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(Newsday)   A-Rod: I can't talk about the steroid issue because of a confidentiality agreement. MLB: Then how about we waive it? A-Rod: I..umm..well crap   (newsday.com) divider line 84
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2013-08-19 12:42:18 PM
I'm all for inaccurate headlines, and bashing A-Rod, but this one is a doozy.
 
2013-08-19 12:50:30 PM

flucto: I'm all for inaccurate headlines, and bashing A-Rod, but this one is a doozy.



Do you really think that A-Rod's people want to give MLB the right to publicly announce all the information they have on A-Rod?  The whole point of the "It's a conspiracy!" line is because MLB can't legally refute it without breaking the CA.
 
2013-08-19 12:53:13 PM

A-Rod has to have a conference with his most trusted adviser before he makes a decision about this.


i1.ytimg.com

 
2013-08-19 12:56:04 PM
"A-Rod did you do steroids after you admitted to doing steroids and swore you'd never do steroids again?"

A-Rod- " I swear to you that I really, really, believe that when all my attys work is on the table, there will be enough doubt that I can't be 100% proven of taking steroids."
 
2013-08-19 01:04:16 PM
He's batting .319 since he came back. Leave A-Rod alone.
 
2013-08-19 01:04:21 PM
Oh, look who's suddenly cool with changing the rules when they think it benefits them, and in a scummy way intended to maximize the damage to an individual who dares challenge their punishments.
 
2013-08-19 01:06:00 PM

WTF Indeed: Do you really think that A-Rod's people want to give MLB the right to publicly announce all the information they have on A-Rod? The whole point of the "It's a conspiracy!" line is because MLB can't legally refute it without breaking the CA.


I guess it depends on what they think they know. But the lawyer not wanting to sign a letter he hadn't read isn't exactly A-Rod going "I..umm..well crap "
 
2013-08-19 01:06:14 PM

IAmRight: Oh, look who's suddenly cool with changing the rules when they think it benefits them, and in a scummy way intended to maximize the damage to an individual who dares challenge their punishments.


10/10

lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-08-19 01:07:42 PM
 
2013-08-19 01:08:27 PM
Meh.

What got my attention this weekend was Chad Curtis, former MLBer and all-time annoying dugout evangelist and bible-thumper getting convicted on six counts of criminal sexual conduct with underage girls. There has to be a lot of former Yankees with something to say about that one.
 
2013-08-19 01:10:58 PM
He is definitely going to go Armstrong on this.  The truth will set you free.
 
2013-08-19 01:13:46 PM

flucto: I guess it depends on what they think they know. But the lawyer not wanting to sign a letter he hadn't read isn't exactly A-Rod going "I..umm..well crap "


Read between the lines. They gave him the letter in a network studio right before he was about to interviewed. They could have given it to him in his office, but MLB wanted A-Rod's lawyer to put a positive spin on it because:

1)If they don't sign it the media can then ask why he hasn't signed it yet. "MLB gave you a chance to clear your client's name. Why didn't you take it?"

2)If they do sign it, MLB will just wait until A-Rod talks about it then release all the documents they have on him.
 
2013-08-19 01:18:05 PM

Killer Cars: Meh.

What got my attention this weekend was Chad Curtis, former MLBer and all-time annoying dugout evangelist and bible-thumper getting convicted on six counts of criminal sexual conduct with underage girls. There has to be a lot of former Yankees with something to say about that one.


Mel Hall is ready with a high five from a Texas prison.
 
2013-08-19 01:20:07 PM
flucto:

I guess it depends on what they think they know. But the lawyer not wanting to sign a letter he hadn't read isn't exactly A-Rod going "I..umm..well crap "


Its not that the lawyer didn't want to sign the letter. he didn't want to sign a letter that was handed to him blindly during an interview that he didn't read.
 
2013-08-19 01:21:48 PM

LemSkroob: flucto:

I guess it depends on what they think they know. But the lawyer not wanting to sign a letter he hadn't read isn't exactly A-Rod going "I..umm..well crap "


Its not that the lawyer didn't want to sign the letter. he didn't want to sign a letter that was handed to him blindly during an interview that he didn't read.


Picture of ARod's attorney:

si0.twimg.com

/suck it
 
2013-08-19 01:23:52 PM
I am really expecting this to end badly for Rodriguez. I can't see MLB putting all their eggs in this basket if they weren't sure it was solid. He will likely get off with the lighter suspension, but he will probably get trounced ever more on the PR front when informations starts coming out.

And there is no way MLB agrees to waive the confidentiality clause unless they are sure they can beat him in the ensuing PR storm.

And these disputes with Yankees management don't look good on him either.
 
2013-08-19 01:31:46 PM

dywed88: And there is no way MLB agrees to waive the confidentiality clause unless they are sure they can beat him in the ensuing PR storm.


Well, they could do it in a public way, where they'd have no chance to read it, making it look like A-Rod has even more to hide than he does, knowing that the morons who interpret these stories will think the same way subby did and will repeat the fact that he didn't sign it as though it proves something.

Oh wait, that's what they did.

Besides, since when has MLB had a problem with freely distributing "secret" information?
 
2013-08-19 01:35:11 PM

IAmRight: Well, they could do it in a public way, where they'd have no chance to read it, making it look like A-Rod has even more to hide than he does, knowing that the morons who interpret these stories will think the same way subby did and will repeat the fact that he didn't sign it as though it proves something.


A-Rod Apologists: Giving Trolls a bad name since 2012
 
2013-08-19 01:39:54 PM
Bad move, MLB.

If you do it for one person, you better make sure you offer the waiver to everyone involved in this PED mess. It's already bad enough you offered it in a specific instance.

To do anything else would look like a witch hunt.

God, Bud Selig is a farking moran.
 
2013-08-19 01:43:43 PM

LemSkroob: Its not that the lawyer didn't want to sign the letter. he didn't want to sign a letter that was handed to him blindly during an interview that he didn't read.


Douchey move by MLB. I hate it when they do stupid stuff that make A-Rod look like he might be in the right.
 
2013-08-19 01:44:50 PM

IAmRight: dywed88: And there is no way MLB agrees to waive the confidentiality clause unless they are sure they can beat him in the ensuing PR storm.

Well, they could do it in a public way, where they'd have no chance to read it, making it look like A-Rod has even more to hide than he does, knowing that the morons who interpret these stories will think the same way subby did and will repeat the fact that he didn't sign it as though it proves something.

Oh wait, that's what they did.

Besides, since when has MLB had a problem with freely distributing "secret" information?


The way they did it provides an extra bonus for MLB and makes it that much harder them not to sign.

They want to make an example of Rodriguez, they are going to try to follow the rules to the letter to do so. They might use methods that are a tad shady and benefit them, but they aren't going to break rules when they can help it during the appeal process.

Now, after the appeal process anything not already public will leak out.
 
2013-08-19 01:45:13 PM
Is there anyone else besides me that keeps reading the lawyers name as "Tapioca"?
 
2013-08-19 01:45:48 PM

LemSkroob: flucto:

I guess it depends on what they think they know. But the lawyer not wanting to sign a letter he hadn't read isn't exactly A-Rod going "I..umm..well crap "


Its not that the lawyer didn't want to sign the letter. he didn't want to sign a letter that was handed to him blindly during an interview that he didn't read.


Agreed.  I hate A-Rod as much as the next anonymous person on the internet does, but...this is really a non-story.

/if he was able to be bullied into signing this on live TV, then it was time for A-Rod to get a new lawyer...
 
2013-08-19 01:47:28 PM
As much as I feel MLB has plenty to justify a 211-game suspension, I get the feeling A-Rod won't serve a single day, and MLB is going to look even worse than before.

I hope I'm wrong on the latter two.
 
2013-08-19 01:47:38 PM
I can't wait until someone writes a book on this whole thing with inside information on MLB, the Yankees, and A-Rod.
 
2013-08-19 01:48:32 PM

mainstreet62: If you do it for one person, you better make sure you offer the waiver to everyone involved in this PED mess. It's already bad enough you offered it in a specific instance.

To do anything else would look like a witch hunt.

God, Bud Selig is a farking moran.


1) All suspensions from positive tests are kept private until any appeal is carried out. (Like Braun's and Melky's tests)

2) Non-positive tests are allowed to be announced before the appeal process takes place.

3) By the own admission of A-Rod's attorney, MLB only offered them something A-Rod's attorney asked for "weeks" ago.
 
2013-08-19 01:48:58 PM

mainstreet62: Bad move, MLB.

If you do it for one person, you better make sure you offer the waiver to everyone involved in this PED mess. It's already bad enough you offered it in a specific instance.

To do anything else would look like a witch hunt.

God, Bud Selig is a farking moran.


The confidentiality agreement was only in place to protect the players, not the MLB, they would love to speak freely and let other teams know who's using.

I have read somewhere else the MLB offices sent the letter over earlier but the lawyer keeps claiming to have never received it.
 
2013-08-19 01:50:35 PM

steamingpile: I have read somewhere else the MLB offices sent the letter over earlier but the lawyer keeps claiming to have never received it.


If that's the case I retract what I said. In that circumstance it's pretty awesome of them.
 
2013-08-19 01:51:02 PM

WTF Indeed: A-Rod Apologists: Giving Trolls a bad name since 2012


It's more of a case of "A-Rod is probably the lesser of the two evils considering he has little to no power and MLB can continue to f*ck things up for decades."
 
2013-08-19 01:51:20 PM
Just kick him, and anyone else in baseball who has taken steroids, to the curb. Willy Wonka style.

I totally approve of every MLB pitcher beaning him at bat. It will be more effective in deterring steroids if the players agree that those juice monkeys are to be treated as second-class players.

/rant off
//Still, no sympathy for the guy.
 
2013-08-19 01:53:24 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: I totally approve of every MLB pitcher beaning him at bat.


That's stupid.
 
2013-08-19 01:53:30 PM

IAmRight: It's more of a case of "A-Rod is probably the lesser of the two evils considering he has little to no power and MLB can continue to f*ck things up for decades."


So you're saying that A-Rod did not take steroids like MLB claims he did?
 
2013-08-19 01:56:42 PM

FarkGrudge: LemSkroob: flucto:

I guess it depends on what they think they know. But the lawyer not wanting to sign a letter he hadn't read isn't exactly A-Rod going "I..umm..well crap "


Its not that the lawyer didn't want to sign the letter. he didn't want to sign a letter that was handed to him blindly during an interview that he didn't read.

Agreed.  I hate A-Rod as much as the next anonymous person on the internet does, but...this is really a non-story.

/if he was able to be bullied into signing this on live TV, then it was time for A-Rod to get a new lawyer...


The whole ambushing them with the letter during a televised interview is very Jerry Springerish. I would expect a corporation to be above those kind of PR grabbing stunts. They should have just let their side play out legally and not have tried to try their side in the court of public opinion like A-Rod is doing. It makes them look weak.
 
2013-08-19 01:57:59 PM

WTF Indeed: So you're saying that A-Rod did not take steroids like MLB claims he did?


I'm saying MLB way overstepped its bounds in how it got the information, assigned a ridiculous suspension length, giving two suspensions for the same thing, and are ruining their own sport with their witch hunt. It's pretty funny to watch - as the pennant races should be heating up, 100% of the talk about the sport is about A-Rod and steroids.

/but then I want to watch the best players play at their best
 
2013-08-19 02:00:37 PM

ongbok: The whole ambushing them with the letter during a televised interview is very Jerry Springerish. I would expect a corporation to be above those kind of PR grabbing stunts. They should have just let their side play out legally and not have tried to try their side in the court of public opinion like A-Rod is doing. It makes them look weak.


Somebody said above that the A-Rod side has been pretending they have not received such a letter for a while. If that's true I think it's a good play.
 
2013-08-19 02:01:34 PM

ongbok: The whole ambushing them with the letter during a televised interview is very Jerry Springerish. I would expect a corporation to be above those kind of PR grabbing stunts


This is the other part.

The NFL, for all its other clownishness (banning celebrations, etc.)...you don't notice them doing this kind of sh*t when guys get suspended for PED use. It's a small note off to the side and they don't really care if someone beats the charge - there's no reason for them to advertise in neon lights HEY OUR GUYS ARE USING ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES TO DO WHAT THEY DO. If everyone claims they were taking Adderall and the league knows otherwise? Who cares. They're going to get the same suspension either way. It doesn't hurt the NFL at all; in fact it helps because then the stupid fans (aka the ones who get buttmad about "purity" of a game) can pretend that it's not really a big deal because hell, their kid's on Adderall.

/even though they are
 
2013-08-19 02:02:31 PM

IAmRight: 'm saying MLB way overstepped its bounds in how it got the information, assigned a ridiculous suspension length, giving two suspensions for the same thing, and are ruining their own sport with their witch hunt. It's pretty funny to watch - as the pennant races should be heating up, 100% of the talk about the sport is about A-Rod and steroids.


How did it overstep it's bounds in obtaining information? The suspension was for both violations of the JDA and CBA, so not the same thing, and it's only a witch hunt to people who don't care about the integrity of the sport and only want to be entertained. If you want to watch a sport filled with steroid addicts and designed for maximum entertainment value, go watch WWE or wait until the NFL starts.
 
2013-08-19 02:07:49 PM
They should make PED allowed and PED not allowed leagues in all the major sports.  Then see which one gets the most viewers. Then cancel the non-PED leagues.
 
2013-08-19 02:09:00 PM

WTF Indeed: IAmRight: Well, they could do it in a public way, where they'd have no chance to read it, making it look like A-Rod has even more to hide than he does, knowing that the morons who interpret these stories will think the same way subby did and will repeat the fact that he didn't sign it as though it proves something.

A-Rod Apologists: Giving Trolls a bad name since 2012


A-Rod apologists are as bad as Bonds apologists. They are the Juggalos of sports fans.
 
2013-08-19 02:13:09 PM

WTF Indeed: integrity of the sport


The sport has no integrity.

WTF Indeed: wait until the NFL starts.


I, like 90% of sports fans, am.

WTF Indeed: The suspension was for both violations of the JDA and CBA, so not the same thing


The 50 and 100 games. Can't suspend a dude for the 100 when you never gave him 50.

BTW, it's interesting that you would whine about the sport being filled with steroid addicts - no one had a problem with baseball when everyone WAS taking steroids (but before the media got upset that Canseco told everything and had to act like they didn't know, therefore everyone was a lying scumbag but them).

Oh, and if you can't find the flaw in buying evidence, I can't help you.
 
2013-08-19 02:16:14 PM

IAmRight: Oh, and if you can't find the flaw in buying evidence, I can't help you.


Here's the guy you are supporting.
 
2013-08-19 02:18:44 PM
In an odd way, A-Ped is the purest competitor out there. He will take any measures to win, and take on all opponents, be they another team, the league, or his own team.

Plus he keeps winning. He's not even going to get suspended with the way the contract is written, and the Yankees have to keep writing him checks even though they loathe him.

I'm not a fan, but he is the Galactic Champion of Sports Trolling.
 
2013-08-19 02:19:24 PM

IAmRight: It's pretty funny to watch - as the pennant races should be heating up, 100% of the talk about the sport is about A-Rod and steroids.


I'm assuming Selig wants, very badly, to burn A-Rod at the stake and have it be a shiny emblem as part of his outgoing legacy. Apparently if that means no casual sports fans have any idea right now that the Pittsburgh Pirates are 21 games over .500 and lead the Central (as an example of worthwhile good storyline) because the larger narrative is dominated by steroids, so be it.
 
2013-08-19 02:20:43 PM

IAmRight: Oh, look who's suddenly cool with changing the rules when they think it benefits them, and in a scummy way intended to maximize the damage to an individual who dares challenge their punishments.


Has anyone ever thought that Selig wasn't a scummy asshole?

IAmRight: WTF Indeed: A-Rod Apologists: Giving Trolls a bad name since 2012

It's more of a case of "A-Rod is probably the lesser of the two evils considering he has little to no power and MLB can continue to f*ck things up for decades."


Yup. It's an abuse of power on MLB's part. There are rules and procedures around this stuff, and they're trying to go after A-Rod way out of proportion to his role in something that the MLB front office was pretty much encouraging a few years ago, just because they can. Meanwhile, they didn't touch Barry Bonds. I don't like extralegal punishment or people abusing their authority. Got something on A-Rod? Fine. Suspend him for 50 games- under your policy, he's a first time offender. Start going after him outside of that system just because he's unpopular? Then you're getting into abuse of power territory.

I'm a big fan of fair and impartial justice. Treat A-Rod the same way you would treat anybody else, and in accordance with the rules. 1st time offender, 50 games. Tack on 15 more like you did for Braun, maybe. But 200? You can't justify that.
 
2013-08-19 02:21:57 PM

Killer Cars: IAmRight: It's pretty funny to watch - as the pennant races should be heating up, 100% of the talk about the sport is about A-Rod and steroids.

I'm assuming Selig wants, very badly, to burn A-Rod at the stake and have it be a shiny emblem as part of his outgoing legacy. Apparently if that means no casual sports fans have any idea right now that the Pittsburgh Pirates are 21 games over .500 and lead the Central (as an example of worthwhile good storyline) because the larger narrative is dominated by steroids the myopic Boston-NY-LA media so be it.


FTFY
 
2013-08-19 02:22:02 PM
I love how the American public (well..some baseball fans) acts all outraged about this and take no responsibility for their consumer demands for 'make the game more exciting/more interesting' and 'we're fickle, so we also put the pressure on the MLB to make it profitable' and 'not everyone can be as naturally physically gifted as say, Bo Jackson, but we expect teams to have at least 1 guy like that' and all the other things that led to juicers.
 
2013-08-19 02:23:40 PM
Killer Cars:  the Pittsburgh Pirates are 21 games over .500 and lead the Central

Well, that explains the angels with trumpets and seals I saw on my walk this afternoon.
 
2013-08-19 02:25:39 PM

WTF Indeed: IAmRight: Oh, and if you can't find the flaw in buying evidence, I can't help you.

Here's the guy you are supporting.


And you're supporting Bud Selig.
 
2013-08-19 02:26:49 PM
Baseball scandal, circa 1974:

www.extrapinetar.com

40 years later:

www.shootingatbubbles.com
Do we really have to gossip over every last little detail? I had to mute the farking TV during last night's game when the announcers decided to spend three straight innings talking about this. If MLB is just going to be shiatty reality TV could it at least be more like Ultimate Fighter and less like Big Brother?
 
2013-08-19 02:27:23 PM
Really I just hope that Congress can get involved in sports more.
 
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