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2013-08-18 10:02:47 PM
Can we just forgo the article and turn this into a misogynistic, hot twins thread?

That would be great. Thanks.
 
2013-08-18 10:13:18 PM
As she now says: "I strongly believe that Islam is the one true faith and Christianity is wrong. I endured many taunts and bigotry

Paging Doctor Morrisette.
 
2013-08-18 10:42:49 PM
cdn.crushable.com
 
2013-08-18 10:42:51 PM

PapaChester: Can we just forgo the article and turn this into a misogynistic, hot twins thread?

That would be great. Thanks.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-18 10:57:19 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-18 11:41:49 PM
SO. MUCH. WIN. IN. HERE!!!!
 
2013-08-18 11:42:24 PM
Twins Basil
 
2013-08-18 11:44:16 PM
Ok, stupid and hot, just how I like them!
 
2013-08-18 11:44:53 PM

PapaChester: Can we just forgo the article and turn this into a misogynistic, hot twins thread?

That would be great. Thanks.


Now why do you gotta go put a negative slant on it? Can't we just like hot twins without being all misogynistic about it?
 
2013-08-18 11:45:27 PM
 
2013-08-18 11:46:03 PM

PapaChester: Can we just forgo the article and turn this into a misogynistic, hot twins thread?

That would be great. Thanks.


Indeed. I was promised hot twins by subby. Religious, meh, take it or leave it.
/agnostic
 
2013-08-18 11:49:18 PM

PapaChester: Can we just forgo the article and turn this into a misogynistic, hot twins thread?

That would be great. Thanks.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-18 11:50:54 PM

PapaChester: Can we just forgo the article and turn this into a misogynistic, hot twins thread?

That would be great. Thanks.


extras.mnginteractive.com
 
2013-08-18 11:51:33 PM
Hopefully we can identify this gene and eradicate it.
 
2013-08-18 11:51:33 PM
sc.miratuserie.com
 
2013-08-18 11:53:48 PM

fusillade762: Hopefully we can identify this gene and eradicate it.


You know who Else liked eliminating those whose genes he disliked?
 
2013-08-18 11:54:27 PM

PapaChester: Can we just forgo the article and turn this into a misogynistic, hot twins thread?

That would be great. Thanks.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-18 11:55:39 PM
and who could forget
 
2013-08-18 11:58:44 PM

pedobearapproved: and who could forget


apparently you?
 
2013-08-18 11:59:43 PM
Throughout history, humans do seem to have had an inexplicable tendency to want to believe and put their faith in a "higher power" of some sort.

These days we seem to be trending away from the traditional "sky-god" worship and leaning more toward the (often equally irrational) worship of State, "science" and academia.
 
2013-08-19 12:00:54 AM
dfordalrymple.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-19 12:03:38 AM

Oldiron_79: fusillade762: Hopefully we can identify this gene and eradicate it.

You know who Else liked eliminating those whose genes he disliked?


Me, Ed Grubermann!
 
2013-08-19 12:06:31 AM
Plot twist: triplets are atheists....
 
2013-08-19 12:07:25 AM
Hmmm, it's not a choice, they were born that way!

/NTTAWWT
 
2013-08-19 12:08:32 AM
Amos Quito: "science"

as opposed to plain old science?
 
2013-08-19 12:08:34 AM
MOAR!

i291.photobucket.com

/no, really... MORE!
 
2013-08-19 12:09:17 AM

Amos Quito: Throughout history, humans do seem to have had an inexplicable tendency to want to believe and put their faith in a "higher power" of some sort.

These days we seem to be trending away from the traditional "sky-god" worship and leaning more toward the (often equally irrational) worship of State, "science" and academia.


Damn smart people and their science!

And society not doing exactly what I want? People are so stupid.

Goddamn, you are getting more retarded by the day.
 
2013-08-19 12:09:25 AM

Amos Quito: These days we seem to be trending away from the traditional "sky-god" worship and leaning more toward the (often equally irrational) worship of State, "science" and academia.


Yes, who can forget the university crusades of the middle ages, or the horrific "science" mass killings of the 19th century?

(What the hell are you talking about?)
 
2013-08-19 12:09:51 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: PapaChester: Can we just forgo the article and turn this into a misogynistic, hot twins thread?

That would be great. Thanks.

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Shiat, this thing filled up quickly... sure, a middle seat will be fine.
 
2013-08-19 12:13:50 AM

Thanks for the Meme-ries: MOAR!



/no, really... MORE!


Have them sent to my quarters.
 
2013-08-19 12:14:34 AM

Thanks for the Meme-ries: MOAR!

[i291.photobucket.com image 480x600]

/no, really... MORE!




You know, humans aren't supposed to be born in litters, but in this case everything (and everyone) turned out quite nicely.
 
2013-08-19 12:15:15 AM
There is a switch somewhere deep inside a woman labeled "number of copies".
 
2013-08-19 12:19:08 AM

Oldiron_79: fusillade762: Hopefully we can identify this gene and eradicate it.

You know who Else liked eliminating those whose genes he disliked?


Not advocating that. I said "gene" not "people". Hey, if they can use genetic manipulation to cure Down syndrome why not this, too?
 
2013-08-19 12:19:25 AM
Other twin studies have shown that after leaving home, children with the right predisposition can often switch religions, and that which form they then choose is not down to the genes but to life events or some mysterious unknown force.

Take it outside, god-boy.
 
2013-08-19 12:23:21 AM
Quantum Apostrophe: Yes, who can forget the university crusades of the middle ages, or the horrific "science" mass killings of the 19th century?

oh, and remember when "science" placed Galileo under life-long house arrest for heresy?
 
2013-08-19 12:23:35 AM

Amos Quito: Throughout history, humans do seem to have had an inexplicable tendency to want to believe and put their faith in a "higher power" of some sort.

These days we seem to be trending away from the traditional "sky-god" worship and leaning more toward the (often equally irrational) worship of State, "science" and academia.


Yeah... As a skeptical atheist I find the blind faith in science just as bad. The latest bunch of ideas from the physicists seem like a series of in-jokes. I'm trying to let go of modernity and get deeper into the historic thoughts. Maybe religion is something we need to keep around as an opiate for the masses, it's the easiest way to introduce old ways to thinking to them.
 
2013-08-19 12:26:26 AM

serial_crusher: pedobearapproved: and who could forget

apparently you?


the link rejected after being alright in preview. But on the plus side someone else put it up.
 
2013-08-19 12:26:28 AM
Devito will always be my favorite twin.
 
2013-08-19 12:28:02 AM

PacificaFitz: Ok, stupid and hot, just how I like them!


Twins are not necessarily dumb but they seem never to be super smart. They are practically non existent among Nobel Prize winners, top academics and business leaders, etc.

There are some twins among sports stars -  a vocation not known for brains.
 
2013-08-19 12:29:36 AM
I am the cute one. She's just my sister.
24.media.tumblr.com

Didn't some of you guys used to keep a timeclock when these two kids would be 'legal tender'?
I'm pretty sure a couple of you wanted to fark the soft spot on their heads or the holes where they drove the nails into their hands. I know it was gonna be like some kind of religious experience for a few of you.
 
2013-08-19 12:37:42 AM
TheShiningtwins.jpg
 
2013-08-19 12:42:24 AM

ultraholland: Amos Quito: "science"

as opposed to plain old science?



Smackledorfer: Amos Quito: Throughout history, humans do seem to have had an inexplicable tendency to want to believe and put their faith in a "higher power" of some sort.

These days we seem to be trending away from the traditional "sky-god" worship and leaning more toward the (often equally irrational) worship of State, "science" and academia.

Damn smart people and their science!

And society not doing exactly what I want? People are so stupid.



Quantum Apostrophe: Yes, who can forget the university crusades of the middle ages, or the horrific "science" mass killings of the 19th century?

(What the hell are you talking about?)



Science, in purity - the pursuit of fact and truth for truth's sake - is a wonderful endeavor.

But this creature is rare and elusive - as "science" is highly succeptible to corruption for the sake of ego, profit and political gain, and is constantly manipulated by those we entrust - the bought-and-sold "Scientific Priest Class" to hoodwink and manipulate the befuddled rabble to serve nefarious agendas.

Of course the "soft" sciences are particularly vulnerable.

Does that help?

Or am I addressing "True Believers" here?
 
2013-08-19 12:45:24 AM

Dahnkster: I am the cute one. She's just my sister.
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x657]

Didn't some of you guys used to keep a timeclock when these two kids would be 'legal tender'?
I'm pretty sure a couple of you wanted to fark the soft spot on their heads or the holes where they drove the nails into their hands. I know it was gonna be like some kind of religious experience for a few of you.


In your obsession you got that picture confused with this one, though they do look similar.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-19 12:47:51 AM
fookshow.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-19 12:49:47 AM
www.myselfanand.com
Someone needs to recognize the seriousness of this situation.
 
2013-08-19 12:50:23 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Amos Quito: These days we seem to be trending away from the traditional "sky-god" worship and leaning more toward the (often equally irrational) worship of State, "science" and academia.

Yes, who can forget the university crusades of the middle ages, or the horrific "science" mass killings of the 19th century?

(What the hell are you talking about?)


I believe its known as "sciencide"
 
2013-08-19 12:56:07 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com
2.bp.blogspot.com
4.bp.blogspot.com
3.bp.blogspot.com
/Back on track
//hot as twin hotties
 
2013-08-19 12:57:31 AM

Amos Quito: "Scientific Priest Class"


farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-08-19 01:02:03 AM
www.kanaeentani.co.uk
"We left some Gideon Bibles in your room, Danny."
 
2013-08-19 01:02:36 AM
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www.dietdiet.com
atomicyeti.files.wordpress.com
brosome.com
www.pxleyes.com
 
2013-08-19 01:03:59 AM

Ed Grubermann: Amos Quito: "Scientific Priest Class"

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 250x272]



Found a true believer here, folks!


Have a look at the history of your object of worship, GRÜBY.

See anything that was once widely accepted - even applauded - that is now shunned?

Think that won't happen again?
 
2013-08-19 01:13:34 AM
baddestbroads.com
There was a time on FARK that this was a sponsorable offense!
 
2013-08-19 01:15:28 AM

Amos Quito: Science, in purity - the pursuit of fact and truth for truth's sake - is a wonderful endeavor.

But this creature is rare and elusive - as "science" is highly succeptible to corruption for the sake of ego, profit and political gain, and is constantly manipulated by those we entrust - the bought-and-sold "Scientific Priest Class" to hoodwink and manipulate the befuddled rabble to serve nefarious agendas.

Of course the "soft" sciences are particularly vulnerable.

Does that help?

Or am I addressing "True Believers" here?


I suppose that might be a plausible characterization of science, assuming you've never read a scientific journal and are already predisposed to epistemological relativism. Otherwise...

Yeah, no. The vast majority of science is soul-crushingly routine, technically-oriented, and wildly uninteresting to anybody but the usually small number of colleagues working on the same problems. Maybe that reality doesn't match the glamor that a phrase like "truth for truth's sake" would imply. But, the correctness and verifiability of one's work isn't exactly an incidental concern of the average scientist in the field.

If it were, science probably wouldn't...you know, actually work all that well.
 
2013-08-19 01:19:37 AM

HairBolus: n your obsession you got that picture confused with this one, though they do look similar.


24.media.tumblr.com i.chzbgr.com29.media.tumblr.com


i621.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-19 01:21:29 AM
Well, if the scientific method isn't infallible, we have no choice but to fall back on ancient creation myths and their immutable dogma. Now to decide which one is the correct one!
 
2013-08-19 01:31:13 AM
Twins are creepy. Yeah I've said it. They are like an alien doppelganger abduction plot that never went through.
 
2013-08-19 01:32:03 AM
I don't see why this would be controversial.  Plenty of heritable traits (e.g. disposition, intelligence) have a modest correlation with level of religious belief.

Or is this because we're not supposed to acknowledge that some life outcomes are partially genetically pre-determined?
 
2013-08-19 01:36:47 AM
Do identical cousins count?

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-19 01:38:19 AM
www.popcrunch.com
/meh
 
2013-08-19 01:41:36 AM
www.buzzinn.net
 
2013-08-19 01:41:47 AM

Captain Dan: I don't see why this would be controversial.  Plenty of heritable traits (e.g. disposition, intelligence) have a modest correlation with level of religious belief.

Or is this because we're not supposed to acknowledge that some life outcomes are partially genetically pre-determined?


It's because a phrase like, "faith gene," conveys no such subtlety of understanding.

Actually, that sort of illiterate bullshiat tends to get in the way.
 
2013-08-19 01:46:59 AM
www.morethings.com
cdn2.maxim.com yeeeah.com
secretsocietynyc.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-19 01:53:43 AM

Bumblefark: Amos Quito: Science, in purity - the pursuit of fact and truth for truth's sake - is a wonderful endeavor.

But this creature is rare and elusive - as "science" is highly succeptible to corruption for the sake of ego, profit and political gain, and is constantly manipulated by those we entrust - the bought-and-sold "Scientific Priest Class" to hoodwink and manipulate the befuddled rabble to serve nefarious agendas.

Of course the "soft" sciences are particularly vulnerable.

Does that help?

Or am I addressing "True Believers" here?

I suppose that might be a plausible characterization of science, assuming you've never read a scientific journal and are already predisposed to epistemological relativism. Otherwise...

Yeah, no. The vast majority of science is soul-crushingly routine, technically-oriented, and wildly uninteresting to anybody but the usually small number of colleagues working on the same problems. Maybe that reality doesn't match the glamor that a phrase like "truth for truth's sake" would imply. But, the correctness and verifiability of one's work isn't exactly an incidental concern of the average scientist in the field.

If it were, science probably wouldn't...you know, actually work all that well.



Unfortunately it often doesn't - you know - work all that well, especially in the "soft sciences", as I emphasized above.

For example, anyone with access to a large rock can easily demonstrate the action of gravity to a student in possession of a toe. That's "hard science".

But the fields of psychiatry, psychology, sociology, economics, pharmacology, etc. are much more subjective in nature, and therefor subject to corruption via selective data inclusion and/or interpretation.

Fro example, I read an excellent article on a study wherein SSRI antidepressants (Prozac) were being compared to newer classes of AD's. A placebo arm was included in the study.

The placebo outperformed BOTH the SSRI's and the new drugs.

The google-fu fails at the moment, so this will have to suffice.

No offense, chum. I'm sure your work is impeccable, but not all "science" is as trustworthy - ego, politics and ca$h have their influence.

As for the "science" of economics....

i1121.photobucket.com

You believe that, right?
 
2013-08-19 02:05:09 AM

Amos Quito: Bumblefark: Amos Quito: Science, in purity - the pursuit of fact and truth for truth's sake - is a wonderful endeavor.

But this creature is rare and elusive - as "science" is highly succeptible to corruption for the sake of ego, profit and political gain, and is constantly manipulated by those we entrust - the bought-and-sold "Scientific Priest Class" to hoodwink and manipulate the befuddled rabble to serve nefarious agendas.

Of course the "soft" sciences are particularly vulnerable.

Does that help?

Or am I addressing "True Believers" here?

I suppose that might be a plausible characterization of science, assuming you've never read a scientific journal and are already predisposed to epistemological relativism. Otherwise...

Yeah, no. The vast majority of science is soul-crushingly routine, technically-oriented, and wildly uninteresting to anybody but the usually small number of colleagues working on the same problems. Maybe that reality doesn't match the glamor that a phrase like "truth for truth's sake" would imply. But, the correctness and verifiability of one's work isn't exactly an incidental concern of the average scientist in the field.

If it were, science probably wouldn't...you know, actually work all that well.


Unfortunately it often doesn't - you know - work all that well, especially in the "soft sciences", as I emphasized above.

For example, anyone with access to a large rock can easily demonstrate the action of gravity to a student in possession of a toe. That's "hard science".

But the fields of psychiatry, psychology, sociology, economics, pharmacology, etc. are much more subjective in nature, and therefor subject to corruption via selective data inclusion and/or interpretation.

Fro example, I read an excellent article on a study wherein SSRI antidepressants (Prozac) were being compared to newer classes of AD's. A placebo arm was included in the study.

The placebo outperformed BOTH the SSRI's and the new drugs.

The google-fu fails at the mom ...


You're right. Those goal-posts do look better over there.

But, fine, let's make the relative efficacy of the human sciences. Are you are at least vaguely aware of the self-defeating irony of quoting scientific research to make your point?
 
2013-08-19 02:08:07 AM

Gordon Bennett: Do identical cousins count?


I always wanted to fark Patti. Not only did Patti like to rock 'n' roll, but a hot dog made her lose control.
 
2013-08-19 02:08:12 AM

Amos Quito: Ed Grubermann: Amos Quito: "Scientific Priest Class"

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 250x272]

Found a true believer here, folks!
Have a look at the history of your object of worship, GRÜBY.


I don't worship anything or anyone. Science has not replaced religion in my life. It's really too bad your mind is too small to comprehend that fact.
 
2013-08-19 02:08:51 AM

Bumblefark: But, fine, let's make the relative efficacy of the human sciences. Are you are at least vaguely aware of the self-defeating irony of quoting scientific research to make your point?


"Let's make this about", that should read.

/Meh. Been drinkin'.
 
2013-08-19 02:08:51 AM

Amos Quito: Bumblefark: Amos Quito: Science, in purity - the pursuit of fact and truth for truth's sake - is a wonderful endeavor.

But this creature is rare and elusive - as "science" is highly succeptible to corruption for the sake of ego, profit and political gain, and is constantly manipulated by those we entrust - the bought-and-sold "Scientific Priest Class" to hoodwink and manipulate the befuddled rabble to serve nefarious agendas.

Of course the "soft" sciences are particularly vulnerable.

Does that help?

Or am I addressing "True Believers" here?

I suppose that might be a plausible characterization of science, assuming you've never read a scientific journal and are already predisposed to epistemological relativism. Otherwise...

Yeah, no. The vast majority of science is soul-crushingly routine, technically-oriented, and wildly uninteresting to anybody but the usually small number of colleagues working on the same problems. Maybe that reality doesn't match the glamor that a phrase like "truth for truth's sake" would imply. But, the correctness and verifiability of one's work isn't exactly an incidental concern of the average scientist in the field.

If it were, science probably wouldn't...you know, actually work all that well.


Unfortunately it often doesn't - you know - work all that well, especially in the "soft sciences", as I emphasized above.

For example, anyone with access to a large rock can easily demonstrate the action of gravity to a student in possession of a toe. That's "hard science".

But the fields of psychiatry, psychology, sociology, economics, pharmacology, etc. are much more subjective in nature, and therefor subject to corruption via selective data inclusion and/or interpretation.

Fro example, I read an excellent article on a study wherein SSRI antidepressants (Prozac) were being compared to newer classes of AD's. A placebo arm was included in the study.

The placebo outperformed BOTH the SSRI's and the new drugs.

The google-fu fails at the moment, so this will have to suffice.

No offense, chum. I'm sure your work is impeccable, but not all "science" is as trustworthy - ego, politics and ca$h have their influence.

As for the "science" of economics....



You believe that, right?


Did you forget to list chemistry, biology, physics, astrophysics, genetics, and so on? Because those fields aren't "hard science" they are science period. Sociology? Economics? Did the definition of science suddenly take on this broad term I'm not aware of?
 
2013-08-19 02:14:33 AM
Hilarious because when they get to heaven God makes them arena fight for their one shared soul.
 
2013-08-19 02:14:55 AM
CTRL-F, NSFW [ENTER]

I haz a sad
 
2013-08-19 02:15:05 AM

Gone to Plaid: Did you forget to list chemistry, biology, physics, astrophysics, genetics, and so on? Because those fields aren't "hard science" they are science period. Sociology? Economics? Did the definition of science suddenly take on this broad term I'm not aware of?


150 years ago is "suddenly"?
 
2013-08-19 02:27:21 AM

Bumblefark: But, fine, let's make the relative efficacy of the human sciences. Are you are at least vaguely aware of the self-defeating irony of quoting scientific research to make your point?



That IS the point, friend.

People have a tendency to "worship", to blindly place their faith in a "higher power" to form the basis life-changing decisions - personally, and on a societal level.

Back in the day, the Pope said the Earth was the center of the universe - anyone who disagreed was ridiculed - or worse.

Yesterday, coffee was "good for you", today, it is the devil incarnate. Tomorrow???

People are gullible SOB's. They seek to "believe", and I have been speaking of the tendency in human nature of blindly placing trust in a "higher authority", whether it be to a "sky god" and his Priest Class, a politician and his minions, or "science" and its "priest class".

Go back and read my initial offering in this thread.

If you don't, the sun will not rise in the morning, and the moon will crash to Earth, killing us all.

Then cometh the Judgement.

Amen.
 
2013-08-19 02:33:03 AM
 
2013-08-19 02:39:02 AM

Dahnkster: Gordon Bennett: Do identical cousins count?

I always wanted to fark Patti. Not only did Patti like to rock 'n' roll, but a hot dog made her lose control.


See, that's why I'd fark Cathy instead. Even though she's supposed to be Scottish but sounds Dutch to me. Because we're never quite told what losing control would be. On one hand she might be like a squirming orgasmic wildcat in bed, on the other she might try to pop open a champagne bottle up your arse. I'm not sure if I could take that chance.
 
2013-08-19 02:44:10 AM

ultraholland: Quantum Apostrophe: Yes, who can forget the university crusades of the middle ages, or the horrific "science" mass killings of the 19th century?

oh, and remember when "science" placed Galileo under life-long house arrest for heresy?


Or when science rioted over a cartoon of its prophet?
 
2013-08-19 03:12:04 AM
I'm a twin.
I'm an atheist.
I'm also male so that doesn't help the spirit of this thread any.

/carry on.
 
2013-08-19 03:30:29 AM

fusillade762: ultraholland: Quantum Apostrophe: Yes, who can forget the university crusades of the middle ages, or the horrific "science" mass killings of the 19th century?

oh, and remember when "science" placed Galileo under life-long house arrest for heresy?

Or when science rioted over a cartoon of its prophet?


If I wasn't so tired and about to go to bed I would so put a bomb turban on Einstein.  Also, my photoshop skills suck.
 
2013-08-19 04:56:35 AM

Ed Grubermann: Oldiron_79: fusillade762: Hopefully we can identify this gene and eradicate it.

You know who Else liked eliminating those whose genes he disliked?

Me, Ed Grubermann!


Ed Grubermann, you have failed to grasp the lessons of Twin Kwon Leap. Approach so that you might learn.
 
2013-08-19 05:01:17 AM
I was under the impression that we were already well aware of the genetic links to religion? I've read about it plenty, in books from many decades ago. This seems like old news to me.
 
2013-08-19 05:03:56 AM
tenletter.files.wordpress.com

TWINS, Basil.
 
2013-08-19 05:41:03 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Amos Quito: These days we seem to be trending away from the traditional "sky-god" worship and leaning more toward the (often equally irrational) worship of State, "science" and academia.

Yes, who can forget the university crusades of the middle ages, or the horrific "science" mass killings of the 19th century?

(What the hell are you talking about?)


When you say "science" mass killings you mean hiroshima and nagasaki right?
 
2013-08-19 06:45:20 AM

zock: When you say "science" mass killings you mean hiroshima and nagasaki right?


How were those science-related?  You realize the experiments leading to the bombs still haven't been published, right?  That's essentially the opposite of science.
 
2013-08-19 07:58:42 AM

Jim_Callahan: zock: When you say "science" mass killings you mean hiroshima and nagasaki right?

How were those science-related?  You realize the experiments leading to the bombs still haven't been published, right?  That's essentially the opposite of science.


He's talking about post destruction. Hiroshima and Nagasaki have lead to a much greater understanding of ionizing radiation and it's effects. The contributions of the studies to the field of radiography and medicine have been huge.

/radiographer
 
2013-08-19 08:05:24 AM
I guess this is the wrong place to point out that twins find the sexual fascination that singletons have with the
concept of a threesome with a set of twins repugnant.

/Incest is not hot, people.
 
2013-08-19 08:26:55 AM

DjangoStonereaver: I guess this is the wrong place to point out that twins find the sexual fascination that singletons have with the
concept of a threesome with a set of twins repugnant.

/Incest is not hot, people.


No, but it is the best.
 
2013-08-19 08:54:32 AM

Captain Dan: I don't see why this would be controversial.  Plenty of heritable traits (e.g. disposition, intelligence) have a modest correlation with level of religious belief.

Or is this because we're not supposed to acknowledge that some life outcomes are partially genetically pre-determined?



Nope, it's because the opposite has been claimed.  Like here and here and here.
 
2013-08-19 09:00:21 AM
many thanks, !


/Go Twins!
 
2013-08-19 10:18:48 AM
gotta love FARK.  in this corner we have people discussing merits of a variety of sciences, and in this corner over here we have a stand up gentleman doing outstanding work at filling the thread with hot twins.
 
2013-08-19 10:20:27 AM
People who are into the whole "hooking up with twins" thing appear to be OK with incest, and that's just farking creepy.
 
2013-08-19 10:21:28 AM
What I've learned in this thread: Amos Q can't tell the difference between science and how the media reports science.
www.phdcomics.com
 
2013-08-19 10:21:54 AM
You're all going to hell. This is what all those twins used to look like:

i.imgur.com

/shakes fist
 
2013-08-19 10:23:20 AM

OgreMagi: CTRL-F, NSFW [ENTER]

I haz a sad


ME TOO
 
2013-08-19 10:26:33 AM

I created this alt just for this thread: What I've learned in this thread: Amos Q can't tell the difference between science and how the media reports science.
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It's true, your Honor.
 
2013-08-19 10:32:48 AM
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2013-08-19 10:39:24 AM

jayhawk88: You're all going to hell. This is what all those twins used to look like:

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/shakes fist


I don't understand this point. Everyone who's ever had sex with anyone used to be a baby at some time. What the hell.

If it's supposed to be funny I don't get that either.
 
2013-08-19 11:01:18 AM

Amos Quito: Ed Grubermann: Amos Quito: "Scientific Priest Class"

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Found a true believer here, folks!


Have a look at the history of your object of worship, GRÜBY.

See anything that was once widely accepted - even applauded - that is now shunned?

Think that won't happen again?


So...you're just a dumb troll then?
 
2013-08-19 11:12:02 AM

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Awww hell, its about time
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2013-08-19 11:14:18 AM

jayhawk88: You're all going to hell. This is what all those twins used to look like:

[i.imgur.com image 850x566]

/shakes fist



So all we have to do is wait? Excellent.
 
2013-08-19 11:27:24 AM

panfried: [www.popcrunch.com image 450x315]
/meh


I wish I could "Smart" this a thousand times.
 
2013-08-19 11:32:25 AM

jayhawk88: You're all going to hell. This is what all those twins used to look like:



I should keep that picture so I don't have to draw as many pictures of unicorns.
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2013-08-19 11:50:23 AM

Amos Quito: Throughout history, humans do seem to have had an inexplicable tendency to want to believe and put their faith in a "higher power" of some sort. These days we seem to be trending away from the traditional "sky-god" worship and leaning more toward the (often equally irrational) worship of State, "science" and academia.


Leaving aside several implicit assumptions of the loaded term "worship", I think it's tied to differential attitudes on authority, on what "authority" is, and (at a really fundamental abstract level) how lookup tables can be faster than algorithms in some scenarios (the difficulty being in the non-algorithmic step of picking which lookup table to use).

Perhaps not-so-coincidentally, Altemeyer's RWA scale (an authoritarianism measure, successor to Adorno's "F scale") correlates at approximately the same 50% heritability as religiosity.

Amos Quito: But this creature is rare and elusive - as "science" is highly succeptible to corruption for the sake of ego, profit and political gain, and is constantly manipulated by those we entrust - the bought-and-sold "Scientific Priest Class" to hoodwink and manipulate the befuddled rabble to serve nefarious agendas.


Seeming less so than most other forms of human endeavor, however.

Amos Quito: The placebo outperformed BOTH the SSRI's and the new drugs.
The google-fu fails at the moment, so this will have to suffice.


...which includes a link to the technical article -- (doi:10.1001/jama.2009.1943) -- which includes in the abstract (emphasis added) "The magnitude of benefit of antidepressant medication compared with placebo increases with severity of depression symptoms and may be minimal or nonexistent, on average, in patients with mild or moderate symptoms. For patients with very severe depression, the benefit of medications over placebo is substantial."

The problem of isn't so much in the science, as in the second-hand reports of the science (EG: the link you used) by popular press media -- which is far more "highly susceptible to corruption for the sake of ego, profit and political gain, and constantly manipulated".

I created this alt just for this thread: What I've learned in this thread: Amos Q can't tell the difference between science and how the media reports science.


...so, I'm slow to post.
 
2013-08-19 12:15:20 PM
Nice pwnage abb3w.
 
2013-08-19 06:39:59 PM

abb3w: Amos Quito: Throughout history, humans do seem to have had an inexplicable tendency to want to believe and put their faith in a "higher power" of some sort. These days we seem to be trending away from the traditional "sky-god" worship and leaning more toward the (often equally irrational) worship of State, "science" and academia.

Leaving aside several implicit assumptions of the loaded term "worship", I think it's tied to differential attitudes on authority, on what "authority" is, and (at a really fundamental abstract level) how lookup tables can be faster than algorithms in some scenarios (the difficulty being in the non-algorithmic step of picking which lookup table to use).

Perhaps not-so-coincidentally, Altemeyer's RWA scale (an authoritarianism measure, successor to Adorno's "F scale") correlates at approximately the same 50% heritability as religiosity.



So basically you're agreeing with me - that humans tend to have an inherent inclination to "believe" (or, defer to a higher authority, if you prefer), and apparently this tendency seems to be holding true, though the "authority" seems to be shifting from religion to other authorities such as the State, academia or "science".

Right?

Amos Quito: But this creature [PURE SCIENCE] is rare and elusive - as "science" is highly succeptible to corruption for the sake of ego, profit and political gain, and is constantly manipulated by those we entrust - the bought-and-sold "Scientific Priest Class" to hoodwink and manipulate the befuddled rabble to serve nefarious agendas.


abb3w: Seeming less so than most other forms of human endeavor, however.


Maybe so, maybe no. As I said, it depends on the particular field of "science". See the examples I give below.

Oh, and you're not ASS-U-MING that I am defending religion, are you? Because that would be silly.


abb3w: The problem of isn't so much in the science, as in the second-hand reports of the science (EG: the link you used) by popular press media -- which is far more "highly susceptible to corruption for the sake of ego, profit and political gain, and constantly manipulated".


Where do you think most people get their information on "science"? Do you think John and Jane Doe read peer-reviewed articles and studies? Or do they rely on articles such as the one to which I linked (in a rush - unable to locate the one I had in mind)?

So apparently you are defending "science" as pure and "scientists" as incorruptible, right? It's only the media hacks who misread and manipulate the data that are to blame?

First, as applied to my original point - it doesn't matter. Where once people allowed themselves to be manipulated by the sky-god priests, they now defer to the authority of science and academia - but they remain vulnerable to these manipulations in any case, do they not?

Now, as to the sanctity of "science":

Drug Companies Cook Books, Misleading Doctors

"Of 33 new drugs approved by the Food and Drug Administration in 2001 and 2002, one-fifth of supporting clinical trials were not published in medical journals, according to a new study. And those results that were published were often more positive than what companies presented to the FDA in their applications. As a result, potentially unreliable data is being used to promote drugs on which billions of dollars and thousands of lives may ride.
"Some studies aren't published at all. Then, when they are, there are little changes that make the papers look more favorable towards the product," said review co-author Lisa Bero, a University of California, San Francisco health policy expert.

Court Case: How One Drug Company "Buried" Evidence Showing Its Drug Caused Diabetes

The data is coming out ten years after the malfeasance described here which resulted in the information being hidden from doctors that the expensive new drug, Seroquel, was less effective than older, cheaper drugs, and that there was solid evidence that it caused both weight gain and diabetes.

As many of you have learned the hard way, the diabetes that the atypical psychotic drugs like Seroquel causes may be irreversible. It is probably not caused by the weight gain experienced in people who take these drugs, as the story suggests. Instead, as is so often the case, the weight gain probably occurs after it breaks something that causes blood sugars to rise high enough to increase insulin resistance.

What's really tragic here is that people took Seroquel because the company hid the data suggesting it was less effective than halperidol, an older drugs whose problems were well understood.

But my reason for highlighting this study is not just because of what it shows us about how Seroquel was marketed, but because it alerts you, once again, to the techniques that have been used by all the drug companies selling expensive new drugs and makes you aware of how far they are willing to go to convince doctors to prescribe these new drugs to you even when they have internal documents warning that these drugs may not be effective and that they may do patients harm.

[SCIENCE, PEOPLE!]

Effect of antidepressants exaggerated due to buried data

The New England Journal of Medicine has just published a study that found the effectiveness of 12 of the most popular antidepressants has been exaggerated because pharmaceutical companies have been 'hiding' data from negative drug trials.

Known as the 'file drawer effect', it involves submitting only positive results to be published in scientific journals.

[...]

They then compared the results from all the trials, to just the trials that had been published in the medical literature.

The findings are quite shocking:

A total of 37 studies viewed by the FDA as having positive results were published; 1 study viewed as positive was not published.

Studies viewed by the FDA as having negative or questionable results were, with 3 exceptions, either not published (22 studies) or published in a way that, in our opinion, conveyed a positive outcome (11 studies).

According to the published literature, it appeared that 94% of the trials conducted were positive. By contrast, the FDA analysis showed that 51% were positive.

[...]

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[SCIENCE, PEOPLE!]

As to the FDA, the agency has a literal revolving door with Big Rx, where "good" administrators move into high paying gigs with the Drug Giants - and the same goes with defense contractors, and virtually every other realm of industry that has "oversight".

So NOW you're going to scream that it isn't the SCIENCE that is faulty, but the people, the corporations and the government agencies, RIGHT? Well, that is EXACTLY what I have been saying from the outset, isn't it?

But that does NOT detract from my original point, that that humans tend to have an inherent inclination to "believe" (or, defer to a higher authority, if you prefer), and apparently this tendency seems to be holding true, though the "authority" seems to be shifting from religion to other authorities such as the State, academia or "science".

Now, what was your big point again?


Smackledorfer: Nice pwnage abb3w.


LULZ!

As I said above - "science" is highly succeptible to corruption for the sake of ego, profit and political gain, and is constantly manipulated by those we entrust - the bought-and-sold "Scientific Priest Class" to hoodwink and manipulate the befuddled rabble to serve nefarious agendas."

:-)
 
2013-08-19 06:56:12 PM

Amos Quito: But this creature is rare and elusive - as "science" is highly succeptible to corruption for the sake of ego, profit and political gain, and is constantly manipulated by those we entrust - the bought-and-sold "Scientific Priest Class" to hoodwink and manipulate the befuddled rabble to serve nefarious agendas.


First of all, science isn't a thing, it is a process. It is a methodology for understanding the Universe and its faculties.

Secondly, while that process is subjected to human faults and biases, it is also self-correcting via the mechanism known as: "peer review".

Whoever tries to hi-jack scientific processes for personal agendas will eventually have that science challenged and thrown out on the basis that it flies in the face of reality. Science implores constant testing and retesting of its assertions to ensure the highest probabilistic outcome. And unlike religion, science is not dogma -- it is not interested in what the conclusions are, only that the methods used to reach them fit the evidence. The only thing that can dispute science is science.

If you can think of a better process for understanding the natural world and its properties, I'd love to hear it.
 
2013-08-19 07:02:10 PM
I will say this for Amos, he's amazingly good at turning out a lot of content from very little knowledge.  He's a perpetual motion machine of ignorance.
 
2013-08-19 07:07:03 PM

Amos Quito: Maybe so, maybe no.


Question: What field of human endeavor, pray tell, would you say is NOT "highly succeptible to corruption for the sake of ego, profit and political gain." And if none exist, then what field would you say is less susceptible than science?
 
2013-08-19 07:13:42 PM

Amos Quito: Where do you think most people get their information on "science"? Do you think John and Jane Doe read peer-reviewed articles and studies? Or do they rely on articles such as the one to which I linked (in a rush - unable to locate the one I had in mind)?


No, but there's a reason for that.

(no, watch the whole thing)

Yes, the world is too complex and too sophisticated for everyone to really understand everything, and we must put our trust in the technocrats who study these fields (no, NOT belief. Trust. There is a difference). That doesn't mean the technocrats can lie and swindle their way to personal power and profit because their discoveries are still reliant on real world application, and if they lie, then those applications won't work. They'll be outed as frauds, and they quite frequently are.

That's a far better barometer for an honest system than any theology.
 
2013-08-19 07:24:37 PM

Amos Quito: [SCIENCE, PEOPLE!]


First of all, science didn't do that, capitalism did.

Secondly, the fact that these scandals were uncovered and overturned is because the science didn't work. The false data did not correspond with reality. And this happens all the time.

Science is wrong more often than it is right. In fact, most of the time it is wrong. It is not a straight line path to truth. It is blind, often stumbling erratically, and tripping over itself constantly until it finds the correct answers (and usually they're not very accurate until refined generations later). Phlogiston, physiognomy, spontaneous generation, lamarckism, luminiferous aether, miasma, contact electrification, caloric theory, humorism and geocentrism were all considered valid scientific theories (ie: bodies of knowledge supported by known facts) until they were overturned, respectively, by oxidation and combustion, neuroscience, biogenesis, evolution, special relativity and quantum mechanics, germ theory, electrochemistry, thermodynamics, biology and heliocentrism as new evidence was uncovered and new facts came to light.

Everything science explains is a "best guess" scenario. It doesn't provide truth, it only studies facts. When someone tries to distort scientific findings for personal gain, the self-correcting mechanism of scientific methodology will out them eventually. You can not lie to reality and get away with it.
 
2013-08-19 07:33:36 PM

jso2897: I created this alt just for this thread: What I've learned in this thread: Amos Q can't tell the difference between science and how the media reports science.
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It's true, your Honor.


This man has no dick?
 
2013-08-19 08:50:47 PM
Ishkur:  I see you here, furiously defending science and comparing it to theology AS IF I had attacked the the former and promoted the latter.

But as I didn't even *hint* at such a suggestion.I must assume that your reaction is entirely reflexive. You're tilting at windmills, sir. If you would review my first offering in this thread, and then my clarification of that statement (intended to calm the accusations of heresy) you would see that, but I fear you are too preoccupied with the windmills.

The point that I had hoped to express was the inherent tendency for humans to defer to authority, and that historically, said authority was largely religious based. I hoped to further to point out that, while deference to religion is waning, the human tendency toward kowtowing to authoritarian influence has not, rather, the objects and offices of veneration have merely shifted.

While have the highest regard for the scientific process, I hold the highest disdain for those who would usurp and pervert that process for the sake of ego, political, or financial gain - the latter being exemplified in the cites I provided above.

The drug Vioxx was put on the market thanks to the maker and their scientists providing intentionally misleading data - and as you said, the process self-corrected - the drug WAS pulled in 2004, but not before it KILLED 27,000 people - not because science was "wrong", but because it was intentionally perverted for the sake of greed.

And similar pseudo-scientific bullshiat is used to manipulate the masses in the political arena, is it not? I point to the "global warming" debates as an example. Pick a side.

I thank you an the other knee-jerkers who redsponded to my posts with such spittle spewing spirit in defense of that which was not being attacked, as you effectively illustrated this social auto-immune disorder - Crusaders of the Modern Faith.
 
2013-08-19 09:25:11 PM
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2013-08-19 10:13:07 PM

Amos Quito: I see you here, furiously defending science and comparing it to theology


Half your posts are lame "science is a religion" rhetoric. If you're complaining about being misunderstood, the problem is yours. You seem to distrust science. Until you come up with a better system, it's the best one we have for understanding what's going on.

Amos Quito: The point that I had hoped to express was the inherent tendency for humans to defer to authority,


Science is not an authority, it is a process of investigative inquiry.

It is wholly dependent upon the evidence around us, irrespective of what anyone says or thinks. The evidence stands and falls on its own merits, not because someone says it does, and that is something quintessentially unique about science.

Amos Quito: I hold the highest disdain for those who would usurp and pervert that process for the sake of ego, political, or financial gain - the latter being exemplified in the cites I provided above.


Yes, but that is a feature -- not a bug -- of science. It proves science's vitality for it to root out and expose fraud.

Just because people are too busy, stupid and lazy to do the research themselves and they rely on hierarchical authorities to soundbite the science for them, it matters not to science.

Amos Quito: The drug Vioxx was put on the market thanks to the maker and their scientists providing intentionally misleading data - and as you said, the process self-corrected - the drug WAS pulled in 2004, but not before it KILLED 27,000 people - not because science was "wrong", but because it was intentionally perverted for the sake of greed.


As I previously explained, you're pointing fingers at the wrong culprit. Science didn't kill 27,000 people, capitalism did.

Amos Quito: as you effectively illustrated this social auto-immune disorder - Crusaders of the Modern Faith.


And this is why everyone in the thread branded you a fundy -- when you use theologically potent nonsense to acquaint our reliance on the methodology of investigative inquiry with dogma.

Protip: If you want people to stop kneejerking you, then stop saying shiat like this.
 
2013-08-19 11:15:55 PM

Ishkur: Amos Quito: I see you here, furiously defending science and comparing it to theology

Half your posts are lame "science is a religion" rhetoric. If you're complaining about being misunderstood, the problem is yours. You seem to distrust science. Until you come up with a better system, it's the best one we have for understanding what's going on.



No, I'm not "complaining about being misunderstood", you simply can't read - or you're a dick. (Scientific evidence would point to the latter)


Ishkur: Amos Quito: The point that I had hoped to express was the inherent tendency for humans to defer to authority,

Science is not an authority, it is a process of investigative inquiry.



"Science", whether real, contrived, or perverted, is frequently (and often fraudulently) used by "authority figures" (and others) as a justification for ramrodding nefarious agendas down the throats of the stupefied masses. Wouldn't you agree?

Or are you just a dick?


Ishkur: It is wholly dependent upon the evidence around us, irrespective of what anyone says or thinks. The evidence stands and falls on its own merits, not because someone says it does, and that is something quintessentially unique about science.



Irrelevant to the fact that "science" is used as a tool for manipulation? YES!

Okay, so you're just a dick.


Ishkur: Amos Quito: I hold the highest disdain for those who would usurp and pervert that process for the sake of ego, political, or financial gain - the latter being exemplified in the cites I provided above.

Yes, but that is a feature -- not a bug -- of science. It proves science's vitality for it to root out and expose fraud.

Just because people are too busy, stupid and lazy to do the research themselves and they rely on hierarchical authorities to soundbite the science for them, it matters not to science.



Again, my criticism was not of "science" per se, but of the way that science is manipulated to dupe the people and serve ulterior motives. You know this, yet you continue in your ego-driven attack.

Your dickishness is unimpeachable.


.

Ishkur: Amos Quito: The drug Vioxx was put on the market thanks to the maker and their scientists providing intentionally misleading data - and as you said, the process self-corrected - the drug WAS pulled in 2004, but not before it KILLED 27,000 people - not because science was "wrong", but because it was intentionally perverted for the sake of greed.

As I previously explained, you're pointing fingers at the wrong culprit. Science didn't kill 27,000 people, capitalism did.



No, "scientific evidence", intentionally obfuscated/misrepresented by greedy SOB's who happily sacrificed lives in the name of profits killed these people.

Are you familiar with the term "Safe and Effective"?

Well, Vioxx wasn't, and the "scientists" who signed off on it knew damn well that it wasn't.

Keep it up. Your tilting at windmills does nothing but reinforce my position - that the misrepresentation of science is used as a manipulative tool of the greedy and the power-hungry.

Dick.


Ishkur: Amos Quito: as you effectively illustrated this social auto-immune disorder - Crusaders of the Modern Faith.

And this is why everyone in the thread branded you a fundy -- when you use theologically potent nonsense to acquaint our reliance on the methodology of investigative inquiry with dogma.



A "fundie" of what stripe?

And you think that your intentional misrepresentations of my positions accomplishes what, exactly?

Please clue us in, dick.
 
2013-08-19 11:30:05 PM
Ishkur:

Regarding "dick".

You are a prime example of the "ego driven pseudo-scientist" in that, in spite of  having been carefully and meticulously corrected, you continue to belabor your "point".

Why? Because YOU INSIST ON BEING RIGHT! Evidence be damned.

Thanks for providing a fine example to illustrate my points, Ishkur.

/"Science"
//LOL
///Dick
 
2013-08-20 02:44:43 AM

Amos Quito: Ishkur:

Regarding "dick".

You are a prime example of the "ego driven pseudo-scientist" in that, in spite of  having been carefully and meticulously corrected, you continue to belabor your "point".

Why? Because YOU INSIST ON BEING RIGHT! Evidence be damned.

Thanks for providing a fine example to illustrate my points, Ishkur.

/"Science"
//LOL
///Dick


I think the only point that Ishkur was trying to make is that the science is just fine.  You are correct when you say that the appearance of science can be used as a fig leaf for shoddy or disingenuous research but pretty much every approach to looking at the universe has been abused that way, which renders your complaint meaningless.  Ishkur's arguments seemed calm and well reasoned while yours consisted largely of ad hominem attacks.  Based on that it would seem to me that Ishkur won this little debate.
 
2013-08-20 02:47:03 AM

Amos Quito: Ishkur:

Regarding "dick".

You are a prime example of the "ego driven pseudo-scientist" in that, in spite of  having been carefully and meticulously corrected, you continue to belabor your "point".

Why? Because YOU INSIST ON BEING RIGHT! Evidence be damned.

Thanks for providing a fine example to illustrate my points, Ishkur.

/"Science"
//LOL
///Dick


Ah hell, this is NO way to end a Twins thread, let me add my 2 cents worth:
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2013-08-20 11:14:13 AM

Amos Quito: So basically you're agreeing with me - that humans tend to have an inherent inclination to "believe" (or, defer to a higher authority, if you prefer), and apparently this tendency seems to be holding true, though the "authority" seems to be shifting from religion to other authorities such as the State, academia or "science".


Certainly, it's possible for other institutions to be the focus of RWA; the case of the State in the USSR being an existence demonstration, although the degree that was functionally a religious institution can be raised.

However, the tendency isn't uniform. Furthermore, the tendency is only circa 50% genetic; it's at least a third environmental, and some aspects of academia and science as cultural institutions appear to act as net moderators to the initial authoritarian tendency. While it's statistically certain there are some high-RWAs with scientists/academia as their oracular focus, they appear to exist as outliers. As such, your assertion appears to be a less-than-half truth.

Elaborating further would seem to require getting agreement on some precise terminology to discuss the nature of authority, with some tedious precursor math.

Amos Quito: Maybe so, maybe no. As I said, it depends on the particular field of "science". See the examples I give below.


For several of those, you confuse "science" and "engineering". That aside, showing that there exist examples of corruption does not suffice to show that the tendency is more or less than other fields of human endeavor.

Amos Quito: Where do you think most people get their information on "science"?


"Popular understanding of science" is not the same thing as "science", however.

Amos Quito: So apparently you are defending "science" as pure and "scientists" as incorruptible, right?


Only relatively pure/incorruptable, not absolutely; that is, the anthropological practice of science is less corruptible than most other human cultural institutions.

Amos Quito: Where once people allowed themselves to be manipulated by the sky-god priests, they now defer to the authority of science and academia - but they remain vulnerable to these manipulations in any case, do they not?


The difference in nature of the institutions leaves the degree of vulnerability reduced.

Ishkur: First of all, science isn't a thing, it is a process. It is a methodology for understanding the Universe and its faculties.


More exactly, the term "science" is used variously (and oft ambiguously) to refer to such philosophical methodology, the anthropological practice implementing it, and the body of knowledge resulting.

Ishkur: What field of human endeavor, pray tell, would you say is NOT "highly succeptible to corruption for the sake of ego, profit and political gain."


The inherent problem with any human endeavor is you're still relying on humans.

Ishkur: Science is not an authority, it is a process of investigative inquiry.


The latter does not necessarily preclude the former. However, addressing the extent that "a process of investigative inquiry" can be said to be "an authority" would require getting into that precise terminology I mentioned before.

Amos Quito: (Scientific evidence would point to the latter)


There may be a more parsimonious explanation for a broader evidence set.

JasonOfOrillia: You are correct when you say that the appearance of science can be used as a fig leaf for shoddy or disingenuous research but pretty much every approach to looking at the universe has been abused that way, which renders your complaint meaningless.


I would suggest the word "trivial" rather than "meaningless".

JasonOfOrillia: Ishkur's arguments seemed calm and well reasoned while yours consisted largely of ad hominem attacks. Based on that it would seem to me that Ishkur won this little debate.


By what basis of subjective measure does the former yield the latter?
 
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