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(Denver Channel)   City of Denver evicts family of woman killed in shooting rampage three days ago   (thedenverchannel.com) divider line 146
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2013-08-19 08:09:49 PM  
The Denver Housing Authority declined an on-camera interview, but issued this statement, "The mother was living in the home as a live-in aid to the lessee. Under federal policies and regulations, once the head of household is no longer with us, a live-in aid no longer has rights to that unit. We understand the family is under duress, but we will be locking the unit because they have no legal rights. We know this is a very tragic situation and offer our condolences."

Didn't they just legalize weed there? The DHA really needs to blaze up and mellow out.

I thought they may have been behind on rent for a while (it can take months to evict someone), and it was just shiatty timing. But this is a pretty dick move.
 
2013-08-19 08:24:25 PM  
Sad, but if they did not move quickly the mother would have tenants rights and then the city would have to go through an eviction process.
 
2013-08-19 08:26:14 PM  
The first house I bought way back when was being rented to someone and the renters had agreed (to the existing owner) to move out by the closing date but my lawyer told me I also had to serve them with a formal eviction notice too.

I said that it seemed a bit aggressive and that I was worried that it would create a caustic or confrontational atmosphere when it didn't seem like there was any problem and I'd rather have a more cooperative atmosphere.

He then laid out just what can happen if they decide they don't want to move out, which took a while, and asked me if I wanted to take that chance.

He said it was really just a formality and they weren't going to go tossing their shiat into the streets, but rather it was just a paper making it legally clear that they had to leave and when.

Up until then I didn't think it be like it is but it do.
 
2013-08-19 08:50:42 PM  

bojon: Sad, but if they did not move quickly the mother would have tenants rights and then the city would have to go through an eviction process.


Colorado law must really suck.  In California, lease or no lease, they have to be evicted if they have been living there greater than 30 days.
 
2013-08-19 09:07:14 PM  
Wow. What a tragedy all around. Too sad for words.
 
2013-08-19 09:08:59 PM  
haemaker:   In California, lease or no lease, they have to be evicted if they have been living there greater than 30 days.

Lord Jesus, ain't nobody got time for dat....
 
2013-08-19 09:10:09 PM  
just an inconvenience.  They'll still be living in government housing somewhere--just somewhere else.
 
2013-08-19 09:13:23 PM  
Why not, you know, rent the home to them? I mean, damn ...
 
2013-08-19 10:33:00 PM  
These kinds of asshats who follow law for the letter of it are the reason Shakespeare was down on lawyers.
 
2013-08-19 10:33:05 PM  
Denver Mayor Michael Hancock's office goes to the dogs to raise awareness

"Denver Mayor Michael Hancock, a well-known dog lover, marked today's "Take Your Dog To Work Day" by bringing "Rambo" from the Denver Animal Shelter into his office to highlight the awareness of the need to adopt shelter pets.

"Hancock's press event and staged photo op this morning was a way to get the message out about the number of shelter animals looking for homes."


Hey, this dude sounds compassionate. Maybe they can move into HIS house?

Or are they the "wrong kind of animal"?
 
2013-08-19 11:09:35 PM  
OK dick move and property owner rights arguments aside.  Would anyone really want to live in the house where your family member was murdered?  I know it was because of some whack job and not a high crime area, but just having to walk by the spot your family member was gunned down to get your mail everyday would bother me.
 
2013-08-19 11:18:05 PM  
Gotta love bureaucracy
 
2013-08-19 11:33:23 PM  

Tom_Slick: OK dick move and property owner rights arguments aside.  Would anyone really want to live in the house where your family member was murdered?  I know it was because of some whack job and not a high crime area, but just having to walk by the spot your family member was gunned down to get your mail everyday would bother me.


Maybe not forever, but they could probably use a little time to make funeral arrangements and figure out what they're going to do next.
 
2013-08-19 11:44:21 PM  
If that family had gunz and shot back theyre constitutional rights would be respected.

Thanks NObama!!
 
2013-08-19 11:46:05 PM  
No bootstraps?
 
2013-08-19 11:47:28 PM  

cman: Gotta love bureaucracy


This is what happens when you seek to create a subclass of dependency. When you put your life in the hands of the govt it never works out well. It might be too late though. I don't remember who it was that said freedom is doomed once people realize they can vote to give themselves money. Dependency is a trap that very few can ever get out of. Once the dependent can outvote the non dependent the entire house of cards will fall. The true sadness is you are doing no favors to the dependent.
 
2013-08-19 11:47:29 PM  
The farkin brother is wearing an Airborne Tshirt!!!!  If he's ex-military then he can get off his effing ass and move the mother and son in with him.  He probably doesn't mind living off the taxpayers - why should his family be any different?
 
2013-08-19 11:51:03 PM  
What the fark is wrong with people?


/Oh noes, moar paperwark!
//and if she's been there 10 years, she may very well have rights towards that lease.  Enjoy the lawsuit, Denver.
 
2013-08-19 11:51:16 PM  
I understand notifying them that the lease technically ended with the death, but locking them out? I assume that not all the property in the house was strictly that the of the woman who was killed. Are the mother and son not entitled to their own possessions?
 
2013-08-19 11:51:33 PM  
Remember boys and girls, if the government gives it to you, they can take it away.
 
2013-08-19 11:51:41 PM  
land of the free, home of the brave indeed.
 
2013-08-19 11:51:50 PM  
Another responsible gun owner.

Remember folks, this is a small price to pay for freedom. Background checks and psychological testing may have prevented this tragedy, but then we would be speaking Russian and Castro would become the new President of the United States.
 
2013-08-19 11:53:13 PM  
Sounds like the Denver Housing Authority could use a little reminder that there are people in the world who don't appreciate small minded evil toadies, and those people can make your lives a living hell.
 
2013-08-19 11:54:28 PM  

scottydoesntknow: The Denver Housing Authority declined an on-camera interview, but issued this statement, "The mother was living in the home as a live-in aid to the lessee. Under federal policies and regulations, once the head of household is no longer with us, a live-in aid no longer has rights to that unit. We understand the family is under duress, but we will be locking the unit because they have no legal rights. We know this is a very tragic situation and offer our condolences."

Didn't they just legalize weed there? The DHA really needs to blaze up and mellow out.

I thought they may have been behind on rent for a while (it can take months to evict someone), and it was just shiatty timing. But this is a pretty dick move.


Came here to say almost exactly the same thing. Right down to the "dick move" part but minus the weed part.
 
2013-08-19 11:55:06 PM  
Don't worry folks, your government loves you and would never, ever do anything to render you aggrieved. This story is obviously a fabrication.  o.O

/I just crossed Colorado off the list of states I want to visit. If they treat their own citizens this way, I shudder to think what they would do to outsiders. I'd hate to be put to death for jaywalking. Sheesh.
//My, that was a long slashie...
 
2013-08-19 11:56:28 PM  
My old apartment would evict someone within 7 days if rent was late. Also, if rent is late 3 times in a year? Eviction.

BravadoGT: just an inconvenience.  They'll still be living in government housing somewhere--just somewhere else.


Learn to read, asshole.
"It still doesn't make sense," Campbell said. "Just because you're apologetic, doesn't keep my mom... what if she didn't have us? "I don't know where she would go."
 
2013-08-19 11:57:26 PM  

walkingtall: cman: Gotta love bureaucracy

This is what happens when you seek to create a subclass of dependency. When you put your life in the hands of the govt it never works out well. It might be too late though. I don't remember who it was that said freedom is doomed once people realize they can vote to give themselves money. Dependency is a trap that very few can ever get out of. Once the dependent can outvote the non dependent the entire house of cards will fall. The true sadness is you are doing no favors to the dependent.


Right. And Hitler was a progressive. I'm on to your shtick.
 
2013-08-19 11:59:00 PM  
Markin said he has a lot of questions including how his friend wound up in a gunman's killing path.

TFA was a bit spotty, but It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out what happened:

The victim was hanging out with McShooty's estranged wife on the porch. Duh.
 
2013-08-19 11:59:28 PM  
Wow, a lot of conservatards in this thread.
 
2013-08-20 12:00:08 AM  
Sad, but the law is the law - other than expediting an update to the lease to allow the mother to sign on, I'm not sure what else the city could do without opening a much larger can of worms.

Just sucks all around.
 
2013-08-20 12:00:32 AM  
Be realistic. This is America. How could we possibly afford to house the families of all those killed in gun violence?
 
2013-08-20 12:00:42 AM  
Befehl ist Befehl.  Das Gesetz muss immer eingehalten werden.
 
2013-08-20 12:00:53 AM  
Sadly, with a little bit of effort on the behalf of the people at the housing authority, this eviction could be avoided at least in the short term.  There really is no excuse for this act of inhumanity.
 
2013-08-20 12:03:08 AM  

fusillade762: Right. And Hitler was a progressive. I'm on to your shtick.


What we did to the Indians was terrible. What was worse was when we honestly tried to help then to make up for what we did to them. Have you ever been to a real reservation? I have. It is a travesty what has happened to those proud people. It makes me angry and we have killed them with kindness.
 
2013-08-20 12:03:11 AM  
The Denver Housing Authority declined an on-camera interview, but issued this statement, "The mother was living in the home as a live-in aid to the lessee. Under federal policies and regulations, once the head of household is no longer with us, a live-in aid no longer has rights to that unit. We understand the family is under duress, but we will be locking the unit because they have no legal rights. We know this is a very tragic situation and offer our condolences."

And we just made it worse.  But, we aren't paid to think, or feel.  And we really couldn't care less, tah
 
2013-08-20 12:04:18 AM  
I should really watch some news occasionally or something. I live here, and didn't have any idea there was a shooting rampage.
 
2013-08-20 12:04:37 AM  

fusillade762: walkingtall: cman: Gotta love bureaucracy

This is what happens when you seek to create a subclass of dependency. When you put your life in the hands of the govt it never works out well. It might be too late though. I don't remember who it was that said freedom is doomed once people realize they can vote to give themselves money. Dependency is a trap that very few can ever get out of. Once the dependent can outvote the non dependent the entire house of cards will fall. The true sadness is you are doing no favors to the dependent.

Right. And Hitler was a progressive. I'm on to your shtick.


Actually, he was...in an evil, sick, twisted sorta way.

Hopefully, the publicity about this will let common sense prevail. I'm doubtful, but hopeful.
 
2013-08-20 12:06:37 AM  
Colorado in general, and the Denver area more specifically, seems to have a bit of a problem with shooting rampages. Is it something in the water?
 
2013-08-20 12:06:41 AM  

jpo2269: Sadly, with a little bit of effort on the behalf of the people at the housing authority, this eviction could be avoided at least in the short term.  There really is no excuse for this act of inhumanity.


There is no one person as heartless and cruel as all of us together. Studies have shown that time and time again. That is why beauracracies are so bad. Shared responsibility. Mob mentality.
 
2013-08-20 12:10:41 AM  
Does walkingtall have aspergers?
 
2013-08-20 12:11:29 AM  

jpo2269: Sadly, with a little bit of effort on the behalf of the people at the housing authority, this eviction could be avoided at least in the short term.  There really is no excuse for this act of inhumanity.


Remember no government employee has ever been fired for saying NO sorry those our the rules, bending the rules on the other hand.
 
2013-08-20 12:11:37 AM  

Mark Ratner: Actually, he was...in an evil, sick, twisted sorta way.



Good luck with that. If there is one thing farkers are good at is rewriting history the way they want. I have fought that battle before with all of the progressive ideas Hitler directly took from the progressive movement in the US. Farkers just put their fingers in their ears and yell LALALA fascism right wing....
 
2013-08-20 12:11:43 AM  
,walkingtall,

Ironically,, while I cannot point to a series of examples that would prove you wrong in the arena of government reactions, thankfully the American people are very, very generous in response in the time of need.
 
2013-08-20 12:12:15 AM  
"...Roskilly was the only person named on the lease for the home ."


Not too hard to understand that once the person is an ex-leasee...the house is going to get locked.

Gone.  Pining for the fiords,  Not present anymore...
 
2013-08-20 12:17:05 AM  
I see Denver intends to keep all of her personal belongings as well.
 
2013-08-20 12:17:07 AM  

walkingtall: Mark Ratner: Actually, he was...in an evil, sick, twisted sorta way.


Good luck with that. If there is one thing farkers are good at is rewriting history the way they want. I have fought that battle before with all of the progressive ideas Hitler directly took from the progressive movement in the US. Farkers just put their fingers in their ears and yell LALALA fascism right wing....


But, you do agree he was an evil mofo, right?
 
2013-08-20 12:17:12 AM  

walkingtall: Mark Ratner: Actually, he was...in an evil, sick, twisted sorta way.


Good luck with that. If there is one thing farkers are good at is rewriting history the way they want. I have fought that battle before with all of the progressive ideas Hitler directly took from the progressive movement in the US. Farkers just put their fingers in their ears and yell LALALA fascism right wing....


Aren't you just adorable.
 
2013-08-20 12:17:15 AM  

Barfmaker: The first house I bought way back when was being rented to someone and the renters had agreed (to the existing owner) to move out by the closing date but my lawyer told me I also had to serve them with a formal eviction notice too.

I said that it seemed a bit aggressive and that I was worried that it would create a caustic or confrontational atmosphere when it didn't seem like there was any problem and I'd rather have a more cooperative atmosphere.

He then laid out just what can happen if they decide they don't want to move out, which took a while, and asked me if I wanted to take that chance.

He said it was really just a formality and they weren't going to go tossing their shiat into the streets, but rather it was just a paper making it legally clear that they had to leave and when.

Up until then I didn't think it be like it is but it do.


My house is about to close and the new owners cut it really close, enrolling the kids in school before they even had a place to live.  Landlord asked if I'd consider letting them move in as renters while they waited for their house to sell.  Hells to the no!  What if their house didn't sell?  Then I've got renters in a house I'm trying to sell and it could take months to get them out and  I have to pay rent somewhere the whole time and I have to ask my "tenants" for permission to show my house to new buyers.

Fortunately, their house did sell and they'll be getting the keys a week before school starts but no way was I going down that road.  The realtor even said, "I didn't think that was going to fly."
 
2013-08-20 12:18:24 AM  

Tom_Slick: OK dick move and property owner rights arguments aside.  Would anyone really want to live in the house where your family member was murdered?  I know it was because of some whack job and not a high crime area, but just having to walk by the spot your family member was gunned down to get your mail everyday would bother me.


In New York, isn't that the joke, look at the obituaries to find an apartment.
 
2013-08-20 12:18:28 AM  

jpo2269: ,walkingtall,

Ironically,, while I cannot point to a series of examples that would prove you wrong in the arena of government reactions, thankfully the American people are very, very generous in response in the time of need.


Only if that need is thrust into your living room 24 hours a day. What happens to all the people caught in the trap of govt bureaucracy that don't get to make the nightly news. How about them? No constant news stream = no help for you. Counting on the ethereal "people" to help in times of trouble is a losing bet. Leaving it up to government to control people's lives and hoping that new coverage will correct things when it goes bad leaves an awful lot of people falling through the cracks. Not so fun when it is you who falls through the cracks.
 
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