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(Providence Journal)   Tea Party Patriots come out in force after one of their members attempts to burn down a bridge to protest a 10-cent toll. Sign goodness: "No tolls for trolls", "Obama lied, freedom died", "Hooked on phonics didn't work for me"   (providencejournal.com) divider line 166
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2013-08-19 07:56:29 AM  

Muta: I was driving south out of Charleston, WV a couple weeks back and I had to stop for 2 tolls booths.  I think I had to pay an extra $4.00 to drive that stretch of the interstate.  It wasn't anything special about that stretch of road which required any additional maintenance.  It seemed like nothing more than a money grab.


Maybe routine maintenance is funded via tolls. Can't raise taxes, we done been taxed enuff alreadies.
 
2013-08-19 07:56:56 AM  

doglover: SurfaceTension: doglover: fark toll bridges. Pain in the ass to stop and pay tolls when you're driving.

EZPass FTW

That's also a pain in the ass. Much less, I'll grant you, but still slows things down.

What they should do is just not have toll bridges. Either make the whole road a turnpike or free.

Then again I grew up in Pittsburgh. If every bridge required a dime to cross I'd still be waiting in traffic from 10 years ago to get to the airport.


As much as it pains me to admit NJ did something right, the NJ Turnpike has "at speed" EZpass lanes- no slowwing down or stopping for them.
 
2013-08-19 07:57:39 AM  

Smidge204: I say we knock the bridge down in the middle of a Sunday night and never speak of these people again.


And when they whine about building the bridge, charge the people living on the island a $10,000 assess to rebuild their bridge and a $.20 toll to maintain it.
 
2013-08-19 07:59:08 AM  

amiable: So, were they supporting an increase in taxes to pay for the bridge?  Holy cognitive dissonance batman!


I think most of them are probably very stupid people who saw an opportunity to biatch about someone takin' their money.  However, the islanders held hostage sign, while hyperbolic as all hell, got me thinking more about it.  There are three bridges that leave Portsmouth, this is the one that goes northeast to the mainland.  It's also the most direct route into Massachusetts from there.

Considering Portsmouth's in Rhode Island, where 1,050,000 people or so live, and because it only has 17,000 people itself, an argument could be made that this toll disproportionately affects those on the Island.  That would depend on how the bridge is actually used and in which direction you pay tolls... etc.  But one could possibly make that claim, I suppose.

Then again, if it were state gas taxes paying for this, and the bridge is used primarily by 17,000 people (who want to drive to the cape from their island), the rest of those 1,033,000 people would have a much stronger case for "unfairness".
 
2013-08-19 07:59:25 AM  

Muta: I thought they were moving to Brooklyn.

[www.providencejournal.com image 620x413]


Anyone else have the urge to drive out there...just to give these morons the finger?
 
2013-08-19 08:00:11 AM  
A toll is a toll, and a roll is a roll, and if we don't take tolls then we get no rolls.
/made that up myself
 
2013-08-19 08:01:11 AM  

doglover: SurfaceTension: doglover: fark toll bridges. Pain in the ass to stop and pay tolls when you're driving.

EZPass FTW

That's also a pain in the ass. Much less, I'll grant you, but still slows things down.

What they should do is just not have toll bridges. Either make the whole road a turnpike or free.

Then again I grew up in Pittsburgh. If every bridge required a dime to cross I'd still be waiting in traffic from 10 years ago to get to the airport.


As someone who's had to drive from the airport to Greensburg, it already takes 10 years to get put of Pittsburgh.
 
2013-08-19 08:01:12 AM  

Smidge204: I say we knock the bridge down in the middle of a Sunday night and never speak of these people again.

God help them if one of them finds a conch shell.
=Smidge=


Coastal artillery.  It's the only way to be sure.
 
2013-08-19 08:03:45 AM  
www.paulmudie.com

What the local islanders may look like.
 
2013-08-19 08:04:01 AM  
Aw, who the hell cares?
It's Rhode Island.
 
2013-08-19 08:04:27 AM  
No tolls? No Problem! Who needs to pay for things like repairs and infrastructure upkeep.

i39.tinypic.com

WHY WON'T OBAMA GIVE US FEDERAL FUNDS TO FIX THIS!!!!
 
2013-08-19 08:05:59 AM  
Someone wore an anti-Obama shirt.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!
 
2013-08-19 08:06:04 AM  
FTA:  Even 10 cents is too much for Patty Kelly, of Tiverton, who painted the word "tolls" with an X through it in pink on a white T-shirt for the event. In tough economic times, she said, government should look for things to cut, not new ways to get money from residents.

Maybe the government should get rid of that bridge as a cost saving measure.

This nation is drowning in its own stupidity.
 
2013-08-19 08:08:24 AM  

Smoking GNU: a 10 cent toll?  Really?

South Africa now has major E-Toll roads on 60% of the highways around pretoria/joburg that cost about $5 per 10 KM (last i heard). THAT is something to protest over, for farks sakes!


They start with the lowball number so that anybody who biatches about it will look ridiculous.

Then the toll goes up, and then about a decade from now when the paper's running a story about how a bunch of Bridge Authority patronage hires were busted in a corruption scandal, you'll see the line

"The tolls, now $2.50, were instituted in 2013 at a rate of ten cents per crossing, as a temporary measure..."

It's either that or...if you're a politician with enough lead time on a bridge project...you roll out an artificially high toll figure for a bridge that's in the planning stages, and then as its opening approaches you can scale back the toll number a bit and look like the hero even if the tolls more than double. Watch how the weasels in New York are handling the Tappan Zee Bridge toll issue for a shining example of the bullshiatters' craft in action...did somebody say the toll was going from $5 to $15? We meant $13. Praise be!
 
2013-08-19 08:08:44 AM  

Muta: I hate stopping for tolls.  They should just increase taxes to cover the cost of maintaining the bridge.


The Libertarian mantra is that there should be usage fees to cover services that you use, so paying for water, air (read Heinlein), police, fire....and roads and bridges.
 
2013-08-19 08:11:07 AM  
The best way to fund the maintenance of the bridge is a tax cut for the top1% of earners in Rhode Island.

I can't believe I'm the only one who sees this reality.
 
2013-08-19 08:12:08 AM  

Gulper Eel: Smoking GNU: a 10 cent toll?  Really?

South Africa now has major E-Toll roads on 60% of the highways around pretoria/joburg that cost about $5 per 10 KM (last i heard). THAT is something to protest over, for farks sakes!

They start with the lowball number so that anybody who biatches about it will look ridiculous.


Or maybe they just assessed that 10 cents per car would cover their needs.

Then the toll goes up,

Prices go up on everything.
 
2013-08-19 08:14:11 AM  
I've been hearing about this shiat all summer, never once did anyone complaining about the toll deign to mention that it is only TEN farkING CENTS.
 
2013-08-19 08:20:21 AM  

Wyalt Derp: Even 10 cents is too much for Patty Kelly, of Tiverton, who painted the word "tolls" with an X through it in pink on a white T-shirt for the event. In tough economic times, she said, government should look for things to cut

Such as bridge-building, bridge-maintenance etc.


No, they should cut anything that generates revenue.

But Obama wants to keep the toll to keep old white people who think 10 cents is a lot of money down.  Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-08-19 08:22:51 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Prices go up on everything.


The key is to see by how much they go up. If this ten-cent toll is a quarter ten years from now, okay. If it's $2.50, you can bet somebody in Providence is getting their pockets lined.
 
2013-08-19 08:23:49 AM  
farking bootstrappy Gadsden-wavers should go buy some boats so they don't have to rely on socialist or fee-based infrastructure.

Ferchrissake...
 
2013-08-19 08:24:06 AM  

Jackson Herring: I've been hearing about this shiat all summer, never once did anyone complaining about the toll deign to mention that it is only TEN farkING CENTS.


Oh sure, it's 10 cents now. But, knowing Obama, it'll soon go up to 20 cents. Then 30 cents. Then, soon, perhaps even a little into Czar Obama - Czar-bama? - well into his illegal third term, in order to pass it you'll have to present a gay marriage license or proof of abortion. It's Kenyan liberal economics 101. There's no time to pick your battles in this culture war. You have to fight every perceived inconvenience, whether real or imagined, and defend it as though it was the worst thing ever. Because knowing that blah man in the white house, it probably will be.
 
2013-08-19 08:27:25 AM  
So, someone who takes the bridge to and from work 5 days a week would have to come up with a dollar to cover the cost.

How poor are these people that they can't figure out how to scrape together a dollar a week?

Or are they afraid that they'll get double charged for their vehicle and the mobility scooter it's hauling?
 
2013-08-19 08:28:48 AM  

doglover: SurfaceTension: doglover: fark toll bridges. Pain in the ass to stop and pay tolls when you're driving.

EZPass FTW

That's also a pain in the ass. Much less, I'll grant you, but still slows things down.

What they should do is just not have toll bridges. Either make the whole road a turnpike or free.

Then again I grew up in Pittsburgh. If every bridge required a dime to cross I'd still be waiting in traffic from 10 years ago to get to the airport.


my 65mph EZPass lanes say notsureifserious.jpg ?
 
2013-08-19 08:29:19 AM  

stoli n coke: So, someone who takes the bridge to and from work 5 days a week would have to come up with a dollar to cover the cost.

How poor are these people that they can't figure out how to scrape together a dollar a week?

Or are they afraid that they'll get double charged for their vehicle and the mobility scooter it's hauling?


It's the principle of it.  In their libertarian paradise, everything would be free.
 
2013-08-19 08:34:15 AM  
problama de los blancos
 
2013-08-19 08:36:34 AM  

sendtodave: stoli n coke: So, someone who takes the bridge to and from work 5 days a week would have to come up with a dollar to cover the cost.

How poor are these people that they can't figure out how to scrape together a dollar a week?

Or are they afraid that they'll get double charged for their vehicle and the mobility scooter it's hauling?

It's the principle of it.  In their libertarian paradise, everything would be free.



Wait, the hoveround hellfighters I know have gone on and on the past few years about how people should only have to pay for things they themselves use, like police and fire services, public schools, etc.

The only alternative to a toll would be a tax, which would mean people who don't even take the toll road would be charged for a piece of the upkeep.

Oh, this is the "IT'S NOT REALLY LIBERTARIAN IF I HAVE TO PAY FOR SOME OF IT!" school of thought.
 
2013-08-19 08:37:06 AM  
One of my co-workers is an anti-government type. He bought a house on cul-de-sac at the end of a private road out of principle. Now the road is falling apart but him and the other people along the road can't agree on financing the repairs. The people at the front of the street don't think they should pay for the entire length since they only use the short part to their homes and even for that short part they think others should pay more since most of the traffic is from those living further along the road. His neighbor down at the end of the road doesn't think it needs to be repaired at all because he drives a 4x4 and doesn't mind the ruts and potholes. They forgot their principles briefly and asked the county to repair it. The county agreed to take over control of the road but only if the property owners would grant the county a narrow right of way along the road for use by construction vehicles. Nope... no one was going to allow the gubermint to seize their land!  Never mind they all have acre lots and the right of way would have been around ten feet on each side.

So the road continues to decay and my co-worker's car gets a good workout dodging potholes and plenty of nicks from all the pieces of the road decaying into gravel that gets tossed about by every vehicle... especially the 4x4. It's a thing of beauty and I laugh every time he gets upset that the county won't pave it for them because they're too stubborn to grant a small right-of-way.
 
2013-08-19 08:37:10 AM  
shiat when I was a kid the Mount Hope Bridge had a toll that was at least a dollar.
 
2013-08-19 08:39:20 AM  

propasaurus: I don't recall Obama promising there would be no tolls on this bridge.


He promised a lot of things while he was being interrogated in that chair by Clint Eastwood.  No bridge tolls, self-exile by 2014, and an Apollo-level national project to improve the quality of hen fap.
 
2013-08-19 08:39:47 AM  

soia: problama de los blancos


Si. Look at all the chingas I don't give.
 
2013-08-19 08:40:21 AM  
Bridges increase the revenue generated from taxes.  People need to stop pretending they're an expense, when in reality they're an asset.
 
2013-08-19 08:40:43 AM  

Lochsteppe: propasaurus: I don't recall Obama promising there would be no tolls on this bridge.

He promised a lot of things while he was being interrogated in that chair by Clint Eastwood.  No bridge tolls, self-exile by 2014, and an Apollo-level national project to improve the quality of hen fap.


And what about them damn picnic apes?
 
2013-08-19 08:41:15 AM  
This toll is outrageous.  All that really needs to be done is to grant a tax cut for those that actually produce anything.  This will lead to more jobs, that will lead to more tax revenue, regardless if we just cut them.  We also need to cut more welfare payments and step up efforts to make sure the fewer people that are getting welfare are not cheating the system or sitting around smoking dope.  I'm not totally sure how this will pay for bridge maintenance, but I've been told these are the solutions to all the fiscal problems in the US.
 
2013-08-19 08:42:40 AM  
The answer is to privatize the bridge so the government isn't involved.  That would end any tolls right there.
 
2013-08-19 08:45:23 AM  

Muta: I hate stopping for tolls.  They should just increase taxes to cover the cost of maintaining the bridge.


Muta: I hate stopping for tolls.  They should just increase taxes to cover the cost of maintaining the bridge.

 
2013-08-19 08:46:51 AM  
There's really no hope for this country, is there?

Sometime during the 80s and 90s, the media and powers that be stopped publicly laughing at these people.  And now we've given them a voice and the idiot GOP gave them political power.

USA! USA! USA!
 
2013-08-19 08:47:23 AM  

stoli n coke: Wait, the hoveround hellfighters I know have gone on and on the past few years about how people should only have to pay for things they themselves use, like police and fire services, public schools, etc.

The only alternative to a toll would be a tax, which would mean people who don't even take the toll road would be charged for a piece of the upkeep.

Oh, this is the "IT'S NOT REALLY LIBERTARIAN IF I HAVE TO PAY FOR SOME OF IT!" school of thought.


How many pay for their hoverrounds out of pocket?

These people aren't libertarian, they're Abe Simpson.

Bum:"Got any spare change, man?"

Grampa:"Yes! And you ain't getting it. Everybody wants something for nothing... I'm old, gimme gimme gimme!"
 
2013-08-19 08:47:29 AM  
Okay, this is all actually hilarious the more I look into it.  Where to start!

The bridge to the south of the one in question is the Mount Hope Bridge.  It was constructed and maintained by the private Mount Hope Bridge Company.  However, "On October 24, 1929, about five months behind schedule, the $5,000,000 bridge was opened to traffic. It was owned by the Mount Hope Bridge Company as a privatetoll bridge, with the initial toll costing 60 cents one way, and $1 for a round-trip. By 1931, the Bridge company went bankrupt, and Rudolf F. Haffenreffer, a prominent local brewer, acquired the bridge in receivership. [...] In 1954, with the company in receivership, the Mount Hope Bridge was purchased by the State of Rhode Island. The bridge's toll was eventually reduced from 60 cents to 30 cents for a one-way trip. It was finally discontinued in 1998, after calculations indicated that the toll was not high enough to cover the cost of collecting it." -source wiki

So in 1954, the state owned it and there were no tolls.  To accomplish this, the Rhode Island Turnpike and Bridge Authority was founded.  Fast forward and switch gears a bit.  In 1966, another bridge was constructed by the private Parsons Brinckerhoff construction firm.  Noteworthy because they also designed and built the Garden State Parkway in NJ.  Hurray for them, amirite?  Anyway, this construction was undertaken by the state, and they appear to have levied tolls, but I can't confirm that.  Only current tolls are available.  But it was also operated by the state through RITBA.

Around this time, 1966, RITBA began construction of the Claiborne Pell Bridge.  Another toll bridge going from island to island.  It was opened in 1969.  Tolls are 4 bucks each way.  Fast forward again!  It's 2009 and the old ass Sakkonet River Truss Bridge is falling the hell apart.  A new suspension bridge is commissioned.  Now it's 2012, the bridge is ready to open, but it was expensive.  The state was low on cash and apparently RITBA was partially privatized by allowing private investment firm VION to bail them out and and become partial owners.  Immediately thereafter, they voted internally to increase tolls on the Claiborne Pell Bridge, with subsequently scheduled hikes every three years afterwards.  They were forced to hold public hearings though, and they were pressured into coming up with a different solution to a nearly 220 million dollar budget shortfall.  They chose to levy this 10 cent toll on the new Sakonnet River Bridge.


TLDR Version:
So to break this down, a private company was contractually required to close a budget shortfall related to the construction of the brand spanking new bridge, and wanted to raise tolls on a completely unrelated bridge to do that.  When public backlash grew too fierce, they changed their mind and levied a TEN CENT toll on the bridge they ACTUALLY NEEDED TO PAY FOR.  And this is tyrannical or something.

Fark these idiots.  They clearly haven't done any of the above research.  They think it's a state decision.  They think this happened in a vacuum.  And they think they're entitled to a fancy new bridge that carries about twice as many people, at the expense of folks crossing a bridge halfway across the state.
 
2013-08-19 08:47:38 AM  

EngineerAU: One of my co-workers is an anti-government type. He bought a house on cul-de-sac at the end of a private road out of principle. Now the road is falling apart but him and the other people along the road can't agree on financing the repairs. The people at the front of the street don't think they should pay for the entire length since they only use the short part to their homes and even for that short part they think others should pay more since most of the traffic is from those living further along the road. His neighbor down at the end of the road doesn't think it needs to be repaired at all because he drives a 4x4 and doesn't mind the ruts and potholes. They forgot their principles briefly and asked the county to repair it. The county agreed to take over control of the road but only if the property owners would grant the county a narrow right of way along the road for use by construction vehicles. Nope... no one was going to allow the gubermint to seize their land!  Never mind they all have acre lots and the right of way would have been around ten feet on each side.

So the road continues to decay and my co-worker's car gets a good workout dodging potholes and plenty of nicks from all the pieces of the road decaying into gravel that gets tossed about by every vehicle... especially the 4x4. It's a thing of beauty and I laugh every time he gets upset that the county won't pave it for them because they're too stubborn to grant a small right-of-way.


Your CSB is a near-perfect allegory for the Tea Party movement. I farking love it.
 
2013-08-19 08:48:25 AM  

Notabunny: Muta: I hate stopping for tolls.  They should just increase taxes to cover the cost of maintaining the bridge.

Muta: I hate stopping for tolls.  They should just increase taxes to cover the cost of maintaining the bridge.


You said "taxes" twice.
 
2013-08-19 08:49:51 AM  

stoli n coke: So, someone who takes the bridge to and from work 5 days a week would have to come up with a dollar to cover the cost.

How poor are these people that they can't figure out how to scrape together a dollar a week?

Or are they afraid that they'll get double charged for their vehicle and the mobility scooter it's hauling?


In 2000, the median income for a household in the town was $58,835, and the median income for a family was $68,577. Males had a median income of $46,297 versus $31,745 for females. The per capita income for the town was $28,161. About 2.0% of families and 3.4% of the population were below the poverty line, including 2.8% of those under age 18 and 6.4% of those age 65 or over. - source wiki
 
2013-08-19 08:50:16 AM  

RealityChuck: The answer is to privatize the bridge so the government isn't involved.  That would end any tolls right there.


You joke, but this is less than ten miles from the bridge in the article:


On October 24, 1929, about five months behind schedule, the $5,000,000 bridge was opened to traffic. It was owned by the Mount Hope Bridge Company as a private toll bridge, with the initial toll costing 60 cents one way, and $1 for a round-trip. By 1931, the Bridge company went bankrupt, and Rudolf F. Haffenreffer, a prominent local brewer, acquired the bridge in receivership.
 
2013-08-19 08:50:31 AM  
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2013-08-19 08:51:03 AM  

Jackson Herring: shiat when I was a kid the Mount Hope Bridge had a toll that was at least a dollar.


It was a dollar per axle at it's maximum.  Then the state bought it and lowered it to 30 cents.  Then they decided it cost too much to collect 30 cents, so they just quit.
 
2013-08-19 08:51:46 AM  

sendtodave: stoli n coke: Wait, the hoveround hellfighters I know have gone on and on the past few years about how people should only have to pay for things they themselves use, like police and fire services, public schools, etc.

The only alternative to a toll would be a tax, which would mean people who don't even take the toll road would be charged for a piece of the upkeep.

Oh, this is the "IT'S NOT REALLY LIBERTARIAN IF I HAVE TO PAY FOR SOME OF IT!" school of thought.

How many pay for their hoverrounds out of pocket?

These people aren't libertarian, they're Abe Simpson.

Bum:"Got any spare change, man?"

Grampa:"Yes! And you ain't getting it. Everybody wants something for nothing... I'm old, gimme gimme gimme!"



I understand that. They don't seem to mind other people paying taxes to cover their disability checks (Apparently, a back injury 14 years ago keeps someone from working in an insurance office, even though they spend their free time sitting at a desk surfing the net) or the WIC checks for their idiot daughters that couldn't get through high school without cranking out 2 kids.

I know you can't win with those people. The only moral welfare is their welfare.
 
2013-08-19 08:52:04 AM  

BeesNuts: Okay, this is all actually hilarious the more I look into it.  Where to start!


Oh god damn it.
 
2013-08-19 08:53:01 AM  

BeesNuts: Jackson Herring: shiat when I was a kid the Mount Hope Bridge had a toll that was at least a dollar.

It was a dollar per axle at it's maximum.  Then the state bought it and lowered it to 30 cents.  Then they decided it cost too much to collect 30 cents, so they just quit.


That sounds about right. My mom used to drive over that bridge four times a day five days a week every summer when I was growing up, I remember the summer when they finally closed the toll booths.
 
2013-08-19 08:53:48 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Bridges increase the revenue generated from taxes.  People need to stop pretending they're an expense, when in reality they're an asset.


Then you can explain why the privately owned bridge went bankrupt, and the tolls are becoming a serious problem for the company in charge of the Authority's finance?
 
2013-08-19 08:55:47 AM  
The real question you guys are missing, is the bridge is steel, and how were they expecting to burn down a steel bridge...?
 
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