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(Providence Journal)   Tea Party Patriots come out in force after one of their members attempts to burn down a bridge to protest a 10-cent toll. Sign goodness: "No tolls for trolls", "Obama lied, freedom died", "Hooked on phonics didn't work for me"   (providencejournal.com) divider line 166
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2013-08-19 02:29:16 AM
images.sodahead.com
 
2013-08-19 02:37:09 AM
Bridges don't spontaneously manifest out of the ether.  They have to be paid for via taxes or tolls.  Personally, I prefer the tax route as paying tolls creates traffic backups and is a general PITA, but somehow I doubt the teabaggers would support that either.
 
2013-08-19 02:58:14 AM
dillanweems.com
 
2013-08-19 03:03:59 AM
I don't recall Obama promising there would be no tolls on this bridge.
 
2013-08-19 03:11:00 AM
Tolls aren't taxes. They're tolls. A tax is a tax.

Just clearing that up for article guy.
 
2013-08-19 03:26:55 AM
"It's a working man's bridge," she said. "You stand out there in the morning during the week, as opposed to Saturday and Sunday, it's full of people going to work."

Yeah! And working men should get free bridges!
 
2013-08-19 04:56:12 AM

propasaurus: "It's a working man's bridge," she said. "You stand out there in the morning during the week, as opposed to Saturday and Sunday, it's full of people going to work."

Yeah! And working men should get free bridges!


Now Tea Party "Patriots" want free stuff from Obama?
 
2013-08-19 05:53:11 AM
fark toll bridges. Pain in the ass to stop and pay tolls when you're driving.
 
2013-08-19 06:23:17 AM

doglover: fark toll bridges. Pain in the ass to stop and pay tolls when you're driving.


EZPass FTW
 
2013-08-19 06:32:30 AM

Slaxl: Tolls aren't taxes. They're tolls. A tax is a tax.


A toll is a toll, and a roll is a roll, and if we don't get no tolls then we don't eat no rolls.
 
2013-08-19 06:33:06 AM

SurfaceTension: doglover: fark toll bridges. Pain in the ass to stop and pay tolls when you're driving.

EZPass FTW


That's also a pain in the ass. Much less, I'll grant you, but still slows things down.

What they should do is just not have toll bridges. Either make the whole road a turnpike or free.

Then again I grew up in Pittsburgh. If every bridge required a dime to cross I'd still be waiting in traffic from 10 years ago to get to the airport.
 
2013-08-19 06:52:47 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Bridges don't spontaneously manifest out of the ether.  They have to be paid for via taxes or tolls.  Personally, I prefer the tax route as paying tolls creates traffic backups and is a general PITA, but somehow I doubt the teabaggers would support that either.


This.
 
2013-08-19 07:00:38 AM
Angie Isadore, of Portsmouth, as she sat in a folding chair alongside the highway, wearing a shirt that said "Obama lied, Freedom died"

Did Obama make a campaign promise not to allow tolls on some bridge in Bumfark, Nowhere?

Even 10 cents is too much for Patty Kelly, of Tiverton, who painted the word "tolls" with an X through it in pink on a white T-shirt for the event. In tough economic times, she said, government should look for things to cut, not new ways to get money from residents.
"I don't get a raise from my boss when I can't pay my bills," she said.


First - not asking for and getting raises could be part reason you can't pay your bills.
Secondly - instead of a toll, howsabout we start the 'things to cut' list off with bridges over the Sakonnet River?
 
2013-08-19 07:08:16 AM
This isn't the burning of the Gaspee... and these aren't patriots.
 
2013-08-19 07:12:17 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Bridges don't spontaneously manifest out of the ether.  They have to be paid for via taxes or tolls.  Personally, I prefer the tax route as paying tolls creates traffic backups and is a general PITA, but somehow I doubt the teabaggers would support that either.


And we're done here.

No, wait...

Bathia_Mapes: [blazingsaddles10centtoll]


K, now we're done.
 
2013-08-19 07:12:19 AM
You gotta pay the troll toll to get inside this boy's soul
 
2013-08-19 07:13:56 AM
A lot cheaper than having to buy a boat to get across.
 
2013-08-19 07:14:53 AM
The stupid...... it burns like a bridge set on fire.
 
2013-08-19 07:15:10 AM
Every bridge should have a toll. Free bridges are socialism.
 
2013-08-19 07:18:01 AM

Argh Not Again: Every bridge should have a toll. Free bridges are socialism.


No, tolls are socialism.  What you're looking for is a 'service charge'.  That's the corporate American way!
 
2013-08-19 07:20:57 AM
Wait, aren't these the same people accusing liberals of wanting "free stuff?"  Their lack of self awareness is staggering.

That said, if these people live on an island that connects by a bridge to the mainland, perhaps closing the bridge and eliminating the cost altogether is the way to go.
 
2013-08-19 07:22:25 AM
I guess Tea Party Patriots are all about paying for things with usage fees when it they're not the ones using it.
 
2013-08-19 07:22:38 AM
I thought they were moving to Brooklyn.

www.providencejournal.com
 
2013-08-19 07:24:16 AM

OneTimed: You gotta pay the troll toll to get inside this boy's soul hole


FTFY
 
2013-08-19 07:24:52 AM
I hate stopping for tolls.  They should just increase taxes to cover the cost of maintaining the bridge.
 
2013-08-19 07:27:24 AM
i wonder if there is another way to pay for road maintenance and construction.  If only such a thing could be found.
 
2013-08-19 07:27:53 AM
So, were they supporting an increase in taxes to pay for the bridge?  Holy cognitive dissonance batman!
 
2013-08-19 07:27:57 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: I guess Tea Party Patriots are all about paying for things with usage fees when it they're not the ones using it.


They simply lack the intellect to think things through and form a coherent political philosophy.
 
2013-08-19 07:28:37 AM
The Tea Party ideology boiled down:  "We don't want to pay for things!"
 
2013-08-19 07:29:52 AM
Y'all are posting in a toll thread!

*ducks*
 
2013-08-19 07:32:26 AM

GoldSpider: The Tea Party ideology boiled down:  "We don't want to pay for things!"


That's tyranny!   If God had wanted us to pay for roads and bridges he wouldn't have put them there.
 
2013-08-19 07:33:35 AM

Muta: I hate stopping for tolls.  They should just increase taxes to cover the cost of maintaining the bridge.


This. I'm pretty sure the Tea Party wasn't the only group against the tolls. Bridges are ALREADY choke points. Adding a toll booth or three doesn't help anyone.
 
2013-08-19 07:35:44 AM
A 10c toll?  That's what they are upset about?  It costs me about $75 round-trip in tolls to go to the Outer Banks from NYC.  It costs about $60 round-trip to go round-trip to Washington, DC.

Tolls are increasing because teabagger types refuse to accept any tax increases to maintain roads or other travel infrastructure.  Therefore, tolls have to be increased.  Chris Christie of NJ only maintained his pledge to not raise taxes because he allowed a doubling of highway tolls, while cancelling the project the increases were earmarked for.
 
2013-08-19 07:36:51 AM
They don't want tolls or taxes or free bridges.

They want government out of everything and the Koch Bros to make the bridge. Then it should be free like the Internet.
 
2013-08-19 07:37:26 AM

doglover: Muta: I hate stopping for tolls.  They should just increase taxes to cover the cost of maintaining the bridge.

This. I'm pretty sure the Tea Party wasn't the only group against the tolls. Bridges are ALREADY choke points. Adding a toll booth or three doesn't help anyone.


Perhaps, but they are against taxes which would have been a much simpler and far less annoying way to have covered the costs.
 
2013-08-19 07:37:36 AM

doglover: Muta: I hate stopping for tolls.  They should just increase taxes to cover the cost of maintaining the bridge.

This. I'm pretty sure the Tea Party wasn't the only group against the tolls. Bridges are ALREADY choke points. Adding a toll booth or three doesn't help anyone.


Not necessarily.  Many new toll roads are all electronic.  No toll booths.  That being said, electronic tolls mask increases.  People don't get as upset if they don't have to pull the money out of their wallet each time.
 
2013-08-19 07:38:48 AM
Even 10 cents is too much for Patty Kelly, of Tiverton, who painted the word "tolls" with an X through it in pink on a white T-shirt for the event. In tough economic times, she said, government should look for things to cut

Such as bridge-building, bridge-maintenance etc.
 
2013-08-19 07:40:02 AM
So they are protesting a 10 cent toll...how much did those shirts and signs cost? Or is this one of those principal things, where you spend $500,000 in legal fees to not pay someone $50.
 
2013-08-19 07:41:18 AM

cram_hole: So they are protesting a 10 cent toll...how much did those shirts and signs cost? Or is this one of those principal things, where you spend $500,000 in legal fees to not pay someone $50.


No one every said teabaggers were smart.
 
2013-08-19 07:43:06 AM
Many wore yellow "Don't Tread on Me" T-shirts

You won't be treading on that bridge for much longer either if you don't pay for it, assholes.
 
2013-08-19 07:44:55 AM
This is not how I wanted my week to start.

If free enterprise built and maintained all the bridge(s), would they be free?
 
2013-08-19 07:45:36 AM
They should privatize the bridges and solve everything.
 
2013-08-19 07:46:56 AM
They were seriously flying Gadsden flags.

W...T...F
 
2013-08-19 07:48:50 AM
a 10 cent toll?  Really?

South Africa now has major E-Toll roads on 60% of the highways around pretoria/joburg that cost about $5 per 10 KM (last i heard). THAT is something to protest over, for farks sakes!
 
2013-08-19 07:50:26 AM
FTFA
Her mother, Patricia Fontaine, from the other side of the bridge in Portsmouth, had another concern: as a retiree, she faces an economic hardship because of the toll, since she often drives over the bridge to Fall River to shop and see her doctor.

I bet she doesn't stand in front of the gas station and whine every time the price of gas goes up.
 
2013-08-19 07:52:38 AM
I was driving south out of Charleston, WV a couple weeks back and I had to stop for 2 tolls booths.  I think I had to pay an extra $4.00 to drive that stretch of the interstate.  It wasn't anything special about that stretch of road which required any additional maintenance.  It seemed like nothing more than a money grab.
 
2013-08-19 07:52:42 AM

RedPhoenix122: Slaxl: Tolls aren't taxes. They're tolls. A tax is a tax.

A toll is a toll, and a roll is a roll, and if we don't get no tolls then we don't eat no rolls.


Do a barrel toll!
 
2013-08-19 07:53:22 AM
If you cross it twice a day for work, that's $1/week.  Go to Starbucks one less time a month, fatties.
 
2013-08-19 07:54:07 AM
FTFA: John Vitkevich, a spokesman for the anti-toll group, said he knew nothing about the arson and hoped that no one who was working in the effort to overturn the toll had anything to do with it. He said political action, not vandalism, would be the way to roll the tolls back. He suggested that the police investigate whether the arson was done by toll supporters as a way of embarrassing toll opponents.

Oh, wow.  He immediately jumped right to the 'false flag' conspiracy derp when asked about the arson.
 
2013-08-19 07:55:21 AM
I say we knock the bridge down in the middle of a Sunday night and never speak of these people again.

God help them if one of them finds a conch shell.
=Smidge=
 
2013-08-19 07:56:29 AM

Muta: I was driving south out of Charleston, WV a couple weeks back and I had to stop for 2 tolls booths.  I think I had to pay an extra $4.00 to drive that stretch of the interstate.  It wasn't anything special about that stretch of road which required any additional maintenance.  It seemed like nothing more than a money grab.


Maybe routine maintenance is funded via tolls. Can't raise taxes, we done been taxed enuff alreadies.
 
2013-08-19 07:56:56 AM

doglover: SurfaceTension: doglover: fark toll bridges. Pain in the ass to stop and pay tolls when you're driving.

EZPass FTW

That's also a pain in the ass. Much less, I'll grant you, but still slows things down.

What they should do is just not have toll bridges. Either make the whole road a turnpike or free.

Then again I grew up in Pittsburgh. If every bridge required a dime to cross I'd still be waiting in traffic from 10 years ago to get to the airport.


As much as it pains me to admit NJ did something right, the NJ Turnpike has "at speed" EZpass lanes- no slowwing down or stopping for them.
 
2013-08-19 07:57:39 AM

Smidge204: I say we knock the bridge down in the middle of a Sunday night and never speak of these people again.


And when they whine about building the bridge, charge the people living on the island a $10,000 assess to rebuild their bridge and a $.20 toll to maintain it.
 
2013-08-19 07:59:08 AM

amiable: So, were they supporting an increase in taxes to pay for the bridge?  Holy cognitive dissonance batman!


I think most of them are probably very stupid people who saw an opportunity to biatch about someone takin' their money.  However, the islanders held hostage sign, while hyperbolic as all hell, got me thinking more about it.  There are three bridges that leave Portsmouth, this is the one that goes northeast to the mainland.  It's also the most direct route into Massachusetts from there.

Considering Portsmouth's in Rhode Island, where 1,050,000 people or so live, and because it only has 17,000 people itself, an argument could be made that this toll disproportionately affects those on the Island.  That would depend on how the bridge is actually used and in which direction you pay tolls... etc.  But one could possibly make that claim, I suppose.

Then again, if it were state gas taxes paying for this, and the bridge is used primarily by 17,000 people (who want to drive to the cape from their island), the rest of those 1,033,000 people would have a much stronger case for "unfairness".
 
2013-08-19 07:59:25 AM

Muta: I thought they were moving to Brooklyn.

[www.providencejournal.com image 620x413]


Anyone else have the urge to drive out there...just to give these morons the finger?
 
2013-08-19 08:00:11 AM
A toll is a toll, and a roll is a roll, and if we don't take tolls then we get no rolls.
/made that up myself
 
2013-08-19 08:01:11 AM

doglover: SurfaceTension: doglover: fark toll bridges. Pain in the ass to stop and pay tolls when you're driving.

EZPass FTW

That's also a pain in the ass. Much less, I'll grant you, but still slows things down.

What they should do is just not have toll bridges. Either make the whole road a turnpike or free.

Then again I grew up in Pittsburgh. If every bridge required a dime to cross I'd still be waiting in traffic from 10 years ago to get to the airport.


As someone who's had to drive from the airport to Greensburg, it already takes 10 years to get put of Pittsburgh.
 
2013-08-19 08:01:12 AM

Smidge204: I say we knock the bridge down in the middle of a Sunday night and never speak of these people again.

God help them if one of them finds a conch shell.
=Smidge=


Coastal artillery.  It's the only way to be sure.
 
2013-08-19 08:03:45 AM
www.paulmudie.com

What the local islanders may look like.
 
2013-08-19 08:04:01 AM
Aw, who the hell cares?
It's Rhode Island.
 
2013-08-19 08:04:27 AM
No tolls? No Problem! Who needs to pay for things like repairs and infrastructure upkeep.

i39.tinypic.com

WHY WON'T OBAMA GIVE US FEDERAL FUNDS TO FIX THIS!!!!
 
2013-08-19 08:05:59 AM
Someone wore an anti-Obama shirt.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!
 
2013-08-19 08:06:04 AM
FTA:  Even 10 cents is too much for Patty Kelly, of Tiverton, who painted the word "tolls" with an X through it in pink on a white T-shirt for the event. In tough economic times, she said, government should look for things to cut, not new ways to get money from residents.

Maybe the government should get rid of that bridge as a cost saving measure.

This nation is drowning in its own stupidity.
 
2013-08-19 08:08:24 AM

Smoking GNU: a 10 cent toll?  Really?

South Africa now has major E-Toll roads on 60% of the highways around pretoria/joburg that cost about $5 per 10 KM (last i heard). THAT is something to protest over, for farks sakes!


They start with the lowball number so that anybody who biatches about it will look ridiculous.

Then the toll goes up, and then about a decade from now when the paper's running a story about how a bunch of Bridge Authority patronage hires were busted in a corruption scandal, you'll see the line

"The tolls, now $2.50, were instituted in 2013 at a rate of ten cents per crossing, as a temporary measure..."

It's either that or...if you're a politician with enough lead time on a bridge project...you roll out an artificially high toll figure for a bridge that's in the planning stages, and then as its opening approaches you can scale back the toll number a bit and look like the hero even if the tolls more than double. Watch how the weasels in New York are handling the Tappan Zee Bridge toll issue for a shining example of the bullshiatters' craft in action...did somebody say the toll was going from $5 to $15? We meant $13. Praise be!
 
2013-08-19 08:08:44 AM

Muta: I hate stopping for tolls.  They should just increase taxes to cover the cost of maintaining the bridge.


The Libertarian mantra is that there should be usage fees to cover services that you use, so paying for water, air (read Heinlein), police, fire....and roads and bridges.
 
2013-08-19 08:11:07 AM
The best way to fund the maintenance of the bridge is a tax cut for the top1% of earners in Rhode Island.

I can't believe I'm the only one who sees this reality.
 
2013-08-19 08:12:08 AM

Gulper Eel: Smoking GNU: a 10 cent toll?  Really?

South Africa now has major E-Toll roads on 60% of the highways around pretoria/joburg that cost about $5 per 10 KM (last i heard). THAT is something to protest over, for farks sakes!

They start with the lowball number so that anybody who biatches about it will look ridiculous.


Or maybe they just assessed that 10 cents per car would cover their needs.

Then the toll goes up,

Prices go up on everything.
 
2013-08-19 08:14:11 AM
I've been hearing about this shiat all summer, never once did anyone complaining about the toll deign to mention that it is only TEN farkING CENTS.
 
2013-08-19 08:20:21 AM

Wyalt Derp: Even 10 cents is too much for Patty Kelly, of Tiverton, who painted the word "tolls" with an X through it in pink on a white T-shirt for the event. In tough economic times, she said, government should look for things to cut

Such as bridge-building, bridge-maintenance etc.


No, they should cut anything that generates revenue.

But Obama wants to keep the toll to keep old white people who think 10 cents is a lot of money down.  Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-08-19 08:22:51 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Prices go up on everything.


The key is to see by how much they go up. If this ten-cent toll is a quarter ten years from now, okay. If it's $2.50, you can bet somebody in Providence is getting their pockets lined.
 
2013-08-19 08:23:49 AM
farking bootstrappy Gadsden-wavers should go buy some boats so they don't have to rely on socialist or fee-based infrastructure.

Ferchrissake...
 
2013-08-19 08:24:06 AM

Jackson Herring: I've been hearing about this shiat all summer, never once did anyone complaining about the toll deign to mention that it is only TEN farkING CENTS.


Oh sure, it's 10 cents now. But, knowing Obama, it'll soon go up to 20 cents. Then 30 cents. Then, soon, perhaps even a little into Czar Obama - Czar-bama? - well into his illegal third term, in order to pass it you'll have to present a gay marriage license or proof of abortion. It's Kenyan liberal economics 101. There's no time to pick your battles in this culture war. You have to fight every perceived inconvenience, whether real or imagined, and defend it as though it was the worst thing ever. Because knowing that blah man in the white house, it probably will be.
 
2013-08-19 08:27:25 AM
So, someone who takes the bridge to and from work 5 days a week would have to come up with a dollar to cover the cost.

How poor are these people that they can't figure out how to scrape together a dollar a week?

Or are they afraid that they'll get double charged for their vehicle and the mobility scooter it's hauling?
 
2013-08-19 08:28:48 AM

doglover: SurfaceTension: doglover: fark toll bridges. Pain in the ass to stop and pay tolls when you're driving.

EZPass FTW

That's also a pain in the ass. Much less, I'll grant you, but still slows things down.

What they should do is just not have toll bridges. Either make the whole road a turnpike or free.

Then again I grew up in Pittsburgh. If every bridge required a dime to cross I'd still be waiting in traffic from 10 years ago to get to the airport.


my 65mph EZPass lanes say notsureifserious.jpg ?
 
2013-08-19 08:29:19 AM

stoli n coke: So, someone who takes the bridge to and from work 5 days a week would have to come up with a dollar to cover the cost.

How poor are these people that they can't figure out how to scrape together a dollar a week?

Or are they afraid that they'll get double charged for their vehicle and the mobility scooter it's hauling?


It's the principle of it.  In their libertarian paradise, everything would be free.
 
2013-08-19 08:34:15 AM
problama de los blancos
 
2013-08-19 08:36:34 AM

sendtodave: stoli n coke: So, someone who takes the bridge to and from work 5 days a week would have to come up with a dollar to cover the cost.

How poor are these people that they can't figure out how to scrape together a dollar a week?

Or are they afraid that they'll get double charged for their vehicle and the mobility scooter it's hauling?

It's the principle of it.  In their libertarian paradise, everything would be free.



Wait, the hoveround hellfighters I know have gone on and on the past few years about how people should only have to pay for things they themselves use, like police and fire services, public schools, etc.

The only alternative to a toll would be a tax, which would mean people who don't even take the toll road would be charged for a piece of the upkeep.

Oh, this is the "IT'S NOT REALLY LIBERTARIAN IF I HAVE TO PAY FOR SOME OF IT!" school of thought.
 
2013-08-19 08:37:06 AM
One of my co-workers is an anti-government type. He bought a house on cul-de-sac at the end of a private road out of principle. Now the road is falling apart but him and the other people along the road can't agree on financing the repairs. The people at the front of the street don't think they should pay for the entire length since they only use the short part to their homes and even for that short part they think others should pay more since most of the traffic is from those living further along the road. His neighbor down at the end of the road doesn't think it needs to be repaired at all because he drives a 4x4 and doesn't mind the ruts and potholes. They forgot their principles briefly and asked the county to repair it. The county agreed to take over control of the road but only if the property owners would grant the county a narrow right of way along the road for use by construction vehicles. Nope... no one was going to allow the gubermint to seize their land!  Never mind they all have acre lots and the right of way would have been around ten feet on each side.

So the road continues to decay and my co-worker's car gets a good workout dodging potholes and plenty of nicks from all the pieces of the road decaying into gravel that gets tossed about by every vehicle... especially the 4x4. It's a thing of beauty and I laugh every time he gets upset that the county won't pave it for them because they're too stubborn to grant a small right-of-way.
 
2013-08-19 08:37:10 AM
shiat when I was a kid the Mount Hope Bridge had a toll that was at least a dollar.
 
2013-08-19 08:39:20 AM

propasaurus: I don't recall Obama promising there would be no tolls on this bridge.


He promised a lot of things while he was being interrogated in that chair by Clint Eastwood.  No bridge tolls, self-exile by 2014, and an Apollo-level national project to improve the quality of hen fap.
 
2013-08-19 08:39:47 AM

soia: problama de los blancos


Si. Look at all the chingas I don't give.
 
2013-08-19 08:40:21 AM
Bridges increase the revenue generated from taxes.  People need to stop pretending they're an expense, when in reality they're an asset.
 
2013-08-19 08:40:43 AM

Lochsteppe: propasaurus: I don't recall Obama promising there would be no tolls on this bridge.

He promised a lot of things while he was being interrogated in that chair by Clint Eastwood.  No bridge tolls, self-exile by 2014, and an Apollo-level national project to improve the quality of hen fap.


And what about them damn picnic apes?
 
2013-08-19 08:41:15 AM
This toll is outrageous.  All that really needs to be done is to grant a tax cut for those that actually produce anything.  This will lead to more jobs, that will lead to more tax revenue, regardless if we just cut them.  We also need to cut more welfare payments and step up efforts to make sure the fewer people that are getting welfare are not cheating the system or sitting around smoking dope.  I'm not totally sure how this will pay for bridge maintenance, but I've been told these are the solutions to all the fiscal problems in the US.
 
2013-08-19 08:42:40 AM
The answer is to privatize the bridge so the government isn't involved.  That would end any tolls right there.
 
2013-08-19 08:45:23 AM

Muta: I hate stopping for tolls.  They should just increase taxes to cover the cost of maintaining the bridge.


Muta: I hate stopping for tolls.  They should just increase taxes to cover the cost of maintaining the bridge.

 
2013-08-19 08:46:51 AM
There's really no hope for this country, is there?

Sometime during the 80s and 90s, the media and powers that be stopped publicly laughing at these people.  And now we've given them a voice and the idiot GOP gave them political power.

USA! USA! USA!
 
2013-08-19 08:47:23 AM

stoli n coke: Wait, the hoveround hellfighters I know have gone on and on the past few years about how people should only have to pay for things they themselves use, like police and fire services, public schools, etc.

The only alternative to a toll would be a tax, which would mean people who don't even take the toll road would be charged for a piece of the upkeep.

Oh, this is the "IT'S NOT REALLY LIBERTARIAN IF I HAVE TO PAY FOR SOME OF IT!" school of thought.


How many pay for their hoverrounds out of pocket?

These people aren't libertarian, they're Abe Simpson.

Bum:"Got any spare change, man?"

Grampa:"Yes! And you ain't getting it. Everybody wants something for nothing... I'm old, gimme gimme gimme!"
 
2013-08-19 08:47:29 AM
Okay, this is all actually hilarious the more I look into it.  Where to start!

The bridge to the south of the one in question is the Mount Hope Bridge.  It was constructed and maintained by the private Mount Hope Bridge Company.  However, "On October 24, 1929, about five months behind schedule, the $5,000,000 bridge was opened to traffic. It was owned by the Mount Hope Bridge Company as a privatetoll bridge, with the initial toll costing 60 cents one way, and $1 for a round-trip. By 1931, the Bridge company went bankrupt, and Rudolf F. Haffenreffer, a prominent local brewer, acquired the bridge in receivership. [...] In 1954, with the company in receivership, the Mount Hope Bridge was purchased by the State of Rhode Island. The bridge's toll was eventually reduced from 60 cents to 30 cents for a one-way trip. It was finally discontinued in 1998, after calculations indicated that the toll was not high enough to cover the cost of collecting it." -source wiki

So in 1954, the state owned it and there were no tolls.  To accomplish this, the Rhode Island Turnpike and Bridge Authority was founded.  Fast forward and switch gears a bit.  In 1966, another bridge was constructed by the private Parsons Brinckerhoff construction firm.  Noteworthy because they also designed and built the Garden State Parkway in NJ.  Hurray for them, amirite?  Anyway, this construction was undertaken by the state, and they appear to have levied tolls, but I can't confirm that.  Only current tolls are available.  But it was also operated by the state through RITBA.

Around this time, 1966, RITBA began construction of the Claiborne Pell Bridge.  Another toll bridge going from island to island.  It was opened in 1969.  Tolls are 4 bucks each way.  Fast forward again!  It's 2009 and the old ass Sakkonet River Truss Bridge is falling the hell apart.  A new suspension bridge is commissioned.  Now it's 2012, the bridge is ready to open, but it was expensive.  The state was low on cash and apparently RITBA was partially privatized by allowing private investment firm VION to bail them out and and become partial owners.  Immediately thereafter, they voted internally to increase tolls on the Claiborne Pell Bridge, with subsequently scheduled hikes every three years afterwards.  They were forced to hold public hearings though, and they were pressured into coming up with a different solution to a nearly 220 million dollar budget shortfall.  They chose to levy this 10 cent toll on the new Sakonnet River Bridge.


TLDR Version:
So to break this down, a private company was contractually required to close a budget shortfall related to the construction of the brand spanking new bridge, and wanted to raise tolls on a completely unrelated bridge to do that.  When public backlash grew too fierce, they changed their mind and levied a TEN CENT toll on the bridge they ACTUALLY NEEDED TO PAY FOR.  And this is tyrannical or something.

Fark these idiots.  They clearly haven't done any of the above research.  They think it's a state decision.  They think this happened in a vacuum.  And they think they're entitled to a fancy new bridge that carries about twice as many people, at the expense of folks crossing a bridge halfway across the state.
 
2013-08-19 08:47:38 AM

EngineerAU: One of my co-workers is an anti-government type. He bought a house on cul-de-sac at the end of a private road out of principle. Now the road is falling apart but him and the other people along the road can't agree on financing the repairs. The people at the front of the street don't think they should pay for the entire length since they only use the short part to their homes and even for that short part they think others should pay more since most of the traffic is from those living further along the road. His neighbor down at the end of the road doesn't think it needs to be repaired at all because he drives a 4x4 and doesn't mind the ruts and potholes. They forgot their principles briefly and asked the county to repair it. The county agreed to take over control of the road but only if the property owners would grant the county a narrow right of way along the road for use by construction vehicles. Nope... no one was going to allow the gubermint to seize their land!  Never mind they all have acre lots and the right of way would have been around ten feet on each side.

So the road continues to decay and my co-worker's car gets a good workout dodging potholes and plenty of nicks from all the pieces of the road decaying into gravel that gets tossed about by every vehicle... especially the 4x4. It's a thing of beauty and I laugh every time he gets upset that the county won't pave it for them because they're too stubborn to grant a small right-of-way.


Your CSB is a near-perfect allegory for the Tea Party movement. I farking love it.
 
2013-08-19 08:48:25 AM

Notabunny: Muta: I hate stopping for tolls.  They should just increase taxes to cover the cost of maintaining the bridge.

Muta: I hate stopping for tolls.  They should just increase taxes to cover the cost of maintaining the bridge.


You said "taxes" twice.
 
2013-08-19 08:49:51 AM

stoli n coke: So, someone who takes the bridge to and from work 5 days a week would have to come up with a dollar to cover the cost.

How poor are these people that they can't figure out how to scrape together a dollar a week?

Or are they afraid that they'll get double charged for their vehicle and the mobility scooter it's hauling?


In 2000, the median income for a household in the town was $58,835, and the median income for a family was $68,577. Males had a median income of $46,297 versus $31,745 for females. The per capita income for the town was $28,161. About 2.0% of families and 3.4% of the population were below the poverty line, including 2.8% of those under age 18 and 6.4% of those age 65 or over. - source wiki
 
2013-08-19 08:50:16 AM

RealityChuck: The answer is to privatize the bridge so the government isn't involved.  That would end any tolls right there.


You joke, but this is less than ten miles from the bridge in the article:


On October 24, 1929, about five months behind schedule, the $5,000,000 bridge was opened to traffic. It was owned by the Mount Hope Bridge Company as a private toll bridge, with the initial toll costing 60 cents one way, and $1 for a round-trip. By 1931, the Bridge company went bankrupt, and Rudolf F. Haffenreffer, a prominent local brewer, acquired the bridge in receivership.
 
2013-08-19 08:50:31 AM
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2013-08-19 08:51:03 AM

Jackson Herring: shiat when I was a kid the Mount Hope Bridge had a toll that was at least a dollar.


It was a dollar per axle at it's maximum.  Then the state bought it and lowered it to 30 cents.  Then they decided it cost too much to collect 30 cents, so they just quit.
 
2013-08-19 08:51:46 AM

sendtodave: stoli n coke: Wait, the hoveround hellfighters I know have gone on and on the past few years about how people should only have to pay for things they themselves use, like police and fire services, public schools, etc.

The only alternative to a toll would be a tax, which would mean people who don't even take the toll road would be charged for a piece of the upkeep.

Oh, this is the "IT'S NOT REALLY LIBERTARIAN IF I HAVE TO PAY FOR SOME OF IT!" school of thought.

How many pay for their hoverrounds out of pocket?

These people aren't libertarian, they're Abe Simpson.

Bum:"Got any spare change, man?"

Grampa:"Yes! And you ain't getting it. Everybody wants something for nothing... I'm old, gimme gimme gimme!"



I understand that. They don't seem to mind other people paying taxes to cover their disability checks (Apparently, a back injury 14 years ago keeps someone from working in an insurance office, even though they spend their free time sitting at a desk surfing the net) or the WIC checks for their idiot daughters that couldn't get through high school without cranking out 2 kids.

I know you can't win with those people. The only moral welfare is their welfare.
 
2013-08-19 08:52:04 AM

BeesNuts: Okay, this is all actually hilarious the more I look into it.  Where to start!


Oh god damn it.
 
2013-08-19 08:53:01 AM

BeesNuts: Jackson Herring: shiat when I was a kid the Mount Hope Bridge had a toll that was at least a dollar.

It was a dollar per axle at it's maximum.  Then the state bought it and lowered it to 30 cents.  Then they decided it cost too much to collect 30 cents, so they just quit.


That sounds about right. My mom used to drive over that bridge four times a day five days a week every summer when I was growing up, I remember the summer when they finally closed the toll booths.
 
2013-08-19 08:53:48 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Bridges increase the revenue generated from taxes.  People need to stop pretending they're an expense, when in reality they're an asset.


Then you can explain why the privately owned bridge went bankrupt, and the tolls are becoming a serious problem for the company in charge of the Authority's finance?
 
2013-08-19 08:55:47 AM
The real question you guys are missing, is the bridge is steel, and how were they expecting to burn down a steel bridge...?
 
2013-08-19 08:58:06 AM
I could see this kind of stupid shiat happening in Michigan.  And in the meantime, we spend 1/3 of our state budget on keeping tens of thousands of nonviolent offenders in prison.....
 
2013-08-19 08:58:57 AM

Jackson Herring: BeesNuts: Okay, this is all actually hilarious the more I look into it.  Where to start!

Oh god damn it.


I know right?

Notabunny: Muta: I hate stopping for tolls.  They should just increase taxes to cover the cost of maintaining the bridge.


Interestingly enough, they can't finance this bridge with taxes because of the nature of the contract between the state and the RITBA.

"No tax dollars, state or local, are received by the Authority for debt service or expenses incurred in the operation and maintenance of the bridges and associated buildings and grounds. Rather, all obligations are satisfied with funds received in the form of toll revenue and investment income."

+

"A trust agreement between the Authority and bondholders requires the former to maintain and operate the bridges in an efficient and economical manner. The Authority is at all times to maintain the bridges in good repair and sound operational condition, and to make all necessary repairs, renewals, and replacements."


=


We have to pay for it, but we can't take any money from the state.  And if we leverage investments too much, we cede control over those bridges to private companies.
 
2013-08-19 09:02:09 AM
Teabaggers are stupid, violent, dangerous people.
 
2013-08-19 09:07:14 AM
Looks more like a frat initiation.

There were no tolls in Texas before Fearless Leader, except in the godless big cities of Houston and Dallas.

No gun-toting, bible-thumping, sheep-loving normal Texans in normal Texas would ever have a Yankee-style toll, much less the Tea Sip Partiers. Now, it's tolls everywhere. You can't go to the corner store without paying tolls three times. Hell, you have to walk through a toll booth just to get to the living room in some spots.

Oh. There are so many tolls, so many campaign donors that EZPass doesn't work. In fact you need 3 or 4 different toll stickers to cover most of the toll roads. Who wants to roll down a window in 100° heat?

The bookies have Perry down as retiring in one of the countries that got the toll contracts, probably Spain..


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2013-08-19 09:13:15 AM
First: I used to live there. People who live on Aqidneck Island and/or Tiverton can damned well afford to pay for their bridge. Seriously. These people own boats and waterfront property.

Second: This is a user fee, not a tax.  It's the exact sort of regressive money scheme these guys usually support, on par with sales tax and flat income tax.
 
2013-08-19 09:16:50 AM

derpy: First: I used to live there. People who live on Aqidneck Island and/or Tiverton can damned well afford to pay for their bridge. Seriously. These people own boats and waterfront property.

Second: This is a user fee, not a tax.  It's the exact sort of regressive money scheme these guys usually support, on par with sales tax and flat income tax.


You'll find that the more people can afford to pay for things, the less they feel that they should.
 
2013-08-19 09:22:08 AM
Maybe the Tea Partiers would prefer a free market solution?   A for-profit company could put up a bridge and charge whatever the market will bear, which I'm guessing is going to be a hell-of-a-lot more expensive than 10 cents a trip.
 
2013-08-19 09:26:07 AM

czei: Maybe the Tea Partiers would prefer a free market solution?   A for-profit company could put up a bridge and charge whatever the market will bear, which I'm guessing is going to be a hell-of-a-lot more expensive than 10 cents a trip.


Apparently the market can't even bare that.

The free market would need to provide free bridges.
 
2013-08-19 09:33:41 AM

doglover: fark toll bridges. Pain in the ass to stop and pay tolls when you're driving.


Because my car gets such good mileage, it's usually more cost-effective for me to simply go around the toll roads and bridges, even if that means a few extra miles....
 
2013-08-19 09:39:35 AM
To be fair, TFA doesn't say they are Tea Party Patriots, but they fit the mold. Emphasis on stupid.
 
2013-08-19 09:39:39 AM
Obama lied, freedom died, eagles cried.

www.drinkhacker.com
 
2013-08-19 09:45:39 AM
I live in Michigan where we have no toll roads so I don't have an EZPass.  What pisses me off about paying tolls is that  I have to dig in my pocket for the money while driving.  It also irks me when paying a toll on an interstate.  I already paid taxes to drive on those roads paying a toll on top of the tax means I am effectively paying twice to ride on the road.
 
2013-08-19 09:47:01 AM

Muta: I live in Michigan where we have no toll roads so I don't have an EZPass.  What pisses me off about paying tolls is that  I have to dig in my pocket for the money while driving.  It also irks me when paying a toll on an interstate.  I already paid taxes to drive on those roads paying a toll on top of the tax means I am effectively paying twice to ride on the road.


You said that Michigan doesn't have toll roads.

So, uh, you pay taxes for roads in other states?  Admirable.
 
2013-08-19 09:49:24 AM
Tolls are stupid and regressive.  But I realized something.  Republicans like regressive taxes because it fuels anti-tax sentiments, which in turns lets them run on cutting taxes for the rich.  People who vote republican do so because of the kinds of taxes republicans support.
 
2013-08-19 09:54:18 AM

BeesNuts: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Bridges increase the revenue generated from taxes.  People need to stop pretending they're an expense, when in reality they're an asset.

Then you can explain why the privately owned bridge went bankrupt, and the tolls are becoming a serious problem for the company in charge of the Authority's finance?


You apparently cannot comprehend my statement.  Not even slightly.

Bridges increase trade, which increases tax revenue, which pays for the bridge.  The money to pay for maintenance should come out of the EXTRA taxes the local taxing authority takes in, but instead, they pretend that all those taxes are the norm, and then ask for extra money to pay for the thing that's making them more money.  It's not a difficult concept.
 
2013-08-19 10:06:11 AM

PopularFront: Wait, aren't these the same people accusing liberals of wanting "free stuff?"  Their lack of self awareness is staggering.

That said, if these people live on an island that connects by a bridge to the mainland, perhaps closing the bridge and eliminating the cost altogether is the way to go


If they were all at home on the island at the time the bridge is closed, there's no question that the mainlanders would certainly end up better off.
 
2013-08-19 10:07:33 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: BeesNuts: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Bridges increase the revenue generated from taxes.  People need to stop pretending they're an expense, when in reality they're an asset.

Then you can explain why the privately owned bridge went bankrupt, and the tolls are becoming a serious problem for the company in charge of the Authority's finance?

You apparently cannot comprehend my statement.  Not even slightly.

Bridges increase trade, which increases tax revenue, which pays for the bridge.  The money to pay for maintenance should come out of the EXTRA taxes the local taxing authority takes in, but instead, they pretend that all those taxes are the norm, and then ask for extra money to pay for the thing that's making them more money.  It's not a difficult concept.


I suppose.  But that's not at all how bridges are financed.  The extra revenue brought in by increased trade isn't exactly measured, let along tied to the taxes that could pay for these bridges in the absence of tolls.

If you could tie the two together, that sounds great.  Since I don't think that's been done, state taxes work for bridges used by folks from all over the state.  But when your taxes go up by 2% one year and you find out it was to build a fancy new bridge for some folks who live on an island with a country club, it's not exactly cool.  Tolls at least force the burden on those who use the bridge.  At least this isn't outrageously expensive like Staten Island.
 
2013-08-19 10:10:37 AM

sendtodave: Muta: I live in Michigan where we have no toll roads so I don't have an EZPass.  What pisses me off about paying tolls is that  I have to dig in my pocket for the money while driving.  It also irks me when paying a toll on an interstate.  I already paid taxes to drive on those roads paying a toll on top of the tax means I am effectively paying twice to ride on the road.

You said that Michigan doesn't have toll roads.

So, uh, you pay taxes for roads in other states?  Admirable.


Not to mention if they are toll roads he kind of didn't pay taxes to support the road.  The toll authority pays for the expenses and upkeep, so the toll authority recoups the expenses with a toll.
 
2013-08-19 10:13:02 AM

EngineerAU: The people at the front of the street don't think they should pay for the entire length since they only use the short part to their homes


Yeah, yeah, and I should only have to pay for the 4 inches I use, while my neighbor should fork over to my wife fair share for his 10 inches of use.

wait
what?
 
2013-08-19 10:13:07 AM

Abacus9: propasaurus: "It's a working man's bridge," she said. "You stand out there in the morning during the week, as opposed to Saturday and Sunday, it's full of people going to work."

Yeah! And working men should get free bridges!

Now Tea Party "Patriots" want free stuff from Obama?


Of course they do. They just don't want stuff to go to anyone else, because they are special special people. They even have their own special short bus when they were in school.
 
2013-08-19 10:41:11 AM

RedPhoenix122: Slaxl: Tolls aren't taxes. They're tolls. A tax is a tax.

A toll is a toll, and a roll is a roll, and if we don't get no tolls then we don't eat no rolls.


soupafi: A toll is a toll, and a roll is a roll, and if we don't take tolls then we get no rolls.
/made that up myself


Huh. How about that.
 
2013-08-19 10:44:02 AM
Farking whiny shiatheads. I'm sure they'd be happier with a polebarge ferry or maybe even a canoe, canoes are the epitome of bootstrappy river-crossing implements, and you can even make them yourself out of birchbark.
 
2013-08-19 10:46:10 AM
All these over a farking dime?

Damn this Tea Party exercise in contradiction. Well, you don't want to pay the god damn tolls, but let the rest of country subsidize your stupid bridge?
 
2013-08-19 10:49:09 AM
"Tolls are taxes, and it's going to have an impact," said Angie Isadore, of Portsmouth
Yes MS. Isadore you are 100% correct, They ARE a tax, taxes you , see being how governments pays thier bills, and things like bridges  cost lots of money to maintain.  Now it used to be the money for this sort of thing came from the federal highway bill or a state one, but you dumbasses bought the arguments of million- and billionaires that the poor dears were being overtaxed and you demanded tax cuts that gave you an extra $300 on average a year, and them and extra $300,000.  As a result we turned the Surplus of 2001 into record deficits before Bush left office (and that wasn't even including war spending)   and the Federal budget which should have been balanced by 2007 instead is running a trillion dollar deficit.   In short, you made your bed by being too ignorant to inform yourselves on the issues and reacted as a knee-jerk lackey to powerful special interests.  Now lie in that bed, shut up and pay your tolls
 
2013-08-19 10:49:59 AM

SoupGuru: Sometime during the 80s and 90s, the media and powers that be stopped publicly laughing at these people.  And now we've given them a voice and the idiot GOP gave them political power.


1996. fox news. "fair and balanced"

after that, the rest of the media was terrified of being called "liberal," so they had to present everything - no matter how insane - with "balance."

just imagine if they'd been forced to do that in the 1940s:

"alright, and now we're going to hear from josef goebbels of the nazi party. herr goebbels, what's your take on what you folks call "the jewish problem?"
 
2013-08-19 10:50:38 AM
Argh! You stupid farks LOVE fees at point-of-use! What the hell is wrong with you all?!

sendtodave: These people aren't libertarian, they're Abe Simpson.

Bum:"Got any spare change, man?"

Grampa:"Yes! And you ain't getting it. Everybody wants something for nothing... I'm old, gimme gimme gimme!"


Oh, right.
 
2013-08-19 10:53:41 AM

doglover: SurfaceTension: doglover: fark toll bridges. Pain in the ass to stop and pay tolls when you're driving.

EZPass FTW

That's also a pain in the ass. Much less, I'll grant you, but still slows things down.

What they should do is just not have toll bridges. Either make the whole road a turnpike or free.

Then again I grew up in Pittsburgh. If every bridge required a dime to cross I'd still be waiting in traffic from 10 years ago to get to the airport.


toll by plate is even better.
 
2013-08-19 10:55:37 AM
When you choose to live on a farking island, you shouldn't complain about contributing to the cost of the bridge.
 
2013-08-19 11:03:24 AM

sendtodave: derpy: First: I used to live there. People who live on Aqidneck Island and/or Tiverton can damned well afford to pay for their bridge. Seriously. These people own boats and waterfront property.

Second: This is a user fee, not a tax.  It's the exact sort of regressive money scheme these guys usually support, on par with sales tax and flat income tax.

You'll find that the more people can afford to pay for things, the less they feel that they should.


That's been my experience as well. When the guy making twice my salary complains about the $100 for his kids physical to play sports (which was actually $25 after insurance) I just shake my head.
 
2013-08-19 11:04:11 AM
Maybe they should build their own bridge out of patriotic t-shirts and boot straps.
 
2013-08-19 11:05:09 AM
The fail tolls for thee.
 
2013-08-19 11:05:18 AM

doglover: SurfaceTension: doglover: fark toll bridges. Pain in the ass to stop and pay tolls when you're driving.

EZPass FTW

That's also a pain in the ass. Much less, I'll grant you, but still slows things down.

What they should do is just not have toll bridges. Either make the whole road a turnpike or free.

Then again I grew up in Pittsburgh. If every bridge required a dime to cross I'd still be waiting in traffic from 10 years ago to get to the airport.


The new HOT lanes they put around DC require EZPass and there aren't any toll stations.  You just get on the lanes at 65mph.
 
2013-08-19 11:06:41 AM
My question is if the arsonist will be charged with terrorism charges. Trying to burn down a bridge because for a political purpose is text-book terrorism. Actual or threatened violence against people or property for the purpose of furthering a political goal or agenda.
 
2013-08-19 11:10:14 AM

Deneb81: My question is if the arsonist will be charged with terrorism charges. Trying to burn down a bridge because for a political purpose is text-book terrorism. Actual or threatened violence against people or property for the purpose of furthering a political goal or agenda.


That's only if your Muslin-y.  For white people it's called "watering the tree of liberty" or something.  Study it out.
 
2013-08-19 11:18:13 AM

Deneb81: My question is if the arsonist will be charged with terrorism charges. Trying to burn down a bridge because for a political purpose is text-book terrorism. Actual or threatened violence against people or property for the purpose of furthering a political goal or agenda.


It actually could be charged as a federal crime of terrorism under the revisons to the law made in 2002, as it is a felony which could disrupt mass transit.
 
2013-08-19 11:27:38 AM

RTOGUY: Maybe they should build their own bridge out of patriotic t-shirts and boot straps.


With blackjack, and hookers.
 
2013-08-19 11:35:54 AM
Burning down a bridge to protest the inconvenience of paying a toll.  Sounds like typical Teabagger logic.
 
2013-08-19 11:51:52 AM

Bathia_Mapes: [dillanweems.com image 300x169]


Obama Thruway? Now what'll that asshole think of next? Has anybody got a dime? Somebody's gotta go back and get a shiat-load of dimes!
 
2013-08-19 11:52:36 AM
Yeah, because once all roads are private roads  so that "only users pay "as Libertarians dream, there won't be any tolls, right?
 
2013-08-19 11:53:57 AM

BeesNuts: amiable: So, were they supporting an increase in taxes to pay for the bridge?  Holy cognitive dissonance batman!

I think most of them are probably very stupid people who saw an opportunity to biatch about someone takin' their money.  However, the islanders held hostage sign, while hyperbolic as all hell, got me thinking more about it.  There are three bridges that leave Portsmouth, this is the one that goes northeast to the mainland.  It's also the most direct route into Massachusetts from there.

Considering Portsmouth's in Rhode Island, where 1,050,000 people or so live, and because it only has 17,000 people itself, an argument could be made that this toll disproportionately affects those on the Island.  That would depend on how the bridge is actually used and in which direction you pay tolls... etc.  But one could possibly make that claim, I suppose.

Then again, if it were state gas taxes paying for this, and the bridge is used primarily by 17,000 people (who want to drive to the cape from their island), the rest of those 1,033,000 people would have a much stronger case for "unfairness".


The purpose of a toll booth is exactly that.  It disproportionately effects the people most likely to use it.  If there were a ferry across, people would be paying a lot more (say $4 or $10) to cross, the bottleneck would be a lot greater, and it would probably cost less money to build, but people would not be biatching about tolls.

There is a romance and "freedom" to a road that makes people think that that freedom is free.
 
2013-08-19 12:50:17 PM

vernonFL: TuteTibiImperes: Bridges don't spontaneously manifest out of the ether.  They have to be paid for via taxes or tolls.  Personally, I prefer the tax route as paying tolls creates traffic backups and is a general PITA, but somehow I doubt the teabaggers would support that either.

This.


First they came for our taxes and I didn't speak up. Then they came for our user fees...

/Somalia Rocks
 
2013-08-19 12:57:17 PM

Name_Omitted: BeesNuts: amiable: So, were they supporting an increase in taxes to pay for the bridge?  Holy cognitive dissonance batman!

I think most of them are probably very stupid people who saw an opportunity to biatch about someone takin' their money.  However, the islanders held hostage sign, while hyperbolic as all hell, got me thinking more about it.  There are three bridges that leave Portsmouth, this is the one that goes northeast to the mainland.  It's also the most direct route into Massachusetts from there.

Considering Portsmouth's in Rhode Island, where 1,050,000 people or so live, and because it only has 17,000 people itself, an argument could be made that this toll disproportionately affects those on the Island.  That would depend on how the bridge is actually used and in which direction you pay tolls... etc.  But one could possibly make that claim, I suppose.

Then again, if it were state gas taxes paying for this, and the bridge is used primarily by 17,000 people (who want to drive to the cape from their island), the rest of those 1,033,000 people would have a much stronger case for "unfairness".

The purpose of a toll booth is exactly that.  It disproportionately effects the people most likely to use it.  If there were a ferry across, people would be paying a lot more (say $4 or $10) to cross, the bottleneck would be a lot greater, and it would probably cost less money to build, but people would not be biatching about tolls.

There is a romance and "freedom" to a road that makes people think that that freedom is free.

imageshack.usDo not repeat back to me what I just said in different farking words!/It's definitely weird that people would be happier with a $4 ferry in principle...
 
2013-08-19 12:58:17 PM
piece of garbage buttons...  RAW HTML from here on in, yep.
 
2013-08-19 01:05:34 PM
There's a lot of stupidity in that article.
 
2013-08-19 01:10:32 PM
A toll on a road/sidewalk/park is a 'per use' or 'usage' tax.
A toll is used when the politicians in charge of the roads forgot to save tax monies to pay for new bridges and other infrastructures.

/Don't tell them teabaggers on how the toll bridges is using their personal information(license plate) to be stored in a database to show how many times they drove the toll route via lots of cameras to catch scofflaws.
//Automated license plate readers.
///They are mounted in police cars too.
 
2013-08-19 01:17:45 PM
You see, RI is too busy getting gay married to take away 10 cent tolls from bridges.

i194.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-19 01:24:57 PM

sheep snorter: A toll on a road/sidewalk/park is a 'per use' or 'usage' tax.
A toll is used when the politicians in charge of the roads forgot to save tax monies to pay for new bridges and other infrastructures.


Wait a minute, every time a guv'ment runs a "surplus" people are screaming that it's OUR money and we need tax cuts (yes, for the rich) to return OUR money to us?  So what is this "saving" of which you speak?
 
2013-08-19 01:49:28 PM

Name_Omitted: 17,000 people


over 60,000 people live on Aquidneck Island
 
2013-08-19 01:51:26 PM
Can we finally call them terrorists now?
 
2013-08-19 02:12:46 PM
I know this is fark, and serious opinions are not welcome, but if you want to allow locals to cross the bridge for free and just charge tourists and out-of towners, just do this:
i42.tinypic.com
 
2013-08-19 02:39:33 PM

derpy: I know this is fark, and serious opinions are not welcome, but if you want to allow locals to cross the bridge for free and just charge tourists and out-of towners, just do this:


Why should the locals get a free ride? It's not the tourists' fault they decided to live on an island.
 
2013-08-19 02:40:11 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: BeesNuts: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Bridges increase the revenue generated from taxes.  People need to stop pretending they're an expense, when in reality they're an asset.

Then you can explain why the privately owned bridge went bankrupt, and the tolls are becoming a serious problem for the company in charge of the Authority's finance?

You apparently cannot comprehend my statement.  Not even slightly.

Bridges increase trade, which increases tax revenue, which pays for the bridge.  The money to pay for maintenance should come out of the EXTRA taxes the local taxing authority takes in, but instead, they pretend that all those taxes are the norm, and then ask for extra money to pay for the thing that's making them more money.  It's not a difficult concept.


But what if we've already reduced the taxes on trade to lure the businesses there in the first place, Texas-style. Are you telling me we should do the Socio-Marxo-Commun-Obama-astic thing of taxing job creators to simply pay off a bridge that is built for everyone's use?
 
2013-08-19 02:41:01 PM

propasaurus: "It's a working man's bridge," she said. "You stand out there in the morning during the week, as opposed to Saturday and Sunday, it's full of people going to work."

Yeah! And working men should get free bridges!


Surely he'd support that along with another commuter-heavy bridge! Something like, say, the Golden Gate and Bay Bridges that lead into San Francisco! And not just the one that he personally uses!
 
2013-08-19 02:55:19 PM

derpy: I know this is fark, and serious opinions are not welcome, but if you want to allow locals to cross the bridge for free and just charge tourists and out-of towners, just do this:
[i42.tinypic.com image 850x492]


I'd agree with you if it was $5 but it's a dime.  And they are the party most directly benefitting from this bridge.  So they better darn well pay for it.
 
2013-08-19 02:59:49 PM
How do the economics of this work.  $0.10 is not much money and you'd need to collect about 150 tolls per hour just to pay minimum wage to each toll booth attendant.  That works out to 2.5 cars per minute per booth and if it takes 7.5 seconds per toll transaction (8 per minute) then 1/3 of the collected toll money goes simply to wages.  Add the cost of the toll equipment, upkeep, managing the change etc. and there can't be much if any money left over to actually maintain the bridge.

Not against tolls, but this seems economically non-viable.
 
2013-08-19 03:44:09 PM

Mr. Eugenides: $0.10 is not much money and you'd need to collect about 150 tolls per hour just to pay minimum wage to each toll booth attendant.


How about if it's automated?
 
2013-08-19 03:55:40 PM

Fart_Machine: Mr. Eugenides: $0.10 is not much money and you'd need to collect about 150 tolls per hour just to pay minimum wage to each toll booth attendant.

How about if it's automated?


I assume for the most part it would be but it doesn't really matter if it is, you still need at least 2 attendants (one for each direction of traffic) because you cannot ever totally automate such a system because there are no roads that are used exclusively by locals.

My point still stands, 10 cents seems far too low a toll to actually accomplish the task they're trying to accomplish and if the required maintenance funds are so low in the first place there should be room in the state's general fund budget to cover it rather than creating a bureaucratic system that would cost more to maintain that the funds it raises.
 
2013-08-19 04:51:05 PM
LouDobbsAwaaaay: Teabaggers are stupid, violent, dangerous people.
 
2013-08-19 04:56:46 PM
Perhaps they should privatize it.  Sell it to a private equity fund.  Then it would be free, because private sector efficiency and the freedoms, right?
 
2013-08-19 06:12:55 PM
So, let's add toll roads to the list of things that never existed before Obama. Toll Road will be joining the following illustrious company:

The war in Afghanistan
NSA
The Patriot Act
Tsars (or Czars)
Taxes
Homeland Security
Attacks on embassies
Increases in insurance rates
 
2013-08-19 07:33:31 PM

Mr. Eugenides: I assume for the most part it would be but it doesn't really matter if it is, you still need at least 2 attendants (one for each direction of traffic) because you cannot ever totally automate such a system because there are no roads that are used exclusively by locals.


Probably they use a plate reader and bill the people without transponders, which is what Toronto did to me when I drove onto one of their toll roads expecting there to be a toll booth.

If the state keeps things at a simple dime-a-trip charge for everybody it's pretty cheap to maintain...but no way does that toll stay a dime for more than a few years.
 
2013-08-19 08:39:45 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

Problem solved
 
2013-08-19 08:52:54 PM
Mayor Quimby:Are these people getting dumber or just louder?
Aide: Dumber, Sir!
 
2013-08-20 12:57:55 AM
www.bowdoindailysun.com

It's just too much to ask people to help pay for the things they use, amirite?
 
2013-08-20 11:37:47 AM

derpy: I know this is fark, and serious opinions are not welcome, but if you want to allow locals to cross the bridge for free and just charge tourists and out-of towners, just do this:
[i42.tinypic.com image 850x492]


Except you could easily exit, take local road to the next entrance, and avoid the toll completely.  Then the tourists would be using the local roads, requiring more maintenance on them, and the morons in the article would be complaining about the traffic, requiring additional traffic control measures, which, of course, cost money.
 
2013-08-20 12:14:19 PM
Welcome to Aynrandistan.  That'll be $200 for the transponder you'll need to drive on our roads.  The transponder will only be used for billing purposes.  Trust us.
 
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