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(The Hill)   They will be handling your most personal information i.e. Your Social Security number and tax information but are not required to be finger-printed or subject to a background check   (thehill.com) divider line 69
    More: Fail, Pam Bondi, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, health law, Florida Attorney General, time constraint, social security numbers, background checks  
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2013-08-18 11:43:12 AM
Like when we go to get a driver's license? You people are reaching so hard I'm surprised you don't all have ruptured disks. If only we had some kind of plan to treat those.
 
2013-08-18 11:55:05 AM
I stopped reading at "Florida."

/worried about security?
//get rid of the TSA first, then we'll talk about your "security concerns"
 
2013-08-18 12:22:33 PM
BE AFRAID!

/this message brought to you by the GOP
//GOP: We got nuthin'
 
2013-08-18 01:04:10 PM
I just got a car loan. Had to give my ssn and access to tax information on the app. Have no idea who gets to see that information at the bank. I'm so scared.. hold me!
 
2013-08-18 01:08:51 PM
Obamacare is coming! Fear! Fear! If you pay for health insurance, you're supporting Socialism!
 
2013-08-18 01:16:29 PM
A few years ago, I was 'between gigs' and signed up with a temp agency. They sent me out on various office assignments. Mostly basic data entry. One job was at a lab that processed urine samples; if you applied for a job at a Walmart anywhere in the western US, I'm the guy that entered your info into the computer. Name, SS#, DOB, all of it. They also placed me for an extended period at a dental insurance plan office. All day long, I'd get insurance claim firms from the fax machine, then enter all that information into the computer. If you had Cygna Dental, I had access to all of your personal information. Fingerprinting? Background check? I was just an office temp.
 
2013-08-18 01:25:02 PM
I like how the problem is that people who work for the government might have access to government information.

These people are goddamn idiots.
 
2013-08-18 01:50:41 PM
Obviously, these people have never had to fill out a mortgage application.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-18 02:30:10 PM
Well, Florida governors don't need to have a crime free background and that's worked out really well.
 
2013-08-18 02:45:22 PM
This line of logic coming from the "If you've got nothing to hide, why worry?" crowd.
 
2013-08-18 02:48:50 PM
farm2.static.flickr.com
I do not leak, navigator. You leak!
 
2013-08-18 02:50:20 PM
I'd like to hear from federal employees about their job application process. I applied to be a temporary phone monkey for FEMA right out of college & the application had to have been an inch thick. That was a long time ago, so I'm just wondering what's changed since then.
 
2013-08-18 02:54:02 PM
SSN and tax information haven't been private information for decades.
 
2013-08-18 02:57:49 PM

Karma Chameleon: This line of logic coming from the "If you've got nothing to hide, why worry?" crowd.


I was going to post that *shakes tiny fist*
 
2013-08-18 02:58:29 PM
I assume these protectors of individual privacy never use the Walmart tax people around Mid-April then. Because last time I checked, a social security number was required to complete the 1040
 
2013-08-18 03:01:40 PM

Di Atribe: I'd like to hear from federal employees about their job application process. I applied to be a temporary phone monkey for FEMA right out of college & the application had to have been an inch thick. That was a long time ago, so I'm just wondering what's changed since then.


It's mostly online now, so it's not an inch thick but it's still well over what a private application would have.  Also 'no backround check' still includes some forms that would probably be as much or more than most private companies' backround checks just to get through the process, and these will probably be entry level jobs with vet preference on them, and those qualifying will mostly already have had checks.  Right now a lot of federal stuff has downsized, through attrition and hiring freezes if nothing else, and these jobs will likely be mostly vets, previous feds and military spouses.

There are easier ways to lose your ID info than this.  Far far easier ways.  It's not ideal, but very little about SSNs is.
 
2013-08-18 03:01:50 PM
Meanwhile, Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi's boss, Governor Scott, is outsourcing state worker jobs to private industries to process information a lot more confidential than that.
 
2013-08-18 03:05:40 PM
Keep the government away from my Social Security Number!
 
2013-08-18 03:06:13 PM
Are private and for-profit corporate insurance company employees
fingerprinted and background checked?  I doubt they're subjected
to any greater level of security then any other employee.
 
2013-08-18 03:06:33 PM

cameroncrazy1984: I like how the problem is that people who work for the government might have access to government information.

These people are goddamn idiots.


No, the problem is that those people working for the government apparently don't get screened for things like identity theft and have the ability to [steal-all-the-information.jpg].
 
2013-08-18 03:07:18 PM
Don't forget the nice back office folks working for those great guys who custody your 401k.
 
2013-08-18 03:08:02 PM

Emposter: SSN and tax information haven't been private information for decades.


I know right?  That's why we all were able to see all of Romney's returns for total transparency.
 
2013-08-18 03:08:45 PM

Di Atribe: I'd like to hear from federal employees about their job application process. I applied to be a temporary phone monkey for FEMA right out of college & the application had to have been an inch thick. That was a long time ago, so I'm just wondering what's changed since then.


Fingerprints, full criminal background check, and billions and billions of forms. Took about a month to complete the whole process.
 
2013-08-18 03:08:48 PM

Honest Bender: [farm2.static.flickr.com image 500x281]
I do not leak, navigator. You leak!


lol, wow. That brings me back. I must have been 7 or 8 when I saw that movie.
 
2013-08-18 03:12:47 PM
Actually, looking at other articles on this, it sounds like these are contracts to outside companies, many of which already deal with this sort of information (clinics, hospitals, universities) and the licensing is controlled by a ton of different state laws, and the navigators aren't allowed to specifically recommend any plan or sign you up directly - just explain the system and help you get the plan information.  I'm not certain they'd even need all of the info mentioned.  It might just be that they've outsourced any background checks as well.

This article is missing so much info it's hardly worth anything at all.
 
2013-08-18 03:15:01 PM

NewportBarGuy: Di Atribe: I'd like to hear from federal employees about their job application process. I applied to be a temporary phone monkey for FEMA right out of college & the application had to have been an inch thick. That was a long time ago, so I'm just wondering what's changed since then.

Fingerprints, full criminal background check, and billions and billions of forms. Took about a month to complete the whole process.


You had a fantastic HR.  It took me about 6 months to complete a within agency transfer, and another 3 after I started for them to finish up all the related forms.  At least I think they are done.  Maybe.  I may regret that jinx when W-2's show up.
 
2013-08-18 03:15:23 PM
HA! They can have me SS#.

When they try to do something wih it, they will be sadly disappointed.

Like me.

Aw crap, now I'm sad.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-18 03:16:44 PM
A federal background check usually involves an investigator interviewing you and you neighbours and asking all sorts of questions about you.

I suspect this is more like checking your criminal history like most companies do when they hire someone.
 
2013-08-18 03:17:12 PM
Who fingerprints the fingerprinters?

/Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
 
2013-08-18 03:17:13 PM
I'd like to see state legislators under random drug testing.  Also we need cameras in their offices to watch them at all times.
 
2013-08-18 03:17:13 PM

megarian: HA! They can have me SS#.

When they try to do something wih it, they will be sadly disappointed.

Like me.

Aw crap, now I'm sad.



Here.  Watch sloths get potty trained and do the 'poo dance'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x5tjPWwABc
 
2013-08-18 03:18:52 PM
You ought to see the things they outsource to prison labor.
 
2013-08-18 03:19:45 PM
Barry O's signature legislation in smoldering ruins. What a surprise. But hey, go right ahead and push it forward, make it happen right now with no delays. Let the liberal baristas who voted for BHO get their hours cut to 29 or less and then have to find yet another sh*tty job to pay for those iPhones and debt service on that Eng Lit masters from Brown. Make it happen TODAY! For Justice!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-18 03:23:12 PM

rko281: Barry O's signature legislation in smoldering ruins. What a surprise. But hey, go right ahead and push it forward, make it happen right now with no delays. Let the liberal baristas who voted for BHO get their hours cut to 29 or less and then have to find yet another sh*tty job to pay for those iPhones and debt service on that Eng Lit masters from Brown. Make it happen TODAY! For Justice!


You teatards are so adorable!
 
2013-08-18 03:24:01 PM

fredbox: You ought to see the things they outsource to prison labor.


but they've been fingerprinted, so it's OK.
 
2013-08-18 03:26:08 PM
They work for Obama.  I think every thing will be OK.  What's to worry???   /s
 
2013-08-18 03:28:11 PM

rko281: Barry O's signature legislation in smoldering ruins. What a surprise. But hey, go right ahead and push it forward, make it happen right now with no delays. Let the liberal baristas who voted for BHO get their hours cut to 29 or less and then have to find yet another sh*tty job to pay for those iPhones and debt service on that Eng Lit masters from Brown. Make it happen TODAY! For Justice!


Starbucks baristas get insurance for only working 20 hours.
 
2013-08-18 03:29:39 PM

vpb: rko281: Barry O's signature legislation in smoldering ruins. What a surprise. But hey, go right ahead and push it forward, make it happen right now with no delays. Let the liberal baristas who voted for BHO get their hours cut to 29 or less and then have to find yet another sh*tty job to pay for those iPhones and debt service on that Eng Lit masters from Brown. Make it happen TODAY! For Justice!

You teatards are so adorable!


I'm sure you have a plan that prevents all the companies from cutting hours to below 30 to avoid the health care requirements. Oh you don't? Well color me surprised.
 
2013-08-18 03:31:44 PM
Geeezzz. Even the cops get background checks and then their criminal record is sealed so you don't know how many people they kill or assault.

/Sleep tight citizen.
 
2013-08-18 03:32:53 PM

MarkEC: I'm sure you have a plan that prevents all the companies from cutting hours to below 30 to avoid the health care requirements.


I know right? My law firm just cut me to billing only 29 hours per week at $300 per hour instead of 40 at the same rate because 0bummerKare would've cost them an extra $200 per month.
 
2013-08-18 03:34:31 PM

ErinPac: You had a fantastic HR. It took me about 6 months to complete a within agency transfer, and another 3 after I started for them to finish up all the related forms. At least I think they are done. Maybe. I may regret that jinx when W-2's show up.


If it makes you feel any better, I got a promotion in November... They didn't get the paperwork done until April. So, they gave me retro pay AFTER the payroll tax holiday expired. Another 3% on all of the pay in November and December. Hooray!

I got lucky and got in when they were desperate for people so the Service Chief was all over them. Government HR people are just... well... In case they are reading this I'll just say I'm not a huge fan.
 
2013-08-18 03:39:54 PM
Yeah, because every private insuror employee now is required to be fingerprinted and go through a background check to see your PII. FFS.
 
2013-08-18 03:52:07 PM

rko281: Barry O's signature legislation in smoldering ruins.


How's that echo chamber working out for you?
 
2013-08-18 03:57:01 PM
If we want to stop identity theft the answer is not to require the thousands of people who have access to your "secret" information to all be trustworthy (hint: impossible) but to implement actual security around the transactions that actually constitute identity theft.

For example, we could require that shared credit information must be accompanied by a notarized credit application and a thumb print -- so someone had to convince a notary that they were the named person before applying for credit, and to provide physical evidence that an application did or did not come from the named party. We could require that credit information sharing companies provide notice of all reports for new accounts to the address and phone numbers they already have on-file, as well as notice of any changes to that information. We could require credit sharing companies to establish an authentication protocol with everyone they track, and actually enforce that protocol before accepting new reports. And of course we could simply hold credit reporting agencies strictly liable for any false information they provide to others, so they have some incentive to actually follow the rules.

Rules like these would have virtually no impact on legitimate mortgage/etc. lenders (they already do many of these things because they can be liable for fraudulent loans), would have no impact on small operations that will never make their credit reporting public (if someone opens a Macy's card in your name and Macy's never tells anyone else that you aren't paying you probably don't care much). It would have an impact on credit cards, but that's probably a good thing -- having them bake identity theft into their cost of doing business is not a desirable outcome for society. But really the biggest impact would be on credit information vendors, which is squarely where this problem rests -- it only exists because they aren't doing their job in the first place.
 
2013-08-18 04:03:31 PM

DerAppie: cameroncrazy1984: I like how the problem is that people who work for the government might have access to government information.

These people are goddamn idiots.

No, the problem is that those people working for the government apparently don't get screened for things like identity theft and have the ability to [steal-all-the-information.jpg].


The problem is that you don't understand that lots and lots of people (including private insurers) have the same access to that information sans background checks as well.
 
2013-08-18 04:08:27 PM

MarkEC: I'm sure you have a plan that prevents all the companies from cutting hours to below 30 to avoid the health care requirements. Oh you don't? Well color me surprised.


I do. It's called "not patronizing companies who are assholes to their employees."
 
2013-08-18 04:10:02 PM
As someone living in Sweden, the US system with social security numbers feels very much messed up. So, it's a number you should both keep secret that you at times have to give out as proof of you being you?

facepalm.jpg

Here your "personal number" (given at birth) is public information for anyone who cares to look it up, but you need a driver's licence or ID card to be allowed to use said number for identification. But yeah, for it to be possible to set up such a system you need a goverment that the people thinks wants their best. Apparently we had one of those in 1947 when the system was put in place.
 
2013-08-18 04:11:41 PM

NewportBarGuy: Di Atribe: I'd like to hear from federal employees about their job application process. I applied to be a temporary phone monkey for FEMA right out of college & the application had to have been an inch thick. That was a long time ago, so I'm just wondering what's changed since then.

Fingerprints, full criminal background check, and billions and billions of forms. Took about a month to complete the whole process.


depending on the agency, they're supposed to now accept "normal" resumes. You will still have additional forms to complete though that you may not have to do working for private business. But its not like it was 15 years ago when there was a whole separate federal system.
*may not apply to all agencies, esp. those who still think its 1900

vpb: A federal background check usually involves an investigator interviewing you and you neighbours and asking all sorts of questions about you.

I suspect this is more like checking your criminal history like most companies do when they hire someone.


no, that's a background check for a security clearance. Most gov't employees go through a standard check like you're talking about for private industry- they fingerprint you, run your criminal history and I think your credit report.
 
2013-08-18 04:20:58 PM

ErinPac: Actually, looking at other articles on this, it sounds like these are contracts to outside companies, many of which already deal with this sort of information (clinics, hospitals, universities) and the licensing is controlled by a ton of different state laws, and the navigators aren't allowed to specifically recommend any plan or sign you up directly - just explain the system and help you get the plan information.  I'm not certain they'd even need all of the info mentioned.  It might just be that they've outsourced any background checks as well.

This article is missing so much info it's hardly worth anything at all.


You're correct. The article is a piece of crap. The money they're talking about is grant money given to private (mostly non-profit) community organizations to assist with outreach.
The gov't does have the right to set training and hiring standards as part of the grant, but these are NOT federal employees.

Much better article:  http://triblive.com/business/headlines/4538344-74/health-federal-gove r nment#axzz2cM0Uzfla
 
2013-08-18 04:27:10 PM

propasaurus: A few years ago, I was 'between gigs' and signed up with a temp agency. They sent me out on various office assignments. Mostly basic data entry. One job was at a lab that processed urine samples; if you applied for a job at a Walmart anywhere in the western US, I'm the guy that entered your info into the computer. Name, SS#, DOB, all of it. They also placed me for an extended period at a dental insurance plan office. All day long, I'd get insurance claim firms from the fax machine, then enter all that information into the computer. If you had Cygna Dental, I had access to all of your personal information. Fingerprinting? Background check? I was just an office temp.


I believe it. I'm sure this "navigator" job will be yet another poorly-paid temporary call center gig. We can't possibly ask taxpayers to pay the kind of wages that attract and keep talented, trustworthy customer service reps as permanent staff.

/Don't be an a-hole to a customer service rep. They have all your billing info, usually on one easily photographed screen.
 
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