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(CBS Sports)   Chiefs trade their sucky wide receiver to the 49ers for their sucky wide receiver   (cbssports.com) divider line 38
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2013-08-19 05:21:34 PM
Bill Belichick told Thomas Dimitroff he shouldn't trade up for Julio Jones because Baldwin was basically the same player....

Stay classy, Bill.
 
2013-08-19 05:26:19 PM

The Sporting News on Jon Baldwin in their coverage of Pitt's Pro Day before the draft:


"Wide receiver Jon Baldwin has been called a first-round prospect by some in the media, but that's just crazy talk. He is a big receiver with a tight upper body and almost zero quickness or acceleration off the line or our of breaks. He lacks zero elusiveness running after the catch, too. Although he didn't drop a pass in Tiesday's workout, he still traps way too many balls against his body instead of reaching out and snatching them. Plus, he trashed fromer coach Dave Wannstedt in the media after he was fired, tuirning off many NFL people who would have considered him as a backup receiver. Coaches make exceptions for me-first receivers with rare talent--that's not Baldwin"


/Looks like you grabbed a winner there, Jimmy
 
2013-08-19 05:29:26 PM

iron_city_ap: Bill Belichick told Thomas Dimitroff he shouldn't trade up for Julio Jones because Baldwin was basically the same player....

Stay classy, Bill.


He's the same player as Bethel Johnson, Chad Jackson and Brandon Tate.
All wide receivers look the same to Bill.
 
2013-08-19 05:33:43 PM

CodeMonkey4Life: iron_city_ap: Bill Belichick told Thomas Dimitroff he shouldn't trade up for Julio Jones because Baldwin was basically the same player....

Stay classy, Bill.

He's the same player as Bethel Johnson, Chad Jackson and Brandon Tate.
All wide receivers look the same to Bill.


Except Troy Brown, who looks like a utility infielder.
 
2013-08-19 05:35:07 PM
Great googly moogly.
 
2013-08-19 05:43:53 PM
And now he and Alex Smith can suck together.

... Good lord, that sounds dirty. o_o'
 
2013-08-19 05:44:37 PM
I'm surprised that the Chefs didn't get more.
'Niners are supposed to win the SB this season and are losing WR's faster than a WR-losing...thing.
Nobody really expects KC to do much but try to not get the first pick in the 2014 draft.  Seems like they could have extracted an additional 5th or 6th rd draft pick just on those circumstances?
 
2013-08-19 05:48:51 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Nobody really expects KC to do much but try to not get the first pick in the 2014 draft.


The Chiefs are expected to be decent this year with Jamaal Charles and Alex Smith.
 
2013-08-19 05:51:42 PM

degenerate-afro: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Nobody really expects KC to do much but try to not get the first pick in the 2014 draft.

The Chiefs are expected to be decent this year with Jamaal Charles and Alex Smith.


plus they get 4 games vs the chargers/raiders which should be at least 3 wins right there, and possibly could split vs the donkeys.
 
2013-08-19 06:02:31 PM

farbekrieg: degenerate-afro: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Nobody really expects KC to do much but try to not get the first pick in the 2014 draft.

The Chiefs are expected to be decent this year with Jamaal Charles and Alex Smith.

plus they get 4 games vs the chargers/raiders which should be at least 3 wins right there, and possibly could split vs the donkeys.


'Decent' is still a long way from the pressure on San Francisco...and Andy Reid clock mismanagement will blow one of those wins, no matter who they have a wide receiver.
 
2013-08-19 06:11:23 PM

degenerate-afro: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Nobody really expects KC to do much but try to not get the first pick in the 2014 draft.

The Chiefs are expected to be decent this year with Jamaal Charles and Alex Smith.


It's cute when Chiefs fans get hopeful.

/7-9
//Would be far from shameful given last year's squad.
///While we Raider fans get excited over the possibility of Clowney or maybe Bridgewater.
 
2013-08-19 06:12:36 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: farbekrieg: degenerate-afro: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Nobody really expects KC to do much but try to not get the first pick in the 2014 draft.

The Chiefs are expected to be decent this year with Jamaal Charles and Alex Smith.

plus they get 4 games vs the chargers/raiders which should be at least 3 wins right there, and possibly could split vs the donkeys.

'Decent' is still a long way from the pressure on San Francisco...and Andy Reid clock mismanagement will blow one of those wins, no matter who they have a wide receiver.


The question was if the chefs would be in the fight for a top draft pick which seems a lot less likely than a 6-7 win season.

Yes any Reid will blow a game with poor clock management but he will also put them in a position to win 2-3 games that would not have won last year (better evaluator of talent, better game planning), you take the good with the bad here. Unless we are just angrily hating on him for never bringing a title to Philly, in which case carry on.
 
2013-08-19 06:12:47 PM
Sounds like two GMs got together over a beer, commiserated over their first-round WR busts who were about to get cut, and after a few rounds decided to swap them out just for fun.

For all the praise Trent Baalke gets, his 2012 draft is looking like one of the shiattiest draft classes you will ever see an NFL team have in your lifetime.
 
2013-08-19 06:19:26 PM

Super Chronic: Sounds like two GMs got together over a beer, commiserated over their first-round WR busts who were about to get cut, and after a few rounds decided to swap them out just for fun.

For all the praise Trent Baalke gets, his 2012 draft is looking like one of the shiattiest draft classes you will ever see an NFL team have in your lifetime.


The thing that really hurts for them is contrasting it with the Seahawks' 2012 rookie class. Makes those cap considerations in the next few years a far more difficult problem when you totally blow a draft.
 
2013-08-19 06:20:20 PM
I think the main motivation for both teams were salary cap considerations.  Both teams were on the hook for both this years and next years salaries for both players regardless of production.  This way, after the trade, I believe that only this year and part of next year counts against the cap for both teams now, and each player can now be cut without a 2015 cap hit altogether, while enjoying some savings in 2014.  The Niners did this several years ago when they traded Rashaun Woods for some other 1st round failure.  So this was just a quid pro quo from the two front offices helping out each others caps in 2015.

And for whatever its worth (admittedly very, very little), Jenkins quickness/shiftiness probably fits better in Reid's system, and Baldwin's blocking skills will probably work better in Harbaugh's system.  Grasping at straws I realize, but there you go.
 
2013-08-19 06:32:19 PM

degenerate-afro: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Nobody really expects KC to do much but try to not get the first pick in the 2014 draft.

The Chiefs are expected to be decent this year with Jamaal Charles and Alex Smith.


If they can stay healthy.  They can't.
 
2013-08-19 06:37:15 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: I think the main motivation for both teams were salary cap considerations.  Both teams were on the hook for both this years and next years salaries for both players regardless of production.  This way, after the trade, I believe that only this year and part of next year counts against the cap for both teams now, and each player can now be cut without a 2015 cap hit altogether, while enjoying some savings in 2014.  The Niners did this several years ago when they traded Rashaun Woods for some other 1st round failure.  So this was just a quid pro quo from the two front offices helping out each others caps in 2015.

And for whatever its worth (admittedly very, very little), Jenkins quickness/shiftiness probably fits better in Reid's system, and Baldwin's blocking skills will probably work better in Harbaugh's system.  Grasping at straws I realize, but there you go.


the way i understand it is in trades the prorated bonuses get accelerated to this years cap so cutting them in the future wouldn't effect the cap.  Plus it's kind of a kick in the pants to motivate the players pretty much saying your shiat isnt cutting it here we'll give you the opportunity for a fresh start somewhere else and if you blow it there then adios.
 
2013-08-19 06:40:39 PM

elguerodiablo: Why Would I Read the Article: I think the main motivation for both teams were salary cap considerations.  Both teams were on the hook for both this years and next years salaries for both players regardless of production.  This way, after the trade, I believe that only this year and part of next year counts against the cap for both teams now, and each player can now be cut without a 2015 cap hit altogether, while enjoying some savings in 2014.  The Niners did this several years ago when they traded Rashaun Woods for some other 1st round failure.  So this was just a quid pro quo from the two front offices helping out each others caps in 2015.

And for whatever its worth (admittedly very, very little), Jenkins quickness/shiftiness probably fits better in Reid's system, and Baldwin's blocking skills will probably work better in Harbaugh's system.  Grasping at straws I realize, but there you go.

the way i understand it is in trades the prorated bonuses get accelerated to this years cap so cutting them in the future wouldn't effect the cap.  Plus it's kind of a kick in the pants to motivate the players pretty much saying your shiat isnt cutting it here we'll give you the opportunity for a fresh start somewhere else and if you blow it there then adios.


Well, if you accelerate it to this year's cap, and you have the room, it makes sense to to the old swappity-doo to make room for next year. Cut them with less of a hit after the 2013 season. If I'm doing my math right.
 
2013-08-19 06:56:55 PM
It has to suck to be a player involved in a trade with the headline "Teams swap failures".
 
2013-08-19 06:57:27 PM

elguerodiablo: the way i understand it is in trades the prorated bonuses get accelerated to this years cap so cutting them in the future wouldn't effect the cap.


Yes, but a caveat in that rule is that trades made after June 1st, the team is allowed to spread the bonus proration money over two years so that it's less of a hit. From the Niners standpoint, Jenkins still had 3 guaranteed years left on his salary, so the accelerated hit is cut in half and spread out over two years instead of one, and the big thing, from the Niners standpoint, is that the guaranteed money Jenkins would have made in 2015 now does not count against their salary cap. They are now on the hook for Baldwin's salary but can now cut him without any 2015 cap implications.


I *think*, anyway.
 
2013-08-19 07:05:04 PM
I want to see a Gabbert for Sanchez trade now.
 
2013-08-19 07:07:32 PM

UNC_Samurai: CodeMonkey4Life: iron_city_ap: Bill Belichick told Thomas Dimitroff he shouldn't trade up for Julio Jones because Baldwin was basically the same player....

Stay classy, Bill.

He's the same player as Bethel Johnson, Chad Jackson and Brandon Tate.
All wide receivers look the same to Bill.

Except Troy Brown, who looks like a utility infielder.


Bill didn't draft Troy.

Although he did pick up a UFA from Troy's school who might just stick
 
2013-08-19 07:16:28 PM
The tailgating at Arrowhead Stadium will be some of the best in the NFL.  It's the only thing that's been consistently good.
The action on the field, however, well, who knows?   As a Chiefs fan, I hope for the best, but will most likely be disappointed by yet another painful loss and yet another losing season.
 
2013-08-19 07:18:00 PM

eyeq360: The tailgating at Arrowhead Stadium will be some of the best in the NFL. It's the only thing that's been consistently good.
The action on the field, however, well, who knows? As a Chiefs fan, I hope for the best, but will most likely be disappointed by yet another painful loss and yet another losing season.


Just make sure you win exactly 8 games, so that 3rd rounder for Alex Smith becomes a 2nd rounder. But not more than 8, exactly 8.
 
2013-08-19 07:24:39 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: I'm surprised that the Chefs didn't get more.


This was just a swap of problem children. Either team could have easily cut their problem, and probably would have in any other circumstance. Basically they're just taking the chance that a change of scenery kick-starts one of them.
 
2013-08-19 07:28:04 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: eyeq360: The tailgating at Arrowhead Stadium will be some of the best in the NFL. It's the only thing that's been consistently good.
The action on the field, however, well, who knows? As a Chiefs fan, I hope for the best, but will most likely be disappointed by yet another painful loss and yet another losing season.

Just make sure you win exactly 8 games, so that 3rd rounder for Alex Smith becomes a 2nd rounder. But not more than 8, exactly 8.


If they hit .500, I would consider it a minor miracle.
 
2013-08-19 07:34:57 PM
AJ Jenkins is the only WR taken in the 1st round since the merger in 1970 that never caught a pass for the team that drafted him.
 
2013-08-19 07:48:36 PM

eyeq360: If they hit .500, I would consider it a minor miracle.


I honestly could see them winning 10 games this season. 4 games against the Raiders and Chargers, I would expect 3 wins there. The rest of the schedule is very favorable, too. Jaguars, Eagles, Browns, Bills, and Titans are all very winnable games. Think they'll win at least one against the Colts/Giants/Redskins/Texans, possibly two. It's pollyannish look, but hardly out of the question. The signings of Smith and Robinson should make that secondary extremely tough. They could be a lot better than people think.

There's a lot of talent on that roster, and don't underestimate the difference that going from Romeo Crennel to Andy Reid can make, either. The difference between a bumbling, incompetent head coach and even an average one is staggering. And given that the AFC is somewhat down this year, I think there will be a lot of surprises, and KC can easily be one of them.
 
2013-08-19 07:53:08 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: eyeq360: If they hit .500, I would consider it a minor miracle.

I honestly could see them winning 10 games this season. 4 games against the Raiders and Chargers, I would expect 3 wins there. The rest of the schedule is very favorable, too. Jaguars, Eagles, Browns, Bills, and Titans are all very winnable games. Think they'll win at least one against the Colts/Giants/Redskins/Texans, possibly two. It's pollyannish look, but hardly out of the question. The signings of Smith and Robinson should make that secondary extremely tough. They could be a lot better than people think.

There's a lot of talent on that roster, and don't underestimate the difference that going from Romeo Crennel to Andy Reid can make, either. The difference between a bumbling, incompetent head coach and even an average one is staggering. And given that the AFC is somewhat down this year, I think there will be a lot of surprises, and KC can easily be one of them.


I put the Chiefs in the category of a total unknown. They have a talented roster on paper, but could really ened up anywhere between 3-13 and 10-6, with the probability closer to the middle, I think. The Chiefs and Eagles are both unknowns. Could be anywhere for a top 3 pick to a WC team.
 
2013-08-19 08:24:25 PM

k4mi: It has to suck to be a player involved in a trade with the headline "Teams swap failures".


And be described as a crummy receiver.
 
2013-08-19 10:18:32 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: degenerate-afro: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Nobody really expects KC to do much but try to not get the first pick in the 2014 draft.

The Chiefs are expected to be decent this year with Jamaal Charles and Alex Smith.

It's cute when Chiefs Ravens fans get hopeful.

/7-9
//Would be far from shameful given last year's squad.
///While we Raider fans get excited over the possibility of Clowney or maybe Bridgewater.


I'm not sure where in my history of posting I have ever stated I was a Chiefs fan.  What I did state is something that should be obvious.  They are playing in the AFC West, they have a solid running back, a solid QB, and a solid receiver.
 
2013-08-19 10:26:07 PM

degenerate-afro: I'm not sure where in my history of posting I have ever stated I was a Chiefs fan.  What I did state is something that should be obvious.  They are playing in the AFC West, they have a solid running back, a solid QB, and a solid receiver.


Sorry to peg you with those stump jumping yokels. I always tend to be leery of the team that jagoffs like Ashley Fox and the rest of the ESPN Scooby gang are talking up.  Especially when that team still has no #2 WR or stability at TE, a rookie RT and an unhappy LT.  Not to mention Andy Reid who couldn't manage two minute drill planning Madden on Easy mode.

/And those 6 Pro Bowlers from last year?
//About 2 deserved it.
 
2013-08-19 11:18:52 PM
theawesomeboston.com

/Not Troy Brown... but I thought this was him, so I posted it anyways
 
2013-08-19 11:59:56 PM
AJ Jenkins is the only WR taken in the 1st round since the merger in 1970 that never caught a pass for the team that drafted him.

Wrong -  he did catch 1 pass last week, then promptly fumbled it
 
2013-08-20 03:37:36 AM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: ...and Andy Reid clock mismanagement will blow one of those wins, no matter who they have a wide receiver.


Yeah, what the hell is that? I don't follow Andy Reid's every game, but when I watch him coach when he's playing my team, or a game that directly affects my team/night game, he manages to f*ck up the clock somehow.
 
2013-08-20 04:52:12 AM
DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Niners are supposed to win the SB this season

As a wild card team?   Because Seattle is winning the division.

/Still pissed that I lost money on the niners last SB
// Never bet against a QB named "Joe" in the SB
 
2013-08-20 08:14:32 AM
What a farking waste. Sheesh
 
2013-08-20 10:08:50 AM
Another great draft moment in the tenure of Scott Pioli.
 
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