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(AZCentral)   It's always funny when sheriff deputies use trickery to try and lure smugglers out of their hiding places in the desert but only end up flushing out civilians who are also looking for smugglers. And also both sides have guns   (azcentral.com) divider line 103
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2013-08-20 08:15:50 AM
And what if the Minutemen had actually found smugglers? Hold them at gunpoint until the cops arrived?
 
2013-08-20 08:28:18 AM
You'd think those cantaloupe sized calves would make smugglers easy to spot.
 
2013-08-20 08:30:18 AM

AirForceVet: And what if the Minutemen had actually found smugglers? Hold them at gunpoint until the cops arrived?


I think they usually just sodomize their catches.
 
2013-08-20 08:32:59 AM

clancifer: I think they usually just sodomize their catches.


If they have pretty mouths, right?

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2013-08-20 09:12:50 AM
BWHAHAHA!
 
2013-08-20 09:13:45 AM
If he'd been black, this would have ended differently.
 
2013-08-20 09:13:50 AM
Richard Malley told deputies he and other members of a "Minuteman militia group" were in the desert area near Gila Bend also looking for smugglers

Guys, you remember that scene in First Blood where the National Guard guys have Rambo surrounded and are unloading 20+ AR-15s at him at which point he returns a couple of quick bursts at them and they collectively shiat their pants?  Which side do you fancy yourselves?  Here's a hint - you're not Rambo.  And the smugglers are not going to fire warning shots at you.
 
2013-08-20 09:18:29 AM

AirForceVet: And what if the Minutemen had actually found smugglers? Hold them at gunpoint until the cops arrived?


I think the plan is to kill them all, including children to take their drug money and use it to fund further minutemen activities.

http://www.alternet.org/story/156128/how_the_brutal_murders_of_a_lit tl e_girl_and_her_father_doomed_the_xenophobic_minuteman_movement

Note that the lack of any drugs will not deter them from killing.
 
2013-08-20 09:18:31 AM

UberDave: Guys, you remember that scene in First Blood where the National Guard guys have Rambo surrounded and are unloading 20+ AR-15s at him at which point he returns a couple of quick bursts at them and they collectively shiat their pants? Which side do you fancy yourselves? Here's a hint - you're not Rambo. And the smugglers are not going to fire warning shots at you.


I would think it would be bad for business for illegal Mexican smugglers to instigate firefights with legally-bearing natives armed with AR-15s. That sort of thing tends to generate a lot of law enforcement activity in a hurry.
 
2013-08-20 09:19:36 AM
Approaching what you think are Mexican drug smugglers in the desert at night with guns drawn is tremendously stupid.
 
2013-08-20 09:20:46 AM

red_dragon60: Approaching what you think are Mexican drug smugglers in the desert at night with guns drawn is tremendously stupid.


... wait. Do the Mexicans have drawn guns, or the approachers?
 
2013-08-20 09:23:38 AM
Mexican standoff with no Mexicans involved, eh.

Wonder how long till one of these dumb ass crackers kills a cop like this.
 
2013-08-20 09:24:23 AM

HotWingConspiracy: AirForceVet: And what if the Minutemen had actually found smugglers? Hold them at gunpoint until the cops arrived?

I think the plan is to kill them all, including children to take their drug money and use it to fund further minutemen activities.

http://www.alternet.org/story/156128/how_the_brutal_murders_of_a_lit tl e_girl_and_her_father_doomed_the_xenophobic_minuteman_movement

Note that the lack of any drugs will not deter them from killing.


FTA -- "Junior Flores was indeed involved in the pot-smuggling business, but he was a small-time operator known to keep those dealings well away from his home. "

Also, who the hell leaves behind an AK-47 in the US? Or is this the typical journalistic twatwaffledom regarding weapon ID?
 
2013-08-20 09:24:37 AM
It makes me a bad person wishing the minutemen were shot dead by the police.... and I don't care
 
2013-08-20 09:24:50 AM

This text is now purple: UberDave: Guys, you remember that scene in First Blood where the National Guard guys have Rambo surrounded and are unloading 20+ AR-15s at him at which point he returns a couple of quick bursts at them and they collectively shiat their pants? Which side do you fancy yourselves? Here's a hint - you're not Rambo. And the smugglers are not going to fire warning shots at you.

I would think it would be bad for business for illegal Mexican smugglers to instigate firefights with legally-bearing natives armed with AR-15s. That sort of thing tends to generate a lot of law enforcement activity in a hurry.


Yeah. I'm sure they believe that surrendering to some fat-ass civilian in a stained white tee and shiat-kicker boots would be the best thing for business.
 
2013-08-20 09:25:19 AM
So, these 'Minutemen'...bloodthirsty sociopaths, or proud sacrificing patriots? Discuss.

/oh wait, you already are
//nevermind
 
2013-08-20 09:25:34 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Mexican standoff with no Mexicans involved, eh.

Wonder how long till one of these dumb ass crackers kills a cop like this.


Meh..no big loss.

If the government would actually secure the borders, there would be no minutemen to begin with.
 
2013-08-20 09:26:14 AM
I say we just let the minutemen handle it next time
 
2013-08-20 09:27:40 AM
So according to the article the deputy was attempting to engage in drug trade using well known signalling techniques and this guy is the asshole for trying to catch a smuggler?

Lock the deputy up.
 
2013-08-20 09:27:45 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I say we just let the minutemen handle it next time


Well...being as "the authorities" are doing such a great job at it....
 
2013-08-20 09:27:51 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Mexican standoff with no Mexicans involved, eh.

Wonder how long till one of these dumb ass crackers kills a cop like this.


That's just a standoff. A mexican standoff involves 3+ people.
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A polish standoff is when you hold the gun to your own head.
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In all seriousness, that is occasionally effective as a self-hostage technique to hold back police.
 
2013-08-20 09:29:25 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: This text is now purple: UberDave: Guys, you remember that scene in First Blood where the National Guard guys have Rambo surrounded and are unloading 20+ AR-15s at him at which point he returns a couple of quick bursts at them and they collectively shiat their pants? Which side do you fancy yourselves? Here's a hint - you're not Rambo. And the smugglers are not going to fire warning shots at you.

I would think it would be bad for business for illegal Mexican smugglers to instigate firefights with legally-bearing natives armed with AR-15s. That sort of thing tends to generate a lot of law enforcement activity in a hurry.

Yeah. I'm sure they believe that surrendering to some fat-ass civilian in a stained white tee and shiat-kicker boots would be the best thing for business.


Surrender has nothing to do with it. It's incentive to change locations to some area with a lower barrier to entry than the one with bloodthirsty locals lying in ambush with tactical rifles.
 
2013-08-20 09:29:45 AM
This is a win-win situation. Sheriff Joe vs. The Minutemen. The only thing I find as delicious, is all the butthurt 'patriots' and the cop-fellators battling it out on the Facebook comments at the end of the article have all chosen avatars of guns and rifles. Bwahahahaha.

In Florida once you are arrested on felony charges, you lose your right to possess firearms and your right to vote. One day the patriots praise and vote for Joe because of his his hard-handed tough stance on crime. The next day they are angered that Joe and one of his deputies have failed to realize that both sides are fighting a common brown enemy. That's a costly rifle for a brave patriot to lose. Won't somebody think of the rifles.
 
2013-08-20 09:29:50 AM

AirForceVet: clancifer: I think they usually just sodomize their catches.

If they have pretty mouths, right?


Reeeeal purty.
 
2013-08-20 09:33:00 AM
Not seeing a crime here.  The officers just don't like other people trying to get in on their authoritay thing.
 
2013-08-20 09:33:24 AM

This text is now purple: HotWingConspiracy: AirForceVet: And what if the Minutemen had actually found smugglers? Hold them at gunpoint until the cops arrived?

I think the plan is to kill them all, including children to take their drug money and use it to fund further minutemen activities.

http://www.alternet.org/story/156128/how_the_brutal_murders_of_a_lit tl e_girl_and_her_father_doomed_the_xenophobic_minuteman_movement

Note that the lack of any drugs will not deter them from killing.

FTA -- "Junior Flores was indeed involved in the pot-smuggling business, but he was a small-time operator known to keep those dealings well away from his home. "


Right, so there were no drugs there.
 
2013-08-20 09:34:50 AM

Dahnkster: This is a win-win situation. Sheriff Joe vs. The Minutemen. The only thing I find as delicious, is all the butthurt 'patriots' and the cop-fellators battling it out on the Facebook comments at the end of the article have all chosen avatars of guns and rifles. Bwahahahaha.

In Florida once you are arrested on felony charges, you lose your right to possess firearms and your right to vote. One day the patriots praise and vote for Joe because of his his hard-handed tough stance on crime. The next day they are angered that Joe and one of his deputies have failed to realize that both sides are fighting a common brown enemy. That's a costly rifle for a brave patriot to lose. Won't somebody think of the rifles.


Thats why you use scoped deer rifles.

Super shadow winchester model 70 in 270wsm or 7mm from 500+meters...outside the effective range of AR pattern rifles and AK's.

Sniping would inflict more fear anyhow...the smugglers would be in constant fear of catching a high-powered rifle round at any moment.

You dont need cleetus and assault rifles to convince the smugglers to go somewhere else.
 
2013-08-20 09:36:14 AM

Big_Fat_Liar: Not seeing a crime here.  The officers just don't like other people trying to get in on their authoritay thing.


This.

Like the cops are the only people in this country invested in keeping border-jumping drug runners out...
 
2013-08-20 09:38:07 AM

Big_Fat_Liar: Not seeing a crime here.  The officers just don't like other people trying to get in on their authoritay thing.


There has been two court rulings so far that I know of that state that law enforcement is not there to protect anybody.

One was Goncalves v Castle Rock(?)

And the second is a recent NY ruling where a bunch of cops were hanging out watching some guy get stabbed and didn't try to arrest or subdue or shoot the guy doing the stabbing.
 
2013-08-20 09:39:00 AM
Couldn't have happened to a better person.
 
2013-08-20 09:40:16 AM

Dahnkster: In Florida once you are arrested on felony charges, you lose your right to possess firearms and your right to vote.


Even Florida, the most stringent state in the Union, requires a conviction for disenfranchisement.
 
2013-08-20 09:43:27 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Big_Fat_Liar: Not seeing a crime here.  The officers just don't like other people trying to get in on their authoritay thing.

This.

Like the cops are the only people in this country invested in keeping border-jumping drug runners out...


They're the only people who should legally be pointing guns at other human beings. They have been trained (we hope) and there is a process that they must go through (most times) when they shoot or kill a person. You want to help with border security? Get off your fat ass, go to the acadamy and EARN the right to do it. Lazy pieces of shiat always talk about merits and earning their keep and they want to be able to do what cops do without putting in the work.
 
2013-08-20 09:46:26 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: The more you eat the more you fart: Big_Fat_Liar: Not seeing a crime here.  The officers just don't like other people trying to get in on their authoritay thing.

This.

Like the cops are the only people in this country invested in keeping border-jumping drug runners out...

They're the only people who should legally be pointing guns at other human beings. They have been trained (we hope) and there is a process that they must go through (most times) when they shoot or kill a person. You want to help with border security? Get off your fat ass, go to the acadamy and EARN the right to do it. Lazy pieces of shiat always talk about merits and earning their keep and they want to be able to do what cops do without putting in the work.


Do you wait for the police to clean their boots before you start licking or do you just dive in?
 
2013-08-20 09:46:43 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: The more you eat the more you fart: Big_Fat_Liar: Not seeing a crime here.  The officers just don't like other people trying to get in on their authoritay thing.

This.

Like the cops are the only people in this country invested in keeping border-jumping drug runners out...

They're the only people who should legally be pointing guns at other human beings. They have been trained (we hope) and there is a process that they must go through (most times) when they shoot or kill a person. You want to help with border security? Get off your fat ass, go to the acadamy and EARN the right to do it. Lazy pieces of shiat always talk about merits and earning their keep and they want to be able to do what cops do without putting in the work.


Lol!!!!


Wait...you ARE kidding right?
 
2013-08-20 09:47:07 AM
I'm an avid deer hunter with a couple nice rifles with decent scope set-ups. I'm a pretty good shot and have taken my fair share of bucks. That being said, I would NEVER consider pretending I'm some sort of loyal patriot that needs to fire on smugglers or most humans in general. This guy belongs in jail. I do not live in a la-la land that believes our southern US-Mexico borders should be wide-open. I could even see myself supporting increased border patrols using federal troops.

You know what else would convince smugglers to go somewhere else? A smarter drug policy than our current 'War on Drugs'. We've tried things the wrong way for decades, I propose we try something else.
 
2013-08-20 09:48:54 AM
This is why I don't like the idea of civilians pretending to be cops. You are not a cop. What you are is more likely to get yourself or someone else killed. If you're lucky, you'll just fark up some real cop's attempt to do his job.

Go home.
 
2013-08-20 09:49:51 AM
"The deputies were in uniform with placards that read "sheriff" when they encountered Malley."

Does anyone know if Malley can read?
 
2013-08-20 09:49:54 AM

supayoda: This is why I don't like the idea of civilians pretending to be cops. You are not a cop. What you are is more likely to get yourself or someone else killed. If you're lucky, you'll just fark up some real cop's attempt to do his job.

Go home.


Um..cops are civilians.
 
2013-08-20 09:50:57 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Mexican standoff with no Mexicans involved, eh.

Wonder how long till one of these dumb ass crackers kills a cop like this.


Where a Mexican standoff may occur...

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2013-08-20 09:54:59 AM
Richard Malley told deputies he and other members of a "Minuteman militia group" were in the desert area near Gila Bend also looking for smugglers, according to court documents.

Shopping for free weed with a self appointed license to kill.
 
2013-08-20 09:57:22 AM
DROxINxTHExWIND:

Like the cops are the only people in this country invested in keeping border-jumping drug runners out...

They're the only people who should legally be pointing guns at other human beings. They have been trained (we hope) and there is a process that they must go through (most times) when they shoot or kill a person. You want to help with border security? Get off your fat ass, go to the acadamy and EARN the right to do it. Lazy pieces of shiat always talk about merits and earning their keep and they want to be able to do what cops do without putting in the work.
THIS

And also THIS
I'm an avid deer hunter with a couple nice rifles with decent scope set-ups. I'm a pretty good shot and have taken my fair share of bucks. That being said, I would NEVER consider pretending I'm some sort of loyal patriot that needs to fire on smugglers or most humans in general. This guy belongs in jail. I do not live in a la-la land that believes our southern US-Mexico borders should be wide-open. I could even see myself supporting increased border patrols using federal troops.

You know what else would convince smugglers to go somewhere else? A smarter drug policy than our current 'War on Drugs'. We've tried things the wrong way for decades, I propose we try something else.These twats just want to run around playing GI Joe and hoping to God they get to shoot someone....Sounds like that fat guy in Florida.
 
2013-08-20 09:58:56 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: The more you eat the more you fart: Big_Fat_Liar: Not seeing a crime here.  The officers just don't like other people trying to get in on their authoritay thing.

This.

Like the cops are the only people in this country invested in keeping border-jumping drug runners out...

They're the only people who should legally be pointing guns at other human beings. They have been trained (we hope) and there is a process that they must go through (most times) when they shoot or kill a person. You want to help with border security? Get off your fat ass, go to the acadamy and EARN the right to do it. Lazy pieces of shiat always talk about merits and earning their keep and they want to be able to do what cops do without putting in the work.


I'm not high right now, so I can't relate to what you're saying.
 
2013-08-20 10:02:40 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: supayoda: This is why I don't like the idea of civilians pretending to be cops. You are not a cop. What you are is more likely to get yourself or someone else killed. If you're lucky, you'll just fark up some real cop's attempt to do his job.

Go home.

Um..cops are civilians.


Would it be clearer if I instead referred to them as non-cops? In either case, the point stands.
 
2013-08-20 10:03:50 AM

This text is now purple: UberDave: Guys, you remember that scene in First Blood where the National Guard guys have Rambo surrounded and are unloading 20+ AR-15s at him at which point he returns a couple of quick bursts at them and they collectively shiat their pants? Which side do you fancy yourselves? Here's a hint - you're not Rambo. And the smugglers are not going to fire warning shots at you.

I would think it would be bad for business for illegal Mexican smugglers to instigate firefights with legally-bearing natives armed with AR-15s. That sort of thing tends to generate a lot of law enforcement activity in a hurry.


That wasn't my point but I don't think the smugglers are going to be instigating anything.  They're going to be "smuggling" or whatever they do and if some redneck draws down on them and they are armed, what do you think they (the smugglers) are going to do?  If the militia guys want to sit, neighborhood watch style, and call in trained law enforcement, then more power to them.  But taking it upon yourself to go seeking out and confronting bad guys is an exceedingly bad idea.
 
2013-08-20 10:04:56 AM
So.. two parties meet. Both are armed. Both are engaged in lawful activities but both also have reasonable suspicion of unlawful activities in area and previous false-flag work by the unlawful third party. Only one of the first and second parties is LEO.

How exactly do you expect this to play out that isn't creating a protected class/two law system out of the LEO? Believe it or not you can take your rifle out into the desert and within certain limitations play he-man. The fact that they weren't charged tends to indicate that.. they were lawful. Civilian arrest is still a thing  so even if the followed through there was no provable illegal intent there..

So here's the nut-cracker. If first party pulls a weapon on a openly-armed second party with reasonable suspicion that the second party is involved in illegal activity.. that is aggravated assault? If the law applies the same to everyone it doesn't matter which party is the LEO.. it means every time an LEO pulls down on someone during a traffic stop is aggravated assault. LEO's rarely seem to get charged for such though.

So which is it? Are we a nation of two laws and son, you ain't good enough? Or is the charge BS? You don't get it both ways without creating personages of elevated rights. Not being a nation of two-laws is something that goes back to the nation's founding; and the magna carta before that. It pretty much is the cornerstone of modern government.
 
2013-08-20 10:06:35 AM

Big_Fat_Liar: DROxINxTHExWIND: The more you eat the more you fart: Big_Fat_Liar: Not seeing a crime here.  The officers just don't like other people trying to get in on their authoritay thing.

This.

Like the cops are the only people in this country invested in keeping border-jumping drug runners out...

They're the only people who should legally be pointing guns at other human beings. They have been trained (we hope) and there is a process that they must go through (most times) when they shoot or kill a person. You want to help with border security? Get off your fat ass, go to the acadamy and EARN the right to do it. Lazy pieces of shiat always talk about merits and earning their keep and they want to be able to do what cops do without putting in the work.

I'm not high right now, so I can't relate to what you're saying.



I understand. Its still a little early for meth.

/But it's 5 o'clock somewhere
 
2013-08-20 10:08:27 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: supayoda: This is why I don't like the idea of civilians pretending to be cops. You are not a cop. What you are is more likely to get yourself or someone else killed. If you're lucky, you'll just fark up some real cop's attempt to do his job.

Go home.

Um..cops are civilians.


Sorry. I did also mean to include the following. When I used the term "civilians" I was using the first definition of the word:

ci·vil·ian  [si-vil-yuhn]  noun
1. a person who is not on active duty with a military, naval, police, or fire fighting organization.

But again... I know some people tend to disagree with that definition, so if it's easier to understand, we'll go with non-cops trying to be cops.
 
2013-08-20 10:16:31 AM
These assholes don't care about guns or drugs or smuggling, they just really want to shoot somebody.
 
2013-08-20 10:23:33 AM

Bermuda59: "The deputies were in uniform with placards that read "sheriff" when they encountered Malley."

Does anyone know if Malley can read?


He's part of the Minuteman Brigade, so he can probably read about 14 words or so.
 
2013-08-20 10:25:32 AM

supayoda: The more you eat the more you fart: supayoda: This is why I don't like the idea of civilians pretending to be cops. You are not a cop. What you are is more likely to get yourself or someone else killed. If you're lucky, you'll just fark up some real cop's attempt to do his job.

Go home.

Um..cops are civilians.

Sorry. I did also mean to include the following. When I used the term "civilians" I was using the first definition of the word:

ci·vil·ian  [si-vil-yuhn]  noun
1. a person who is not on active duty with a military, naval, police, or fire fighting organization.

But again... I know some people tend to disagree with that definition, so if it's easier to understand, we'll go with non-cops trying to be cops.


Sorry, but as much as the cops would like to be pseudo-military, they are not military personnel, and are therefore civilians, nor are they combat personnel.
 
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