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(Anchorage Daily News)   Bill O'Reilly vacations in Alaska. And then has to ruin it all by trying to psychoanalyze everything. "This is America the way it used to be"   (adn.com) divider line 251
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2013-08-20 11:31:46 AM  

Corvus: Why shouldn't they be bootstrapy and be able to provide to their own populations by themselves?


They do as what is required by law.  It is not the state's fault that most of the landmass is owned by the Federal Goverment and the feds have to pay for that management.  It is not the state's fault that a high percentage of the population if Native American and Federal Goverment is required to provide assistence and aid to them.  It is not the stat's fault that there are a large amount of federal millitary bases in AK that the federal goverment is required to fund.

If you want less federal money to go to Alaska and have it go back to 'providing to thier own' that wouldn't really impact the state government all that much.
 
2013-08-20 11:32:29 AM  

Fireproof: I'm starting to realize how much of the conservative ideology is based on bad nostalgia.


All of it?
 
2013-08-20 11:32:31 AM  

HeadLever: Corvus: You mean the old America that was socialist?

Actaully, it was a bit more than that.  Here is a old, but excellent recap of the history of our (and Alaska's) mineral rights.


It's still sociism that people of the state is getting the history of it doesn't really matter.
 
2013-08-20 11:33:49 AM  

HeadLever: Corvus: So they depend on government handouts?

They depend?  No.  It is the federal governement's land and thier obligation to manage it.  The state gets no direct revenue for this and they shouldn't have to pay for its management.  Now if you wanted to give this land to the state for them to manage, that would be a different story.


So then it's not state spending if it's federal land. So you are lying then.
 
2013-08-20 11:34:15 AM  

Corvus: You seem like you want to pretend that Akaskas federal money has to do with programs that are not that big.


So having the federal goverment required to manage a land mass that is 150% the size of Texas (that is just the land that the federal goverment owns up there and not the entire state) is not very big?  Are you high?
 
2013-08-20 11:34:51 AM  

Pocket Ninja: It's absolutely true. Everyone in Alaska is content to be snowed in for months at a time with no modern conveniences such as electricity, running water, or the Internet. They live off the fat of the land, hunting moose with black powder rifles and ice fishing. They bury their meat in the ground and smoke it that way. They go on long walks into the wilderness with only bags of rice and a knife to survive, and some of them never come back, and they simply nod at that and explain that "this is Alaska." They share their wives with strangers and when someone grows too ill to survive another winter, he does not complain or whimper about "universal health care;" no, he merely finds an ice floe and sits down upon it and faces west so that he can witness one last sunset, one last beacon of God's creation, before allowing himself to slip silently beneath the waves. Capitalism for an Alaskan consists of bartering bits of bone, wild nuts, and salmon for what necessities he cannot make on his own. They are like Canadians, in some ways, except of course Alaskans cherish freedom and liberty above all things, even life, while Canadians do not. For it is true that long ago God crafted a mold from which he fashioned the earliest pioneers, those rugged individuals who wrenched America from the vast and empty wilderness. When the job was done, God cast that mold aside, into a land where only the strongest and most able could survive. That land was Alaska, and the mold lies there still.


Best one ever.
 
2013-08-20 11:35:49 AM  

Pocket Ninja: It's absolutely true. Everyone in Alaska is content to be snowed in for months at a time with no modern conveniences such as electricity, running water, or the Internet. They live off the fat of the land, hunting moose with black powder rifles and ice fishing. They bury their meat in the ground and smoke it that way. They go on long walks into the wilderness with only bags of rice and a knife to survive, and some of them never come back, and they simply nod at that and explain that "this is Alaska." They share their wives with strangers and when someone grows too ill to survive another winter, he does not complain or whimper about "universal health care;" no, he merely finds an ice floe and sits down upon it and faces west so that he can witness one last sunset, one last beacon of God's creation, before allowing himself to slip silently beneath the waves. Capitalism for an Alaskan consists of bartering bits of bone, wild nuts, and salmon for what necessities he cannot make on his own. They are like Canadians, in some ways, except of course Alaskans cherish freedom and liberty above all things, even life, while Canadians do not. For it is true that long ago God crafted a mold from which he fashioned the earliest pioneers, those rugged individuals who wrenched America from the vast and empty wilderness. When the job was done, God cast that mold aside, into a land where only the strongest and most able could survive. That land was Alaska, and the mold lies there still.


You, sir, are welcome to my wife. She has all her teeth and can cook a mean fish.
 
2013-08-20 11:38:09 AM  

Corvus: Oh I see I guess your admitting federal spending on things like welfare, education and medicade really doesn't factor much to federal money being spent.


Strawman argument penatlty.  10 yards and loss of down.

Of course it counts.  If you want states to manage this themselves, that would likely be fine by many of them, so long as you reduce their federal taxes accordintly.  You also need to realize that the federal goverment is bound by treaty with many Native American tribes up there for these obligations, so you will need to address these seperately from the state.
 
2013-08-20 11:39:05 AM  

Jackson Herring: sigdiamond2000: Somehow, I doubt the looks of the Best Buy parking lot on the day PFD checks come out would fit neatly into O'Reilly's character profile of Joe Alaska.

PFD doesn't count as welfare though because the people of Alaska are more...uhh...umm...

Can someone dog whistle this one out for me?

Rural


Untan?
 
2013-08-20 11:40:33 AM  

Corvus: So then it's not state spending if it's federal land. So you are lying then.


Another strawman.  I never said it was state spending.  It is federal land so the federal governement is obligated to pay for its managment.
 
2013-08-20 11:41:23 AM  

Frank N Stein: elffster:

Eh. A whole book of his fark posts? He's pretty formulaic. He takes a position, writes a narrative, exaggerates, throws in a strawman or two and calls it a day.
I know I'll be open to criticism, especially since I usually disagree with the political point he's trying to make, but his essays (for lack of a better word) are pretty much all the same shiat. There's also the "forum personality" thing that people don that I absolutely hate, but that's a whole different subject

I will give him some point though, because every once in a while someone who doesn't know his shtick will claim he's a troll or something


6/10 you might get some bites
 
2013-08-20 11:41:58 AM  

HeadLever: Corvus: Oh I see I guess your admitting federal spending on things like welfare, education and medicade really doesn't factor much to federal money being spent.

Strawman argument penatlty.  10 yards and loss of down.

Of course it counts.  If you want states to manage this themselves, that would likely be fine by many of them, so long as you reduce their federal taxes accordintly.  You also need to realize that the federal goverment is bound by treaty with many Native American tribes up there for these obligations, so you will need to address these seperately from the state.


Well then why then when I brought it up early you said I was only allowed to talk about parks and taking care of the native Americans? Which is it?
 
2013-08-20 11:42:08 AM  

Pocket Ninja: That land was Alaska, and the mold lies there still.


Like the fields and mountains of Alaska that was a thing of wonder and beauty
 
2013-08-20 11:42:46 AM  

d23: Why doesn't he go to somalia?  That's the REAL land before the evil gubbmint.


Antarctica has no government as well.
 
2013-08-20 11:43:21 AM  
Anyone else *REALLY happy Pocket Ninja is back?

i913.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-20 11:44:04 AM  

Corvus: It's still sociism that people of the state is getting the history of it doesn't really matter


In a certain way, yes as the royalties do go to the public good.  This does make sense as mininging and resource extraction does have an a  external cost, even with tight envioronmental regulations.  However, the leasee is still the primary benificiary of the wealth, which would not fly in a socialist utopia.
 
2013-08-20 11:45:13 AM  

Corvus: Well then why then when I brought it up early you said I was only allowed to talk about parks and taking care of the native Americans?


Where?
 
2013-08-20 11:45:50 AM  

HeadLever: Corvus: So then it's not state spending if it's federal land. So you are lying then.

Another strawman.  I never said it was state spending.  It is federal land so the federal governement is obligated to pay for its managment.


Sorry then I thought that's what we were talking about.

So you have no problem with other federal money being spent in other states like for infrastructure, national parks, and other things along those lines? Or is it just for Alaska?
 
2013-08-20 11:47:02 AM  

HeadLever: Corvus: Well then why then when I brought it up early you said I was only allowed to talk about parks and taking care of the native Americans?

Where?


right here:

HeadLever: Corvus: They do. much of it are for programs that are administered at the state level.

Not sure what you are talking about here, Corvus.  What programs are administed at the state level for Forest Service, Park Service and BLM lands?  These lands are exclusivly administered by the US Goverment, not the state.

/pretty sure I am not mistaken here.

 
2013-08-20 11:48:32 AM  

HeadLever: Corvus: It's still sociism that people of the state is getting the history of it doesn't really matter

In a certain way, yes as the royalties do go to the public good.  This does make sense as mininging and resource extraction does have an a  external cost, even with tight envioronmental regulations.  However, the leasee is still the primary benificiary of the wealth, which would not fly in a socialist utopia.


Ok so you support socialism as long as it's not the a "socialist utopia" kind? I don't think there is such a thing so you must support the same levels of socialism I do right?
 
2013-08-20 11:48:51 AM  
I had to live on the Kenai Peninsula for 9th grade.

There might be somewhere worse in the world than Alaska, but in 32 years of bouncing around the globe travelling, I have yet to find it.
 
2013-08-20 11:49:01 AM  
i wonder if PocketNinja thinks people who kiss his ass are massive losers, or loves it so much he has a little secret feel around his pants each time
 
2013-08-20 11:51:39 AM  

Corvus: So you have no problem with other federal money being spent in other states like for infrastructure, national parks, and other things along those lines? Or is it just for Alaska?


I have no issue with the federal goverment spending money that it is obligated to spend in these states (things like public land management, military bases, assistence to Native Americans per treaty obligations).  My beef is with those that would conflate this spending with welfare to the state.  When you get into things like infrastructure, education, and public assistence, then that argument of state aid by the federal goverment does have some merit.
 
2013-08-20 11:53:23 AM  

Corvus: right here:


Bzzt - Nowhere in that argument did I say that you were only allowed to talk about these thing.
 
2013-08-20 11:54:38 AM  

HeadLever: Corvus: So you have no problem with other federal money being spent in other states like for infrastructure, national parks, and other things along those lines? Or is it just for Alaska?

I have no issue with the federal goverment spending money that it is obligated to spend in these states (things like public land management, military bases, assistence to Native Americans per treaty obligations).  My beef is with those that would conflate this spending with welfare to the state.  When you get into things like infrastructure, education, and public assistence, then that argument of state aid by the federal goverment does have some merit.


So if I have a INTERSTATE that is used so that one state can ship their products to another state that is a STATE expense but if I have a park in my OWN state that only people of my state can go to, it's federal money and not a hand out.

Really?
 
2013-08-20 11:55:17 AM  

HeadLever: Corvus: right here:

Bzzt - Nowhere in that argument did I say that you were only allowed to talk about these thing.


So then why did you refuse to answer my point then? How about those programs?
 
2013-08-20 11:55:50 AM  

Lady J: i wonder if PocketNinja thinks people who kiss his ass are massive losers, or loves it so much he has a little secret feel around his pants each time


There's nothing wrong with giving credit where credit is due.  BTW, how many threads have you been in where you're praise for something you've said as much as P.N.?  None, oh well then by all means, please continue to bash everyone that is patting P.N. on the back for something well deserved.
 
2013-08-20 11:55:52 AM  

HeadLever: Corvus: right here:

Bzzt - Nowhere in that argument did I say that you were only allowed to talk about these thing.


If you considered that valid then why didn't you actually answer my question?
 
2013-08-20 11:56:06 AM  

Corvus: Ok so you support socialism as long as it's not the a "socialist utopia" kind?


Limited socalism as in public sector?  Sure.  I support spending on some things that supports the public good from public taxes/royalties.  I do not support the socialist notion that all private sector/capitalist ideals are bad and shouldn't be a part of socieity.
 
2013-08-20 11:57:17 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: I prefer my America without the run down trailer parks, disenfranchised native population and meth heads?


What part of American is that?
 
2013-08-20 11:57:42 AM  

HeadLever: Corvus: So you have no problem with other federal money being spent in other states like for infrastructure, national parks, and other things along those lines? Or is it just for Alaska?

I have no issue with the federal goverment spending money that it is obligated to spend in these states (things like public land management, military bases, assistence to Native Americans per treaty obligations).  My beef is with those that would conflate this spending with welfare to the state.  When you get into things like infrastructure, education, and public assistence, then that argument of state aid by the federal goverment does have some merit.


I see so rural things, where Republicans live, federal handouts are boot strappy. But when you live in places that have things like federal interstates, or national borders to deal with it's "State welfare".

Got it!
 
2013-08-20 11:58:52 AM  
Corvus:
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You mean the old America that was socialist?

Not related to the oil fund, but what the hell's up with her glasses in that pic? They're not symmetrical- one side is half-framed, the other full-framed. I've never seen glasses like that, and I've bought a new pair of glasses every year or two since I was in 1st grade. They look like someone smacked her upside the head and broke them.
 
2013-08-20 11:58:58 AM  

HeadLever: Corvus: Ok so you support socialism as long as it's not the a "socialist utopia" kind?

Limited socalism as in public sector?  Sure.  I support spending on some things that supports the public good from public taxes/royalties.  I do not support the socialist notion that all private sector/capitalist ideals are bad and shouldn't be a part of socieity.


Talk about strawman. Do you really think any mainstream politician does? You know almost no one actually wants that right?
 
2013-08-20 11:59:00 AM  

MadMike5200: Lady J: i wonder if PocketNinja thinks people who kiss his ass are massive losers, or loves it so much he has a little secret feel around his pants each time

There's nothing wrong with giving credit where credit is due.  BTW, how many threads have you been in where you're praise for something you've said as much as P.N.?  None, oh well then by all means, please continue to bash everyone that is patting P.N. on the back for something well deserved.


I did no such thing! it is ass kissing, but he is funny

anyway im sure they can stand up for themselves
 
2013-08-20 12:00:21 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: I understand Alaskans are pretty busy, fighting grizzly bears and what-not. But would it kill them to send a thank you letter every once in a while for all the federal aid we give? Even a text message would do.


Thanks.

imageshack.us
 
2013-08-20 12:01:07 PM  

Corvus: So if I have a INTERSTATE that is used so that one state can ship their products to another state that is a STATE expense but if I have a park in my

OWN state that only people of my state can go to  , it's federal money and not a hand out.

That is quite a hypothetical there.  Interstate system is another primary federal obligation.  State higways are managed by the state. County roads are managed by the county, and on down the line.

National Parks are never limited to "only people of my state can go to"?

Not sure where you get your information on these topics but they are way off base.  I'll bet that 80% of all traffic that enters Yellowstone is out-of-state.  In fact, the joke around here is that Yellowstone is where the locals go to experience traffic jams, road rage, and crowded vistas.
 
2013-08-20 12:01:18 PM  
Corvus:

What exactly is your point?
 
2013-08-20 12:02:32 PM  

HeadLever: When you get into things like infrastructure, education, and public assistence, then that argument of state aid by the federal goverment does have some merit.


Most of that money is going towards those things in Alaska.  Due to the size, geography, and remoteness of population infrastructure costs more than it does in other states.
 
2013-08-20 12:02:35 PM  

Corvus: So then why did you refuse to answer my point then? How about those programs?


did you read my response here: 2013-08-20 11:38:09 AM ?
 
2013-08-20 12:07:26 PM  
Including spousal abuse.
 
2013-08-20 12:07:43 PM  

Corvus: Do you really think any mainstream politician does? You know almost no one actually wants that right?


You were not talking about mainstream politicians. You were talking about socialism.  Two different discussions, sparky.  Thought you are correct that most politicans dont want that.  Unless you consider Maxine Waters as mainstream.
 
2013-08-20 12:08:49 PM  

HeadLever: Corvus: Oh I see I guess your admitting federal spending on things like welfare, education and medicade really doesn't factor much to federal money being spent.

Strawman argument penatlty.  10 yards and loss of down.

Of course it counts.  If you want states to manage this themselves, that would likely be fine by many of them, so long as you reduce their federal taxes accordintly.  You also need to realize that the federal goverment is bound by treaty with many Native American tribes up there for these obligations, so you will need to address these seperately from the state.


Is this the America O'Reilly refers to? THAT'S what he longs for a return to?
 
2013-08-20 12:09:21 PM  
So .. America use to be infested with poodle sized mosquito, unrelenting cold and whores.

Gotcha
 
2013-08-20 12:10:26 PM  
A few travelogue tips on visiting Alaska.

1)  Anchorage is entirely civilized, clean and pretty.  There are Victorian and modern bed and breakfasts near the center of the city, as well as fine hotels, but you have to book far ahead of time.  Lots of green everything and the city has a flower theme in summer.  Golden and bald eagles instead of pigeons.

2)  The first two weeks of July are the best time to visit, because temperatures in Anchorage are in the high 60's to low 70's, by then the mosquitoes are gone, and there is about 20 hours of sunlight a day, so you never want to sleep and want to walk everywhere.

3)  The state railroad is classic 1940s style, comfortable with lots of leg room, which is a great way to travel to Seward, because it is insanely beautiful.  Seward is gorgeous, but has a more classical Alaskan look, and is where you can catch a 100-ton boat to see the Denali National Park.

4)  As peaceful and calm as the land is, the water is right at the border of fisherman's heaven and hell.  It is full of giant fish, but can turn from smooth as glass to 8-10' swells in minutes.  There are warnings everywhere that the glacial silt beaches are deadly, and they are not kidding.

5)  In the countryside, there are critters everywhere, including bear, moose, reindeer, wolves, you name it.  There are also little creeks everywhere, and many people commute with light aircraft.

6)  Oddly enough, the prices there are pretty comparable for most things, though there are no convenience stores and few fast food restaurants.  Direct flights to many US cities.
 
2013-08-20 12:10:34 PM  

HeadLever: You were not talking about mainstream politicians. You were talking about socialism.  Two different discussions, sparky.


Actually its dozens of different discussions, socialism encompasses a wide range of political theories, many of which do not consider all private sector ideals bad as you seemed to imply they all did before.

Theres a lot more to 'socialism' than marxism.
 
2013-08-20 12:10:40 PM  

Fart_Machine: Most of that money is going towards those things in Alaska. Due to the size, geography, and remoteness of population infrastructure costs more than it does in other states.


Partially.  Don't forget that some of this overlaps.  For instance US highways being built on US Government lands, would be somewhat of an overlap on this.
 
2013-08-20 12:14:06 PM  
Shut up, you cock
 
2013-08-20 12:14:46 PM  

lilplatinum: HeadLever: You were not talking about mainstream politicians. You were talking about socialism.  Two different discussions, sparky.

Actually its dozens of different discussions, socialism encompasses a wide range of political theories, many of which do not consider all private sector ideals bad as you seemed to imply they all did before.

Theres a lot more to 'socialism' than marxism.


"If that is Marxism, then I am not a Marxist".
 
2013-08-20 12:15:53 PM  

lilplatinum: Theres a lot more to 'socialism' than marxism.


True, but the generalized political idea behind socialism is  the 'social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources'

I agree that the public does need a stake in these resources, however, I don't agree that it needs to be public ownership.
 
2013-08-20 12:19:08 PM  
Can't explain this either:
www.tide-forecast.com
 
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