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(Orlando Sentinel)   One state considers undoing that whole separation of church and state thing   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 102
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2013-08-19 08:00:50 AM  
But not the Church's don't pay taxes part, because that would be wrong.
 
2013-08-19 08:02:26 AM  
thiswillnotendwell.jpg
 
2013-08-19 08:10:02 AM  
These people would do well to remember that not only does the state need protected from the church, the church needs protected from the state.  Careful what you wish for, etc.
 
2013-08-19 08:13:01 AM  
One state? Just one?
 
2013-08-19 08:14:53 AM  
WTF is the "one state?" This was a syndicated column that appeared in a Florida newspaper and there's nothing going on in Florida that is remotely like what the headline alleges.
 
2013-08-19 08:14:55 AM  

nekom: These people would do well to remember that not only does the state need protected from the church, the church needs protected from the state.  Careful what you wish for, etc.


*protection

And people should protect themselves from both as much as they can.
 
2013-08-19 08:15:14 AM  

nekom: These people would do well to remember that not only does the state need protected from the church, the church needs protected from the state.  Careful what you wish for, etc.


Western PA? *checks profile* Yup.
 
2013-08-19 08:17:50 AM  
Sure, we need the dues! 

astro.temple.edu

J/K - render unto Ceasar's what is Ceasar's and all that
BUT....while we're on the topic, I would like to have some of these "megachurches" stop pretending they are houses of worship and start ponying up the taxes that they should be paying as businesses
 
2013-08-19 08:18:59 AM  
So is Florida trying to make congress Congpass  law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof? Hmmm, interesting
 
2013-08-19 08:20:45 AM  

swankywanky: BUT....while we're on the topic, I would like to have some of these "megachurches" stop pretending they are houses of worship and start ponying up the taxes that they should be paying as businesses


but surely all that money they're not paying in tax they're giving to the poor, or doing good works with?

im not being disingenuous here (well maybe a bit)... im interested
 
2013-08-19 08:23:28 AM  
Meh. Both are based upon the art of lying anyway.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-19 08:23:35 AM  
These people certainly don't understand what freedom of religion actually means.

http://jezebel.com/5923898/republican-horrified-to-discover-that-chr is tianity-is-not-the-only-religion

That's a story about a state senator going apeshiat because the money for religious schools she set up is going to dirty muzlims.
 
2013-08-19 08:23:39 AM  

Lady J: swankywanky: BUT....while we're on the topic, I would like to have some of these "megachurches" stop pretending they are houses of worship and start ponying up the taxes that they should be paying as businesses

but surely all that money they're not paying in tax they're giving to the poor, or doing good works with?

im not being disingenuous here (well maybe a bit)... im interested


Probably giving and doing more good than the Red Cross and other "non-profits".
 
2013-08-19 08:23:40 AM  
Welcome to the Church of the First Republican, brothers and sisters. What a great day our Repubican leaders have made.

Please turn in your bible to Book of Reagan, First Term chapter 3. And he did see the tax rates for the rich cuteth and they did trickle down. Amen, brothers and sisters. Amen. And catsup shall be a vegetable for ever and a day. Amen.

And now time for our hymn. Please turn to Page 347 and sing along

Obama is wrong. he can't see the light
Even though he's exactly like George W
The man just can't see the light.

Though the national debt did fall
from 2001 to 2009
Obama's been spending crazily
and that's an impeachable crime


All together now

And that's an impeachable crime...

Okay. It's time to pass the plate. Everyone pony up 10% as is the custom. But if you make over $250,000, you get to cut 4% because you pay way too much for what you get. And if you make less that 40,000, pony up an extra 5% because you really don't pay your fail share.

Now go in peace and remember Commandment 3: If thou are opposed to it, complain loudly and with much blind rage. Change shall come in 8 years.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-19 08:24:18 AM  

Lady J: but surely all that money they're not paying in tax they're giving to the poor, or doing good works with?


For a mega church, "good works" is defined as another private jet for the company... I mean church.
 
2013-08-19 08:24:55 AM  

Joe Blowme: Lady J: swankywanky: BUT....while we're on the topic, I would like to have some of these "megachurches" stop pretending they are houses of worship and start ponying up the taxes that they should be paying as businesses

but surely all that money they're not paying in tax they're giving to the poor, or doing good works with?

im not being disingenuous here (well maybe a bit)... im interested

Probably giving and doing more good than the Red Cross and other "non-profits".


citation?
 
2013-08-19 08:25:50 AM  
im not going to keep saying 'citation', im just going to think it
 
2013-08-19 08:26:39 AM  
Alliance Defending Freedom

img202.imageshack.us
 
2013-08-19 08:27:27 AM  
LOL - you all are gettin' trolled by subby.

The first sentence of the article is:  Religion News Service reporter Sarah Pulliam Bailey writes about a commission of religious leaders urging Congress to drop its ban -- in the name of free speech -- on preachers making political endorsements from the pulpit.

Try reading the article.  I find it helps with that annoying knee-jerk.
 
2013-08-19 08:29:58 AM  
Which one of the 57 states is that?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-19 08:30:22 AM  

Lucky LaRue: LOL - you all are gettin' trolled by subby.

The first sentence of the article is:  Religion News Service reporter Sarah Pulliam Bailey writes about a commission of religious leaders urging Congress to drop its ban -- in the name of free speech -- on preachers making political endorsements from the pulpit.

Try reading the article.  I find it helps with that annoying knee-jerk.


There IS NO ban.  It's just they have to pay taxes if they DO become political.  That seems plenty fair to me.
 
2013-08-19 08:30:53 AM  
A commission of religious leaders has called for clarity in churches' ability to endorse candidates and issues from the without fear of losing their tax-exempt status.

Ok, here you go: once you start telling your parishioners who to vote for and what propositions to support, you're no longer a "church." You're a political organization and should have your tax-exempt status revoked immediately. This is something you and the IRS agreed to.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-19 08:31:02 AM  

oryx: Which one of the 57 states is that?


*drink*
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-19 08:34:00 AM  

Lucky LaRue: LOL - you all are gettin' trolled by subby.

The first sentence of the article is:  Religion News Service reporter Sarah Pulliam Bailey writes about a commission of religious leaders urging Congress to drop its ban -- in the name of free speech -- on preachers making political endorsements from the pulpit.

Try reading the article.  I find it helps with that annoying knee-jerk.


I've read it.  It pretty clearly referred to the tax exempt status of churches and being able to endorse candidates without losing that status.
 
2013-08-19 08:34:40 AM  

oryx: Which one of the 57 states is that?


Denial.
 
2013-08-19 08:34:55 AM  
Tax them.
You want to lobby politics?
You pay the piper.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-19 08:35:36 AM  

nekom: These people would do well to remember that not only does the state need protected from the church, the church needs protected from the state.  Careful what you wish for, etc.


I think it's too late to worry about that.  Politics has already corrupted the Evangelical Churches.
 
2013-08-19 08:35:45 AM  

NutWrench: A commission of religious leaders has called for clarity in churches' ability to endorse candidates and issues from the without fear of losing their tax-exempt status.

Ok, here you go: once you start telling your parishioners who to vote for and what propositions to support, you're no longer a "church." You're a political organization and should have your tax-exempt status revoked immediately. This is something you and the IRS agreed to.


But if the IRS asks you things like "Are you telling the parishioners who to vote for?"  They are unfairly targeting Republican Churches.   Never mind, that as soon as you say Republican Church, you are proving that you are not being unfairly targeted.
 
2013-08-19 08:37:08 AM  
Nothing at all wrong with churches getting into the politics game. However, they should pay the admission fee like any other group/person has to.
 
2013-08-19 08:37:20 AM  

sxacho: Western PA?


Born and raised.
 
2013-08-19 08:37:49 AM  

vpb: Lucky LaRue: LOL - you all are gettin' trolled by subby.

The first sentence of the article is:  Religion News Service reporter Sarah Pulliam Bailey writes about a commission of religious leaders urging Congress to drop its ban -- in the name of free speech -- on preachers making political endorsements from the pulpit.

Try reading the article.  I find it helps with that annoying knee-jerk.

I've read it.  It pretty clearly referred to the tax exempt status of churches and being able to endorse candidates without losing that status.


Then I guess you decided to skip the submitted headline about how a certain US State was considering undoing the separation of church and state?  Or are you trying to tell me that what you read parallels that implication?
 
2013-08-19 08:39:12 AM  

Lady J: swankywanky: BUT....while we're on the topic, I would like to have some of these "megachurches" stop pretending they are houses of worship and start ponying up the taxes that they should be paying as businesses

but surely all that money they're not paying in tax they're giving to the poor, or doing good works with?

im not being disingenuous here (well maybe a bit)... im interested


they may in fact give money towards charitable efforts and the poor.  but I also know you don't build something like this without having a WHOLE LOT of scratch:

commonsenseatheism.com
 
2013-08-19 08:40:07 AM  

nekom: These people would do well to remember that not only does the state need protected from the church, the church needs protected from the state.  Careful what you wish for, etc.


And not a truer thing was said this day

People advocating one tend to forget the other and the consequences that come with it
 
2013-08-19 08:41:51 AM  

swankywanky: Lady J: swankywanky: BUT....while we're on the topic, I would like to have some of these "megachurches" stop pretending they are houses of worship and start ponying up the taxes that they should be paying as businesses

but surely all that money they're not paying in tax they're giving to the poor, or doing good works with?

im not being disingenuous here (well maybe a bit)... im interested

they may in fact give money towards charitable efforts and the poor.  but I also know you don't build something like this without having a WHOLE LOT of scratch:

[commonsenseatheism.com image 500x309]


I always wondered about people who attend places like that.  It can't be for the "community", because you can only care about so many people.
 
2013-08-19 08:42:08 AM  
You know what kind of countries don't separate politics and religion?  ones like Egypt.

Look how farking well that's going for them.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-19 08:42:16 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Then I guess you decided to skip the submitted headline about how a certain US State was considering undoing the separation of church and state?  Or are you trying to tell me that what you read parallels that implication?


No, the comments were mostly about taxation and candidate endorsements.  I thought that was what you were talking about.
 
2013-08-19 08:42:29 AM  

d23: Lady J: but surely all that money they're not paying in tax they're giving to the poor, or doing good works with?

For a mega church, "good works" is defined as another private jet for the company... I mean church.


We've got a local Baptist church that has been in this generally nondescript brick and wood building for as long as I can remember (and even longer, I'm sure).  It's right across the street from them gay-lovin' Universalists, so they had to get the hell out of Dodge.  So, what they did was this:  they bought out the ice cream parlor at the top of a nearby hill (same street, just further up the road), plus the surrounding land, and built a megachurch, replete with a gymnasium and school.  It's right across the street from Crazy Wood-Carving Guy, who was forced by the town, at the urging of these good Christians, to remove all these 'eyesores' because they freaked out the straights.

So, now we have less art (although, a lot of it was pretty freaky, but that's not for me to judge) and a big megachurch at the top of a hill.

I hate this place, sometimes...
 
2013-08-19 08:42:44 AM  

swankywanky: Lady J: swankywanky: BUT....while we're on the topic, I would like to have some of these "megachurches" stop pretending they are houses of worship and start ponying up the taxes that they should be paying as businesses

but surely all that money they're not paying in tax they're giving to the poor, or doing good works with?

im not being disingenuous here (well maybe a bit)... im interested

they may in fact give money towards charitable efforts and the poor.  but I also know you don't build something like this without having a WHOLE LOT of scratch:

[commonsenseatheism.com image 500x309]


in fairness, them doing their god bothering in a nice venue benefits everyone involved, not just the church leaders. do those church leaders live in ridiculously fancy houses and own islands in the south sea though?
 
2013-08-19 08:43:35 AM  

Wyalt Derp: sxacho: Western PA?

Born and raised.


On a playground is where I spent most of my days.
 
2013-08-19 08:44:25 AM  

swankywanky: commonsenseatheism.com


Ok, our 'megachurch' isn't quite THAT big, but it's still probably the biggest building within 50 miles...

/minimegachurch?
 
2013-08-19 08:50:31 AM  
This article is crap. Pastors are allowed to have personal opinions, and are allowed to express them.

And dropping references to black churches weirds me out for some reason.
 
2013-08-19 08:54:49 AM  

Wyalt Derp: Born and raised


Likewise, and din't waste a second to beat feet after getting out of highschool.

Going back is like visiting the orphanage you escaped from and finding out the students weren't really "special," just taught to think they were.
 
2013-08-19 08:58:48 AM  

EvilEgg: But if the IRS asks you things like "Are you telling the parishioners who to vote for?" They are unfairly targeting Republican Churches. Never mind, that as soon as you say Republican Church, you are proving that you are not being unfairly targeted.


If you ask the IRS to revoke your tax exempt status, you can avoid those conversations altogether.
 
2013-08-19 08:58:50 AM  

Lady J: Joe Blowme: Lady J: swankywanky: BUT....while we're on the topic, I would like to have some of these "megachurches" stop pretending they are houses of worship and start ponying up the taxes that they should be paying as businesses

but surely all that money they're not paying in tax they're giving to the poor, or doing good works with?

im not being disingenuous here (well maybe a bit)... im interested

Probably giving and doing more good than the Red Cross and other "non-profits".

citation?


gis Administrative cost as a % of "income" for red cross.

/not defending mega churches or any others, just sayin
 
2013-08-19 09:07:39 AM  

Lady J: them doing their god bothering in a nice venue


Phrase of the week.
 
2013-08-19 09:07:44 AM  

Joe Blowme: gis Administrative cost as a % of "income" for red cross.



but i donate to them! it assuages my middle class guilt. i dont want to find out that's actually a waste of money and I need to do something real!
 
2013-08-19 09:07:48 AM  
"My concern is what that kind of change would make to the integrity and the unity of the church itself,"

Oh, that's rich.

*my emphasis*
 
2013-08-19 09:12:54 AM  
"The report shows that black churches have, for lack of a better word, gotten away with it for many years"

Heh.  "Well, the BLACKS are doing it, so we should be able to have all the white churches openly campaigning for the Republican party."
 
2013-08-19 09:21:56 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: Welcome to the Church of the First Republican, brothers and sisters. What a great day our Repubican leaders have made.

Please turn in your bible to Book of Reagan, First Term chapter 3. And he did see the tax rates for the rich cuteth and they did trickle down. Amen, brothers and sisters. Amen. And catsup shall be a vegetable for ever and a day. Amen.

And now time for our hymn. Please turn to Page 347 and sing along

Obama is wrong. he can't see the light
Even though he's exactly like George W
The man just can't see the light.

Though the national debt did fall
from 2001 to 2009
Obama's been spending crazily
and that's an impeachable crime

All together now

And that's an impeachable crime...

Okay. It's time to pass the plate. Everyone pony up 10% as is the custom. But if you make over $250,000, you get to cut 4% because you pay way too much for what you get. And if you make less that 40,000, pony up an extra 5% because you really don't pay your fail share.

Now go in peace and remember Commandment 3: If thou are opposed to it, complain loudly and with much blind rage. Change shall come in 8 years.



Was I supposed to hear this guy:
escapetoreality.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-19 09:23:06 AM  
They're just looking out for the black churches, huh?

You know, you can legally endorse candidates today. Now about those past due taxes...

It is also a good thing that they've studied the New Testament so much. They really took the parts about Jesus establishing a literal kingdom on Earth to heart.
 
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