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(Russia Today)   In anticipation of a U.S. drone strike on Julian Assange, WikiLeaks has released 400 gigabytes of encrypted 'insurance' data online   (rt.com) divider line 133
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2013-08-18 06:02:05 PM  
OgreMagi: ... but that it is MUCH worse than originally thought?  Really?

It is exactly as bad as those of us who have been paying attention have been saying for years. I was not at all surprised.
 
2013-08-18 06:02:23 PM  

Carth: BafflerMeal: Nothing Snowden released jeopardized the US.

Nor was it the least bit surprising to anyone who has been paying attention for the last few years. Doesn't seem like a very good reason to break your confidentiality agreement and become an international fugitive but I guess forethought isn't his strong point.


Carth: Slaxl: Somaticasual: OgreMagi: Assange is a dick of the highest order.  He tricked some poor flunky to commit a major crime, then released massive amounts of sensitive material without caring one bit about the possible fallout.  In the process he endangered many lives.  And he did it because he wants to be James Bond.

Snowden, on the other hand, revealed a single fact.  The NSA is illegally spying on the American public.  Snowden is a hero.

With you up to snowden.  He revealed a single fact, fled, then kept the facts rolling to a country that's basically becoming our enemy again.  As it turns out, he was also stealing files well before that too - so it's not like he's a man with a crisis of conscience that finally went public. He sought out multiple opportunities to steal sensitive data, then tried to leak it as a trump card to win support. And, in doing so, he jeopardized the safety of our nation and it's intelligence community. He's a traitor like manning, pure and simple.

Did Snowden really give classified info to the Chinese or Russians?

He gave it to the world press freely available online.... so yes?


So... no? What he shared to the world publicly was, as you say, unsurprising, and frankly as a result it jeopardised nothing. People make it sound like he fled, went to China and Russia and divulged to them more than he divulged to the public. That would be an issue, but what he shared publicly shouldn't make him an enemy of the American people, just the American government. If I was American i'd be more concerned that the interests of the people and the government don't align. However I am British, so I am more concerned that the interests of our people and our government don't align. This is why I don't want a federalised Europe. We need our old rivalries to lead to war whenever one starts acting authoritarian, rather than all uniting to act uniformly authoritarian.

/tangent
 
2013-08-18 06:02:42 PM  

OgreMagi: alice_600: Oh and BTW you want privacy start with the US Post Office that is what the fourth covers.

You show a surprising amount of ignorance of our Constitution.


Maybe I do but, here's the bigger question. What can we do? Years ago I would have been angry about this because I thought that everything was black and white if we did it this way. Don't get me wrong I do know my rights but I also know there are a lot of gray areas in this world and sometimes life isn't fair or just. I want this job I am the best at what I do. But this other candidate will get it possibly because they have gone to a better school and have a better appearance or because they smelled like a cool mountain breeze. As Sinatra would sing that's life.
 
2013-08-18 06:05:13 PM  

alice_600: OgreMagi: alice_600: Oh and BTW you want privacy start with the US Post Office that is what the fourth covers.

You show a surprising amount of ignorance of our Constitution.

Maybe I do but, here's the bigger question. What can we do? Years ago I would have been angry about this because I thought that everything was black and white if we did it this way. Don't get me wrong I do know my rights but I also know there are a lot of gray areas in this world and sometimes life isn't fair or just. I want this job I am the best at what I do. But this other candidate will get it possibly because they have gone to a better school and have a better appearance or because they smelled like a cool mountain breeze. As Sinatra would sing that's life.


When it comes to the government, what you can do is not tolerate it.  Make it known to your elected officials that it is not acceptable government behavior.  Of course, they won't listen.  Which is why I never vote for a republican or a democrat.  Those two parties ARE the problem.

As for the perfect job, etc.  Welcome to my world.  :D
 
2013-08-18 06:05:40 PM  

OgreMagi: iron de havilland: OgreMagi: Ummmm, he released lots of facts.

The revelations about what GCHQ have achieved with Project Tempora  are by far the biggest revelations (as in something massive and serious that was totally unknown by the public), but it's sort of been drowned out because it's not a US-based story.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora

Technically, that is part of the "spying on Americans" fact he revealed.  However, I will accept that it was not a single fact, but a whole lot of facts all related to government spying.

So GCHQ is an American government agency, and British people are now Americans.

Thanks for clearing that up.

/I'm not suggesting that the NSA and GCHQ aren't all over each other's data, by the way.

The GCHQ was sharing data about Americans with the US government, so it does fall under the "spying on Americans" umbrella.


I'm really not sure how much of the data from GCHQ relates to Americans.

In truth, the only posts I made in earlier Snowden threads were references to Catch-22, so I really haven't studied it out.

I think we are both in agreement that the NSA and GCHQ are quite promiscuous in their data-sharing with each other, though?
 
2013-08-18 06:05:55 PM  
These whistle blowers are heroes. They should each have a statue at the Washington Monument with the names of the president(s) who persecuted them carved in below their feet in a place of shame.
 
2013-08-18 06:06:56 PM  
Still not enough shock and horror that GCHQ is essentially TIVOing THE ENTIRE INTERNET, FROM FACEBOOK CHATS TO EMAILS.
 
2013-08-18 06:07:09 PM  
Yeah, but like 200 gigs of that is gay pr0n blueray rips....
 
2013-08-18 06:07:32 PM  

Atzanteol: alice_600: Atzanteol: Somaticasual: OgreMagi: Assange is a dick of the highest order.  He tricked some poor flunky to commit a major crime, then released massive amounts of sensitive material without caring one bit about the possible fallout.  In the process he endangered many lives.  And he did it because he wants to be James Bond.

Snowden, on the other hand, revealed a single fact.  The NSA is illegally spying on the American public.  Snowden is a hero.

With you up to snowden.  He revealed a single fact, fled, then kept the facts rolling to a country that's basically becoming our enemy again.  As it turns out, he was also stealing files well before that too - so it's not like he's a man with a crisis of conscience that finally went public. He sought out multiple opportunities to steal sensitive data, then tried to leak it as a trump card to win support. And, in doing so, he jeopardized the safety of our nation and it's intelligence community. He's a traitor like manning, pure and simple.

No, he didn't.  He threatened political careers but not the safety of the American people.

That's technically threatening behaviour.

True - but not threatening the "safety of our nation."  In fact I'd argue he's made us more safe - look at all of the violations found at the NSA simply following their own guidelines.  And that will likely be the tip of the iceberg considering nobody is really cracking down on the NSA yet.

Terrorism isn't the only threat to the freedom of Americans.


Why is it whenever I think of this whole Snowden, Assange and NSA thing I keep thinking of Archer and ISIS?
 
2013-08-18 06:07:39 PM  

iron de havilland: OgreMagi: iron de havilland: OgreMagi: Ummmm, he released lots of facts.

The revelations about what GCHQ have achieved with Project Tempora  are by far the biggest revelations (as in something massive and serious that was totally unknown by the public), but it's sort of been drowned out because it's not a US-based story.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora

Technically, that is part of the "spying on Americans" fact he revealed.  However, I will accept that it was not a single fact, but a whole lot of facts all related to government spying.

So GCHQ is an American government agency, and British people are now Americans.

Thanks for clearing that up.

/I'm not suggesting that the NSA and GCHQ aren't all over each other's data, by the way.

The GCHQ was sharing data about Americans with the US government, so it does fall under the "spying on Americans" umbrella.

I'm really not sure how much of the data from GCHQ relates to Americans.

In truth, the only posts I made in earlier Snowden threads were references to Catch-22, so I really haven't studied it out.

I think we are both in agreement that the NSA and GCHQ are quite promiscuous in their data-sharing with each other, though?


I'm sure the NSA and GCHQ are so close that they are having sex without a condom.  Except we're the ones getting farked.
 
2013-08-18 06:08:39 PM  

Slaxl: So... no? What he shared to the world publicly was, as you say, unsurprising, and frankly as a result it jeopardised nothing. People make it sound like he fled, went to China and Russia and divulged to them more than he divulged to the public. That would be an issue, but what he shared publicly shouldn't make him an enemy of the American people, just the American government. If I was American i'd be more concerned that the interests of the people and the government don't align. However I am British, so I am more concerned that the interests of our people and our government don't align. This is why I don't want a federalised Europe. We need our old rivalries to lead to war whenever one starts acting authoritarian, rather than all uniting to act uniformly authoritarian.

/tangent


Unfortunately classified data doesn't work that way in the US. If you have a security clearance and you say information that is classified, even if it is available from other means, they can prosecute you for it.

For example. Say one of the 16 intelligence agencies  writes a  report and in it they say "the sky is blue" and somehow the report ends up classified Top Secret. Now this information is painfully obvious to anyone and shouldn't actually be classified. However, if you have a security clearance and release the page of the report that says "the sky is blue" you will still lose your job, and possibility get prosecuted for releasing classified information without authorization.

This caused a big problem when the leak first happened because no one with a security clearance was allowed to comment on the leak without approval so you'd see inane discussions on TV where they try to talk about the subject without actually addressing the specific points released.

Also if you release information to wikileaks,  it is published online, and then somehow ends up in Al Qaeda's hands the government will try to prosecute you for aiding the enemy even though you never directly gave them any information.
 
2013-08-18 06:08:50 PM  

OgreMagi: alice_600: OgreMagi: alice_600: Oh and BTW you want privacy start with the US Post Office that is what the fourth covers.

You show a surprising amount of ignorance of our Constitution.

Maybe I do but, here's the bigger question. What can we do? Years ago I would have been angry about this because I thought that everything was black and white if we did it this way. Don't get me wrong I do know my rights but I also know there are a lot of gray areas in this world and sometimes life isn't fair or just. I want this job I am the best at what I do. But this other candidate will get it possibly because they have gone to a better school and have a better appearance or because they smelled like a cool mountain breeze. As Sinatra would sing that's life.

When it comes to the government, what you can do is not tolerate it.  Make it known to your elected officials that it is not acceptable government behavior.  Of course, they won't listen.  Which is why I never vote for a republican or a democrat.  Those two parties ARE the problem.

As for the perfect job, etc.  Welcome to my world.  :D


Did it done it need to move on to something else so the people invloved don't get fame.
 
2013-08-18 06:09:30 PM  

OgreMagi: Assange is a dick of the highest order.  He tricked some poor flunky to commit a major crime, then released massive amounts of sensitive material without caring one bit about the possible fallout.  In the process he endangered many lives.  And he did it because he wants to be James Bond.

Snowden, on the other hand, revealed a single fact.  The NSA is illegally spying on the American public.  Snowden is a hero.


So the dude that exposes dipshiatary that unethically affects Americans is cool but the dude that exposes dipshiatary that affects non-Americans is a dick of the highest order.

/Do you even ethics bro?
 
2013-08-18 06:09:35 PM  

OgreMagi: 2wolves: Considering that the way to cover failure(s) is to classify everything as TS Code Phrase I can get too upset that the barn door was left open before the fire was started.

The government is way too quick to classify anything and everything as secret or top secret. Because of the flood of so much stuff getting overly classified, they came up with a document that outlines the criteria to classify documents.  That document was classified as secret.  D'OH!


Yes, I know, which is why I corrected my comment.
 
2013-08-18 06:09:53 PM  
I sometimes wonder if we haven't passed the point where, like in the movie "Men in Black", the real journalism is in the supermarket tabloids.

/ who the hell really knows if batboy really exists or not?
 
2013-08-18 06:10:08 PM  
Who wants cupcakes?
 
2013-08-18 06:10:10 PM  
Laura Poitris has a lengthy article out that clarifies a lot.
 
2013-08-18 06:11:20 PM  

alice_600: Who wants cupcakes?


Even the cupcakes are a lie.
 
2013-08-18 06:12:45 PM  

Nick Nostril: I sometimes wonder if we haven't passed the point where, like in the movie "Men in Black", the real journalism is in the supermarket tabloids.

/ who the hell really knows if batboy really exists or not?


Unfortunatly those went out of business years ago. I was sad I wanted to work for them and write about how giant robotic aliens fled their war torn planet and came here for sanctuary form their enemies and now grow crops and raise livestock to pay for their fuel and upkeep.
 
2013-08-18 06:13:45 PM  

SpdrJay: Yeah, but like 200 gigs of that is gay pr0n blueray rips....


This is Assange. I'm guessing all 400 gigs is teh gay pr0ns.

/ NTTAWWT
 
2013-08-18 06:18:13 PM  
Insurance policy against who or what?
And does who or why know that Assange took out this "insurance" policy?
Assuming it's the US government, blackmailing them is never a good idea.
 
2013-08-18 06:20:58 PM  

alice_600: Nick Nostril: I sometimes wonder if we haven't passed the point where, like in the movie "Men in Black", the real journalism is in the supermarket tabloids.

/ who the hell really knows if batboy really exists or not?

Unfortunatly those went out of business years ago. I was sad I wanted to work for them and write about how giant robotic aliens fled their war torn planet and came here for sanctuary form their enemies and now grow crops and raise livestock to pay for their fuel and upkeep.


Well, there it is. That's the conspiracy. The gummint drove them out of bidness so they could stuff our minds with their own disinformation via Faux News and PMS-NBC. It's actually a pretty brilliant plan.

This Assange is just a boil on their collective asses.
 
2013-08-18 06:24:49 PM  

foo monkey: That's a LOT of porn.


Seven zettabytes?

static.comicvine.com
 
2013-08-18 06:25:45 PM  
Ah, the future. Who would have imagined a nerdy black man would be president, ordering killer flying robots to asplode a pompous twit over computer things?
 
2013-08-18 06:27:12 PM  
It isn't like he was carrying the information on his person this whole time subby. They're worried about a raid, as well they should be.
 
2013-08-18 06:29:20 PM  
The encrypted documents detail Dick Cheney's sexual relationships with Central American boys in trysts that were arranged by Rush Limbaugh.
 
2013-08-18 06:30:28 PM  

Surool: It isn't like he was carrying the information on his person this whole time subby. They're worried about a raid, as well they should be.



A drone strike on an embassy in central London? That is not going to happen, no matter how silly this gets.
 
2013-08-18 06:31:36 PM  

OgreMagi: Assange is a dick of the highest order.  He tricked some poor flunky to commit a major crime, then released massive amounts of sensitive material without caring one bit about the possible fallout.  In the process he endangered many lives.  And he did it because he wants to be James Bond.

Snowden, on the other hand, revealed a single fact.  The NSA is illegally spying on the American public.  Snowden is a hero.


Assange also revealed war crimes. And, the only people he endangered are people who are participating in wars of aggression.
 
2013-08-18 06:36:50 PM  
b.vimeocdn.com : It's OK, Rand Paul will save him
 
2013-08-18 06:37:45 PM  
Wait, you mean that something is going to happen in 37 days?
 
2013-08-18 06:42:09 PM  

alice_600: but, here's the bigger question. What can we do?


Just let the government and corporations know everything about your life. It would help our war efforts if you were to give all of your money to the banks as well. Please do your part, citizen.
 
2013-08-18 06:43:35 PM  

2wolves: alice_600: Who wants cupcakes?

Even the cupcakes are a lie.


I wonder if we are really a lie like in the matrix.
 
2013-08-18 06:52:47 PM  
Resorting to blackmail is a sure sign you're legitimate!!
 
2013-08-18 06:52:53 PM  
Before external hard drives and such, I used to be impressed by 400 gigabytes of data.

Now, not so much. Wake me up when it's a terabyte... or when September ends. Whichever comes first.
 
2013-08-18 06:59:30 PM  
Is this the Kraken?
 
2013-08-18 07:02:28 PM  

hinten: Insurance policy against who or what?
And does who or why know that Assange took out this "insurance" policy?
Assuming it's the US government, blackmailing them is never a good idea.


The last time Mr. Assange did something like this, the torrent was an encrypted archive filled with unredacted classified documents, with the implied threat that if the U.S. did anything to him, one of his trusted lieutenants would release the decryption key in retaliation.  Which would put American assets all over the world in mortal danger (just imagine what the Taliban would do if it got the names of a few CIA informants).

Unfortunately, that didn't work out so well, because one of his trusted lieutenants was incompetent and leaked the decryption key before anything had actually happend to Mr. Assange.
 
2013-08-18 07:07:12 PM  

Evil High Priest: alice_600: but, here's the bigger question. What can we do?

Just let the government and corporations know everything about your life. It would help our war efforts if you were to give all of your money to the banks as well. Please do your part, citizen.


Still doesn't answer my question. Granted I use a credit union and have for years but none the less that's still technically a bank and many people need that bank to help save for retirement and cash checks so I can feed myself and my family.
I cannot stop using gas because I need a car to drive me 20 miles away to work everyday and I can't bike everywhere because it's just not a safe thing to do alone.
It's not like we can just stop using the World Wide Web. It's not like anything we can do will make a strong impact.
So tell me what more do you activists want from the average American with kids, a mortgage and a car payment? Want us to live in mud huts and wear organic leaves for clothing and eat what ever we find on the ground and if you get sick we just drink bull's blood because that's what the old fashion cavemen did? Do you? For better for worse modern life is so far been the best thing ever! It has a lot of gray areas it has a lot of stuff that may or may not ever happen. But god damn it can we just all shut up and relax and not worry about offending and hurting some farking moron who weight 440lbs and smells like a toilet because of farking political correctness privilege bull shiat they saw on tumblr!
 
2013-08-18 07:13:00 PM  

BafflerMeal: Somaticasual: OgreMagi: Assange is a dick of the highest order.  He tricked some poor flunky to commit a major crime, then released massive amounts of sensitive material without caring one bit about the possible fallout.  In the process he endangered many lives.  And he did it because he wants to be James Bond.

Snowden, on the other hand, revealed a single fact.  The NSA is illegally spying on the American public.  Snowden is a hero.

With you up to snowden.  He revealed a single fact, fled, then kept the facts rolling to a country that's basically becoming our enemy again.  As it turns out, he was also stealing files well before that too - so it's not like he's a man with a crisis of conscience that finally went public. He sought out multiple opportunities to steal sensitive data, then tried to leak it as a trump card to win support. And, in doing so, he jeopardized the safety of our nation and it's intelligence community. He's a traitor like manning, pure and simple.


Nothing Snowden released jeopardized the US.


Provided expanded information on tactics and methodology for acquiring information.  This allows assumptions to be confirmed, current strategies to be revised, and potential limitations to be exposed.  So yes, I would say that the leaks increased risk or created additional danger, thereby signalling that the release jeopardized the US, and other nations around the world.
 
2013-08-18 07:17:53 PM  

ghare: OgreMagi: ... but that it is MUCH worse than originally thought?  Really?

It is exactly as bad as those of us who have been paying attention have been saying for years. I was not at all surprised.


Wow man good for you. Its cool that you knew all about it buddy. Too bad you had no proof to back it up though. I'm sure no one thought you were some kind of conspiracy theorist because you're so in the know. They all trust gary. This dude's got the inside track.
 
2013-08-18 07:20:54 PM  
It must not be terribly useful information for the public, or he'd be a dick for not letting us know what it is.
 
2013-08-18 07:23:31 PM  
Deleted for name calling? "Stupid troll" (immediately supported by verifiable evidence for my contempt)?  Seriously mods?
 
2013-08-18 07:26:36 PM  
Assange is a sideshow  in every way even as far as wikileaks itself goes.  Far as them 'holding' stuff in reserve, while technically they've made it their mission to present and publish information brought to them without involving themselves by making choices about it, in reality some of it does come down to making value judgements.  Is the information real (at least insofar as verifying legitimate source), does it have any useful impact to anyone anywhere to release it, etc.  Otherwise they just become a clearing house for conspiracy buffs and people looking to sling confidential dirt.
 
2013-08-18 07:26:49 PM  

bojon: Laura Poitris has a lengthy article out that clarifies a lot.


What kind?
 
2013-08-18 07:34:43 PM  

Hermione_Granger: Before external hard drives and such, I used to be impressed by 400 gigabytes of data.

Now, not so much. Wake me up when it's a terabyte... or when September ends. Whichever comes first.


400 gig is still a crapload of files, especially if you're talking documents like Word docs, pdfs, spreadsheets, etc. Video files and games are the bigger space hogs.

Pages per Megabyte/Gigabyte Calculator
 
2013-08-18 07:35:31 PM  
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2013-08-18 07:35:46 PM  

OgreMagi: Snowden, on the other hand, revealed a single fact.  The NSA is illegally spying on the American public.  Snowden is a hero.


Dude, get your head out of your ass. Google is spying on you. FARK is spying on you. Amazon is spying. Grocery stores, credit card companies, cell providers, they are all spying on you.  Your farking anti-spyware program is spying on you. Snowden did not tell you anything you don't already know. However, what he did do was reveal information to other governments and organizations in an effort to harm and disadvantage his own country. That is why he fled the country. He broke our laws against being a spy and traitor aiding foreign governments and organizations, which is exactly what he did.

Couldn't Snowden have served his so-called "public service" by publishing an article or a book which informed us that the government was spying on us?  Maybe he would be a messenger for policy change. He could have started a discussion. Instead he copied and took actual documents and sensitive information and handed it to foreign agents. That is different. He is a lot of things, but he's certainly no hero.
 
2013-08-18 07:36:45 PM  

Surpheon: Deleted for name calling? "Stupid troll" (immediately supported by verifiable evidence for my contempt)?  Seriously mods?


i102.photobucket.com

Against the trolls, there can be no victory.  We have only one choice.  We must join with them.

It would be wise, my old friend.
 
2013-08-18 07:43:46 PM  

OgreMagi: Assange is a dick of the highest order.  He tricked some poor flunky to commit a major crime, then released massive amounts of sensitive material without caring one bit about the possible fallout.  In the process he endangered many lives.  And he did it because he wants to be James Bond.

Snowden, on the other hand, revealed a single fact.  The NSA is illegally spying on the American public.  Snowden is a hero.


It's not illegal though. The way the Patriot Act was written was so vague that they just have to suspect you are up to something, but don't need to base that on anything.

So one could just argue that we are all suspects that need to be monitored.
 
2013-08-18 07:43:50 PM  

OgreMagi: Are you still arguing that the NSA hasn't been spying on us, despite the MOUNTAIN of evidence that not only says they are doing exactly what Snowden revealed, but that it is MUCH worse than originally thought?  Really?


Strawman does not count as trolling

Come on Ogre, try harder

You remember when you could get/try hard right ?
 
2013-08-18 07:59:44 PM  

Bungles: The revelations about what GCHQ have achieved with Project Tempora


Now I'm hungry for Japanese.

/American
 
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