harrier way back when? I know the marines used it, I'm just curious why the rest of your forces didn't?
Old_Chief_Scott: Operationally, it opens up several classes of ships to operate fixed wing assets.
UberDave: ... can hover on station for at least 10 minutes ... can take off an land in a tiny area ... is going to replace a bunch of other aging jets...
Thunderboy: . And max operational hover time is significantly less than ten minutes, closer to two-three, with a max altitude of @ 10,000 feet, well within range of many common AA systems. The ten-minute record was set in a controlled environment.
Click Click D'oh: Hover time is for getting on and off the deck and party tricks.
Thunderboy: Click Click D'oh: Hover time is for getting on and off the deck and party tricks.Yes, my comment was in response to "can hover on station for at least 10 minutes".The entire program is a gleaming example of when bad ideas refuse to die.
snowjack: So, local government cutbacks are approaching the point where they can't afford to fill potholes in the roads or provide emergency police response, state investment in higher education has been cut by 50% or more in many places, Federal sequestration is going to cut 600,000 research jobs over the next three years, but HEY WE HAVE A FARKING HOVERJET
muck1969: I've been seeing a bit of F-35 complaints on the interwebs, how it's practically outperformed in nearly every measure by Russian T-50 and Chinese J-20 fighters, and how we should all be mad at our government for such a flop. But most times those articles fail to mention the F-22 was intended as the premier fighter, and that the F-35 was intended to be multi-role and full of performance compromises. I guess the F-35 is the focus, of what seems to me to be lazy, sensationalist journalism, since it's still in production and still working through the problems of its various configurations.No, I don't work for a Lockheed contractor, subcontractor, or even in a state in which components are built AFAIK. No, I am not a military hardware expert; Maybe I have too much reliance on Wikipedia. But it does make sense to me to have both the F-22 and F-35 (and variants). While the cost seems excessive over estimates, maybe I should be smoking something to believe that the politicians were somehow partially right in that there's money to be saved by replacing an aging and varied air fleet (average 25+ years) with a common platform and shared components. But save the A-10, for some reason I like that plane./tldr; F-22 and F-35 good, old planes bad, except A-10
studebaker hoch: Or the Ramones.
Marcus Aurelius: Of course it's a lot more expensive than the Harrier, and carries 1/3 less fuel than the F-35A, and can only pull 7 Gs in a turn, and can't land vertically with ordinance on board. But at least it's someone to share the costs with.
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