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(Providence Journal)   Tea Party Patriots come out in force after one of their members attempts to burn down a bridge to protest a 10-cent toll. Sign goodness: "No tolls for trolls", "Obama lied, freedom died", "Hooked on phonics didn't work for me"   (providencejournal.com) divider line 166
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2013-08-19 02:39:33 PM

derpy: I know this is fark, and serious opinions are not welcome, but if you want to allow locals to cross the bridge for free and just charge tourists and out-of towners, just do this:


Why should the locals get a free ride? It's not the tourists' fault they decided to live on an island.
 
2013-08-19 02:40:11 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: BeesNuts: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Bridges increase the revenue generated from taxes.  People need to stop pretending they're an expense, when in reality they're an asset.

Then you can explain why the privately owned bridge went bankrupt, and the tolls are becoming a serious problem for the company in charge of the Authority's finance?

You apparently cannot comprehend my statement.  Not even slightly.

Bridges increase trade, which increases tax revenue, which pays for the bridge.  The money to pay for maintenance should come out of the EXTRA taxes the local taxing authority takes in, but instead, they pretend that all those taxes are the norm, and then ask for extra money to pay for the thing that's making them more money.  It's not a difficult concept.


But what if we've already reduced the taxes on trade to lure the businesses there in the first place, Texas-style. Are you telling me we should do the Socio-Marxo-Commun-Obama-astic thing of taxing job creators to simply pay off a bridge that is built for everyone's use?
 
2013-08-19 02:41:01 PM

propasaurus: "It's a working man's bridge," she said. "You stand out there in the morning during the week, as opposed to Saturday and Sunday, it's full of people going to work."

Yeah! And working men should get free bridges!


Surely he'd support that along with another commuter-heavy bridge! Something like, say, the Golden Gate and Bay Bridges that lead into San Francisco! And not just the one that he personally uses!
 
2013-08-19 02:55:19 PM

derpy: I know this is fark, and serious opinions are not welcome, but if you want to allow locals to cross the bridge for free and just charge tourists and out-of towners, just do this:
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I'd agree with you if it was $5 but it's a dime.  And they are the party most directly benefitting from this bridge.  So they better darn well pay for it.
 
2013-08-19 02:59:49 PM
How do the economics of this work.  $0.10 is not much money and you'd need to collect about 150 tolls per hour just to pay minimum wage to each toll booth attendant.  That works out to 2.5 cars per minute per booth and if it takes 7.5 seconds per toll transaction (8 per minute) then 1/3 of the collected toll money goes simply to wages.  Add the cost of the toll equipment, upkeep, managing the change etc. and there can't be much if any money left over to actually maintain the bridge.

Not against tolls, but this seems economically non-viable.
 
2013-08-19 03:44:09 PM

Mr. Eugenides: $0.10 is not much money and you'd need to collect about 150 tolls per hour just to pay minimum wage to each toll booth attendant.


How about if it's automated?
 
2013-08-19 03:55:40 PM

Fart_Machine: Mr. Eugenides: $0.10 is not much money and you'd need to collect about 150 tolls per hour just to pay minimum wage to each toll booth attendant.

How about if it's automated?


I assume for the most part it would be but it doesn't really matter if it is, you still need at least 2 attendants (one for each direction of traffic) because you cannot ever totally automate such a system because there are no roads that are used exclusively by locals.

My point still stands, 10 cents seems far too low a toll to actually accomplish the task they're trying to accomplish and if the required maintenance funds are so low in the first place there should be room in the state's general fund budget to cover it rather than creating a bureaucratic system that would cost more to maintain that the funds it raises.
 
2013-08-19 04:51:05 PM
LouDobbsAwaaaay: Teabaggers are stupid, violent, dangerous people.
 
2013-08-19 04:56:46 PM
Perhaps they should privatize it.  Sell it to a private equity fund.  Then it would be free, because private sector efficiency and the freedoms, right?
 
2013-08-19 06:12:55 PM
So, let's add toll roads to the list of things that never existed before Obama. Toll Road will be joining the following illustrious company:

The war in Afghanistan
NSA
The Patriot Act
Tsars (or Czars)
Taxes
Homeland Security
Attacks on embassies
Increases in insurance rates
 
2013-08-19 07:33:31 PM

Mr. Eugenides: I assume for the most part it would be but it doesn't really matter if it is, you still need at least 2 attendants (one for each direction of traffic) because you cannot ever totally automate such a system because there are no roads that are used exclusively by locals.


Probably they use a plate reader and bill the people without transponders, which is what Toronto did to me when I drove onto one of their toll roads expecting there to be a toll booth.

If the state keeps things at a simple dime-a-trip charge for everybody it's pretty cheap to maintain...but no way does that toll stay a dime for more than a few years.
 
2013-08-19 08:39:45 PM
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Problem solved
 
2013-08-19 08:52:54 PM
Mayor Quimby:Are these people getting dumber or just louder?
Aide: Dumber, Sir!
 
2013-08-20 12:57:55 AM
www.bowdoindailysun.com

It's just too much to ask people to help pay for the things they use, amirite?
 
2013-08-20 11:37:47 AM

derpy: I know this is fark, and serious opinions are not welcome, but if you want to allow locals to cross the bridge for free and just charge tourists and out-of towners, just do this:
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Except you could easily exit, take local road to the next entrance, and avoid the toll completely.  Then the tourists would be using the local roads, requiring more maintenance on them, and the morons in the article would be complaining about the traffic, requiring additional traffic control measures, which, of course, cost money.
 
2013-08-20 12:14:19 PM
Welcome to Aynrandistan.  That'll be $200 for the transponder you'll need to drive on our roads.  The transponder will only be used for billing purposes.  Trust us.
 
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