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(NYPost)   Local critics outraged that Upper West Side luxury tower will have a separate back entrance for the poor people on floors with affordable housing   (nypost.com) divider line 160
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2013-08-19 11:46:05 AM
That's called the employees entrance.
 
2013-08-19 12:19:14 PM
Why "affordable housing" laws are stupid.
 
2013-08-19 12:19:43 PM
Where's the hipster door?
 
2013-08-19 12:19:50 PM
i'm ok with this .jpg
 
2013-08-19 12:20:17 PM
aw yissssss!
 
2013-08-19 12:20:28 PM
stockfresh.com
 
2013-08-19 12:21:10 PM

WTF Indeed


Where's the hipster door?


It's the poor person's door, but the hipsters use it ironically.
 
2013-08-19 12:22:05 PM
The goal of the inclusionary housing rule isn't to let poor people live with rich people. It's to make sure that poor people are not completely locked out of an area due to prices. These poor people are getting an apartment in a prime location. That they don't get the doorman and concierge service reflects their monthly rent payments.

In a year, their entrance and elevator will be busted and filthy. That's what the building owners are trying to avoid on the "rich" side.
 
2013-08-19 12:22:08 PM
I read that as black entrance and it still made perfect sense.
 
2013-08-19 12:22:39 PM
I thought everyone wanted something to call their "own", isn't that why everyone thinks they are so farking special?
 
2013-08-19 12:23:46 PM

inner ted: i'm ok with this .jpg


Yeah, me too. Why is this an issue?
 
2013-08-19 12:23:58 PM
I like it.  Rich people are asshole scum.  Why should you be forced to mingle with them?
 
2013-08-19 12:24:01 PM
Who cares? If the affordable housing people would be embarrassed living here, then they don't have to. I'm just surprised they think the swanky condos will sell for that much. If I had that kind cash I wouldn't want to live in the same building as affordable housing. I've lived in affordable housing before. It is 10% decent people working on their lives and 90% lazy drug using welfare cases that think domestic violence is a form of love.
 
2013-08-19 12:24:55 PM
Thisisanoutrage!.jpg

Maybe? Not sure what to think about this.
 
2013-08-19 12:25:02 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: The goal of the inclusionary housing rule isn't to let poor people live with rich people. It's to make sure that poor people are not completely locked out of an area due to prices. These poor people are getting an apartment in a prime location. That they don't get the doorman and concierge service reflects their monthly rent payments.

In a year, their entrance and elevator will be busted and filthy. That's what the building owners are trying to avoid on the "rich" side.



It would be very interesting to run a sociology experiment on this.

Group A: separate but equal entrances. Same decor, same doorman service, same ratio of elevators to residents.
Group B: separate and unequal entrances. Low-cost housing has no doorman, a plain interior, and more crowding on the elevators.
 
2013-08-19 12:25:22 PM
I live in a condo in Jersey with a few COAH units.  It just occurred to me that I must be sharing an elevator with some of these leaches.  How horrid.

/Seriously.  If you are living in New York, you will run into literally every strata of the social and economic ladder.   I can't imagine someone refusing to buy because of some affordable hosing units.  Though I also wonder if the whole separate management thing isn't a way to mitigate the problem of maintenance fees.  An affordable housing tenant/owner would likely find their share of the "luxury" amenities too expensive and conflicts over subsidized maintenance could get heated.
 
2013-08-19 12:26:09 PM
They've met the developer incentive criteria it appears. Critics are in the wrong here. The low income portion is a separate development. If people are offended by this "poor people entrance" (which it isn't) they don't have to live there.
 
2013-08-19 12:26:22 PM
These tax subsidies need to go away anyway. You have property owners all over Manhattan subsidizing multi-million dollar condos and developers.

Think about all the property tax revenue the city loses by cutting the sweet heart deals with developers. MSG hasn't paid property tax since the 1980s.
 
2013-08-19 12:26:32 PM
I have no problem with, it will help when the revolution comes

KNOCK KNOCK
Hello?
We are here to overthrow your bourgeois ways you scumsucking capitalist!
I'm sorry you have the wrong home, didn't you see the poor folks entrance sign out front? The fat cats you are looking for have the entrance round the corner
 
2013-08-19 12:28:46 PM
There's a lot of room on freight elevator.
 
2013-08-19 12:29:14 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: The goal of the inclusionary housing rule isn't to let poor people live with rich people. It's to make sure that poor people are not completely locked out of an area due to prices. These poor people are getting an apartment in a prime location. That they don't get the doorman and concierge service reflects their monthly rent payments.

In a year, their entrance and elevator will be busted and filthy. That's what the building owners are trying to avoid on the "rich" side.


Yeah, except the point of inclusionary housing is exactly to allow the rich and poor to live in the same building and mingle. Because we discovered in NYC that when those things happen, you actually get creativity. When you segregate people by income or class (or really any kind of similarity) you get a lack of creativity. You get a dearth of culture. 

And if you think that the 'poor' people they're talking about are actually 'poor', you don't know New York. The 'poor' people they're talking about are college grads just starting out with friends in the building and on the condo board. They'll rent the place out at the initial price (1000$ or so per month for a shoebox) and then when they have enough to buy (having saved thousands every year in housing expenses) they'll buy a condo and sublet the shoebox out for $2500 or so, and it will fill FAST.
 
2013-08-19 12:29:22 PM
Screw 'em.  I'd go in the richie entrance just so I could pee in their elevator.
 
2013-08-19 12:30:13 PM
i'm a libby lib, and i can't seem to get outraged that the affordable housing apartments don't have a water view.  They may not have Donald Trump next door, but they aren't completely priced out of the area.
 
2013-08-19 12:30:21 PM
Having to enter the "poor" part of the building through the sewer system does seem a little excessive.
 
2013-08-19 12:30:28 PM
Conveniently, the poor will also have their own water fountains and bathrooms.
 
2013-08-19 12:30:34 PM
Hahahaha! Compare your pathetic lives to theirs and then kill yourselves.
 
2013-08-19 12:32:39 PM
I'm worried there won't be enough helicopter parking spaces on the roof.
 
2013-08-19 12:32:40 PM
If I was rich, why would I buy in the same building with poor people?
 
2013-08-19 12:32:54 PM

hailin: Who cares? If the affordable housing people would be embarrassed living here, then they don't have to. I'm just surprised they think the swanky condos will sell for that much. If I had that kind cash I wouldn't want to live in the same building as affordable housing. I've lived in affordable housing before. It is 10% decent people working on their lives and 90% lazy drug using welfare cases that think domestic violence is a form of love.


In the lofts in downtown Denver the subsidized housing invariably goes to hot 20 something student/artistic types.  The section 8 housing is full of users and abusers but those are entire buildings or projects.  With affordable housing in the nice buildings the staff gets to choose the "poor" people who get to live there.  I lived in a subsidized apartment in a high rise.  My roommate and I just had to get our bosses to sign forms saying we made way less then we actually did.
 
2013-08-19 12:33:25 PM


AverageAmericanGuy

The goal of the inclusionary housing rule isn't to let poor people live with rich people. It's to make sure that poor people are not completely locked out of an area due to prices. These poor people are getting an apartment in a prime location. That they don't get the doorman and concierge service reflects their monthly rent payments.


Even still "affordable housing" in NYC will get you a 4 bedroom home anywhere else. They are probably still looking at 3-4,000 a month.
 
2013-08-19 12:33:59 PM
I am poor.  I didn't do well in school.  I smoke pot, drink too much, can't afford to pay for my children.  I DEMAND TO USE THE RICH PEOPLE DOORS!!  ARRGGGHHH, MY RIGHTS AND shiat!!!!  NO DOORS, NO PEACE!!
 
2013-08-19 12:35:02 PM
Didnt we decide on the whole separate but equal issue years ago?
 
2013-08-19 12:35:06 PM

elguerodiablo: hailin: Who cares? If the affordable housing people would be embarrassed living here, then they don't have to. I'm just surprised they think the swanky condos will sell for that much. If I had that kind cash I wouldn't want to live in the same building as affordable housing. I've lived in affordable housing before. It is 10% decent people working on their lives and 90% lazy drug using welfare cases that think domestic violence is a form of love.

In the lofts in downtown Denver the subsidized housing invariably goes to hot 20 something student/artistic types.  The section 8 housing is full of users and abusers but those are entire buildings or projects.  With affordable housing in the nice buildings the staff gets to choose the "poor" people who get to live there.  I lived in a subsidized apartment in a high rise.  My roommate and I just had to get our bosses to sign forms saying we made way less then we actually did.


Hey, thanks for abusing the system and lying.  This is why things are broken in this country.
 
2013-08-19 12:35:08 PM

elguerodiablo: hailin: Who cares? If the affordable housing people would be embarrassed living here, then they don't have to. I'm just surprised they think the swanky condos will sell for that much. If I had that kind cash I wouldn't want to live in the same building as affordable housing. I've lived in affordable housing before. It is 10% decent people working on their lives and 90% lazy drug using welfare cases that think domestic violence is a form of love.

In the lofts in downtown Denver the subsidized housing invariably goes to hot 20 something student/artistic types.  The section 8 housing is full of users and abusers but those are entire buildings or projects.  With affordable housing in the nice buildings the staff gets to choose the "poor" people who get to live there.  I lived in a subsidized apartment in a high rise.  My roommate and I just had to get our bosses to sign forms saying we made way less then we actually did.


It's called fraud. What you did.
 
2013-08-19 12:36:26 PM
You know where afforddable housing is? Iowa. This is subsidized housing. Thanks Bob Mama
 
2013-08-19 12:36:36 PM
You're getting an upper west side apartment on Riverside for nothing.  Cry me a river.
 
2013-08-19 12:36:51 PM
I cannot fathom the logic where this DOESN'T make sense.  Like, in any aspect.  You put low income housing on low floors that the rich tennants don't want (exception for phobias).  You make your bookkeeping much easier by seperating 2 developments into subsidized and un-subsidized housing.  You don't have low income housing with a pool, conference room, gym, theatre, and whatever else people cram into condos nowadays.  You don't lower the price of your luxury condos by having section 8 meltdowns in the lobby.  You don't raise your section 8 housing by... you know... actually maintaining it.  This is the exact same disparity that takes place in seperate buildings, they've just put it in one structure to better utilize space.

/Courescant approves
 
2013-08-19 12:37:50 PM

Warlordtrooper: Didnt we decide on the whole separate but equal issue years ago?


Doesn't apply to economic serfdom
 
2013-08-19 12:38:03 PM

davebarnes: Why "affordable housing" laws are stupid.


Not really. The reason why affordable housing laws are stupid is that they don't address the actual problem... half a century of successful class warfare by the rich against the poor devastating the incomes and wealth of average Americans.

Maybe if we weren't so dead set on making the few already wealthy in our society ever more increasingly obscenely wealthy at the expense of the rest of society we could have an economy full of people who could afford better housing, more consumption and more small business creation (which is the biggest source of new jobs) - thus keeping our economy healthier and richer overall for everyone.
 
2013-08-19 12:38:22 PM
I see no problems with this.  The developer is just responding to the (stupid) incentive created by bureaucrats.  Quit offering these types of incentives!

To the critics and their "outrage".  If there was just one entrance for super wealthy and super poor people, I don't think the super wealthy people would pay the high price to live there much longer.  Then, the high-income renters will move out, and their dollars will stop subsidizing the low-income renters.  Developer calls it quits, and then the building goes up for sale, maybe for a non-housing purpose.  Then no one lives there.

You may say it sounds elitist, but if you're paying high-full-price-rent, you probably don't want to deal with the bad stuff that's associated with Section 8 housing.
 
2013-08-19 12:38:30 PM

Propain_az: elguerodiablo: hailin: Who cares? If the affordable housing people would be embarrassed living here, then they don't have to. I'm just surprised they think the swanky condos will sell for that much. If I had that kind cash I wouldn't want to live in the same building as affordable housing. I've lived in affordable housing before. It is 10% decent people working on their lives and 90% lazy drug using welfare cases that think domestic violence is a form of love.

In the lofts in downtown Denver the subsidized housing invariably goes to hot 20 something student/artistic types.  The section 8 housing is full of users and abusers but those are entire buildings or projects.  With affordable housing in the nice buildings the staff gets to choose the "poor" people who get to live there.  I lived in a subsidized apartment in a high rise.  My roommate and I just had to get our bosses to sign forms saying we made way less then we actually did.

Hey, thanks for abusing the system and lying.  This is why things are broken in this country.


Hey man, he got his. That's all that matters any more because [insert lame rationalization here].
 
2013-08-19 12:38:51 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: The goal of the inclusionary housing rule isn't to let poor people live with rich people. It's to make sure that poor people are not completely locked out of an area due to prices. These poor people are getting an apartment in a prime location. That they don't get the doorman and concierge service reflects their monthly rent payments.

In a year, their entrance and elevator will be busted and filthy. That's what the building owners are trying to avoid on the "rich" side.


...because "rich" people don't make messes, apparently. Maybe the "rich" side will look better because they will have more attention paid to maintenance and janatorial services? Naw, I'm sure the "poor" side will be seperate, but equal.
 
2013-08-19 12:39:01 PM
Lived in a high rise that used to have a four star restaurant on top by the pool. Funny, some restaurant patrons would enjoy little recreational burglary after a fine meal. The elevators required resident keys to stop at a floor.
 
2013-08-19 12:39:06 PM
Well, if the "poor" were allowed to enter the same side as those who actually matter, then within a year it'll be trashed and pissed on. So I'd make them enter through the back end, too.
 
2013-08-19 12:39:30 PM

Daniels: You're getting an upper west side apartment on Riverside for nothing.  Cry me a river.


This.
 
2013-08-19 12:40:03 PM

Warlordtrooper: Didnt we decide on the whole separate but equal issue years ago?


Yeah, they bypassed it by making sure it wasn't equal.
 
2013-08-19 12:40:32 PM
Also, local restaraunts will deliver to the rich side, but the poor side will be "out of the service area." Just like cabs, trash service, security...
 
2013-08-19 12:40:57 PM
I'm betting tons of places in NY have been defacto segregated by high speed elevators for the wealthy on the higher floors for decades.
 
2013-08-19 12:41:19 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Also, local restaraunts will deliver to the rich side, but the poor side will be "out of the service area." Just like cabs, trash service, security...


It's almost like businesses are in business.
 
2013-08-19 12:42:34 PM
Just out of curiosity, what does the average street-level job pay in NYC these days?

I'm asking solely so that I can gauge whether or not $1100 a month for a 2bedroom is overpriced or not.
 
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