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2013-08-19 06:24:27 PM
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com ?
 
2013-08-19 06:49:42 PM
I loved it a few years when UK and Pitt played in a bowl game sponsored by a bank that didn't have a branch within 300 miles of either Lexington or Pittsburgh.
 
2013-08-19 07:03:33 PM
Clicked the link expecting some matchup of B1G, AAC, and ACC.

Leaving bitterly disappointed.
 
2013-08-19 07:09:35 PM
The Law of Unintended Consequences has kicked in.

Now that there were mega conference mergers, the mid-majors had to bring in teams from FCS and Division 2 to survive with a reasonable size.

More FBS teams means more (toilet) bowl games! Everyone who goes 7-6 must play in the post-season!
 
2013-08-19 07:13:37 PM
At least it's only a 25,000 seat stadium. That way they have a chance of being half-full.
 
2013-08-19 07:26:01 PM
It is getting to the point where it is like youth sports where everybody gets a trophy, except in this case it is a bowl game.
 
2013-08-19 07:27:30 PM
Well, at least the schools will cover the bowl organizers for all the unsold tickets. Because it's in the best interest of college athletics for schools to lose money on bowl games so the bowl organizers can get a payday.
 
2013-08-19 07:28:24 PM

Coconut Meat: It is getting to the point where it is like youth sports where everybody gets a trophy, except in this case it is a bowl game.


Well if you have the solution to the talent gaps between small schools and large schools I'd like to hear it.  I got no problem with other conferences having their own championships and bowl games.

Football and Hockey are the top two sports compared to others because there is so much parity in the league,  College football needs to fix itself up.
 
2013-08-19 07:46:49 PM

Warlordtrooper: Coconut Meat: It is getting to the point where it is like youth sports where everybody gets a trophy, except in this case it is a bowl game.

Well if you have the solution to the talent gaps between small schools and large schools I'd like to hear it.  I got no problem with other conferences having their own championships and bowl games.

Football and Hockey are the top two sports compared to others because there is so much parity in the league,  College football needs to fix itself up.


Move the smaller teams down a division. If there are enough teams maybe add a new division.
 
2013-08-19 07:47:12 PM

Warlordtrooper: Coconut Meat: It is getting to the point where it is like youth sports where everybody gets a trophy, except in this case it is a bowl game.

Well if you have the solution to the talent gaps between small schools and large schools I'd like to hear it.  I got no problem with other conferences having their own championships and bowl games.

Football and Hockey are the top two sports compared to others because there is so much parity in the league,  College football needs to fix itself up.


What?

1) There's no parity in NFL football.  There were two teams with a 0.125 winning percentage last year and two teams with a .813 winning percentage.  There have been NFL teams who went through the entire season without a win and teams who went through the entire regular season without a loss.
2) Hockey is in no way one of the "top two sports" by any metric -- individual game attendance, average TV ratings, revenue, whatever.  And I LOVE me some hockey.
 
2013-08-19 08:06:06 PM
I look forward to hearing how many tickets this bowl forces each school to buy, when the schools won't sell 25% of them.
 
2013-08-19 08:08:23 PM
Camellia bowl?  So they actually named it after a KKK cover name?

/remember that episode of All in the Family?
 
2013-08-19 08:10:27 PM
The Camelia Bowl played in the Crampton Bowl. Mark your calenders.
 
2013-08-19 08:15:30 PM

meanmutton: Warlordtrooper: Coconut Meat: It is getting to the point where it is like youth sports where everybody gets a trophy, except in this case it is a bowl game.

Well if you have the solution to the talent gaps between small schools and large schools I'd like to hear it.  I got no problem with other conferences having their own championships and bowl games.

Football and Hockey are the top two sports compared to others because there is so much parity in the league,  College football needs to fix itself up.

What?

1) There's no parity in NFL football.  There were two teams with a 0.125 winning percentage last year and two teams with a .813 winning percentage.  There have been NFL teams who went through the entire season without a win and teams who went through the entire regular season without a loss.
2) Hockey is in no way one of the "top two sports" by any metric -- individual game attendance, average TV ratings, revenue, whatever.  And I LOVE me some hockey.


And in the last 13 years there is only one NFL team without a playoff appearance. The super bowl winner not making the playoffs the following year is a common occurance. As is a team with 4-5 wins one year making the playoffs the next. What would you consider parity?
 
2013-08-19 08:18:58 PM

InfrasonicTom: I look forward to hearing how many tickets this bowl forces each school to buy, when the schools won't sell 25% of them.


Like I mentioned earlier, the stadium only holds 25K, so it can't be all that many.
 
2013-08-19 08:41:19 PM

mattador: meanmutton: Warlordtrooper: Coconut Meat: It is getting to the point where it is like youth sports where everybody gets a trophy, except in this case it is a bowl game.

Well if you have the solution to the talent gaps between small schools and large schools I'd like to hear it.  I got no problem with other conferences having their own championships and bowl games.

Football and Hockey are the top two sports compared to others because there is so much parity in the league,  College football needs to fix itself up.

What?

1) There's no parity in NFL football.  There were two teams with a 0.125 winning percentage last year and two teams with a .813 winning percentage.  There have been NFL teams who went through the entire season without a win and teams who went through the entire regular season without a loss.
2) Hockey is in no way one of the "top two sports" by any metric -- individual game attendance, average TV ratings, revenue, whatever.  And I LOVE me some hockey.

And in the last 13 years there is only one NFL team without a playoff appearance. The super bowl winner not making the playoffs the following year is a common occurance. As is a team with 4-5 wins one year making the playoffs the next. What would you consider parity?


In the same year, a reasonable spread between the winning percentages of the best teams and the worst teams.  Teams going from bad to good in a couple years isn't a sign that the very best teams are about the same as the very worst -- it's a sign that rosters change over at a ridiculously fast rate.  No other major sport has about 1/3 of the roster change over on every team every year.
 
2013-08-19 09:25:08 PM
Can someone explain why we need a bowl named for some horse from England?

resources3.news.com.au
 
2013-08-19 09:33:25 PM
Well I will watch it, if convenient. I have found the better MAC teams to be very entertaining over the past couple of seasons when they have played on Tuesday and Wednesday evenings on TV here in Mac country.
 
2013-08-19 10:52:59 PM
Cramton Bowl is a toilet. The only makeover that would work for it is to tear the whole thing down and start over. Alabama State University has a much nicer stadium a mile or so away. I can't imagine why they wouldn't use it instead.
 
2013-08-19 10:59:40 PM
ASU's Hornet Stadium:
www.astroturf.com

"Renovated" Cramton Bowl:
media.wncftv.com

The capacities are similar though Hornet Stadium is a couple thousand more and has skyboxes and club seats. I wonder if they even asked the university if they wanted to participate instead of using a high school stadium.
 
2013-08-19 11:08:36 PM
It should be called the Chamomile Bowl....and they can drink tea at halftime.
 
2013-08-19 11:14:47 PM

EngineerAU: Cramton Bowl is a toilet. The only makeover that would work for it is to tear the whole thing down and start over. Alabama State University has a much nicer stadium a mile or so away. I can't imagine why they wouldn't use it instead.


Because then they'd have to pay Alabama State?
 
2013-08-19 11:22:07 PM
I care about the MAC

/Ohio U Alum
 
2013-08-19 11:30:11 PM
I have tickets to watch OU cream LA-Monroe this year first game, although Monroe has known to be salty, the eat the razorbacks a couple years ago. Alabama, and should have beat auburn, but went to OT and lost.

There is some good football, but also really bad football in both leagues, watching to of the top teams play might be decent.
 
2013-08-19 11:51:39 PM

Aar1012: I care about the MAC

/Ohio U Alum


Subby can shut his/her whore mouth.

/CMU Chippewa
 
2013-08-19 11:51:57 PM

Kuta: The Law of Unintended Consequences has kicked in.

Now that there were mega conference mergers, the mid-majors had to bring in teams from FCS and Division 2 to survive with a reasonable size.

More FBS teams means more (toilet) bowl games! Everyone who goes 7-6 must play in the post-season!


As opposed to what? Watch a meaningless, sloppy non-competitive NCAA/NBA game? Poker? The next hockey lockout?

Big deal, a bunch of kids from the midwest, who'll never play pro get a trip to Alabama, play on TV, maybe show up on SportsCente and fark a chubby southern girl, why rain on their parade?
 
2013-08-19 11:54:24 PM

meanmutton: mattador: meanmutton: Warlordtrooper: Coconut Meat: It is getting to the point where it is like youth sports where everybody gets a trophy, except in this case it is a bowl game.

Well if you have the solution to the talent gaps between small schools and large schools I'd like to hear it.  I got no problem with other conferences having their own championships and bowl games.

Football and Hockey are the top two sports compared to others because there is so much parity in the league,  College football needs to fix itself up.

What?

1) There's no parity in NFL football.  There were two teams with a 0.125 winning percentage last year and two teams with a .813 winning percentage.  There have been NFL teams who went through the entire season without a win and teams who went through the entire regular season without a loss.
2) Hockey is in no way one of the "top two sports" by any metric -- individual game attendance, average TV ratings, revenue, whatever.  And I LOVE me some hockey.

And in the last 13 years there is only one NFL team without a playoff appearance. The super bowl winner not making the playoffs the following year is a common occurance. As is a team with 4-5 wins one year making the playoffs the next. What would you consider parity?

In the same year, a reasonable spread between the winning percentages of the best teams and the worst teams.  Teams going from bad to good in a couple years isn't a sign that the very best teams are about the same as the very worst -- it's a sign that rosters change over at a ridiculously fast rate.  No other major sport has about 1/3 of the roster change over on every team every year.


That's not parity.
 
2013-08-20 12:08:50 AM

PowerSlacker: Clicked the link expecting some matchup of B1G, AAC, and ACC.

Leaving bitterly disappointed.


As a fan of an ACC team I was honestly pretty worried when I clicked the link.

/Go Jackets
 
2013-08-20 12:17:21 AM
To be fair, while not big league, the MAC does play some very entertaining football..

Of course, they do still play lambs to the wolves when they play most schools from the big five conferences (save for UMD)
 
2013-08-20 12:39:18 AM
Seriously, the Cramton bowl is slightly bigger than your average HS football stadium. Slightly.

And what gift bag do the players get? Their choice of a breakfast combo from Hardees?

/take the sausage, egg, and cheese guys, trust me on this
 
2013-08-20 12:43:16 AM
Oh no there might be more football games! The horror!
 
2013-08-20 02:47:11 AM
So when will there be playoffs so I can care about the sport again?
 
2013-08-20 03:02:05 AM

Tellingthem: Warlordtrooper: Coconut Meat: It is getting to the point where it is like youth sports where everybody gets a trophy, except in this case it is a bowl game.

Well if you have the solution to the talent gaps between small schools and large schools I'd like to hear it.  I got no problem with other conferences having their own championships and bowl games.

Football and Hockey are the top two sports compared to others because there is so much parity in the league,  College football needs to fix itself up.

Move the smaller teams down a division. If there are enough teams maybe add a new division.


Cut the number of scholarships each school can offer.  It worked for mens' basketball.
 
2013-08-20 03:51:23 AM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/9 5 81081/how-schism-college-sports-affect-men-basketball-tournament-colle ge-basketball

The blog above mostly talks about basketball, but this is relevant.

FTA: "College football already is separated to some degree, with the conferences keeping the bowl money and controlling the sport's championship. The NCAA is only in place to administer the rules and regulations. Ackerman, a member of the Knight Commission, thinks "at the very least the NCAA should be compensated," something she would likely find strong resistance to from her conference commissioner colleagues in the ACC, SEC, Pac-12, Big Ten and Big 12.

"[The NCAA] doesn't get any share of football revenue," Ackerman said. "The conferences have it both ways. They want the NCAA to deal with academic eligibility and enforcement, but they don't get any revenue out of the pot.''

 I guess that makes sense. Never really thought about it this way. The NCAA actually like$ the NCAA Ba$ketball Champion$hip. No wonder they want a football playoff that they would control. And no wonder that the BCS is fighting like hell to keep the playoff under their control.
 
2013-08-20 06:09:17 AM

EngineerAU: Cramton Bowl is a toilet. The only makeover that would work for it is to tear the whole thing down and start over. Alabama State University has a much nicer stadium a mile or so away. I can't imagine why they wouldn't use it instead.


Probably because ASU is an FCS team, so they could (theoretically) be playing playoff games by the time the bowl season rolls around. Although it's admittedly quite odd that a bowl game is being done in such a small stadium. Apparently bowl organizers have decided that Alabama is the place to go, and Montgomery is the next biggest city in Alabama without a bowl (watch out for Huntsville to get one next, I guess).

 I still don't understand why the MAC bothers with these bowls. I remember how when BG went to the GMAC bowl (now the GoDaddy bowl) in Mobile, how the team basically lost money on busing an 8-5 team with an apathetic fan base to Alabama when school was firmly out of session. They "made up for it" by bilking enough donors out of their money, but it was kind of a good illustration of the problems. Why would anyone in Mobile, Alabama want to see Bowling Green get trounced by Tulsa? Why would students from Tulsa/Bowling Green want to bus all the way to Mobile to see their teams play a meaningless game when they could be at home with their parents/significant others enjoying the holiday season?

It seems to me that a more regionally sensible bowl system should be implemented for non-Big 5 schools. Like, the best couple of teams from the MAC can have a bowl game in an indoor stadium up north like what they do for the Pizza bowl in Detroit (Indianapolis could also work for this), inviting mid-tier teams from good conferences to perhaps get a competitive game out of it. Ultimately, what I'd love to see is some of these bowls get re-organized into a new system that codifies in-state rivalries. What's better for a team like Northern Illinois... an opportunity to squash some CUSA or Sun Belt team several states away... or an opportunity to take on the Illini or Northwestern? I feel that's got to be way better for ticket revenue/ad interest for those games as well.
 
2013-08-20 07:29:47 AM

jpo2269: To be fair, while not big league, the MAC does play some very entertaining football..

Of course, they do still play lambs to the wolves when they play most schools from the big five conferences (save for UMD)


The MAC has also been just about the most stable conference out of the entire Division 1-A.  They've only had one full-time member leave (Marshall), and two football-only schools (UCF and Temple).
 
2013-08-20 11:41:51 AM

Shrink: Aar1012: I care about the MAC

/Ohio U Alum

Subby can shut his/her whore mouth.

/CMU Chippewa


OMG how can you cheer for a CONFERENCE?!?!?!?!?  Freakin' MAC homers!!

/it's only bad when the SEC is accused of doing it
 
2013-08-20 11:46:08 AM

PluckYew: OMG how can you cheer for a CONFERENCE?!?!?!?!?  Freakin' MAC homers!!


That's not what they said at all, and it's in response to a headline saying no one cares about their conference - and no one at this point knows what bowl it will be. The problem with the SEC is that they cheer for the conference moreso than their own damn school.

/see: every road nonconference game - no one chants anything related to their own school, just S-E-C
 
2013-08-20 01:41:32 PM

Aar1012: I care about the MAC

/Ohio U Alum


Hey, wasn't it funny when the guy who was the Ohio U Bobcat tackled "Brutus" the Buckeye at the OSU game?  And it turned out the guy had taken the job as the mascot JUST to do that?
 
2013-08-20 04:04:22 PM

PluckYew: Shrink: Aar1012: I care about the MAC

/Ohio U Alum

Subby can shut his/her whore mouth.

/CMU Chippewa

OMG how can you cheer for a CONFERENCE?!?!?!?!?  Freakin' MAC homers!!

/it's only bad when the SEC is accused of doing it


There is a difference between 'I'll watch the MAC standings because I want to see how my team is doing and see if they can make a bowl' vs. 'ZOMG TEH SEC IZ TEH BESTEST CONFERENCE AND EVEN THOUGH I'M A VANDY FAN I'LL CHEER FOR 'BAMA SINCE THEY ARE NUMBER ONE. SEC! SEC!'
 
2013-08-20 04:13:07 PM
Don't hate on the Sun Belt. They have had a few upset wins lately over big schools. In the last decade, they've gone from pathetic to merely awful. Give them another 10 years, and they may aspire to sub-par!
 
2013-08-20 10:39:39 PM

StopDaddy: Don't hate on the Sun Belt. They have had a few upset wins lately over big schools


So do FCS teams.
 
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