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(Salon)   Salon columnist confesses the heretical thought that the great and powerful Obama may have lied to them, their loyal press lapdogs; high priests Kos, ThinkProgress and MediaMatters prescribe three Hail Bidens and five b-b-b-b-b-but-Bushes   (salon.com) divider line 144
    More: Obvious, President Obama, thinkprogress, kos, The L Word, domestic spying, Media Matters for America, FISA Court, NSA  
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2013-08-19 08:26:31 AM
Methinks subby doth protest too much.
 
2013-08-19 08:28:45 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-19 08:29:05 AM
Things right wingers tell themselves in 2013 to make themselves feel better. I Don't blame them - if you read the actual polls and demographic stats - the handwriting is on the wall. I wouldn't be happy if I was them, either.
 
2013-08-19 08:29:25 AM
It's almost like the reports that outlined unintended and intended abuses in a classified spy agency would be classified and releasing those classified documents would be illegal.
 
2013-08-19 08:29:30 AM
Looks like subby can't sit down for the day.
 
2013-08-19 08:29:30 AM
You don't actually read the Great Orange Satan, do you, subby?
 
2013-08-19 08:30:12 AM
This is Obama's Benghazi.
 
2013-08-19 08:31:15 AM
FTFA:  With the latest major revelation about National Security Agency surveillance, there's a huge taboo question that needs to be put out on the table: Has President Obama been deliberately lying about the NSA, or have his statements just been repeatedly "wrong"?


Exactly.  We mustn't ask it.

'We' being the state-media, of course...
 
2013-08-19 08:31:42 AM
Politicians lie. It's what they do.

The fact that a group of journalists was (and is) so willing to believe that this president wouldn't lie to them says far more about the journalists than it does about Obama.
 
2013-08-19 08:34:44 AM

Cybernetic: Politicians lie. It's what they do.

The fact that a group of journalists was (and is) so willing to believe that this president wouldn't lie to them says far more about the journalists than it does about Obama.


www.smalltownwebs.info
 
2013-08-19 08:36:35 AM
Pretty wild that weak SQL queries lead some people to think its a conspiracy that goes all the way to the top.
 
2013-08-19 08:36:43 AM

Neighborhood Watch: FTFA:  With the latest major revelation about National Security Agency surveillance, there's a huge taboo question that needs to be put out on the table: Has President Obama been deliberately lying about the NSA, or have his statements just been repeatedly "wrong"?


Exactly.  We mustn't ask it.

'We' being the state-media, of course...


This was asked last time and I think you ducked the question then.  Which media is state run and what proof do you have that the state is running it?
 
2013-08-19 08:37:05 AM

Cybernetic: Politicians lie. It's what they do.

The fact that a group of journalists was (and is) so willing to believe that this president wouldn't lie to them says far more about the journalists than it does about Obama.


So what does it say about all the normal people willing to believe this president? They'll be along shortly to explain why this doesn't matter, why he didn't lie, why we already knew everything, or why it isn't his fault in any case because other Presidents.
 
2013-08-19 08:37:32 AM
So what are liberals going to do about it?

Vote for change?

Again?
 
2013-08-19 08:38:14 AM
he's not the (liberal) messiah. he's a very naughty boy.
 
2013-08-19 08:38:29 AM

enry: This was asked last time and I think you ducked the question then.  Which media is state run and what proof do you have that the state is running it?


, he asked the Zimmerman-themed gimmick account
 
2013-08-19 08:38:41 AM
I think conservatives really overplay this point of the great leader or whatever--at least in my perspective. After the NSA thing is decided I wasn't going to defend this president any more. I'm a Libby lib, I voted for him, and the only thing i will say in his defense is that Romney would not have been a better president, at least not in the terms of the people I have political banter wish he would be.
 
2013-08-19 08:38:53 AM

enry: Neighborhood Watch: FTFA:  With the latest major revelation about National Security Agency surveillance, there's a huge taboo question that needs to be put out on the table: Has President Obama been deliberately lying about the NSA, or have his statements just been repeatedly "wrong"?


Exactly.  We mustn't ask it.

'We' being the state-media, of course...

This was asked last time and I think you ducked the question then.  Which media is state run and what proof do you have that the state is running it?


At some point, state appeasing and state run kinda blur together.
 
2013-08-19 08:40:12 AM

TimonC346: I voted for him, and the only thing i will say in his defense is that Romney would not have been a better president


Yeah, OK, that's a fair point.
 
2013-08-19 08:41:55 AM
One thing's for sure, he's no Ronald Reagan(PBUH).
 
2013-08-19 08:46:40 AM

Cybernetic: The fact that a group of journalists was (and is) so willing to believe that this president wouldn't lie to them says far more about the journalists than it does about Obama.


It amazes me how often journalists just report whatever the government says as fact, even when they can only do so through completely unaccountable anonymous government officials.

A couple people from the FBI just made up the fact that Snowden gave secret information to China and told it to NYT (I think?). It was reported, and now most people believe that he said it, even though the only evidence for it is a couple people that have every reason to lie about him.

Or the government has come out and said "we consider every male between 16 and 65 killed by us to be a terrorist unless they are proved otherwise." And yet the newspapers always dutifully roll out the "16 terrorists were killed in a drone bombing today" every time a press release goes out from the WH.
 
2013-08-19 08:46:43 AM

Neighborhood Watch: state-media


Silly Neighborhood Watch.  The state doesn't run the media.  Soros does.
 
2013-08-19 08:46:49 AM
You'd think a bunch of highly educated liberals would be able to figure out that campaigning and governance are two different things.
 
2013-08-19 08:48:00 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: Neighborhood Watch: state-media

Silly Neighborhood Watch.  The state doesn't run the media.  Soros does.


For most people who "fight the power" their news media of choice, Russia Today, is a state-owned media.
 
2013-08-19 08:48:13 AM

sendtodave: So what are liberals going to do about it?

Vote for change?

Again?


well I, for one, will not vote for him next time!
 
2013-08-19 08:49:26 AM
Bush Lied, people know that "that's just what politicians do" so we all got some orange fraps and had a nice gas fight.
 
2013-08-19 08:50:11 AM

jaggspb: sendtodave: So what are liberals going to do about it?

Vote for change?

Again?

well I, for one, will not vote for him next time!


Go 'way!! They're 'batin'!

Seriously man - they have no future - let them have their fun.
 
2013-08-19 08:54:17 AM

Outrageous Muff: Pants full of macaroni!!: Neighborhood Watch: state-media

Silly Neighborhood Watch.  The state doesn't run the media.  Soros does.

For most people who "fight the power" their news media of choice, Russia Today, is a state-owned media.


Is that news source any good? I've heard several people claim it as the only trust worthy news source. I never put it together until you mentioned this, but thinking about it, they're all "fight the power" type people.

I've never read it, but I wouldn't really consider anything coming from a Russia controlled media to be trust worthy.
 
2013-08-19 08:57:02 AM

Outrageous Muff: Pants full of macaroni!!: Neighborhood Watch: state-media

Silly Neighborhood Watch.  The state doesn't run the media.  Soros does.

For most people who "fight the power" their news media of choice, Russia Today, is a state-owned media.


I prefer NHKWorld to RT, though RT does sometimes offer an interesting perspective on things. France Vingt-Quatre is often pretty good too
 
2013-08-19 08:58:08 AM

Cybernetic: The fact that a group of journalists was (and is) so willing to believe that this president wouldn't lie to them says far more about the journalists than it does about Obama.


In the case of Kos, ThinkProgress, and MediaMatters, however, we're not talking about "journalists", so I suppose they can be excused.
 
2013-08-19 08:58:16 AM

mgshamster: Is that news source any good? I've heard several people claim it as the only trust worthy news source. I never put it together until you mentioned this, but thinking about it, they're all "fight the power" type people.

I've never read it, but I wouldn't really consider anything coming from a Russia controlled media to be trust worthy.


RT is funded directly from the Federal budget of Russia.
 
2013-08-19 08:58:23 AM

sendtodave: So what are liberals going to do about it?

Vote for change?

Again?


Democrats may not have answers, but at least they're not Republican.
 
2013-08-19 09:00:42 AM
<waves to his Liebrul comrades>

Hey, I found all the Fark Indupendints!  They're over here in this thread!  Let's come watch them masturbate each other spastically!
 
2013-08-19 09:01:15 AM

sendtodave: So what are liberals going to do about it?

Vote for change?

Again?


You could always PICK. ANOTHER. NAME. But no, that would be actual change, and people are fearful of going outside their prescribed Republican -Democratic lines.

/No? Then enjoy Hillary. She's the best you're getting
 
2013-08-19 09:01:34 AM

sendtodave: enry: Neighborhood Watch: FTFA:  With the latest major revelation about National Security Agency surveillance, there's a huge taboo question that needs to be put out on the table: Has President Obama been deliberately lying about the NSA, or have his statements just been repeatedly "wrong"?


Exactly.  We mustn't ask it.

'We' being the state-media, of course...

This was asked last time and I think you ducked the question then.  Which media is state run and what proof do you have that the state is running it?

At some point, state appeasing and state run kinda blur together.


Yeah, when the state actually takes over.  And having a bunch of 'journalists' run by 'business leaders' doesn't really count as a balance to whatever perceived journalistic issues there seem to be.
 
2013-08-19 09:02:33 AM

MayoSlather: Democrats may not have answers, but at least they're not Republican.


I understand (and to an extent, agree with) that sentiment.  But isn't that setting the bar awfully low?  Too many self-described "liberals" seem content with "not Republican" as their only choice of candidate.
 
2013-08-19 09:04:07 AM

enry: sendtodave: enry: Neighborhood Watch: FTFA:  With the latest major revelation about National Security Agency surveillance, there's a huge taboo question that needs to be put out on the table: Has President Obama been deliberately lying about the NSA, or have his statements just been repeatedly "wrong"?


Exactly.  We mustn't ask it.

'We' being the state-media, of course...

This was asked last time and I think you ducked the question then.  Which media is state run and what proof do you have that the state is running it?

At some point, state appeasing and state run kinda blur together.

Yeah, when the state actually takes over.  And having a bunch of 'journalists' run by 'business leaders' doesn't really count as a balance to whatever perceived journalistic issues there seem to be.


No, that would be a solid line, not a blurry one.
 
2013-08-19 09:08:05 AM
Pealing the onion.
 
2013-08-19 09:08:09 AM

IlGreven: sendtodave: So what are liberals going to do about it?

Vote for change?

Again?

You could always PICK. ANOTHER. NAME. But no, that would be actual change, and people are fearful of going outside their prescribed Republican -Democratic lines.

/No? Then enjoy Hillary. She's the best you're getting


What would be the problem with Hillary? If she governs anything like Bill I think we'd do fantastically well, especially given the economic outlook the next few years.
 
2013-08-19 09:13:01 AM
Lying: It's only bad when Democratic presidents do it... If you lie about a Beej, it's an "impeachable offense", if you lie to get us into a war, it's a reason to tape a "funny" video where you go around the WH with a shiat-eating grin, looking for the WMD that thousands have died searching for.

/Got it
 
2013-08-19 09:14:27 AM

cameroncrazy1984: IlGreven: sendtodave: So what are liberals going to do about it?

Vote for change?

Again?

You could always PICK. ANOTHER. NAME. But no, that would be actual change, and people are fearful of going outside their prescribed Republican -Democratic lines.

/No? Then enjoy Hillary. She's the best you're getting

What would be the problem with Hillary? If she governs anything like Bill I think we'd do fantastically well, especially given the economic outlook the next few years.


Neo-liberalism is a kind of liberalism.

But, well, President Clinton has said that the War on Drugs hasn't worked, and that Americans need to be on guard for governmental abuses of power, and for government accountability and transparency, so there's that.

Maybe the second President Clinton would agree.

Eh, fark it, I'll take that bet.
 
2013-08-19 09:15:23 AM

Mikey1969: Lying: It's only bad when Democratic presidents do it... If you lie about a Beej, it's an "impeachable offense", if you lie to get us into a war, it's a reason to tape a "funny" video where you go around the WH with a shiat-eating grin, looking for the WMD that thousands have died searching for.

/Got it


BSABSVD?
 
2013-08-19 09:18:07 AM

MayoSlather: sendtodave: So what are liberals going to do about it?

Vote for change?

Again?

Democrats may not have answers, but at least they're not Republican.


Self-destructive American politics summed up in four sentences.
 
2013-08-19 09:18:29 AM

Mikey1969: Lying: It's only bad when Democratic presidents do it... If you lie about a Beej, it's an "impeachable offense", if you lie to get us into a war, it's a reason to tape a "funny" video where you go around the WH with a shiat-eating grin, looking for the WMD that thousands have died searching for.

/Got it


Can we please stop making this a matter of degrees already? We're grown ups (most of us). You are comparing a shiat husband to a war criminal, yet you've left out the person this article was about - the current president.

Are his lies okay by you? Answer me that and that alone, if you would.
 
2013-08-19 09:21:49 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: It amazes me how often journalists just report whatever the government says as fact, even when they can only do so through completely unaccountable anonymous government officials.


Of course, I'm sure that troll accounts like that were JUST as upset over this issue from 2000 to 2008.  Right?
 
2013-08-19 09:24:34 AM

phenn: Are his lies okay by you? Answer me that and that alone, if you would.


No, not at all.
 
2013-08-19 09:25:50 AM

sendtodave: So what are liberals going to do about it?

Vote for change?

Again?


So Vote Jeb Bush.
 
2013-08-19 09:27:15 AM

GoldSpider: MayoSlather: Democrats may not have answers, but at least they're not Republican.

I understand (and to an extent, agree with) that sentiment.  But isn't that setting the bar awfully low?  Too many self-described "liberals" seem content with "not Republican" as their only choice of candidate.


It really is. However right now there is little other choice. It's going to take a movement that's much larger than ows to force real change because it seems rather unlikely in the current system.
 
2013-08-19 09:27:25 AM

IlGreven: sendtodave: So what are liberals going to do about it?

Vote for change?

Again?

You could always PICK. ANOTHER. NAME. But no, that would be actual change, and people are fearful of going outside their prescribed Republican -Democratic lines.

/No? Then enjoy Hillary. She's the best you're getting


Ever notice when you tell people to PICK. ANOTHER. NAME. you never actually offer one as a starting point?
 
2013-08-19 09:27:48 AM

jayhawk88: sendtodave: So what are liberals going to do about it?

Vote for change?

Again?

So Vote Jeb Bush.


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