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(Providence Journal)   Tea Party Patriots come out in force after one of their members attempts to burn down a bridge to protest a 10-cent toll. Sign goodness: "No tolls for trolls", "Obama lied, freedom died", "Hooked on phonics didn't work for me"   (providencejournal.com ) divider line
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2013-08-19 08:58:06 AM  
I could see this kind of stupid shiat happening in Michigan.  And in the meantime, we spend 1/3 of our state budget on keeping tens of thousands of nonviolent offenders in prison.....
 
2013-08-19 08:58:57 AM  

Jackson Herring: BeesNuts: Okay, this is all actually hilarious the more I look into it.  Where to start!

Oh god damn it.


I know right?

Notabunny: Muta: I hate stopping for tolls.  They should just increase taxes to cover the cost of maintaining the bridge.


Interestingly enough, they can't finance this bridge with taxes because of the nature of the contract between the state and the RITBA.

"No tax dollars, state or local, are received by the Authority for debt service or expenses incurred in the operation and maintenance of the bridges and associated buildings and grounds. Rather, all obligations are satisfied with funds received in the form of toll revenue and investment income."

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"A trust agreement between the Authority and bondholders requires the former to maintain and operate the bridges in an efficient and economical manner. The Authority is at all times to maintain the bridges in good repair and sound operational condition, and to make all necessary repairs, renewals, and replacements."


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We have to pay for it, but we can't take any money from the state.  And if we leverage investments too much, we cede control over those bridges to private companies.
 
2013-08-19 09:02:09 AM  
Teabaggers are stupid, violent, dangerous people.
 
2013-08-19 09:07:14 AM  
Looks more like a frat initiation.

There were no tolls in Texas before Fearless Leader, except in the godless big cities of Houston and Dallas.

No gun-toting, bible-thumping, sheep-loving normal Texans in normal Texas would ever have a Yankee-style toll, much less the Tea Sip Partiers. Now, it's tolls everywhere. You can't go to the corner store without paying tolls three times. Hell, you have to walk through a toll booth just to get to the living room in some spots.

Oh. There are so many tolls, so many campaign donors that EZPass doesn't work. In fact you need 3 or 4 different toll stickers to cover most of the toll roads. Who wants to roll down a window in 100° heat?

The bookies have Perry down as retiring in one of the countries that got the toll contracts, probably Spain..


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2013-08-19 09:13:15 AM  
First: I used to live there. People who live on Aqidneck Island and/or Tiverton can damned well afford to pay for their bridge. Seriously. These people own boats and waterfront property.

Second: This is a user fee, not a tax.  It's the exact sort of regressive money scheme these guys usually support, on par with sales tax and flat income tax.
 
2013-08-19 09:16:50 AM  

derpy: First: I used to live there. People who live on Aqidneck Island and/or Tiverton can damned well afford to pay for their bridge. Seriously. These people own boats and waterfront property.

Second: This is a user fee, not a tax.  It's the exact sort of regressive money scheme these guys usually support, on par with sales tax and flat income tax.


You'll find that the more people can afford to pay for things, the less they feel that they should.
 
2013-08-19 09:22:08 AM  
Maybe the Tea Partiers would prefer a free market solution?   A for-profit company could put up a bridge and charge whatever the market will bear, which I'm guessing is going to be a hell-of-a-lot more expensive than 10 cents a trip.
 
2013-08-19 09:26:07 AM  

czei: Maybe the Tea Partiers would prefer a free market solution?   A for-profit company could put up a bridge and charge whatever the market will bear, which I'm guessing is going to be a hell-of-a-lot more expensive than 10 cents a trip.


Apparently the market can't even bare that.

The free market would need to provide free bridges.
 
2013-08-19 09:33:41 AM  

doglover: fark toll bridges. Pain in the ass to stop and pay tolls when you're driving.


Because my car gets such good mileage, it's usually more cost-effective for me to simply go around the toll roads and bridges, even if that means a few extra miles....
 
2013-08-19 09:39:35 AM  
To be fair, TFA doesn't say they are Tea Party Patriots, but they fit the mold. Emphasis on stupid.
 
2013-08-19 09:39:39 AM  
Obama lied, freedom died, eagles cried.

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2013-08-19 09:45:39 AM  
I live in Michigan where we have no toll roads so I don't have an EZPass.  What pisses me off about paying tolls is that  I have to dig in my pocket for the money while driving.  It also irks me when paying a toll on an interstate.  I already paid taxes to drive on those roads paying a toll on top of the tax means I am effectively paying twice to ride on the road.
 
2013-08-19 09:47:01 AM  

Muta: I live in Michigan where we have no toll roads so I don't have an EZPass.  What pisses me off about paying tolls is that  I have to dig in my pocket for the money while driving.  It also irks me when paying a toll on an interstate.  I already paid taxes to drive on those roads paying a toll on top of the tax means I am effectively paying twice to ride on the road.


You said that Michigan doesn't have toll roads.

So, uh, you pay taxes for roads in other states?  Admirable.
 
2013-08-19 09:49:24 AM  
Tolls are stupid and regressive.  But I realized something.  Republicans like regressive taxes because it fuels anti-tax sentiments, which in turns lets them run on cutting taxes for the rich.  People who vote republican do so because of the kinds of taxes republicans support.
 
2013-08-19 09:54:18 AM  

BeesNuts: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Bridges increase the revenue generated from taxes.  People need to stop pretending they're an expense, when in reality they're an asset.

Then you can explain why the privately owned bridge went bankrupt, and the tolls are becoming a serious problem for the company in charge of the Authority's finance?


You apparently cannot comprehend my statement.  Not even slightly.

Bridges increase trade, which increases tax revenue, which pays for the bridge.  The money to pay for maintenance should come out of the EXTRA taxes the local taxing authority takes in, but instead, they pretend that all those taxes are the norm, and then ask for extra money to pay for the thing that's making them more money.  It's not a difficult concept.
 
2013-08-19 10:06:11 AM  

PopularFront: Wait, aren't these the same people accusing liberals of wanting "free stuff?"  Their lack of self awareness is staggering.

That said, if these people live on an island that connects by a bridge to the mainland, perhaps closing the bridge and eliminating the cost altogether is the way to go


If they were all at home on the island at the time the bridge is closed, there's no question that the mainlanders would certainly end up better off.
 
2013-08-19 10:07:33 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: BeesNuts: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Bridges increase the revenue generated from taxes.  People need to stop pretending they're an expense, when in reality they're an asset.

Then you can explain why the privately owned bridge went bankrupt, and the tolls are becoming a serious problem for the company in charge of the Authority's finance?

You apparently cannot comprehend my statement.  Not even slightly.

Bridges increase trade, which increases tax revenue, which pays for the bridge.  The money to pay for maintenance should come out of the EXTRA taxes the local taxing authority takes in, but instead, they pretend that all those taxes are the norm, and then ask for extra money to pay for the thing that's making them more money.  It's not a difficult concept.


I suppose.  But that's not at all how bridges are financed.  The extra revenue brought in by increased trade isn't exactly measured, let along tied to the taxes that could pay for these bridges in the absence of tolls.

If you could tie the two together, that sounds great.  Since I don't think that's been done, state taxes work for bridges used by folks from all over the state.  But when your taxes go up by 2% one year and you find out it was to build a fancy new bridge for some folks who live on an island with a country club, it's not exactly cool.  Tolls at least force the burden on those who use the bridge.  At least this isn't outrageously expensive like Staten Island.
 
2013-08-19 10:10:37 AM  

sendtodave: Muta: I live in Michigan where we have no toll roads so I don't have an EZPass.  What pisses me off about paying tolls is that  I have to dig in my pocket for the money while driving.  It also irks me when paying a toll on an interstate.  I already paid taxes to drive on those roads paying a toll on top of the tax means I am effectively paying twice to ride on the road.

You said that Michigan doesn't have toll roads.

So, uh, you pay taxes for roads in other states?  Admirable.


Not to mention if they are toll roads he kind of didn't pay taxes to support the road.  The toll authority pays for the expenses and upkeep, so the toll authority recoups the expenses with a toll.
 
2013-08-19 10:13:02 AM  

EngineerAU: The people at the front of the street don't think they should pay for the entire length since they only use the short part to their homes


Yeah, yeah, and I should only have to pay for the 4 inches I use, while my neighbor should fork over to my wife fair share for his 10 inches of use.

wait
what?
 
2013-08-19 10:13:07 AM  

Abacus9: propasaurus: "It's a working man's bridge," she said. "You stand out there in the morning during the week, as opposed to Saturday and Sunday, it's full of people going to work."

Yeah! And working men should get free bridges!

Now Tea Party "Patriots" want free stuff from Obama?


Of course they do. They just don't want stuff to go to anyone else, because they are special special people. They even have their own special short bus when they were in school.
 
2013-08-19 10:41:11 AM  

RedPhoenix122: Slaxl: Tolls aren't taxes. They're tolls. A tax is a tax.

A toll is a toll, and a roll is a roll, and if we don't get no tolls then we don't eat no rolls.


soupafi: A toll is a toll, and a roll is a roll, and if we don't take tolls then we get no rolls.
/made that up myself


Huh. How about that.
 
2013-08-19 10:44:02 AM  
Farking whiny shiatheads. I'm sure they'd be happier with a polebarge ferry or maybe even a canoe, canoes are the epitome of bootstrappy river-crossing implements, and you can even make them yourself out of birchbark.
 
2013-08-19 10:46:10 AM  
All these over a farking dime?

Damn this Tea Party exercise in contradiction. Well, you don't want to pay the god damn tolls, but let the rest of country subsidize your stupid bridge?
 
2013-08-19 10:49:09 AM  
"Tolls are taxes, and it's going to have an impact," said Angie Isadore, of Portsmouth
Yes MS. Isadore you are 100% correct, They ARE a tax, taxes you , see being how governments pays thier bills, and things like bridges  cost lots of money to maintain.  Now it used to be the money for this sort of thing came from the federal highway bill or a state one, but you dumbasses bought the arguments of million- and billionaires that the poor dears were being overtaxed and you demanded tax cuts that gave you an extra $300 on average a year, and them and extra $300,000.  As a result we turned the Surplus of 2001 into record deficits before Bush left office (and that wasn't even including war spending)   and the Federal budget which should have been balanced by 2007 instead is running a trillion dollar deficit.   In short, you made your bed by being too ignorant to inform yourselves on the issues and reacted as a knee-jerk lackey to powerful special interests.  Now lie in that bed, shut up and pay your tolls
 
2013-08-19 10:49:59 AM  

SoupGuru: Sometime during the 80s and 90s, the media and powers that be stopped publicly laughing at these people.  And now we've given them a voice and the idiot GOP gave them political power.


1996. fox news. "fair and balanced"

after that, the rest of the media was terrified of being called "liberal," so they had to present everything - no matter how insane - with "balance."

just imagine if they'd been forced to do that in the 1940s:

"alright, and now we're going to hear from josef goebbels of the nazi party. herr goebbels, what's your take on what you folks call "the jewish problem?"
 
2013-08-19 10:50:38 AM  
Argh! You stupid farks LOVE fees at point-of-use! What the hell is wrong with you all?!

sendtodave: These people aren't libertarian, they're Abe Simpson.

Bum:"Got any spare change, man?"

Grampa:"Yes! And you ain't getting it. Everybody wants something for nothing... I'm old, gimme gimme gimme!"


Oh, right.
 
2013-08-19 10:53:41 AM  

doglover: SurfaceTension: doglover: fark toll bridges. Pain in the ass to stop and pay tolls when you're driving.

EZPass FTW

That's also a pain in the ass. Much less, I'll grant you, but still slows things down.

What they should do is just not have toll bridges. Either make the whole road a turnpike or free.

Then again I grew up in Pittsburgh. If every bridge required a dime to cross I'd still be waiting in traffic from 10 years ago to get to the airport.


toll by plate is even better.
 
2013-08-19 10:55:37 AM  
When you choose to live on a farking island, you shouldn't complain about contributing to the cost of the bridge.
 
2013-08-19 11:03:24 AM  

sendtodave: derpy: First: I used to live there. People who live on Aqidneck Island and/or Tiverton can damned well afford to pay for their bridge. Seriously. These people own boats and waterfront property.

Second: This is a user fee, not a tax.  It's the exact sort of regressive money scheme these guys usually support, on par with sales tax and flat income tax.

You'll find that the more people can afford to pay for things, the less they feel that they should.


That's been my experience as well. When the guy making twice my salary complains about the $100 for his kids physical to play sports (which was actually $25 after insurance) I just shake my head.
 
2013-08-19 11:04:11 AM  
Maybe they should build their own bridge out of patriotic t-shirts and boot straps.
 
2013-08-19 11:05:09 AM  
The fail tolls for thee.
 
2013-08-19 11:05:18 AM  

doglover: SurfaceTension: doglover: fark toll bridges. Pain in the ass to stop and pay tolls when you're driving.

EZPass FTW

That's also a pain in the ass. Much less, I'll grant you, but still slows things down.

What they should do is just not have toll bridges. Either make the whole road a turnpike or free.

Then again I grew up in Pittsburgh. If every bridge required a dime to cross I'd still be waiting in traffic from 10 years ago to get to the airport.


The new HOT lanes they put around DC require EZPass and there aren't any toll stations.  You just get on the lanes at 65mph.
 
2013-08-19 11:06:41 AM  
My question is if the arsonist will be charged with terrorism charges. Trying to burn down a bridge because for a political purpose is text-book terrorism. Actual or threatened violence against people or property for the purpose of furthering a political goal or agenda.
 
2013-08-19 11:10:14 AM  

Deneb81: My question is if the arsonist will be charged with terrorism charges. Trying to burn down a bridge because for a political purpose is text-book terrorism. Actual or threatened violence against people or property for the purpose of furthering a political goal or agenda.


That's only if your Muslin-y.  For white people it's called "watering the tree of liberty" or something.  Study it out.
 
2013-08-19 11:18:13 AM  

Deneb81: My question is if the arsonist will be charged with terrorism charges. Trying to burn down a bridge because for a political purpose is text-book terrorism. Actual or threatened violence against people or property for the purpose of furthering a political goal or agenda.


It actually could be charged as a federal crime of terrorism under the revisons to the law made in 2002, as it is a felony which could disrupt mass transit.
 
2013-08-19 11:27:38 AM  

RTOGUY: Maybe they should build their own bridge out of patriotic t-shirts and boot straps.


With blackjack, and hookers.
 
2013-08-19 11:35:54 AM  
Burning down a bridge to protest the inconvenience of paying a toll.  Sounds like typical Teabagger logic.
 
2013-08-19 11:51:52 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: [dillanweems.com image 300x169]


Obama Thruway? Now what'll that asshole think of next? Has anybody got a dime? Somebody's gotta go back and get a shiat-load of dimes!
 
2013-08-19 11:52:36 AM  
Yeah, because once all roads are private roads  so that "only users pay "as Libertarians dream, there won't be any tolls, right?
 
2013-08-19 11:53:57 AM  

BeesNuts: amiable: So, were they supporting an increase in taxes to pay for the bridge?  Holy cognitive dissonance batman!

I think most of them are probably very stupid people who saw an opportunity to biatch about someone takin' their money.  However, the islanders held hostage sign, while hyperbolic as all hell, got me thinking more about it.  There are three bridges that leave Portsmouth, this is the one that goes northeast to the mainland.  It's also the most direct route into Massachusetts from there.

Considering Portsmouth's in Rhode Island, where 1,050,000 people or so live, and because it only has 17,000 people itself, an argument could be made that this toll disproportionately affects those on the Island.  That would depend on how the bridge is actually used and in which direction you pay tolls... etc.  But one could possibly make that claim, I suppose.

Then again, if it were state gas taxes paying for this, and the bridge is used primarily by 17,000 people (who want to drive to the cape from their island), the rest of those 1,033,000 people would have a much stronger case for "unfairness".


The purpose of a toll booth is exactly that.  It disproportionately effects the people most likely to use it.  If there were a ferry across, people would be paying a lot more (say $4 or $10) to cross, the bottleneck would be a lot greater, and it would probably cost less money to build, but people would not be biatching about tolls.

There is a romance and "freedom" to a road that makes people think that that freedom is free.
 
2013-08-19 12:50:17 PM  

vernonFL: TuteTibiImperes: Bridges don't spontaneously manifest out of the ether.  They have to be paid for via taxes or tolls.  Personally, I prefer the tax route as paying tolls creates traffic backups and is a general PITA, but somehow I doubt the teabaggers would support that either.

This.


First they came for our taxes and I didn't speak up. Then they came for our user fees...

/Somalia Rocks
 
2013-08-19 12:57:17 PM  

Name_Omitted: BeesNuts: amiable: So, were they supporting an increase in taxes to pay for the bridge?  Holy cognitive dissonance batman!

I think most of them are probably very stupid people who saw an opportunity to biatch about someone takin' their money.  However, the islanders held hostage sign, while hyperbolic as all hell, got me thinking more about it.  There are three bridges that leave Portsmouth, this is the one that goes northeast to the mainland.  It's also the most direct route into Massachusetts from there.

Considering Portsmouth's in Rhode Island, where 1,050,000 people or so live, and because it only has 17,000 people itself, an argument could be made that this toll disproportionately affects those on the Island.  That would depend on how the bridge is actually used and in which direction you pay tolls... etc.  But one could possibly make that claim, I suppose.

Then again, if it were state gas taxes paying for this, and the bridge is used primarily by 17,000 people (who want to drive to the cape from their island), the rest of those 1,033,000 people would have a much stronger case for "unfairness".

The purpose of a toll booth is exactly that.  It disproportionately effects the people most likely to use it.  If there were a ferry across, people would be paying a lot more (say $4 or $10) to cross, the bottleneck would be a lot greater, and it would probably cost less money to build, but people would not be biatching about tolls.

There is a romance and "freedom" to a road that makes people think that that freedom is free.

imageshack.usDo not repeat back to me what I just said in different farking words!/It's definitely weird that people would be happier with a $4 ferry in principle...
 
2013-08-19 12:58:17 PM  
piece of garbage buttons...  RAW HTML from here on in, yep.
 
2013-08-19 01:05:34 PM  
There's a lot of stupidity in that article.
 
2013-08-19 01:10:32 PM  
A toll on a road/sidewalk/park is a 'per use' or 'usage' tax.
A toll is used when the politicians in charge of the roads forgot to save tax monies to pay for new bridges and other infrastructures.

/Don't tell them teabaggers on how the toll bridges is using their personal information(license plate) to be stored in a database to show how many times they drove the toll route via lots of cameras to catch scofflaws.
//Automated license plate readers.
///They are mounted in police cars too.
 
2013-08-19 01:17:45 PM  
You see, RI is too busy getting gay married to take away 10 cent tolls from bridges.

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2013-08-19 01:24:57 PM  

sheep snorter: A toll on a road/sidewalk/park is a 'per use' or 'usage' tax.
A toll is used when the politicians in charge of the roads forgot to save tax monies to pay for new bridges and other infrastructures.


Wait a minute, every time a guv'ment runs a "surplus" people are screaming that it's OUR money and we need tax cuts (yes, for the rich) to return OUR money to us?  So what is this "saving" of which you speak?
 
2013-08-19 01:49:28 PM  

Name_Omitted: 17,000 people


over 60,000 people live on Aquidneck Island
 
2013-08-19 01:51:26 PM  
Can we finally call them terrorists now?
 
2013-08-19 02:12:46 PM  
I know this is fark, and serious opinions are not welcome, but if you want to allow locals to cross the bridge for free and just charge tourists and out-of towners, just do this:
i42.tinypic.com
 
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