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2013-08-19 11:16:04 AM
Forever 21 is run by management that's very vocal about their "Christian beliefs".

Funny, I'm reading over the 10 commandments and I don't see "Thou shalt screw over thy employees because thou art butthurt over a government program" anywhere in here.
 
2013-08-19 11:25:42 AM
It's too bad that we can't get rid of ACA and go back to the time when employers didn't reduce hours to avoid covering health benefits.
 
2013-08-19 11:36:38 AM
Wonder what companies will do if they lowered full time hours to 20, then 10, then 1?
 
2013-08-19 11:44:03 AM
Are we supposed to be upset with the people trying to get them health coverage or the people trying to deny them health coverage?
 
2013-08-19 11:48:41 AM
So, instead of firing 20% of their staff, because people were sitting at their desk making paperclip chains, they lowered everyone's hours?  Or are they going to add 20% more employees to fill in the remaing hours?
 
2013-08-19 11:55:44 AM

Flab: So, instead of firing 20% of their staff, because people were sitting at their desk making paperclip chains, they lowered everyone's hours?  Or are they going to add 20% more employees to fill in the remaing hours?


That's going to be the fun part. They might be cutting off their nose to spite their face.
 
2013-08-19 11:56:31 AM

jake_lex: Forever 21 is run by management that's very vocal about their "Christian beliefs".

Funny, I'm reading over the 10 commandments and I don't see "Thou shalt screw over thy employees because thou art butthurt over a government program" anywhere in here.


It was part of the 15 commandments until Moses dropped the third tablet.
 
2013-08-19 11:58:55 AM
You know if you renamed "socialized medicine" (that the rest of the 1st world practices some variation of) to "fark you I got mine medicine" I think you might get everyone on board. and get rid of this employer part altogether. Taa Daa.
 
2013-08-19 12:01:51 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Flab: So, instead of firing 20% of their staff, because people were sitting at their desk making paperclip chains, they lowered everyone's hours?  Or are they going to add 20% more employees to fill in the remaing hours?

That's going to be the fun part. They might be cutting off their nose to spite their face.


There are provisions in the ACA for FTE equivalency; that 100 half-time employees would push a business to the 50 FTE line, although the exact specifics are no doubt more nuanced.
 
2013-08-19 12:09:41 PM

factoryconnection: cameroncrazy1984: Flab: So, instead of firing 20% of their staff, because people were sitting at their desk making paperclip chains, they lowered everyone's hours?  Or are they going to add 20% more employees to fill in the remaing hours?

That's going to be the fun part. They might be cutting off their nose to spite their face.

There are provisions in the ACA for FTE equivalency; that 100 half-time employees would push a business to the 50 FTE line, although the exact specifics are no doubt more nuanced.


It doesn't matter, though. You only have to provide benefits to those working 30+ hours per week.
 
2013-08-19 12:10:32 PM
I was just talking to my neighbor, a slightly developmentally delayed 40 year old who still lives with his parents, about this.  He currently works 4 days a week (32 hrs) at Lowe's and they're cutting all part timers back to 25 hours a week because of this. He's especially pissed because he already has health insurance that he's purchased privately.
 
2013-08-19 12:12:57 PM
fark those businesses, then. If you can't treat other human beings fairly and see that your employees are taken care of regarding affordable medical insurance, then you deserve to run out of business. I'd rather patron a business that ethically cares for its employees.
 
2013-08-19 12:13:03 PM
They are also paying out any accrued PTO.  Gee, it would be really hard to find another job that beat 29.5 hours and let you accrue PTO.  Good luck with that, store I've never heard of.
 
2013-08-19 12:13:37 PM

jake_lex: Forever 21 is run by management that's very vocal about their "Christian beliefs".

Funny, I'm reading over the 10 commandments and I don't see "Thou shalt screw over thy employees because thou art butthurt over a government program" anywhere in here.


Vocal Christians?  I had been under the impression that their market niche was something along the lines of "shoddily-constructed skankwear for club or corner."
 
2013-08-19 12:14:07 PM

jake_lex: Forever 21 is run by management that's very vocal about their "Christian beliefs".

Funny, I'm reading over the 10 commandments and I don't see "Thou shalt screw over thy employees because thou art butthurt over a government program" anywhere in here.


There isn't anything about treating them well, either.
 
2013-08-19 12:15:15 PM

I_Am_Weasel: jake_lex: Forever 21 is run by management that's very vocal about their "Christian beliefs".

Funny, I'm reading over the 10 commandments and I don't see "Thou shalt screw over thy employees because thou art butthurt over a government program" anywhere in here.

It was part of the 15 commandments until Moses dropped the third tablet.


Not possible.  A jew would never have dropped the tablet concerning rules for retail.

I keed, I keed
 
2013-08-19 12:15:16 PM
Hmm, make a bad law that causes every business to reduce employee hours or cut employees.

Solution A: Fix or repeal the bad law.
Solution B: Blame the businesses.

I see everyone in this thread went with Solution B and are putting all their eggs behind the bad law.  Let's see how this turns out for you.
 
2013-08-19 12:15:59 PM

Robo Beat: jake_lex: Forever 21 is run by management that's very vocal about their "Christian beliefs".

Funny, I'm reading over the 10 commandments and I don't see "Thou shalt screw over thy employees because thou art butthurt over a government program" anywhere in here.

Vocal Christians?  I had been under the impression that their market niche was something along the lines of "shoddily-constructed skankwear for club or corner."


This.  It's Frederick's of Hollywood without the ridiculously-impractical factor.
 
2013-08-19 12:16:02 PM
a far-right fundamentalist christian company doesn't like obamacare? NO WAI!
 
2013-08-19 12:16:45 PM

Flab: So, instead of firing 20% of their staff, because people were sitting at their desk making paperclip chains, they lowered everyone's hours?  Or are they going to add 20% more employees to fill in the remaing hours?


it is still cheaper than paying out the full benefits.  health care is too expensive now.  that simple.
 
2013-08-19 12:16:47 PM
Okay, good to know.  Won't be buying anything from Forever 21 ever again.
 
2013-08-19 12:17:17 PM
i.imgur.com

This is the Jesus the Republicans really believe in.
 
2013-08-19 12:18:06 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Okay, good to know.  Won't be buying anything from Forever 21 ever again.


as opposed to their competitors, who are all probably doing the same thing?
 
2013-08-19 12:18:14 PM
"Forever 21" is not only the name of the company, but now it is also the number of hours employees are going to get per week because of OWNERS' PETTICOATS BEING RUFFLED INORDINATELY ABOUT Obamacare

/ftfs
 
2013-08-19 12:19:11 PM

SlothB77: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Okay, good to know.  Won't be buying anything from Forever 21 ever again.

as opposed to their competitors, who are all probably doing the same thing?


Nope, not every company is doing that.  I figured that would be obvious.
 
2013-08-19 12:19:22 PM

SlothB77: Flab: So, instead of firing 20% of their staff, because people were sitting at their desk making paperclip chains, they lowered everyone's hours?  Or are they going to add 20% more employees to fill in the remaing hours?

it is still cheaper than paying out the full benefits.  health care is too expensive now.  that simple.


Yeah because health care was so cheap and easily paid for before the ACA, and if you couldn't afford it... people just stopped getting sick at all, right?
 
2013-08-19 12:20:29 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Okay, good to know.  Won't be buying anything from Forever 21 ever again.


What a jerk!  Now that they will be hiring a bunch more people, you want to put them out of business.  Think of all the jobs your boycot will cause.
 
2013-08-19 12:21:07 PM

Flab: So, instead of firing 20% of their staff, because people were sitting at their desk making paperclip chains, they lowered everyone's hours?  Or are they going to add 20% more employees to fill in the remaing hours?


Neither. See, companies only hire people because of the largesse of their individual Job Creator, rather than the ability of the company to supply a good or service at a level the market demands.

Forever 21 will continue doing the same amount of business, with their workers only on the job for 29 hours a week. This will not impact their bottom line, but will allow their Job Creator to express displeasure.
 
2013-08-19 12:21:52 PM

majestic: factoryconnection: cameroncrazy1984: Flab: So, instead of firing 20% of their staff, because people were sitting at their desk making paperclip chains, they lowered everyone's hours?  Or are they going to add 20% more employees to fill in the remaing hours?

That's going to be the fun part. They might be cutting off their nose to spite their face.

There are provisions in the ACA for FTE equivalency; that 100 half-time employees would push a business to the 50 FTE line, although the exact specifics are no doubt more nuanced.

It doesn't matter, though. You only have to provide benefits to those working 30+ hours per week.


And yet, despite that, employers often hired full time employees. It's almost as if there are incentives to hire an employee full-time and for workers not to take part-time jobs.
 
2013-08-19 12:22:54 PM

Flab: So, instead of firing 20% of their staff, because people were sitting at their desk making paperclip chains, they lowered everyone's hours?  Or are they going to add 20% more employees to fill in the remaing hours?


This isn't about saving money.  Its a political stunt.

/For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
//which is on the bottom of every bag
 
2013-08-19 12:23:15 PM

SlothB77: Hmm, make a bad law that causes every business to reduce employee hours or cut employees.

Solution A: Fix or repeal the bad law.
Solution B: Blame the businesses.

I see everyone in this thread went with Solution B and are putting all their eggs behind the bad law.  Let's see how this turns out for you.


THIS.
 
2013-08-19 12:23:26 PM

jake_lex: Forever 21 is run by management that's very vocal about their "Christian beliefs".

Funny, I'm reading over the 10 commandments and I don't see "Thou shalt screw over thy employees because thou art butthurt over a government program" anywhere in here.


It's in the EULA.  You did read it, didn't you?
 
2013-08-19 12:24:54 PM

keepitcherry: SlothB77: Hmm, make a bad law that causes every business to reduce employee hours or cut employees.

Solution A: Fix or repeal the bad law.
Solution B: Blame the businesses.

I see everyone in this thread went with Solution B and are putting all their eggs behind the bad law.  Let's see how this turns out for you.

THIS.


So many logical fallacies, so little time...
 
2013-08-19 12:26:24 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: keepitcherry: SlothB77: Hmm, make a bad law that causes every business to reduce employee hours or cut employees.

Solution A: Fix or repeal the bad law.
Solution B: Blame the businesses.

I see everyone in this thread went with Solution B and are putting all their eggs behind the bad law.  Let's see how this turns out for you.

THIS.

So many logical fallacies, so little time...


As if this would be unlike every other time in the Fark Politics tab, and they would learn and understand the error of their ways of thinking if you enlightened them.
 
2013-08-19 12:27:42 PM

Weatherkiss: As if this would be unlike every other time in the Fark Politics tab, and they would learn and understand the error of their ways of thinking if you enlightened them.


Another reason I didn't bother.
 
2013-08-19 12:28:21 PM
That's bad. Gaming employee hours to get around providing benefits never happened before the advent of Obamacare.
 
2013-08-19 12:29:46 PM
So Forever21 is going to bend over backwards to have unhealthy employees that vector diseases to their customers, all while ensuring maximum dependency of said employees on taxpayer-subsidized programs... and this is supposed to make me hate someone else why again?
 
2013-08-19 12:30:01 PM
Dear Forever 21,

Jesus did not stutter when he said one should not worship mammon (money).
 
2013-08-19 12:33:54 PM
The state of Virginia started this earlier this year. It's almost as if everything the detractors of Obamacare said would happen is happening.  I'm sure reality is just being racist though. We get it, universe! He's black!
 
2013-08-19 12:37:23 PM

Princess Ryans Knickers: Dear Forever 21,

Jesus did not stutter when he said one should not worship mammon (money).


Dear American Christians,
You  inventedequating money / hard work and success in this life, as the proof of entry to heaven in the afterlife.
I know most are not willing practitioners of Calvinism, but we revere terrible people like Donald Trump (or worse Paris Hilton), simply because they are rich.

Forever 21 makes knock off designer clothes, they are not some holy organization.
They are simply following long held American values of farking over anyone who stands between them and their MONEY.
 
2013-08-19 12:37:43 PM

SlothB77: Hmm, make a bad law that causes every business to reduce employee hours or cut employees.

Solution A: Fix or repeal the bad law.
Solution B: Blame the businesses.

I see everyone in this thread went with Solution B and are putting all their eggs behind the bad law.  Let's see how this turns out for you.


Solution C: Go... hey, 25-hour workweek. About time.  The US Senate passed a 30-hour workweek law  80 years ago (along with trade restrictions on countries that did not also agree to similar working conditions).  We have machines to do X, Y, and Z.  We have millions of people doing needless paper-pushing bullshiat makework.  No one has free time, although millions have hoarder houses and storage units filled with plastic crap.  Let's get this shiat figured out.
 
2013-08-19 12:41:38 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Okay, good to know.  Won't be buying anything from Forever 21 ever again.


Same here. Shame, too, every once in a while they put up something decent in their windows.
 
2013-08-19 12:42:07 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: keepitcherry: SlothB77: Hmm, make a bad law that causes every business to reduce employee hours or cut employees.

Solution A: Fix or repeal the bad law.
Solution B: Blame the businesses.

I see everyone in this thread went with Solution B and are putting all their eggs behind the bad law.  Let's see how this turns out for you.

THIS.

So many logical fallacies, so little time...


Dammit, but now you have to.  The post is so short, how many falacies can there be.  This is now like one of those "how many swords do you see in the picture" puzzles.  I'm guessing strawman, false dilemma, correlation proves causation, possibly hasty generalization.  then I got stuck.
 
2013-08-19 12:43:18 PM

vygramul: majestic: factoryconnection: cameroncrazy1984: Flab: So, instead of firing 20% of their staff, because people were sitting at their desk making paperclip chains, they lowered everyone's hours?  Or are they going to add 20% more employees to fill in the remaing hours?

That's going to be the fun part. They might be cutting off their nose to spite their face.

There are provisions in the ACA for FTE equivalency; that 100 half-time employees would push a business to the 50 FTE line, although the exact specifics are no doubt more nuanced.

It doesn't matter, though. You only have to provide benefits to those working 30+ hours per week.

And yet, despite that, employers often hired full time employees. It's almost as if there are incentives to hire an employee full-time and for workers not to take part-time jobs.


Oh, I'm not defending ACA. I'm just pointing out that it continues to concentrate more resources at the top levels.
 
2013-08-19 12:52:34 PM

Gonz: Flab: So, instead of firing 20% of their staff, because people were sitting at their desk making paperclip chains, they lowered everyone's hours?  Or are they going to add 20% more employees to fill in the remaing hours?

Neither. See, companies only hire people because of the largesse of their individual Job Creator, rather than the ability of the company to supply a good or service at a level the market demands.

Forever 21 will continue doing the same amount of business, with their workers only on the job for 29 hours a week. This will not impact their bottom line, but will allow their Job Creator to express displeasure.


Why did upper management wait so long to discover that it could still function with only 75% of their non-managerial staff? Were they that clueless for that long?
 
2013-08-19 12:56:40 PM

majestic: vygramul: majestic: factoryconnection: cameroncrazy1984: Flab: So, instead of firing 20% of their staff, because people were sitting at their desk making paperclip chains, they lowered everyone's hours?  Or are they going to add 20% more employees to fill in the remaing hours?

That's going to be the fun part. They might be cutting off their nose to spite their face.

There are provisions in the ACA for FTE equivalency; that 100 half-time employees would push a business to the 50 FTE line, although the exact specifics are no doubt more nuanced.

It doesn't matter, though. You only have to provide benefits to those working 30+ hours per week.

And yet, despite that, employers often hired full time employees. It's almost as if there are incentives to hire an employee full-time and for workers not to take part-time jobs.

Oh, I'm not defending ACA. I'm just pointing out that it continues to concentrate more resources at the top levels.


Businesses are not people.  They only exist to turn a profit. If presented with two personnel policies that are legal, they have to go with the one that costs less. If they don't, somebody else will come along and undercut them and take all the business.  Do you know the employment policies of the gas stations in your town?  Do you use this information as a basis for chosing where to buy gas?  Or do you just buy at the cheapest or most conveniently located place?  I don't know if the people I buy gas from have healthcare or a retirement plan.  I just know that the plase is most conveniently on my way to work.
 
2013-08-19 12:57:35 PM

Soup4Bonnie: They are also paying out any accrued PTO.  Gee, it would be really hard to find another job that beat 29.5 hours and let you accrue PTO.  Good luck with that, store I've never heard of.


Starbucks?
 
2013-08-19 12:59:20 PM

jake_lex: Forever 21 is run by management that's very vocal about their "Christian beliefs".

Funny, I'm reading over the 10 commandments and I don't see "Thou shalt screw over thy employees because thou art butthurt over a government program" anywhere in here.


It's part of a couple of lines that got scratched off.  You can see it strikeout font in lots of the older Torah scrolls.  Here's the text of an English translation I found on the net:

6. Thou Shalt Not Steal
except designs for jewelry, clothing, and other items created by small independent artists, especially when marketed on the internet (don't worry, you'll learn about that in a few thousand years.)
6.5 Thou shalt treat thy stewards and servants unkindly, for thou art sorely pained in thy hindquarters by the requirements of kings.
 
2013-08-19 01:02:29 PM

StopLurkListen: That's bad. Gaming employee hours to get around providing benefits never happened before the advent of Obamacare.


But now there is a solution. That is the purpose of the Insurance Exchanges.
 
2013-08-19 01:03:14 PM

Tricky Chicken: majestic: vygramul: majestic: factoryconnection: cameroncrazy1984: Flab: So, instead of firing 20% of their staff, because people were sitting at their desk making paperclip chains, they lowered everyone's hours?  Or are they going to add 20% more employees to fill in the remaing hours?

That's going to be the fun part. They might be cutting off their nose to spite their face.

There are provisions in the ACA for FTE equivalency; that 100 half-time employees would push a business to the 50 FTE line, although the exact specifics are no doubt more nuanced.

It doesn't matter, though. You only have to provide benefits to those working 30+ hours per week.

And yet, despite that, employers often hired full time employees. It's almost as if there are incentives to hire an employee full-time and for workers not to take part-time jobs.

Oh, I'm not defending ACA. I'm just pointing out that it continues to concentrate more resources at the top levels.

Businesses are not people.  They only exist to turn a profit. If presented with two personnel policies that are legal, they have to go with the one that costs less. If they don't, somebody else will come along and undercut them and take all the business.  Do you know the employment policies of the gas stations in your town?  Do you use this information as a basis for chosing where to buy gas?  Or do you just buy at the cheapest or most conveniently located place?  I don't know if the people I buy gas from have healthcare or a retirement plan.  I just know that the plase is most conveniently on my way to work.


Bad example. Gas stations are usually not clustered in large facilities called malls where you can find over 150 alternatives within walking distance.

You are right that most people use convenience or price at the pump as their main criteria when selecting a gas station, but more people may be willing to say "I won't shop at XYZ because of their policies" when there are alternatives. This is why retail chains actually care about boycott campaigns, whereas the oil industry does not give a fark.
 
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