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(Daily Mail)   CIA confesses to doing something in 1953 that everyone already knew they did 60 years ago   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 162
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2013-08-19 02:29:25 PM
Would this be different than the public admission by a CIA historian in 2007?
 
2013-08-19 02:35:17 PM
You sly dogs. You really had us going there, didn't you?
 
2013-08-19 02:41:12 PM
That whole Shah thing worked out really well, didn't it?
 
2013-08-19 03:21:07 PM

Marcus Aurelius: That whole Shah thing worked out really well, didn't it?


I know.  They should have put this guy into power:

s17.postimg.org
 
2013-08-19 03:36:07 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-19 03:38:17 PM

Marcus Aurelius: That whole Shah thing worked out really well, didn't it?


Well, you can't just let people VOTE for whoever the heck that want.
What kind of a system of government is THAT?
 
2013-08-19 03:39:26 PM

UberDave: Marcus Aurelius: That whole Shah thing worked out really well, didn't it?

I know.  They should have put this guy into power:

[s17.postimg.org image 230x326]


H-how is he doing that?
 
2013-08-19 03:40:33 PM
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

Road-map to democracy in the middle-east. RFLOL
 
2013-08-19 03:40:56 PM
But they still won't admit it was part of a decades-long plan to eventually get Ronald Reagan (PBUH) elected president.

Guess we'll have to wait until 2040.
 
2013-08-19 03:41:50 PM
well how could they know subby?  I mean people didn't realize their phones were being monitored either...

/just sayin'
 
2013-08-19 03:43:06 PM
Thanks for the fascinating revelation, Daily Fail. Needs moar "Newsflash" tag.

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/04/16/world/secrets-history-cia-iran-spe ci al-report-plot-convulsed-iran-53-79.html
 
2013-08-19 03:43:28 PM

I'll share a bit of Greenwald with you.

Isn't Muslim culture just so bizarre, primitive, and inscrutable? As strange as it is, they actually seem to dislike it when foreign militaries bomb, invade and occupy their countries, and Western powers interfere in their internal affairs by overthrowing and covertly manipulating their governments, imposing sanctions that kill hundreds of thousands of Muslim children, and arming their enemies.

Therefore (of course), the solution to Terrorism is to interfere more in their countries by continuing to occupy, bomb, invade, assassinate, lawlessly imprison and control them, because that's the only way we can Stay Safe. There are people over there who are angry at us for what we're doing in their world, so we need to do much more of it to eradicate the anger.

That's the core logic of the War on Terror. How is that working out?
 
2013-08-19 03:44:36 PM
Growing JFK from cloned cells from Hoover's ass to replace the real one who will never be found at the bottom of the Pacific ocean.
 
2013-08-19 03:44:56 PM

Marcus Aurelius: That whole Shah thing worked out really well, didn't it?


It did for a while.

Some would argue that it's still working out because we have someone to demonize.  What good is propaganda if you don't have someone to set up as part of an axis of evil?
 
2013-08-19 03:45:04 PM
I still dont believe it, when will these CIA truthers take their tinfoil hats off
 
2013-08-19 03:46:22 PM
I have been assured that they simply hate us for our freedom.
I think it was some mildly retarded president that told me that.
 
2013-08-19 03:46:22 PM

cc_rider: Thanks for the fascinating revelation, Daily Fail. Needs moar "Newsflash" tag.

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/04/16/world/secrets-history-cia-iran-spe ci al-report-plot-convulsed-iran-53-79.html


Guess the news is now they're admitting it, unlike before when it was just leaked
 
2013-08-19 03:46:29 PM

Lochsteppe: But they still won't admit it was part of a decades-long plan to eventually get Ronald Reagan (PBUH) elected president.

Guess we'll have to wait until 2040.


That was the FBI and they already were forced to release their documentation
 
2013-08-19 03:49:37 PM
Yeah, and they set up Saddam to be a dictator just to knock him over, too.
durr
 
2013-08-19 03:50:18 PM

Marcus Aurelius: That whole Shah thing worked out really well, didn't it?


Indeed.

/ we should really stop with the nation building; it always comes back and bites us in the ass.
 
2013-08-19 03:50:39 PM
That's ok. We didn't have a choice, because as other farkers always tell me, isolationism is bad. Sovereighnty for me, and none for thee, motherfarkers!!!
 
2013-08-19 03:50:54 PM

protectyourlimbs: I still dont believe it, when will these CIA truthers take their tinfoil hats off


I really hope that you are being sarcastic.
 
2013-08-19 03:52:15 PM

iheartscotch: Marcus Aurelius: That whole Shah thing worked out really well, didn't it?

Indeed.

/ we should really stop with the nation building; it always comes back and bites us in the ass.


If Bush Jr.s presidency taught me anything, it's that our past actions have NO bearing on current situations, and terrorists simply hate us because we're so gosh darn awesome.
 
2013-08-19 03:52:42 PM

NutWrench: Marcus Aurelius: That whole Shah thing worked out really well, didn't it?

Well, you can't just let people VOTE for whoever the heck that want.
What kind of a system of government is THAT?


It's not working as well as you think. People are voting against their interests because they think one day they'll be rich by their hard work. As if hard work ever produced riches.
 
2013-08-19 03:53:57 PM

Marcus Aurelius: That whole Shah thing worked out really well, didn't it?


As a way to keep funding the intelligence and military complex...absolutely it has
 
2013-08-19 03:54:45 PM
The real evil wasn't the coup, it was the creation of SAVAK, the secret police of Iran, as brutal as any the world has ever seen. Created, from the ground up, by CIA and Mossad.

But remember, they hate us for our freedom and they hate Israel because they're just anti-semites.
 
2013-08-19 03:54:51 PM
i.imgur.com

Thinks they also caused the Managua earthquake ... but he can't prove it.
 
2013-08-19 03:54:52 PM
Yeah, the looming war with Iran will otherwise be known as #operationfoolmetwice
 
2013-08-19 03:54:54 PM

BullBearMS: I'll share a bit of Greenwald with you.
Isn't Muslim culture just so bizarre, primitive, and inscrutable? As strange as it is, they actually seem to dislike it when foreign militaries bomb, invade and occupy their countries, and Western powers interfere in their internal affairs by overthrowing and covertly manipulating their governments, imposing sanctions that kill hundreds of thousands of Muslim children, and arming their enemies.

Therefore (of course), the solution to Terrorism is to interfere more in their countries by continuing to occupy, bomb, invade, assassinate, lawlessly imprison and control them, because that's the only way we can Stay Safe. There are people over there who are angry at us for what we're doing in their world, so we need to do much more of it to eradicate the anger.

That's the core logic of the War on Terror. How is that working out?


Jes fiiiine, smiles the "defense" industries.
 
2013-08-19 03:55:15 PM
And we've been paying the price for it ever since.

/Now if only the CIA would learn from their mistakes
//and pigs could fly
 
2013-08-19 03:56:12 PM
Merry X-mas from Mommy and Uncle Kermit.
 
2013-08-19 03:56:50 PM
Cold War politics, folks. Look at the context. It didn't matter if the Shah was a dictator as long as he was anti-Communist.
 
2013-08-19 03:57:35 PM

BullBearMS: I'll share a bit of Greenwald with you.
Isn't Muslim culture just so bizarre, primitive, and inscrutable? As strange as it is, they actually seem to dislike it when foreign militaries bomb, invade and occupy their countries, and Western powers interfere in their internal affairs by overthrowing and covertly manipulating their governments, imposing sanctions that kill hundreds of thousands of Muslim children, and arming their enemies.

Therefore (of course), the solution to Terrorism is to interfere more in their countries by continuing to occupy, bomb, invade, assassinate, lawlessly imprison and control them, because that's the only way we can Stay Safe. There are people over there who are angry at us for what we're doing in their world, so we need to do much more of it to eradicate the anger.

That's the core logic of the War on Terror. How is that working out?


www.sadlyno.com
Bill Kristol not sure if serious.
 
2013-08-19 03:57:43 PM
See, if the middle east didn't have OIL, would anyone give a flying f*ck about them?  Nope, which is why countries should drill for their own, instead of playing pussyfoot with these 12th century morons.
 
2013-08-19 03:57:48 PM

Astorix: Yeah, the looming war with Iran will otherwise be known as #operationfoolmetwice


It will probably be Syria first, the CIA is repeating the same game plan.  But it might take awhile if Russia actually steps up as Syria's ally.
 
2013-08-19 03:59:16 PM
So, all we have to do is wait 10 years for them to admit what they were up to in 1963?
 
2013-08-19 04:00:57 PM

cirrhosis_and_halitosis: It will probably be Syria first, the CIA is repeating the same game plan. But it might take awhile if Russia actually steps up as Syria's ally.


The red tape for rebels to get weapons from us require they fill out forms that promise us they won't turn around and use them against us.

.....I seriously wish I was joking there
 
2013-08-19 04:02:37 PM
At this point it's easier to list the countries the CIA hasn't screwed with.

/...The UK... maybe
 
2013-08-19 04:04:47 PM

p51d007: See, if the middle east didn't have OIL, would anyone give a flying f*ck about them?  Nope, which is why countries should drill for their own, instead of playing pussyfoot with these 12th century morons.


Are you proposing nationalizing our oil supply? Isn't that what made us overthrow the Iranian leader in question and install our own?
 
2013-08-19 04:05:18 PM

Bob The Nob: [i.imgur.com image 679x362]

Thinks they also caused the Managua earthquake ... but he can't prove it.


Cattle mutilations are up.
 
2013-08-19 04:05:21 PM
And I really doubt if they went to the trouble of forms, no paper trail.

But it makes sense in the context of usual US short-term thinking.  As long as they can get a puppet in power they'll deal with the fallout later.
 
2013-08-19 04:06:52 PM

BullBearMS: I'll share a bit of Greenwald with you.
Isn't Muslim culture just so bizarre, primitive, and inscrutable? As strange as it is, they actually seem to dislike it when foreign militaries bomb, invade and occupy their countries, and Western powers interfere in their internal affairs by overthrowing and covertly manipulating their governments, imposing sanctions that kill hundreds of thousands of Muslim children, and arming their enemies.

Therefore (of course), the solution to Terrorism is to interfere more in their countries by continuing to occupy, bomb, invade, assassinate, lawlessly imprison and control them, because that's the only way we can Stay Safe. There are people over there who are angry at us for what we're doing in their world, so we need to do much more of it to eradicate the anger.

That's the core logic of the War on Terror. How is that working out?


As much as I agree with the sentiment here, I also want to know what he suggests be done instead. Not even sanctions, which are a nonviolent means?
 
2013-08-19 04:07:02 PM
Arghh, above was meant for IdBeCrazyIf

/ too lazy for preview
 
2013-08-19 04:07:23 PM

p51d007: See, if the middle east didn't have OIL, would anyone give a flying f*ck about them?



......"Mubarak aired his views on the U.S.'s role in the Middle East, stating "all what concerns America is guaranteeing Israel's security."

Oil is a factor but at the same time a canard to stop us from examining the reasons for US foreign policy.

republicanredefined.com
 
2013-08-19 04:08:18 PM
Yeah, I thought this was pretty common knowledge, too, but it's nice to let the actual docs see the light of day. To me, the Iran thing combined with the Suez crisis always symbolized the end of British imperialism. It took a while for everything to wind down, but when the UK couldn't project enough power to control events in the middle east, that's when I always thought that they were done as an empire.

Gotta love the Daily Fail though:
FTFA: It is unclear why intelligence chiefs have now decided to own up to the true origins of the coup.

(first line in the "story":)

Today marks the 60th anniversary of the coup in Iran which deposed prime minister Mohammad Mossadegh after he restricted the flow of oil to the West.

Duh. Secrecy time is 60 years.
 
2013-08-19 04:10:04 PM

JonBuck: BullBearMS: I'll share a bit of Greenwald with you.
Isn't Muslim culture just so bizarre, primitive, and inscrutable? As strange as it is, they actually seem to dislike it when foreign militaries bomb, invade and occupy their countries, and Western powers interfere in their internal affairs by overthrowing and covertly manipulating their governments, imposing sanctions that kill hundreds of thousands of Muslim children, and arming their enemies.

Therefore (of course), the solution to Terrorism is to interfere more in their countries by continuing to occupy, bomb, invade, assassinate, lawlessly imprison and control them, because that's the only way we can Stay Safe. There are people over there who are angry at us for what we're doing in their world, so we need to do much more of it to eradicate the anger.

That's the core logic of the War on Terror. How is that working out?

As much as I agree with the sentiment here, I also want to know what he suggests be done instead. Not even sanctions, which are a nonviolent means?



Sanctions are an act of war. Sanctions on Iraq accounted for many thousands of deaths.
 
2013-08-19 04:11:38 PM
BullBearMS
2013-08-19 03:43:28 PM

I'll share a bit of Greenwald with you.

Isn't Muslim culture just so bizarre, primitive, and inscrutable? As strange as it is, they actually seem to dislike it when foreign militaries bomb, invade and occupy their countries, and Western powers interfere in their internal affairs by overthrowing and covertly manipulating their governments, imposing sanctions that kill hundreds of thousands of Muslim children, and arming their enemies.

Therefore (of course), the solution to Terrorism is to interfere more in their countries by continuing to occupy, bomb, invade, assassinate, lawlessly imprison and control them, because that's the only way we can Stay Safe. There are people over there who are angry at us for what we're doing in their world, so we need to do much more of it to eradicate the anger.

How did 8 years of clinton pandering to them work. Ohhhh that's right.
 
2013-08-19 04:12:30 PM

JonBuck: BullBearMS: I'll share a bit of Greenwald with you.
Isn't Muslim culture just so bizarre, primitive, and inscrutable? As strange as it is, they actually seem to dislike it when foreign militaries bomb, invade and occupy their countries, and Western powers interfere in their internal affairs by overthrowing and covertly manipulating their governments, imposing sanctions that kill hundreds of thousands of Muslim children, and arming their enemies.

Therefore (of course), the solution to Terrorism is to interfere more in their countries by continuing to occupy, bomb, invade, assassinate, lawlessly imprison and control them, because that's the only way we can Stay Safe. There are people over there who are angry at us for what we're doing in their world, so we need to do much more of it to eradicate the anger.

That's the core logic of the War on Terror. How is that working out?

As much as I agree with the sentiment here, I also want to know what he suggests be done instead. Not even sanctions, which are a nonviolent means?


He appears to be suggesting that the US would be better served by leaving the rest of the world the fark alone.  US meddling created anti-American terrorists in the first place.  Continued meddling just creates more.  And that's if you don't believe that the US wasn't behind some of the 'terrorism' in the first place.  It's been shown time after time that the CIA has less than honorable interests.
 
2013-08-19 04:17:27 PM

whither_apophis: At this point it's easier to list the countries the CIA hasn't screwed with.

/...The UK... maybe



Not that they are aware of, anyway. Hehe.
 
2013-08-19 04:17:51 PM

cirrhosis_and_halitosis: Arghh, above was meant for IdBeCrazyIf

/ too lazy for preview


I figured, and no seriously they make rebel groups sign agreements before weapons are shipped. I'll see if I can dig up the NPR report on it from a little while back.
 
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