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(Guardian)   The War on Journalism continues as Glenn Greenwald's partner detained at London Heathrow on suspicions of terrorism   (theguardian.com) divider line 308
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2013-08-18 05:27:46 PM
Does he have Miranda rights?
 
2013-08-18 05:33:19 PM
Maybe someone read the Laura Poitris' story that you helped with about Snowden.
 
2013-08-18 05:49:44 PM
Better stay away from flying in small aircraft for a while.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-18 05:50:57 PM
So it's a conspiracy?!

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-08-18 06:35:14 PM
This is truly appalling. Slashdot is also covering this idiocy.

Green this, people.
 
2013-08-18 06:40:40 PM
This is farked up.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-18 06:52:17 PM

gaslight: This is truly appalling. Slashdot is also covering this idiocy.

Green this, people.


If you are an accessory to a crime then anyone who is associated with you should have total immunity to the normal inspection that all people go through at the border!

Awake sheeples!
 
2013-08-18 06:54:14 PM

gilgigamesh: Better stay away from flying in small aircraft for a while.


Better just make it all aircraft.
 
2013-08-18 06:56:29 PM

vpb: gaslight: This is truly appalling. Slashdot is also covering this idiocy.

Green this, people.

If you are an accessory to a crime then anyone who is associated with you should have total immunity to the normal inspection that all people go through at the border!

Awake sheeples!


If you think a nine hour detention and having all of your electronics confiscated is normal, you are insane.
 
2013-08-18 06:56:35 PM
I see our resident brown shirt has arrived to defend our expanding authoritarianism.
 
2013-08-18 06:59:13 PM
That is totally farked up.
 
2013-08-18 07:02:23 PM
I was on the fence about Snowden. I thought that some of what he revealed might be needlessly damaging to the US attempts to prevent attacks. But the more that comes out, particularly the latest about all the 'accidental' incidents of illegal surveillance, leads me to think he is truly a hero, and has done us all a huge service.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-18 07:05:48 PM
ginandbacon:

Awake sheeples!

If you think a nine hour detention and having all of your electronics confiscated is normal, you are insane.


Really?  I would think that is pretty typical of people who are connected with espionage.  I don't know about the UK but here in the US Customs can keep your electronics for 30 days just to see if it has child porn on it.

I don't see any problem with checking the possessions someone known to associate with an accessory to a crime.
 
2013-08-18 07:07:47 PM
vpb:
If you are an accessory to a crime then anyone who is associated with you should have total immunity to the normal inspection that all people go through at the border!

Except that he's not an accessory to a crime and neither is Greenwald.
 
2013-08-18 07:08:16 PM

vpb: ginandbacon:

Awake sheeples!

If you think a nine hour detention and having all of your electronics confiscated is normal, you are insane.

Really?  I would think that is pretty typical of people who are connected with espionage.  I don't know about the UK but here in the US Customs can keep your electronics for 30 days just to see if it has child porn on it.

I don't see any problem with checking the possessions someone known to associate with an accessory to a crime.


According to official figures, most examinations last under an hour, and only one in 2,000 people detained are kept for more than six hours.
 
2013-08-18 07:08:57 PM

gaslight: vpb:
If you are an accessory to a crime then anyone who is associated with you should have total immunity to the normal inspection that all people go through at the border!

Except that he's not an accessory to a crime and neither is Greenwald.


And I was just about to say that. Thank you.
 
2013-08-18 07:10:39 PM

vpb: ginandbacon:

Awake sheeples!

If you think a nine hour detention and having all of your electronics confiscated is normal, you are insane.

Really?  I would think that is pretty typical of people who are connected with espionage.  I don't know about the UK but here in the US Customs can keep your electronics for 30 days just to see if it has child porn on it.

I don't see any problem with checking the possessions someone known to associate with an accessory to a crime.


Get a warrant, fascist.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-18 07:11:25 PM
ginandbacon:
I don't see any problem with checking the possessions someone known to associate with an accessory to a crime.

According to official figures, most examinations last under an hour, and only one in 2,000 people detained are kept for more than six hours.


Are those figures for everyone or people known to be associated with espionage?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-18 07:13:48 PM
gaslight:

Except that he's not an accessory to a crime and neither is Greenwald.

Except that Greenwald is, or is espionage not a crime?
 
2013-08-18 07:15:25 PM

vpb: gaslight:

Except that he's not an accessory to a crime and neither is Greenwald.

Except that Greenwald is, or is espionage not a crime?


Has Greenwald been charged with a crime?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-18 07:16:33 PM
Nabb1:

I don't see any problem with checking the possessions someone known to associate with an accessory to a crime.

Get a warrant, fascist.


For a border search?  Nice try genius.

You sovereign citizens are really genius heroes aren't you?
 
2013-08-18 07:17:19 PM

vpb: gaslight:

Except that he's not an accessory to a crime and neither is Greenwald.

Except that Greenwald is, or is espionage not a crime?


He's a journalist. Doing his job. That's not espionage. See Shield Laws. Does Watergate ring any bells?
 
2013-08-18 07:18:25 PM

vpb: gaslight:

Except that he's not an accessory to a crime and neither is Greenwald.

Except that Greenwald is, or is espionage not a crime?


Not a big fan of the free press, are we?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-18 07:21:22 PM
violentsalvation:
Has Greenwald been charged with a crime?

Yet?  I don't know.  but he has certainly received information obtained through criminal acts, and it would certainly be reasonable to think that he and people associated with him might posses evidence relating to that criminal release of classified information.

I don't know about UK law, but there is no requirement for probable cause at the border for searching someone.  There never has been.
 
2013-08-18 07:26:58 PM

vpb: Nabb1:

I don't see any problem with checking the possessions someone known to associate with an accessory to a crime.

Get a warrant, fascist.

For a border search?  Nice try genius.

You sovereign citizens are really genius heroes aren't you?


Don't throw Wikipedia in my face as some kind of legal citation, piker. To polish your jackboots.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-18 07:30:58 PM
ThunderPelvis:
Except that Greenwald is, or is espionage not a crime?

Not a big fan of the free press, are we?


Yes, I am, but I don't think being a reporter makes you totally immune to all laws.  I have had to wait to go through Customs, if this jerk can't be bothered, then screw him.

If he had a case he could take it up in court.  Of course, the sort of people who think this clown is a whistle-blower are going to claim that the courts are controlled by "THEM".

A more reasonable person would simply admit that he doesn't have a case.

But conspiracy nuts will see a conspiracy, whether there is one or not.
 
2013-08-18 07:32:48 PM
Yeah, time to update the ole ignore list.
 
2013-08-18 07:34:45 PM

vpb: Yet?  I don't know.  but he has certainly received information obtained through criminal acts, and it would certainly be reasonable to think that he and people associated with him might posses evidence relating to that criminal release of classified information.


So...are you aware of the 1st Amendment?  Did you know that the founders considered an informed population so essential to the mechanics of democracy that it was the first thing that they included in the Bill of Rights?  Apparently you didn't.

Greenwald is *certainly* guilty of informing the American public, which is more than I can say for most "news" outlets these days.
 
2013-08-18 07:39:56 PM

vpb: I have had to wait to go through Customs, if this jerk can't be bothered, then screw him.


You had me until here.  No person with a gram of reason could conclude that 9 hours of questioning is equal to waiting 15 minutes for customs, therefore, by virtue of the fact that no on is this stupid and disingenuous, you must be trolling.  Congratulations.  8/10.
 
2013-08-18 07:42:08 PM

vpb: violentsalvation:
Has Greenwald been charged with a crime?

Yet?  I don't know.  but he has certainly received information obtained through criminal acts, and it would certainly be reasonable to think that he and people associated with him might posses evidence relating to that criminal release of classified information.

I don't know about UK law, but there is no requirement for probable cause at the border for searching someone.  There never has been.


It's been a long time since I've flown internationally but I don't remember having to clear customs in the UK for my layover. I don't know if Greenwald's partner was attempting to leave the airport, the article doesn't say.
 
2013-08-18 07:43:13 PM
VPB, let me use short words and declarative sentences.

Let's say I'm a cipher clerk and I hand you a secret document. Who has broken the law? Me, not you. I violated my oath of secrecy to which I am bound. You are under no such legal obligation*. Things need to work this way otherwise for practical purposes, journalism* and even politics would grind to a halt. This is why going after Assange makes even less sense -- he's a non-US citizen and not beholden* to US laws. Otherwise you should arrest kids in foreign countries for drinking at age 18 if your legal drinking age is 21.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-18 07:44:20 PM

ThunderPelvis: vpb: Yet?  I don't know.  but he has certainly received information obtained through criminal acts, and it would certainly be reasonable to think that he and people associated with him might posses evidence relating to that criminal release of classified information.

So...are you aware of the 1st Amendment?  Did you know that the founders considered an informed population so essential to the mechanics of democracy that it was the first thing that they included in the Bill of Rights?  Apparently you didn't.

Greenwald is *certainly* guilty of informing the American public, which is more than I can say for most "news" outlets these days.


Yes.  I also understand it, unlike you.

Sorry, but if you read the facts they don't support his headlines.

Of course, that has nothing to do with the fact that the 1st amendment doesn't give the associates of reporters blanket immunity from all laws, does it?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-18 07:47:56 PM

ThunderPelvis: vpb: I have had to wait to go through Customs, if this jerk can't be bothered, then screw him.

You had me until here.  No person with a gram of reason could conclude that 9 hours of questioning is equal to waiting 15 minutes for customs, therefore, by virtue of the fact that no on is this stupid and disingenuous, you must be trolling.  Congratulations.  8/10.


Nice try, but I don't think I have ever gone through Customs in 15 minutes at a major airport.  Not to mention that UK law apparetly allows Customs to take nine hours.

So do you have any evidence that the UK customs took longer than the maximum amount of time allowed?  If not, then the whole story is BS no?
 
2013-08-18 07:52:45 PM

vpb: ThunderPelvis: vpb: I have had to wait to go through Customs, if this jerk can't be bothered, then screw him.

You had me until here.  No person with a gram of reason could conclude that 9 hours of questioning is equal to waiting 15 minutes for customs, therefore, by virtue of the fact that no on is this stupid and disingenuous, you must be trolling.  Congratulations.  8/10.

Nice try, but I don't think I have ever gone through Customs in 15 minutes at a major airport.  Not to mention that UK law apparetly allows Customs to take nine hours.

So do you have any evidence that the UK customs took longer than the maximum amount of time allowed?  If not, then the whole story is BS no?


He was detained passing thru the UK en route to Brazil. What the hell does customs have to do with anything?
 
2013-08-18 07:56:29 PM

vpb: Nice try, but I don't think I have ever gone through Customs in 15 minutes at a major airport.  Not to mention that UK law apparetly allows Customs to take nine hours.


I don't know where you're flying, but I flew this summer and cleared customs in 2 major international airports in 2 countries in less than 15 minutes.  Waiting for my luggage took longer than customs.

So do you have any evidence that the UK customs took longer than the maximum amount of time allowed?  If not, then the whole story is BS no?

Nice try, but I'm on to you, my friend.  You're clearly a troll.  No one is this dumb, including you...this story *obviously* has legs.   Gonna have to *really* up your game for the 10/10, champ, but I think you can do it.  Those Boobiess were solid, just need to dial down the stupidity a little bit, and you're THERE.
 
2013-08-18 07:59:09 PM

ThunderPelvis: Boobiess


filterpwned!  it's been a while...
 
2013-08-18 08:02:15 PM

ThunderPelvis: Those Boobiess were solid


Whoa. See people, this is why you need to go to a licensed plastic surgeon, instead of trying to save a few bucks by going to the guy loitering behind Home Depot with a modified catheter and a tub of caulk.
 
2013-08-18 08:02:24 PM

Nabb1: I see our resident brown shirt has arrived to defend our expanding authoritarianism.


You and I agree on almost nothing. This might be the 2nd time ever.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-18 08:06:23 PM
gaslight:
Let's say I'm a cipher clerk and I hand you a secret document. Who has broken the law? Me, not you. I violated my oath of secrecy to which I am bound. You are under no such legal obligation*. Things need to work this way otherwise for practical purposes, journalism* and even politics would grind to a halt. This is why going after Assange makes even less sense -- he's a non-US citizen and not beholden* to US laws. Otherwise you should arrest kids in foreign countries for drinking at age 18 if your legal drinking age is 21.

It was the UK border authority that searched him, nothing to do with US law at all, is it?  But let's suppose it was.

OK.  So, then I cross an international border, where I am subject to search.  And the authorities decide to search me without warrant or probable cause for evidence against you, who committed a crime .  Which they don't need anyway, because I am crossing an international border and people crossing an international border are subject to search without any probable cause or anything else in most countries.

So they took as long as they could legally, but not longer?

So what?  Where's the conspiracy?

Greenwald is a clown who tries to undermine a legitimate anti-terrorist operation to further his carrier and the people who mistake him for a hero are clowns who should probably become sovereign citizens or libertarians or anarchists.  But I repeat myself.
 Basically all Greenwald has is evidence that the NSA has continued the policies laid out under the FISA act of 1978 and applied the same principals to the internet, and he has tried to misrepresent this as some new nefarious plot with hysterical headlines.


It's nothing new, it's just that the tinfoil hat crowd was ignorant of it all this time.  That and a Wenchell of a "journalist".
 
2013-08-18 08:12:59 PM
I swear, I think we've found Heinrich Himmler's grandson.
 
2013-08-18 08:18:28 PM

vpb: Nabb1:

I don't see any problem with checking the possessions someone known to associate with an accessory to a crime.

Get a warrant, fascist.

For a border search?  Nice try genius.

You sovereign citizens are really genius heroes aren't you?


Says the man who just posted a wikipedia page on US law in a thread about a guy detained by British cops.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-18 08:26:21 PM
Karac:

Says the man who just posted a wikipedia page on US law in a thread about a guy detained by British cops.

Well, it's not like I pointed that out is it?

Did you RTFA?  About how this was supposedly ordered by the NSA?

So I suppose It's perfectly rational to suppose that the UK takes it's orders from the Washington?  And I'm Himmler's grandson for denying the conspiracy?

This is the most fun I have had on FARK in years!
 
2013-08-18 08:26:42 PM
Seriously, he was in the other thread defending this, too. He loves this stuff.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-18 08:33:21 PM

Nabb1: Seriously, he was in the other thread defending this, too. He loves this stuff.


I love trolling Tea-Tard/Sovereign Citizen/Libertarian/Anarchist clowns.

Guilty as charged.
 
2013-08-18 08:35:41 PM

vpb: Nabb1: Seriously, he was in the other thread defending this, too. He loves this stuff.

I love trolling Tea-Tard/Sovereign Citizen/Libertarian/Anarchist clowns.

Guilty as charged.


Uh-huh. You pipe up in every single one of these threads and defend these policies for hours on end, and you're trolling. Bless your heart.
 
2013-08-18 08:40:03 PM
Oh, I'm sorry. Is VPB an idiot? First time I met him  Jeez. I wish I'd know that before.

/My bad.
//How's Bevets these days?
 
2013-08-18 08:44:59 PM

gaslight: Oh, I'm sorry. Is VPB an idiot? First time I met him  Jeez. I wish I'd know that before.

/My bad.
//How's Bevets these days?


Just ignore it. You'll have a much more pleasant evening.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-18 08:46:31 PM
You tea tards are so cute!

Bless you're hearts.
 
2013-08-18 08:48:56 PM

vpb: You tea tards are so cute!

Bless you're hearts.


Bless "you're" hearts? You should quit while you're ahead, son.
 
2013-08-18 08:55:33 PM

vpb: Tea-Tard/Sovereign Citizen/Libertarian/Anarchist



vpb: You tea tards are so cute!

Bless you're hearts.


What's cute is that you're such an authoritarian toolbag you don't realize you're arguing mostly with progressives.
 
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