skozlaw: ... so it's somehow the EM's fault that everything finally came crashing down?
inntheory: Slaves2Darkness: Is it an asset? I think it is. Every asset must be liquidated in bankruptcy, Detroit is not special.Fortunately you have no idea what you are talking about.The majority of art that the DIA is in possession of isn't owned by the gallery, but are rather held through trusts. If Orr, the emergency manager, tries to sell them he will be in some serious legal trouble.
sethstorm: JohnAnnArbor: derpNo, I just see them as the least qualified entity given that they're more concerned with remaking a state (and in Detroit's case, city) in their own approved image than they are fixing the city.If the entire ALEC/Mackinac apparatus were to be removed from Michigan, including Kevyn "Judas" Orr, and that their laws were reversed/nullified/repealed, perhaps one might be able to consider fixing Detroit. At the minimum, they'd have to be neutered in ways equivalent to Ohio's legislature. The key is that neither ALEC nor the Mackinac Institute (or like organizations) could benefit from Detroit's demise.
sethstorm: The only response from the City of Detroit towards the ill influence of ALEC and the like would be to instruct all city employees to consider them as hostile entities, and to return Kevyn to his master in Lansing.
detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Maybe city leaders should have run the DIA like every other major city and held the art in a trust. But nope, they own the art outright and it's an asset.
MrEricSir: Heaven forbid that this priceless art might end up somewhere that people could actually see it.
NostroZ: Slaves2Darkness: Is it an asset? I think it is. Every asset must be liquidated in bankruptcy, Detroit is not special.It's a government... it's not a business... think harder
Polish Hussar: JohnAnnArbor: FlyingJ: JohnAnnArbor Detroit has vast salt caverns under the city. VAST. Mining continues to this day, I believe.Polish Hussar You are correct.I always wondered why that never caused collapses or sinkholes...Some people claim they can hear the mining, because the thing goes up to Warren, out Downriver & up to NoviIt's pretty far down. And Cleveland has similar mines that extend a considerable way under Lake Erie, I believe.According to this article, Cleveland's salt mine extends 4 miles under Lake Erie
sethstorm: skozlaw: .... so it's somehow the EM's fault that everything finally came crashing down?Yes. Why else did he decide that the city should default on existing debt and then rush through a bankruptcy filing to fulfill the wishes of the folks in Lansing? If they had a more politically neutral entity that wasn't hell-bent on scoring every political trophy to be had in Michigan, perhaps it wouldn't be a problem. Kevyn "Judas" Orr just was piling more on the camel's back to break it, however little that might be.Thankfully my home state to the immediate south, Ohio, stopped ALEC with a 68-39 referendum against one of their laws. Unfortunately, we must have inspired ALEC-led Michigan to add referendum-blocking provisions to their signature must-pass laws - since they only consider some Michiganders worthy of having a voice.
skozlaw: .... so it's somehow the EM's fault that everything finally came crashing down?
mcreadyblue: error 303: Didn't Greece sell a bunch of ancient statues and other artificats super cheaply to the British?If by cheap you ment "stole", well yes./Greece has been trying to get their stuff back for years
HotWingConspiracy: No I'm talking about bond holders and other various parties that think the pension money now belongs to them.
JohnAnnArbor: tennessee.hillbilly: Detroit should hide their artworks in traincars stuffed into tunnels outside Bertchesgaten.No one will ever think to look there.Detroit has vast salt caverns under the city.VAST. Mining continues to this day, I believe.
meanmutton: HotWingConspiracy: Sometimes your investments don't pan out. I can't understand why the investor class gets such a level of protection. It's not like they were investing out of the goodness of their hearts."Investor" in this case primarily means those who are owed a pension by the city of Detroit.
Slaves2Darkness: Is it an asset? I think it is. Every asset must be liquidated in bankruptcy, Detroit is not special.
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