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(Chicago Trib)   Man shoots and kills his friend over beer money   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 61
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2013-08-19 11:49:14 PM
Yeah, but only because he really really wanted to try this new beer, called W00Tstout.
 
2013-08-20 02:30:39 AM
Was it at least a good beer?
 
2013-08-20 02:33:20 AM
This guy barely had enough money for beer, yet apparently could afford to own a gun and ammunition.
I can't imagine ever wanting a beer that bad, even in my drunken younger days.
 
2013-08-20 02:33:53 AM
Man shoots friends, 1 fatally, over beer money.

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2013-08-20 02:36:28 AM

Kurmudgeon: This guy barely had enough money for beer, yet apparently could afford to own a gun and ammunition.
I can't imagine ever wanting a beer that bad, even in my drunken younger days.


You can buy a junk gun, retail, for under $100.
 
2013-08-20 02:37:55 AM
Well if your going to shoot someone that you call a friend then that's probably where you might start...

Beer. Serious Business.
 
2013-08-20 02:37:55 AM
He didn't shoot him over beer money. He shot him because he laughed at him.

Reminds me of a death that occurred here a couple weeks ago. Some guys were drinking at a kid's birthday party, which eventually led to shotgunning beers. Someone accidentally broke something (a beer bottle, weed pipe, glass) and some old dude freaked out and started beating up a 20-something year-old. 20-something grabs the knife they had been using to shotgun the beers and stabs/kills old dude.

/not so csb
 
2013-08-20 02:39:34 AM
Another responsible gun owner?
 
2013-08-20 02:40:19 AM
How much money we talking about here? I mean, if it was .68 cents that's one thing, but if he gave the guy a 20 for a six pack of natty light, that's a whole other story.
 
2013-08-20 02:41:06 AM

NorCalLos: He didn't shoot him over beer money. He shot him because he laughed at him.

Reminds me of a death that occurred here a couple weeks ago. Some guys were drinking at a kid's birthday party, which eventually led to shotgunning beers. Someone accidentally broke something (a beer bottle, weed pipe, glass) and some old dude freaked out and started beating up a 20-something year-old. 20-something grabs the knife they had been using to shotgun the beers and stabs/kills old dude.

/not so csb


Yep. This was about respect. The guy disrespected him in front of his friends. He was pissed, drunk and wanted to save face. I bet if you really dig deep into it, the guy was probably the low man on the totem pole in the group and was always picked on, that night he decided to do something about it.
 
2013-08-20 02:43:34 AM
They did get the next round, though.
 
2013-08-20 02:45:47 AM
He won't pay for beer, you bring a gun. He laughs at you, you send him to the morgue. That's the Chicago way.
 
2013-08-20 02:48:54 AM
We've all been there. Amirite?
 
2013-08-20 02:49:55 AM

farkingismybusiness: We've all been there. Amirite?


No, because when it comes time for beer runs I only give exact change. Nobody is stealing my change.
 
2013-08-20 02:56:17 AM
In heaven, there is no beer...
 
2013-08-20 03:12:08 AM

Kuta: In heaven, there is no beer...


That's why we drink it here
And when we're gone from here?

No beer in prison
 
2013-08-20 03:16:08 AM

Kuta: In heaven, there is no beer...


True. Spirits only.

/*rimshot*
 
2013-08-20 03:18:51 AM

Kuta: In heaven, there is no beer...


Is there beer in hell?
 
2013-08-20 03:22:41 AM

Kuta: In heaven, there is no beer...


Sounds more like hell.
 
2013-08-20 03:23:27 AM

WeenerGord: Kuta: In heaven, there is no beer...

That's why we drink it here
And when we're gone from here?

No beer in prison


Our friends will be drinking all our beer!
 
2013-08-20 03:33:14 AM

wellreadneck: They did get the next round, though.


Colt 45
 
2013-08-20 03:41:52 AM

Oldiron_79: Kuta: In heaven, there is no beer...

Is there beer in hell?


Bud Light.
 
2013-08-20 03:45:22 AM

Gyrfalcon: Oldiron_79: Kuta: In heaven, there is no beer...

Is there beer in hell?

Bud Light.


So thats a no.
 
2013-08-20 03:46:25 AM
I don't believe this story at all -- there's no Florida tag.

/ shocked
 
2013-08-20 04:02:21 AM
Did they call him Jive Turkey?
 
2013-08-20 04:04:54 AM

NorCalLos: He didn't shoot him over beer money. He shot him because he laughed at him.

Reminds me of a death that occurred here a couple weeks ago. Some guys were drinking at a kid's birthday party, which eventually led to shotgunning beers. Someone accidentally broke something (a beer bottle, weed pipe, glass) and some old dude freaked out and started beating up a 20-something year-old. 20-something grabs the knife they had been using to shotgun the beers and stabs/kills old dude.

/not so csb



I hope this was after they had the cake
 
2013-08-20 04:10:55 AM

Goose8780: NorCalLos: He didn't shoot him over beer money. He shot him because he laughed at him.

Reminds me of a death that occurred here a couple weeks ago. Some guys were drinking at a kid's birthday party, which eventually led to shotgunning beers. Someone accidentally broke something (a beer bottle, weed pipe, glass) and some old dude freaked out and started beating up a 20-something year-old. 20-something grabs the knife they had been using to shotgun the beers and stabs/kills old dude.

/not so csb


I hope this was after they had the cake


I think it was one of those deals where there's a kid birthday party during the day, then after all the squares leave, someone calls up the rest of the gang to bring over booze and drugs.
 
2013-08-20 04:26:59 AM
This makes drinking alone to be the epitome of wisdom... avoids all of this murderous friend beer money nonsense
 
2013-08-20 04:30:26 AM

berylman: This makes drinking alone to be the epitome of wisdom... avoids all of this murderous friend beer money nonsense


Ya, but then you don't have anyone to blame for drinking the last beer.
 
2013-08-20 04:43:43 AM

NorCalLos: berylman: This makes drinking alone to be the epitome of wisdom... avoids all of this murderous friend beer money nonsense

Ya, but then you don't have anyone to blame for drinking the last beer.


You just gotta think a little more creatively.  Any pets?  Small children?  Neighbors you could barge in on at 2am?  Lots of choices just gotta think outside the box.
 
2013-08-20 04:57:50 AM

Radioactive Ass: Well if your going to shoot someone that you call a friend then that's probably where you might start...

Beer. Serious Business.


Persactly. Friends are friends, but a good beer is suds.
 
2013-08-20 05:32:09 AM
GOD DAMN IT

This is what happens when you hang out with Ron Simmons all the time!
 
2013-08-20 05:35:09 AM
I thought this kinda of thing only happened at Chuck E. Cheese?

/knowwhatimean
//knowwhatimsaying
 
2013-08-20 06:00:14 AM

Abacus9: Another responsible gun owner?


Probably an ex-felon (illegal to possess a gun), with a concealed weapon (likely illegal in Chicago)(illegal to possess while intoxicated), shooting his friends over nothing (murder 1, attempt murder 1, Agg Assault w/ a deadly weapon).  Three felonies before he pulled the trigger, three after.  Good balance.  More gun laws would stop him!

Oh wait, you were trolling?  Carry on then.
 
2013-08-20 06:22:37 AM

AngryDragon: Abacus9: Another responsible gun owner?

Probably an ex-felon (illegal to possess a gun), with a concealed weapon (likely illegal in Chicago)(illegal to possess while intoxicated), shooting his friends over nothing (murder 1, attempt murder 1, Agg Assault w/ a deadly weapon).  Three felonies before he pulled the trigger, three after.  Good balance.  More gun laws would stop him!


That's a lot of assumptions.

Oh wait, you were trolling?  Carry on then.

Nope.
 
2013-08-20 06:35:01 AM

Abacus9: AngryDragon: Abacus9: Another responsible gun owner?

Probably an ex-felon (illegal to possess a gun), with a concealed weapon (likely illegal in Chicago)(illegal to possess while intoxicated), shooting his friends over nothing (murder 1, attempt murder 1, Agg Assault w/ a deadly weapon).  Three felonies before he pulled the trigger, three after.  Good balance.  More gun laws would stop him!

That's a lot of assumptions.

Oh wait, you were trolling?  Carry on then.

Nope.


I'll give you the first one, though it's unlikely a normal upstanding citizen with no criminal record would snap and shoot two of his friends over beer money.  Concealed carry is not legal in Chicago until 2014, so that is not an assumption.  It is a fact.  I didn't even go to the possibility that "Gumaro Torres" may be undocumented, but then again that's not a felony.
 
2013-08-20 06:48:03 AM

AngryDragon: Abacus9: AngryDragon: Abacus9: Another responsible gun owner?

Probably an ex-felon (illegal to possess a gun), with a concealed weapon (likely illegal in Chicago)(illegal to possess while intoxicated), shooting his friends over nothing (murder 1, attempt murder 1, Agg Assault w/ a deadly weapon).  Three felonies before he pulled the trigger, three after.  Good balance.  More gun laws would stop him!

That's a lot of assumptions.

Oh wait, you were trolling?  Carry on then.

Nope.

I'll give you the first one, though it's unlikely a normal upstanding citizen with no criminal record would snap and shoot two of his friends over beer money.


There's a first time for everything.
 
2013-08-20 06:59:09 AM
This is like an extra line in a Jim Croce song
 
2013-08-20 06:59:14 AM
Victimless crime
 
2013-08-20 07:01:59 AM
If he had sold his gun. none of this would have happened
 
2013-08-20 07:28:11 AM
If the assh*le is here illegally ( more than likely) why can't the cops just shoot him dead and save the US taxpayers money. I mean he wasn't supposed to be here anyway . He is technically trespassing and owns a gun ( not registered I am sure ).

No one would care... especially me

More cops killing trash saves us $$$$
 
2013-08-20 07:28:43 AM
So it was justified?

/DNRTFA
 
2013-08-20 07:32:25 AM
The tastes great/less filling argument rages on.
 
2013-08-20 07:44:13 AM

Oldiron_79: Gyrfalcon: Oldiron_79: Kuta: In heaven, there is no beer...

Is there beer in hell?

Bud Light.

So thats a no.


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2013-08-20 07:49:28 AM

wellreadneck: They did get the next round, though.


Was it a 22?
 
2013-08-20 07:55:23 AM

tampaflacouple: If the assh*le is here illegally ( more than likely) why can't the cops just shoot him dead and save the US taxpayers money. I mean he wasn't supposed to be here anyway . He is technically trespassing and owns a gun ( not registered I am sure ).

No one would care... especially me

More cops killing trash saves us $$$$


why, I hadn't thought of it this way before! It's a solid plan, I endorse it, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2013-08-20 08:07:55 AM

tampaflacouple: If the assh*le is here illegally ( more than likely) why can't the cops just shoot him dead and save the US taxpayers money. I mean he wasn't supposed to be here anyway . He is technically trespassing and owns a gun ( not registered I am sure ).

No one would care... especially me

More cops killing trash saves us $$$$


Stay in Florida, freakazoid.
 
2013-08-20 08:15:09 AM

ongbok: This was about respect. The guy disrespected him in front of his friends. He was pissed, drunk and wanted to save face. I bet if you really dig deep into it, the guy was probably the low man on the totem pole in the group and was always picked on, that night he decided to do something about it.


FTFA: "He stated that he was angry that when he returned the victims laughed at him," prosecutors said.

Yeah, that's what I think too. We had a far more scaled down version of this happen one time when a bunch of friends rented a vacation home in our early 20s. One guy had a girlfriend who was a complete drama queen. People were horsing around and throwing each other into the pool. After several people got tossed in, we went after her. She freaked out, started crying before we got her to the pool, so we let her go. She ran and hid in her bedroom sobbing. The boyfriend (our friend) goes to check on her and comes downstairs, threatening that he will "fark up" the next guy that picks on her. He's screaming at the top of his lungs and is really animated. There's a few beats of silence and everyone starts laughing. The guy turned beat red and you could tell he was more frustrated at no one taking him serious than he was about the girlfriend-in-the-pool bit. He grabs a nearby beer bottle by the neck, and smashes it against a table. Brandishing the jagged bottle in his hand, he screams like a girl, "I'm not farking kidding!" Another beat, more laughter. Thankfully he wasn't a violent guy so he just whipped the remainder of the bottle against the wall and stormed off. I mean, aside from attacking one of his friends, where does he go from there? It wasn't normal behavior to begin with, but he wasn't completely psycho.
 
2013-08-20 08:17:29 AM

bunner: Man shoots friends, 1 fatally, over beer money.

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Precisely.
 
2013-08-20 08:19:05 AM
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Dude, it's over.  Just let it go.
 
2013-08-20 08:26:50 AM

WinoRhino: ongbok: This was about respect. The guy disrespected him in front of his friends. He was pissed, drunk and wanted to save face. I bet if you really dig deep into it, the guy was probably the low man on the totem pole in the group and was always picked on, that night he decided to do something about it.

FTFA: "He stated that he was angry that when he returned the victims laughed at him," prosecutors said.

Yeah, that's what I think too. We had a far more scaled down version of this happen one time when a bunch of friends rented a vacation home in our early 20s. One guy had a girlfriend who was a complete drama queen. People were horsing around and throwing each other into the pool. After several people got tossed in, we went after her. She freaked out, started crying before we got her to the pool, so we let her go. She ran and hid in her bedroom sobbing. The boyfriend (our friend) goes to check on her and comes downstairs, threatening that he will "fark up" the next guy that picks on her. He's screaming at the top of his lungs and is really animated. There's a few beats of silence and everyone starts laughing. The guy turned beat red and you could tell he was more frustrated at no one taking him serious than he was about the girlfriend-in-the-pool bit. He grabs a nearby beer bottle by the neck, and smashes it against a table. Brandishing the jagged bottle in his hand, he screams like a girl, "I'm not farking kidding!" Another beat, more laughter. Thankfully he wasn't a violent guy so he just whipped the remainder of the bottle against the wall and stormed off. I mean, aside from attacking one of his friends, where does he go from there? It wasn't normal behavior to begin with, but he wasn't completely psycho.


I hate to break it to you but a guy breaking a bottle and threatening people with the shards before hurling them against a wall over some slight to his girlfriend?  That's a guy who just hasn't been violent yet.
 
2013-08-20 08:48:42 AM
Brews before bros, bros before hoes. It's basic common sense.
 
2013-08-20 09:45:48 AM

AngryDragon: I hate to break it to you but a guy breaking a bottle and threatening people with the shards before hurling them against a wall over some slight to his girlfriend?  That's a guy who just hasn't been violent yet.


Well, to be honest with you, as I was typing that I was thinking the same thing. It certainly wasn't normal behavior. But it's been about 14 years since that occurred, and if anything he's mellowed out quite a bit. There's never been anything remotely close to that type of behavior again (that I know of) so I'll give him a pass.
 
2013-08-20 09:59:25 AM

gadian: Was it at least a good beer?


Yeah they always leave out the important shiat! Journalism is truly suffering.

Kuta: In heaven, there is no beer...


But heaven has a halfpipe.
 
2013-08-20 10:05:54 AM
Ready for a home invasion.

Not ready for a picnic.
 
2013-08-20 10:12:56 AM

AngryDragon: I hate to break it to you but a guy breaking a bottle and threatening people with the shards before hurling them against a wall over some slight to his girlfriend? That's a guy who just hasn't been violent yet.


The chick probably goaded him into it. You know the kind " GO DEFEND MY HONOR!!! DON'T YOU LOOOOVE MEEEEE? IF YOU DON'T KICK THEIR ASSES YOU'RE NO MAN!!!!"
 
2013-08-20 11:33:51 AM

KellyKellyKelly: Dude, it's over.  Just let it go.


Came for this, nice work triple K.
 
2013-08-20 12:38:18 PM

wellreadneck: They did get the next round, though.


Golf clap
 
2013-08-20 03:51:22 PM
Drew?
 
2013-08-20 07:48:08 PM
Wow, this far in and I'm the first to say "Well at least he had a good reason?"
 
2013-08-21 07:15:06 AM

tampaflacouple: If the assh*le is here illegally ( more than likely) why can't the cops just shoot him dead and save the US taxpayers money. I mean he wasn't supposed to be here anyway . He is technically trespassing and owns a gun ( not registered I am sure ).

No one would care... especially me

More cops killing trash saves us $$$$


You'd better hope they don't consider you trash some day.
 
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