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2013-08-20 12:21:01 PM

Frank N Stein: Rocket To Russia: Frank N Stein: Alaska is great. There's so much open space, beautiful terrain, and amazing wildlife that one can easily spend a day away from another human and explore. Its not hard to find an empty stream to fish, or lazily kayak a bay to observe whales and seals, or spent a day hiking up a mountain.

Sounds like a liberal environmentalist's paradise!

Yeah, could be. Also enjoyed by conservative conservationists or just people who enjoy nature.


Whatever happened to the concept of a 'conservative conservationist', anyway? Even though it seems obvious and logical, these days the phrase sounds like an oxymoron.
 
2013-08-20 12:21:09 PM

HeadLever: True, but the generalized political idea behind socialism is  the 'social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources'

I agree that the public does need a stake in these resources, however, I don't agree that it needs to be public ownership.


In realistic discussion of Western politics, however, using this definition isn't really useful.  Even the actual socialist parties in Europe mostly do not call for abolition of private property ownership, and certainly there is zero hardcore socialist sentiment in American politics.  

shiat, to most of our electorate Socialist means "central right politician".

(My hillbilly Alaskan relatives who call Obama a socialist and then take their socialist oil handout from the state always amuse me).
 
2013-08-20 12:24:24 PM

elffster: Pocket Ninja: It's absolutely true. Everyone in Alaska is content to be snowed in for months at a time with no modern conveniences such as electricity, running water, or the Internet. They live off the fat of the land, hunting moose with black powder rifles and ice fishing. They bury their meat in the ground and smoke it that way. They go on long walks into the wilderness with only bags of rice and a knife to survive, and some of them never come back, and they simply nod at that and explain that "this is Alaska." They share their wives with strangers and when someone grows too ill to survive another winter, he does not complain or whimper about "universal health care;" no, he merely finds an ice floe and sits down upon it and faces west so that he can witness one last sunset, one last beacon of God's creation, before allowing himself to slip silently beneath the waves. Capitalism for an Alaskan consists of bartering bits of bone, wild nuts, and salmon for what necessities he cannot make on his own. They are like Canadians, in some ways, except of course Alaskans cherish freedom and liberty above all things, even life, while Canadians do not. For it is true that long ago God crafted a mold from which he fashioned the earliest pioneers, those rugged individuals who wrenched America from the vast and empty wilderness. When the job was done, God cast that mold aside, into a land where only the strongest and most able could survive. That land was Alaska, and the mold lies there still.

I swear to farking God you need to just copy and paste these all into a book, The Pocket Book of Pocket Ninja.  Each quotation will feature the Fark thread/topic of course..so it has *some* sort of context.

You magnificent bastard.  I heart you. In a non-gay way of course.  NTTAWT.


I'm late to the thread, but I'm already (kind of) doing that.
 
2013-08-20 12:24:25 PM
www.alaska-in-pictures.com
The way America Used to Be:  filled with old people in the summer.
 
2013-08-20 12:25:29 PM

ginkor: A few travelogue tips on visiting Alaska.

2)  The first two weeks of July are the best time to visit, because temperatures in Anchorage are in the high 60's to low 70's, by then the mosquitoes are gone, and there is about 20 hours of sunlight a day, so you never want to sleep and want to walk everywhere.


No, the mosquitoes are never gone until the first good freeze, usually Late September, early October.  They come back at breakup, usually in April.

3)  The state railroad is classic 1940s style, comfortable with lots of leg room, which is a great way to travel to Seward, because it is insanely beautiful.  Seward is gorgeous, but has a more classical Alaskan look, and is where you can catch a 100-ton boat to see the Denali National Park.

Have to be one helluva boat to make it almost 400 miles inland.  Denali National Park is in the middle of the state.  (I think you meant to say Kenai Fjords National Park)

4)  As peaceful and calm as the land is, the water is right at the border of fisherman's heaven and hell.  It is full of giant fish, but can turn from smooth as glass to 8-10' swells in minutes.  There are warnings everywhere that the glacial silt beaches are deadly, and they are not kidding.

Used to be.  Overfishing has seriously depleted the populations.  When I was a kid catching a 200lb halibut out of Seward or Whittier was so common it was barely worth mentioning.  Now 35-40lb catches are considered a good day.


6)  Oddly enough, the prices there are pretty comparable for most things, though there are no convenience stores and few fast food restaurants.  Direct flights to many US cities.

This is probably the most confusing.  Convenience stores are everywhere.  In many of the rural villages all they have is a convenience store.

Everything else was pretty spot on though.
 
2013-08-20 12:27:46 PM

Skyd1v: When I was a kid catching a 200lb halibut out of Seward or Whittier was so common it was barely worth mentioning.  Now 35-40lb catches are considered a good day.


farking pukers have nigh on run the commercial fisherfolk into the ground.
 
2013-08-20 12:29:01 PM
I'd like to see the million dollar resort he's vacationing at while declaring Alaskans are independent self starters.
 
2013-08-20 12:29:30 PM
I don't remember America coming with a great big fat natural resources royalty cheque from the Government, but if it did, hey, I like the Old America.

BIG FAT GOVERNMENT CHEQUE FOR EVERY ONE! YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT!
 
2013-08-20 12:29:38 PM

Frank N Stein: Mr. Shabooboo: Bill likes his wilderness like he likes his cities

Uneducated
Racist
Sexist
Homophobic
Antisemitic
People in constant fear of their own shadow
Trigger happy

 Just like the good lawrd intended..

How can "wilderness" be any of this things?


Never turn your back on a Larch...Never...
 
2013-08-20 12:31:20 PM
John Aronno of the Alaska Commons website counters O'Reilly's "mansplaining."

I don't want to white-knight Bill O'Reilly, but at least he doesn't use the term "mansplaining".
 
2013-08-20 12:33:07 PM

Frank N Stein: Alaska is great. There's so much open space, beautiful terrain, and amazing wildlife that one can easily spend a day away from another human and explore. Its not hard to find an empty stream to fish, or lazily kayak a bay to observe whales and seals, or spent a day hiking up a mountain. I miss it every once in a while when I'm dealing with annoying panhandlers, busy crowds of assholes, and the overarching smell of urine here in Chicago.


You know in the western states if you are willing to walk a mile off the road on any of the public lands, you pretty much get that too, without the mosquitoes and bears.  No one, just you and the rare German tourist.

lilplatinum: My hillbilly Alaskan relatives who call Obama a socialist and then take their socialist oil handout from the state always amuse me


Alaska is the most northern of the southern states.
 
2013-08-20 12:33:34 PM
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2013-08-20 12:38:41 PM

ChipNASA: Anyone else *REALLY happy Pocket Ninja is back?

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YES. As a testament to that: in my will, I am leaving all of my internets to PN. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.
 
2013-08-20 12:38:51 PM

lilplatinum: In realistic discussion of Western politics, however, using this definition isn't really useful.


Meh, it is an overused buzzword used by both sides to beat up on the other.  On the right, they point to the slippery slope of liberals wanting to move the country into socalism, while the left takes the same strawman and beats up on Sarah Palin photos.

I'll agree that it is far from useful, though you do have the occasional true socialst democrat call for nationalizing an industry.
 
2013-08-20 12:39:10 PM

Rapmaster2000: [www.alaska-in-pictures.com image 468x310]
The way America Used to Be:  filled with old people in the summer.


Little tourist, Little tourist
Little tourist from America
Well they all drive Winnebagos and they all drive real slow
And they all have fuzzy poodles
And their wives all have blue hair
And they all come to Alaska, for what, I don't know.

And they all have bumper stickers
That say "There's no inheritance
because I'm up here and I'm spending it now"
They take photographs of the caribou
And stop every time they see a moose
But they prob'ly couldn't tell you a bull from a cow.
 
2013-08-20 12:41:15 PM

Rapmaster2000: www.alaska-in-pictures.com
The way America Used to Be: filled with old people in the summer.


How can we be certain this is not an image of Canadians making their way south?
 
2013-08-20 12:41:40 PM

Rocket To Russia: Frank N Stein: Rocket To Russia: Frank N Stein: Alaska is great. There's so much open space, beautiful terrain, and amazing wildlife that one can easily spend a day away from another human and explore. Its not hard to find an empty stream to fish, or lazily kayak a bay to observe whales and seals, or spent a day hiking up a mountain.

Sounds like a liberal environmentalist's paradise!

Yeah, could be. Also enjoyed by conservative conservationists or just people who enjoy nature.

Whatever happened to the concept of a 'conservative conservationist', anyway? Even though it seems obvious and logical, these days the phrase sounds like an oxymoron.


They're still out there. Although no-one really uses the term "conservative conservationist". It's a clumsy phrase that I used just to counter your "liberal environmentalist" term. However there are plenty of conservatives that identify as conservationist. Organizations such as Ducks Unlimited, which does great work in protecting wetlands, are I'm guessing full of political conservatives.
 
2013-08-20 12:43:09 PM

Kirzania: Rapmaster2000: www.alaska-in-pictures.com
The way America Used to Be: filled with old people in the summer.

How can we be certain this is not an image of Canadians making their way south?


There's no snow.  they only go south when it's snowing.

/exception for hockey playoffs
 
2013-08-20 12:44:01 PM

mediablitz: The America where everyone gets yearly checks from oil companies?

Bill O'Reilly loves socialism!!!


Is there a term for corporatized socialism?
 
2013-08-20 12:46:16 PM
Is Bill O'Reilly that desperate to keep Sarah Palin relevant?  It seems like the only reason on God's green earth why he would go there.

Well...that and because he's still upset that white men over 40 aren't the only demographic worth catering to in election years anymore.
 
2013-08-20 12:46:33 PM

Rocket To Russia: Whatever happened to the concept of a 'conservative conservationist', anyway?


That may be because the liberals that make the talking points problably refuse to belive that they exist.  The town where I come from is mostly supported by mining and ranching and some logging where nearly everyone is conservative and loves to hunt, fish, ski, hike, camp, snomobile, dirtbike, hunt for shed antlers, birdwatch, pick wild chokecherries, rasberries, mushrooms, asparagus, horseradish and plums.  They don't want to see these lands become another California and will fight to keep public access open and these areas wild.
 
2013-08-20 12:47:48 PM
Ahh SE Alaska, a fine mix of criminals, scoundrels, bums, scallywags, lowlifes and losers all running from something down South.

/I miss the "P" Bar and wandering through Old Thompson Harbor
 
2013-08-20 12:48:20 PM

Frank N Stein: Organizations such as Ducks Unlimited, which does great work in protecting wetlands, are I'm guessing full of political conservatives.


Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation would be another one that is mostly filled with 'conservatives'.
 
2013-08-20 12:50:21 PM

Clemkadidlefark: So .. America use to be infested with poodle sized mosquito, unrelenting cold and whores.

Gotcha


I too long for the day when the whores were unrelenting.
 
2013-08-20 12:50:47 PM
So, still no one saying  "M-Fer, I want more iced tea."
 
2013-08-20 12:53:26 PM
I still wanna know how the state of Alaska gets the money off of a national resource like oil. Where's my damn check?

/Would prefer they invest my check to stabilize entitlement finances.
 
2013-08-20 12:53:57 PM
BillO the Clown wouldn't last a week in the America that 'used to be'.

working sunup to sundown, and then some.  the best of America was the 60's/70's.  except vietnam and civil rights.  it was down hill from there.

and, starting in the mid 70's, according to the Congressional Budget Office, Real Wages and Worker productivity begin to diverge.  Real wages flattend out and worker productivity went thru the roof.

wonder where all that extra wealth went?

to our friends in the richest 2% of the Nation.

and THAT is much of the reason why this Nation is in the place its in today.

cheers!
 
2013-08-20 12:54:17 PM
Bill O'Reilly doesn't know poo about the real Alaska, and heaven help us if the rest of the US was like it, but hey....we're thankful, yes?  On to attention grabbing:

Oooh me, pick me!!  Me, me, me!!! Over here!

Ok, have the attention of the class now.  I have relatives in Alaska and none to be found more rednecky than my cousins.  Anyway, the first story my great-uncle told me when I moved up there was about a guy who dismembered his wife with a chainsaw while she was still alive (of course she died from her injuries) his defense was that it was due to cabin fever-which is a real mental condition and is super scary.  That and the whole moose keeping me from picking up the morning newspaper at 5AM, the earthquakes and the other guy who got mauled to death by a hungry bear on the Park Strip in downtown.  Best places to party are the Eskimo bars if you're in Anchorage if they take to you.

/spent most of a year drunk, stoned and working in a health food store in Anchorage AK, LOL
//don't ever mess with the bush pilots, those folks be way crazy
///in the winter, you do one of three things, drink beer, smoke pot or play hockey, hopefully not all 3 at once, the results are usually lost teeth
////cops in AK get high too, BTW

Back in Colorado now and that's wild enough for me, although I miss AK and always will
 
2013-08-20 12:54:24 PM

The Lone Gunman: mediablitz: The America where everyone gets yearly checks from oil companies?

Bill O'Reilly loves socialism!!!

Is there a term for corporatized socialism?


Yep. It's called fascism. There's a lot more to fascism than that, of course, but that's how they handled their economy.
 
2013-08-20 12:54:50 PM
Was in Alaska last week actually, if you like the outdoors it is the spot.  Spend a 4 days backpacking Denali, and drove down the Kenai Peninsula.  The gas stations between Denali and Anchorage have this gas station of the apocalypse thing going on.
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2013-08-20 12:54:54 PM
Does he mean "Mostly natives and a few crazy whites"?
 
2013-08-20 12:57:40 PM

Ghastly: Does he mean "Mostly natives and a few crazy whites"?


Alaska has a mostly white population
 
2013-08-20 12:59:58 PM

mbillips: I still wanna know how the state of Alaska gets the money off of a national resource like oil. Where's my damn check?

/Would prefer they invest my check to stabilize entitlement finances.


It comes from state royalties.  The Mine Acts as currently codified does not require federal royalties, though there are other permits/fees associated with mines that operate on public lands.  There have been some attempts to change this, but nothing has passed yet.
 
2013-08-20 01:06:18 PM
Alaska is a defensive, military outpost and a resource reserve. Nothing more.
 
2013-08-20 01:09:54 PM

Churchill2004: Corvus:

You mean the old America that was socialist?

Not related to the oil fund, but what the hell's up with her glasses in that pic? They're not symmetrical- one side is half-framed, the other full-framed. I've never seen glasses like that, and I've bought a new pair of glasses every year or two since I was in 1st grade. They look like someone smacked her upside the head and broke them.


OK, you wear glasses, go do an experiment: go look at yourself in a mirror.

I don't want to use the wrong technical term here, but check out how the shape of your face is distorted by the lens. The line from your forehead to jaw will look like it has a dent in it. The stronger your prescription, the more distortion there will be.

Now, look at every picture of Palin. There's never any of that- no break in the line. Her glasses aren't serving any purpose- they're strictly for show. They're a prop.
 
2013-08-20 01:11:05 PM

Sybarite: Alaska! Where you can't be too fat or too drunk. Where no one says things like "Let's see your high school equivalency certificate."


I did not see a lot of fat people up there, except the tourists, only stayed 2 weeks though around Anchorage
 
2013-08-20 01:12:07 PM
It's absolutely true. Everyone in Alaska is content to be snowed in for months at a time with no modern conveniences such as electricity, running water, or the Internet. They live off the fat of the land, hunting moose with black powder rifles and ice fishing. They bury their meat in the ground and smoke it that way. They go on long walks into the wilderness with only bags of rice and a knife to survive, and some of them never come back, and they simply nod at that and explain that "this is Alaska." They share their wives with strangers and when someone grows too ill to survive another winter, he does not complain or whimper about "universal health care;" no, he merely finds an ice floe and sits down upon it and faces west so that he can witness one last sunset, one last beacon of God's creation, before allowing himself to slip silently beneath the waves. Capitalism for an Alaskan consists of bartering bits of bone, wild nuts, and salmon for what necessities he cannot make on his own. They are like Canadians, in some ways, except of course Alaskans cherish freedom and liberty above all things, even life, while Canadians do not. For it is true that long ago God crafted a mold from which he fashioned the earliest pioneers, those rugged individuals who wrenched America from the vast and empty wilderness. When the job was done, God cast that mold aside, into a land where only the strongest and most able could survive. That land was Alaska, and the mold lies there still.

I love you, PocketNinja.  If you want to vacay to Alaska, I can recommend accommodations in Juneau, Fairbanks and Anchorage.  I'd like to think that my redneck cousins would put you and your family up for a few nights.  Watch out for the mooses, the bears and the horrid creeping things that are foxes, tho.  Go in the summer, not the winter.  Don't forget your bag of rice and knife :)
 
2013-08-20 01:17:01 PM
Since I was in Alaska the same week as Billo, I'll pass along my impressions of the place (the people and culture, not the scenery, which of course is magnificent), which don't necessarily align with Bill's:

--About half the population of the state lives in Anchorage, but it's still not a very large city, maybe around 300K people (spread out over a very large geographical area of city limits).  The people in Anchorage fancy the place to be something of a cosmoplitan urban area similar to, I dunno, Seattle.  It's not.  It reminds me more of a larger version of Eureka, California--a working seaport area that, while not large, is still by far the largest city for many, many miles in any direction (in the case of Anchorage, a couple thousand miles).  While the area it's in is scenic (like virtually all of Alaska), the town itself (i.e., the buildings and architecture) isn't particularly scenic.  But it does have lots of good places to eat, good places to stay, and the everyday commercial enterprises that are in any decent-sized town in the lower 48 but that generally don't exist elsewhere in Alaska outside of Anchorage (Costco, etc.).  It's home to the only freeway in the entire state of Alaska (about 25 miles worth), so it's definitely more urban and "crowded" than the rest of the state, though to an outside it still seems like a small town.

--Even though, as mentioned above, Anchorage is hardly a crowded metropolis, many of the Alaskan people outside of Anchorage talk shiat about it as if it is the worst, most crowded and oppressive kind of urban hellscape.  It's the same sort of comments one hears in rural California about how "They're tryin' to turn this place into L.A.!" except in Alaska you hear them say "If we did that, we would be just like Anchorage!"  In their minds, Anchorage and L.A. are basically the same kind of place--some of the locals even sarcastically refer to Anchorage as "Los Anchorage," as seen on this defaced road sign I snapped a pic of:

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Of course, as much as they profess to dislike what Anchorage represents, those close enough to go there do so regularly.  To go to Costco, for example.  People in Alaska sure seem to like Costco and worship the place like a religion, even more than people in the lower 48.  And you can kinda understand why, of course--when the nearest town's only general store sells no "fresh" meat other than a couple of frozen sirloin steaks (purchased from Costco on the store owner's most recent trip to Anchorage, most likely) stored in a residential style Kenmore freezer in the back of the store for $15 a pound, the fresh fruit and vegetable selection consists of one head of cabbage and two dried-up onions, and rest of the food selection consists of a few cans of Del Monte green beans, a few loaves of Wonder bread, a few bags of Fritos, and a couple of dozen similar products, going to Costco has got to seem like a trip through the Garden of Eden.

--The vast majority of people who live in Alaska were born elsewhere and moved there later--sometimes as kids along with their parents, but most often as adults.  For some reason it seemed that half the people I met who lived there had moved there from either Minnesota or Pennsylvania, along with a number of other places.  Some of them may leave in the winter and work/live in places such as Washington or Oregon for the season, but they all seem fiercely devoted to Alaska and swear they would never move anywhere else.  I can understand this.  Many of these people came for a visit years ago and fell in love with the place and never left.  I can also understand this--I didn't really want to leave either!

--There are plenty of rednecks in Alaska (as the existence of the Palin clan proves), but there is also a decent representation of groovy hippie leftist types.  The former outnumbers the latter, of course, and the former is more likely to vote, resulting in Alaska being a very red state politically.  Both groups, however, share a certain amount of common ground--they both tend to be of a certain libertarian bent, they both like the outdoors (and many of the same outdoor activities, including hunting and fishing), both like the fact that they can avoid sales and income taxes in Alaska by taxing oil production, and they both complain about being ripped off on health care expenses.  One thing that seems very different about much of the rest of America is that both groups generally seem to like and appreciate each other, and are respectful of either other's views while disagreeing with them.  They drink in the same bars (because there may be only one bar in town), their kids go to the same schools (because there may be only one school in the area), they work in the same industries or even at the same places, and they see each other all the time and know about how the other half actually lives and what they do.  So it's harder, I think, to rely on stereotypes and false narratives about the other side, because they know first-hand that some of those stereotypes and narratives don't actually apply to the people they personally know quite well.  So they may discuss politics in the local bar and jokingly dismiss the other's views with an "of course you would say that, because that's how you Palin-lovin' rednecks think" or "well, yeah, I figured an Obama-lovin' hippie like you would think that," and then buy the next round and talk about going moose hunting next month.  In that respect, Billo is right, it's more like "America used to be," before he and others on Fox and similar sources poisoned the well by vitriolically demonizing those who don't think they way they do.
 
2013-08-20 01:17:46 PM

vernonFL: "This is America the way it used to be"

No wifi and addicted to meth.


Yeah, isn't Alaska basically a cold Nevada? White trailer trash, no education, fascinating Native American culture, beautiful landscape, tons of meth?
 
2013-08-20 01:23:43 PM
Cyberluddite:

You seem to really dislike the place. Why did you visit a sparsely populated area full of rural folks and vast wilderness if you don't like sparsely populated areas full of rural folks and vast wilderness?
 
2013-08-20 01:23:47 PM

mbillips: The Lone Gunman: mediablitz: The America where everyone gets yearly checks from oil companies?

Bill O'Reilly loves socialism!!!

Is there a term for corporatized socialism?

Yep. It's called fascism. There's a lot more to fascism than that, of course, but that's how they handled their economy.


See also: Republican domestic policy.
 
2013-08-20 01:24:21 PM
"This is America the way it used to be"

And here I thought it IS still America. You can't explain that.
 
2013-08-20 01:28:04 PM

Frank N Stein: Cyberluddite:

You seem to really dislike the place. Why did you visit a sparsely populated area full of rural folks and vast wilderness if you don't like sparsely populated areas full of rural folks and vast wilderness?


If you think I "really disliked the place" from what I wrote, you need to read it again and/or work on reading comprehension.  Quite the contrary.  I really, really, really enjoyed it.  A lot.
 
2013-08-20 01:29:09 PM

Cyberluddite: Frank N Stein: Cyberluddite:

You seem to really dislike the place. Why did you visit a sparsely populated area full of rural folks and vast wilderness if you don't like sparsely populated areas full of rural folks and vast wilderness?

If you think I "really disliked the place" from what I wrote, you need to read it again and/or work on reading comprehension.  Quite the contrary.  I really, really, really enjoyed it.  A lot.


Ah ok. I was mistaken and read it on the run. Nevermind
 
2013-08-20 01:31:22 PM

Frank N Stein: Cyberluddite:

You seem to really dislike the place. Why did you visit a sparsely populated area full of rural folks and vast wilderness if you don't like sparsely populated areas full of rural folks and vast wilderness?


I didn't get that out of his post at all.  It sounded like he enjoyed the trip to me.

In Alaska right now, where I have been for the last 26 years working both urban and rural settings.  His observations were both well thought out and right on the money.
 
2013-08-20 01:37:51 PM

Barael's Blade: meth



the South and midwest
 
2013-08-20 01:44:27 PM

Cyberluddite: If you think I "really disliked the place" from what I wrote, you need to read it again and/or work on reading comprehension. Quite the contrary. I really, really, really enjoyed it. A lot.


Yeah, you seem to convey that you enjoyed the trip.  The rural area I grew up in down here in the states is a bit like that as well.
 
2013-08-20 01:45:47 PM

Corvus: HeadLever: Lionel Mandrake: There's always an excuse for red-state welfare.

You could always give it to the states if you don't want to pay for its management......

The do. much of it are for programs at are administered at the state level.



Not sure how much has changed in the past ten years, but here is a breakdown of what Fed money in Alaska was for in 2003.
http://www.iser.uaa.alaska.edu/Publications/FedSpendSum.pdf

Page 2 has a nice pie chart, but page 3 gives a more meaningful breakdown for purposes of this discussion.
If you do the math, about 38% goes to federal wages and purchases. The other 62% goes to SSI, local aid, or block grants.
So that's 62% "red-state welfare".
 
2013-08-20 01:49:47 PM
Bill-O

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2013-08-20 01:52:24 PM
Alaska isn't what America used to be. It's a microscope for what America currently is.

You have massive corporations buying the government and rewriting the tax code, with angry fundamentalist Christians supporting everything they do, as long as they can keep hating minorities.

Then you have environmental extremists trying to shut down all resource gathering, from mining to oil to hunting and fishing.

And in between, you have a lot of working-class people, rural and urban, just trying to keep their jobs and scratching their heads trying to make sense of the silly politicians.

The difference between Alaska and the America as a whole is that in Alaska, you know the names and faces of all the players, instead of them being faceless entities manipulating others in the shadows.
 
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