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(Ottawa Sun)   Toronto cop who murdered a teenager on an empty streetcar is actually being charged with murder. Canada really is like a whole other country   (ottawasun.com) divider line 77
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2013-08-19 12:26:27 PM
I seem to remember a bunch of Farkers who patiently explained to the rest of us how deadly force was completely justified in this situation. I wonder if they'll be back?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-19 12:39:56 PM

ginandbacon: I seem to remember a bunch of Farkers who patiently explained to the rest of us how deadly force was completely justified in this situation. I wonder if they'll be back?


Not if he shot the kid while he was lying down.  I don't think that would fly anywhere.  Maybe Texas.
 
2013-08-19 12:46:00 PM
FTFA:   Then, nearly 10 seconds later, as Yatim lay on his back on the floor of the streetcar, the officer let loose another six shots.

Almost two minutes later, another officer entered the back doors of the streetcar and Tasered Yatim.



Ok, that definitely falls into the category of 'unnecessary tazering'.
 
2013-08-19 01:59:37 PM
I hope this isn't some political bullshiat just to get the angry public off the their backs.
 
2013-08-19 02:00:26 PM

unyon: FTFA:   Then, nearly 10 seconds later, as Yatim lay on his back on the floor of the streetcar, the officer let loose another six shots.

Almost two minutes later, another officer entered the back doors of the streetcar and Tasered Yatim.


Ok, that definitely falls into the category of 'unnecessary tazering'.


"And STAY down!"
 
2013-08-19 02:05:03 PM

unyon: FTFA:   Then, nearly 10 seconds later, as Yatim lay on his back on the floor of the streetcar, the officer let loose another six shots.

Almost two minutes later, another officer entered the back doors of the streetcar and Tasered Yatim.


Ok, that definitely falls into the category of 'unnecessary tazering'.


In Canada, it's called tehzering
 
2013-08-19 02:13:10 PM

gopher321: I hope this isn't some political bullshiat just to get the angry public off the their backs.


...And they'll plea down to dangerous use of a firearm or some other bullshiat slap on the wrist and that will be that. again.
Here is not that different, subby.
 
2013-08-19 02:14:11 PM

vpb: ginandbacon: I seem to remember a bunch of Farkers who patiently explained to the rest of us how deadly force was completely justified in this situation. I wonder if they'll be back?

Not if he shot the kid while he was lying down.  I don't think that would fly anywhere.  Maybe Texas.


Justification all depends on whether he let go of his Skittles.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-19 02:17:35 PM

I_Am_Weasel: Justification all depends on whether he let go of his Skittles.


You can put an eye out with those.
 
2013-08-19 03:10:37 PM

vpb: ginandbacon: I seem to remember a bunch of Farkers who patiently explained to the rest of us how deadly force was completely justified in this situation. I wonder if they'll be back?

Not if he shot the kid while he was lying down.  I don't think that would fly anywhere.  Maybe Texas.


It "flew" in California
 
2013-08-19 03:23:17 PM

timujin: vpb: ginandbacon: I seem to remember a bunch of Farkers who patiently explained to the rest of us how deadly force was completely justified in this situation. I wonder if they'll be back?

Not if he shot the kid while he was lying down.  I don't think that would fly anywhere.  Maybe Texas.

It "flew" in California


I really need to see Fruitvale. It's been on my list for weeks.
 
2013-08-19 03:29:57 PM
Altogether?
 
2013-08-19 03:30:32 PM
He was just trying to get to his vehicle.

i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2013-08-19 03:32:03 PM

blatz514: Altogether?


Righnow.
 
2013-08-19 03:33:20 PM

sno man: gopher321: I hope this isn't some political bullshiat just to get the angry public off the their backs.

...And they'll plea down to dangerous use of a firearm or some other bullshiat slap on the wrist and that will be that. again.
Here is not that different, subby.


Subby is actually Canadian and knows full well that this this all for show, but trolling as many groups as possible in the headline increases the chances of getting a greenlight. It worked!
 
2013-08-19 03:36:00 PM
That Philly cop who punched a woman in the face at a parade (captured on video) was "charged" and even lost his job for a while, but he was reinstated with back-pay after the storm was over. Charges don't mean much if there are no consequences.
 
2013-08-19 03:37:17 PM
...a shooting that was captured on video and sparked outrage from the public

The difference...
 
2013-08-19 03:38:33 PM
Well, he fired six more times after he was down.  That would be murder in the US too.
 
2013-08-19 03:38:59 PM

unyon: FTFA:   Then, nearly 10 seconds later, as Yatim lay on his back on the floor of the streetcar, the officer let loose another six shots.

Almost two minutes later, another officer entered the back doors of the streetcar and Tasered Yatim.


Ok, that definitely falls into the category of 'unnecessary tazering'.


STOP RESISTING SIR! STOP RESISTING!
 
2013-08-19 03:40:20 PM

Bigdogdaddy: Well, he fired six more times after he was down.  That would be murder in the US too.


yeah, but I guess he'll deal with it when he's back from vacay...
 
2013-08-19 03:43:35 PM
Toronto cop who murdered a teenager on an empty streetcar is actually being charged with murder.

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Penalty. On the submitter. 15 yards for begging the question. Loss of 5 greenlights, repeat a Caturday thread.

/sorry. It's Canada. "15 meters..."
 
2013-08-19 03:48:20 PM
I recall that video.  The only thing that scared me about was how they had no problem blasting at the guy so many times.  Then I read it was Canada and got very confused.  I guess they have bad shot dumb cops up there too.
 
2013-08-19 03:53:03 PM
Stupid Canadians, you come to America to kill children and then the police help you cover it up.
g-ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-08-19 03:54:18 PM
yeah, fark this guy
well okay, yeah, that's bad
 
2013-08-19 03:59:44 PM
Well, this is unusual enough that all my friends, most of whom are Toronto lawyers, were pretty shocked the cop was actually charged. We're not that different.

/wake me up if he actually gets convicted of any form of homicide, not some bullshiat weapons charge.
 
2013-08-19 03:59:44 PM

Bigdogdaddy: Well, he fired six more times after he was down.  That would be murder in the US too.


THIS.

If he had stopped shooting after the first 3 shots then I would have no issue with it.  People can biatch and moan all they want about "de-escalation" and what they should have done, and how the victim was just "an innocent boy", he wasn't.I don't care if it's a knife, if he's within 21 ft of the cop and still advancing then the cop is perfectly justified in shooting him.  And he ISN'T an INNOCENT BOY, he's an adult who pulled out a knife on a bus and ordered everyone off.

With all that I would have no problem declaring this a justified shoot, although I would have had questions about why he was the only one who felt the need to open fire.

However, once he paused ... then fired 6 more shots.  Then I have serious problems with the shooting.  Maybe there is some justification that we haven't heard yet, but the balance of probabilities says that there isn't.  He won't be convicted of murder though, more likely some variant of manslaughter, should be an interesting case.
 
2013-08-19 03:59:47 PM

BATMANATEE: sno man: gopher321: I hope this isn't some political bullshiat just to get the angry public off the their backs.

...And they'll plea down to dangerous use of a firearm or some other bullshiat slap on the wrist and that will be that. again.
Here is not that different, subby.

Subby is actually Canadian and knows full well that this this all for show, but trolling as many groups as possible in the headline increases the chances of getting a greenlight. It worked!


Agreed. Eat a bag of dicks trollmitter.
 
2013-08-19 04:01:05 PM

Uzzah: Toronto cop who murdered a teenager on an empty streetcar is actually being charged with murder.

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Penalty. On the submitter. 15 yards for begging the question. Loss of 5 greenlights, repeat a Caturday thread.

/sorry. It's Canada. "15 meters..."


It`s cool. We still use yards for our football. All 110 of them.
 
2013-08-19 04:09:08 PM

Glenford: It`s cool. We still use yards for our football. All 110 of them


And the exchange rate jokes continue.
 
2013-08-19 04:09:35 PM
The extra 6 shots were to make sure the kid was dead to avoid him testifying at a trial. Even if the first 3 shots were necessary (and I don't believe they were) the last 6, when the kid was already down, were not about stopping a threat, they were specifically to murder the only non-police witness to the kid's state of mind and the first 3 shots.

I suspect that the tazering, if there had been no video, would have been re-ordered to have happened before the shooting, to try to demonstrate that the kid wouldn't stay down even after a tazering and had to be shot.

Cops didn't know that iPhone cameras were rolling. If not for those citizen iPhone heroes, cops would have gotten away with it. Without that video, cops agree on a story, and get off. Every time. They know how the game is played.
 
2013-08-19 04:12:29 PM

gopher321: unyon: FTFA:   Then, nearly 10 seconds later, as Yatim lay on his back on the floor of the streetcar, the officer let loose another six shots.

Almost two minutes later, another officer entered the back doors of the streetcar and Tasered Yatim.


Ok, that definitely falls into the category of 'unnecessary tazering'.

"And STAY down!"


Now, there's a bunch of PWC auditors who are wondering why I'm laughinf during a security review.
 
2013-08-19 04:18:17 PM
It's Canada.
The officer will eventually get to court in like 2-4 years after his many obstructionist delays.
He will obstruct justice by using words to attack the victims next of kin in court to blame them for his incompetence.
He'll be given a 2 year prison sentence in country club prison. Released in 2 months.
His record will be sealed.
Rehired and given backpay.
TaDa!

/Oh wait. That was that Alberta cop a few years ago.
//That Vancouver copper who executed guy on the street will walk free due to the video of him doing it was obstructed by the car he was behind. Justice is blind and ignorant.
 
2013-08-19 04:19:38 PM

Glenford: Uzzah: Penalty. On the submitter. 15 yards for begging the question. Loss of 5 greenlights, repeat a Caturday thread.

/sorry. It's Canada. "15 meters..."

It`s cool. We still use yards for our football. All 110 of them.


Oh, well I guess that's just fine the-- a'whaaaat?
 
2013-08-19 04:30:23 PM
 
2013-08-19 04:40:40 PM
Fired six more shots after the perp was already down, that's what did it. Given the account of the incident printed here, I would say that deadly force was justified, BUT you can't just blast the guy when he's already down. There is a very important detail there that many wishing to compare this to other well publicized incidents will conveniently gloss over. Lets see what the jury decides though.
 
2013-08-19 04:45:28 PM

monoski: That Philly cop who punched a woman in the face at a parade (captured on video) was "charged" and even lost his job for a while, but he was reinstated with back-pay after the storm was over. Charges don't mean much if there are no consequences.


Hm. I hadn't even realized he'd been charged. I wonder if they threw him a big party at the FOP hall like they did (or at least appeared to do) for those cops who got reinstated after beating and stomping the everliving fark out of three dudes a couple of years back.

/To be fair, her face probably hurt his fist a bit, so he deserves that back pay.
//Philly urgently needs cops like him back on the street--random innocent civilians aren't just going to assault themselves and there are only so many badgeless criminals to dish out the beatings
 
2013-08-19 04:46:15 PM

James10952001: Given the account of the incident printed here, I would say that deadly force was justified


There's a video at the bottom of the article.  There's no reason why he shouldn't have used his tazer first (or even trying to negotiate with the dude, but that would make too much sense).
 
2013-08-19 04:49:30 PM

LeroyBourne: I recall that video.  The only thing that scared me about was how they had no problem blasting at the guy so many times.  Then I read it was Canada and got very confused.  I guess they have bad shot dumb cops up there too.


Metric shots, eh. You double them and add 30.

/That's why Canadian barfies are so scary.
 
2013-08-19 04:50:20 PM

sendtodave: blatz514: Altogether?

Righnow.


A whole nother.
 
2013-08-19 04:51:35 PM
Does Canada send like a swat team with automatic weapons and APCs to serve misdemenor warrants?
 
2013-08-19 04:55:30 PM

Oldiron_79: Does Canada send like a swat team with automatic weapons and APCs to serve misdemenor warrants?


not yet, I don't think, but I'm sure there are a few police chiefs who drool at the cool toys their American counterparts have.
 
2013-08-19 05:01:54 PM

monoski: That Philly cop who punched a woman in the face at a parade (captured on video) was "charged" and even lost his job for a while, but he was reinstated with back-pay after the storm was over. Charges don't mean much if there are no consequences.


A nice restful paid vacation is a consequence ... of law enforcement being above the law.
 
2013-08-19 05:11:45 PM
The Bay Area must be foreign to subby too...or @ least on New Year's Eve before a hundred cellphones w/video...
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2013-08-19 05:16:48 PM

sheep snorter: It's Canada.
The officer will eventually get to court in like 2-4 years after his many obstructionist delays.
He will obstruct justice by using words to attack the victims next of kin in court to blame them for his incompetence.
He'll be given a 2 year prison sentence in country club prison. Released in 2 months.
His record will be sealed.
Rehired and given backpay.
TaDa!


Oh the good old 2 for 1 time served credit BS.  Fun fact, it's not even in our justice code, judges just started doing it.
 
2013-08-19 05:26:40 PM

Flappyhead: sheep snorter: It's Canada.
The officer will eventually get to court in like 2-4 years after his many obstructionist delays.
He will obstruct justice by using words to attack the victims next of kin in court to blame them for his incompetence.
He'll be given a 2 year prison sentence in country club prison. Released in 2 months.
His record will be sealed.
Rehired and given backpay.
TaDa!

Oh the good old 2 for 1 time served credit BS.  Fun fact, it's not even in our justice code, judges just started doing it.


Didn't that get ditched last year?
 
2013-08-19 05:31:36 PM

CokeBear: The extra 6 shots were to make sure the kid was dead to avoid him testifying at a trial. Even if the first 3 shots were necessary (and I don't believe they were) the last 6, when the kid was already down, were not about stopping a threat, they were specifically to murder the only non-police witness to the kid's state of mind and the first 3 shots.

I suspect that the tazering, if there had been no video, would have been re-ordered to have happened before the shooting, to try to demonstrate that the kid wouldn't stay down even after a tazering and had to be shot.

Cops didn't know that iPhone cameras were rolling. If not for those citizen iPhone heroes, cops would have gotten away with it. Without that video, cops agree on a story, and get off. Every time. They know how the game is played.


And that's why cops don't like being filmed.
 
2013-08-19 05:34:32 PM

Uzzah: /sorry. It's Canada. "15 meters..."


It's Canada.  15 metres.

/sorry
 
2013-08-19 05:34:57 PM
Your Canadian legal system frightens and confuses me.

dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-08-19 05:42:40 PM
vpb: ginandbacon: I seem to remember a bunch of Farkers who patiently explained to the rest of us how deadly force was completely justified in this situation. I wonder if they'll be back?

Not if he shot the kid while he was lying down.  I don't think that would fly anywhere.  Maybe Texas.


Or San Francisco ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUs_6yTcLW4
 
2013-08-19 05:43:16 PM
Yeah , don't buy your party hats just yet . Many times the police here have out and out murdered people and have got set free because we have a court system that thinks that police can do no wrong
 
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