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(WCAX Vermont)   Hypothermia almost kills four boaters who may or may not have been in the water and may or may not have been able to swim 100 yards in August   (wcax.com) divider line 31
    More: Asinine, Burlington, Lake Champlain, University of Vermont  
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2013-08-19 11:52:41 AM
No doctor but even I know even "warm" water can cause hypothermia.
 
2013-08-19 11:53:21 AM
If you're on the water, have a PFD on, or nearby.  Not down in the locker.
 
2013-08-19 11:53:50 AM
I guess subby isn't aware that northern deep waters is never warm enough for swimming.  It is better to wait for them to freeze over and just walk across, if fresh water of course.
 
2013-08-19 11:54:27 AM
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2013-08-19 11:54:59 AM
Hot outdoor temperatures does not necessarily mean no risk of hypothermia.  And if the water is cold even swimming 100 yards can be a daunting feat, especially when fully clothed.

/had to watch a cold weather survival video for work.  Bottom line, where your friggin PFD.
 
2013-08-19 11:59:27 AM
You'll get hypothermia when you core body temp get's below 95F so yeah, you can easily get hypothermia in is a lake that is only 68-70F (according to NOAA)
 
2013-08-19 12:01:51 PM
NOAA says the water temp for Lake Champlain is around 70 degrees give or take a few.  If you can't swim 100yds in that to save your life, you shouldn't be out there.  Under ideal conditions I can swim that in less than 2 minutes.  So even if I'm swimming ridiculously slow, I should be able to do it in under 5.  Probably not going to die in 5 mins of 70 degree water.
 
2013-08-19 12:04:55 PM
I think I can hear the violin player from the Titanic....
 
2013-08-19 12:10:45 PM
If you can't swim and you're in boat I've got no sympathy for you.
 
2013-08-19 12:11:18 PM
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2013-08-19 12:12:24 PM

dennysgod: You'll get hypothermia when you core body temp get's below 95F so yeah, you can easily get hypothermia in is a lake that is only 68-70F (according to NOAA)


Mild hypothermia is 93-95F, not go unconscious and die hypothermia.  Those are much lower body temps. Even so, the onset of hypothermia in 70 degree water is 3-12 hours.  It's not that cold.
 
2013-08-19 12:25:16 PM
I do remember hearing something about a large population of lampreys in the lake which may have been why the swimmers decided not to make a go for it...
 
2013-08-19 12:27:40 PM

dark brew: dennysgod: You'll get hypothermia when you core body temp get's below 95F so yeah, you can easily get hypothermia in is a lake that is only 68-70F (according to NOAA)

Mild hypothermia is 93-95F, not go unconscious and die hypothermia.  Those are much lower body temps. Even so, the onset of hypothermia in 70 degree water is 3-12 hours.  It's not that cold.


Yea, I spent around 2 hours in water at the same temperature just yesterday.  My guess is that the person who "saved" them was being over dramatic about the event.
 
2013-08-19 12:31:18 PM
Where I live, the water gets up to 51F in the summer.  I don't care what your charts say, you're not going to make it in water that temperature.  Our local coast guard has at least one rescue a year, tourists thinking they "can swim that far".  One of my friends is a widow because her hubby (ex?) wasn't wearing a PFD.  He laughed, his friends didn't, and that's why they lived and he did not.

If you aren't wearing a drysuit (or a 7+7mm wetsuit), yes, even when it's getting to 90F outside, you're not going in the water.  A common sight on a hot day is a full beach and an empty ocean.

I've lived around cold water my whole life.  It was fun to get some tropical water diving, although I did get nervous going in the first time.  (It was just 35 years of conditioning "if you wear THAT in the water, you're going to die.")

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2013-08-19 12:31:51 PM

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I've only seen that once, but I still remember it. Is it still as funny as I remember?
 
2013-08-19 12:32:28 PM
I'm swimming 1-2 miles a week right now so getting a kick...

It's laughable that they couldn't swim 100 yards but OTOH they were likely wearing clothes and not mentally prepared to swim. I will cut them some slack about the swimming part HOWEVER they had no life jackets. With life jackets they could have dog-paddled the 100 yards in a few minutes and been fine.
 
2013-08-19 12:32:55 PM

dark brew: Mild hypothermia is 93-95F, not go unconscious and die hypothermia.  Those are much lower body temps. Even so, the onset of hypothermia in 70 degree water is 3-12 hours.  It's not that cold.


The water temperature in Lake Champlain is around 68-72 degrees at this time of year.  Air temp was probably in the 68-70 degree range at the time, with winds out of the south between 10-20 knots.

Under these conditions, discuss the probability of the onset mild hypothermia when some inebriated dipshiat sits with his feet in the water pooling at the bottom of slowing sinking boat.  For extra credit, examine the conditions under which said inebriated dipshiat will not recognize the symptoms of mild hypothermia.
 
2013-08-19 12:41:11 PM

IRQ12: Yea, I spent around 2 hours in water at the same temperature just yesterday.  My guess is that the person who "saved" them was being over dramatic about the event.


Yes, but were you drunk enough not to recognize the boat you were in was sinking?

Imagine you're drunk, sitting in a boat when it's 68 degrees outside, and the water your feet are in is about the same, and the wind is blowing a steady 11 MPH with gusts to 23 MPH.

Remember, alcohol is a vasodilator.  It accelerates the onset of hypothermia, inhibits the body's natural reaction to inhibit its progression, as well as the person's ability to recognize the symptoms.

/Yes, I know TFA didn't say they were drunk
//TFA didn't say much of anything.
///It's a safe assumption that at least some of the people on boat were drinking
 
2013-08-19 12:45:59 PM

Hack Patooey: If you're on the water, have a PFD on, or nearby.  Not down in the locker.


It was a 15' boat.  Anywhere on it would be nearby.
 
2013-08-19 01:02:52 PM

Babwa Wawa: IRQ12: Yea, I spent around 2 hours in water at the same temperature just yesterday.  My guess is that the person who "saved" them was being over dramatic about the event.

Yes, but were you drunk enough not to recognize the boat you were in was sinking?
...


Probably!  :)
 
2013-08-19 01:25:47 PM

DubtodaIll: If you can't swim and you're in boat I've got no sympathy for you.


Ever been in a plane? Impress me.
 
2013-08-19 01:51:18 PM

Yakk: No doctor but even I know even "warm" water can cause hypothermia.


Only in the stupid and untrained and complacent. Darwin's Navy just missed getting four fresh deckhands.
 
2013-08-19 01:52:48 PM

Betep: DubtodaIll: If you can't swim and you're in boat I've got no sympathy for you.

Ever been in a plane? Impress me.


I can fall with the best of them.
 
2013-08-19 04:40:58 PM
All these armchair swimmers talking trash.  The situation of a boating accident is different in reality than how you imagine.  This is exactly why people drown!  You think you can swim 100 yards any day of the week, but its not so!  When you end up in the water unexpectedly many small things go wrong that you just never thought about.  For example, you are wearing tennis shoes and jeans.  Swimming in these when you are not expecting to can lead to panic and exhaustion.

Instead, the the take away from this story is that anybody can drown in a little water close to shore so you should always have a life-vest on when in a boat. ALWAYS. Don't find out the hard way that your estimations are wrong.
 
2013-08-19 04:54:45 PM

Kimpak: NOAA says the water temp for Lake Champlain is around 70 degrees give or take a few.  If you can't swim 100yds in that to save your life, you shouldn't be out there.  Under ideal conditions I can swim that in less than 2 minutes.  So even if I'm swimming ridiculously slow, I should be able to do it in under 5.  Probably not going to die in 5 mins of 70 degree water.


Can you swim to the gym in 26 minutes?
 
2013-08-19 07:25:54 PM
going out on the water without a PFD, is exactly the same as riding a motorcycle without a helmet.
/ya' take yer chances.
 
2013-08-19 09:06:36 PM
Boloxor the Insipid:   For example, you are wearing tennis shoes and jeans.  Swimming in these when you are not expecting to can lead to panic and exhaustion.

Only if you're a total dumbass.
Removing the shoes could be done in a single breath.
Depending on how tight the jeans are, they could be an issue. but if you can't swim 100 yards in jeans, then you're a dumbass if you aren't wearing a PFD anytime you're on the water
 
2013-08-19 11:24:20 PM
How did this piece of shiat story get greened?
 
2013-08-20 01:25:52 AM

Yakk: No doctor but even I know even "warm" water can cause hypothermia.


I recently conducted a purely unscientific test in which I noticed that the 50F air in a cave I was visiting felt exactly like the 68F water temperature of the lake I had been swimming in earlier in the day.
 
2013-08-20 08:24:19 AM

Krieghund: Can you swim to the gym in 26 minutes?


100 yards in 2 minutes isn't exactly showing off...
 
2013-08-20 01:25:25 PM

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: Yakk: No doctor but even I know even "warm" water can cause hypothermia.

I recently conducted a purely unscientific test in which I noticed that the 50F air in a cave I was visiting felt exactly like the 68F water temperature of the lake I had been swimming in earlier in the day.


nips got hard?
 
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