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(Opposing Views)   Korean War veteran puts up four American flags outside his residence. Building management at the federally subsidized housing unit takes them down without notice. Yeah, that's probably not a good idea   (opposingviews.com) divider line 90
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2013-08-18 10:50:24 AM
Only four? He's not patriotic enough for me to be outraged.
 
2013-08-18 10:54:54 AM
He put something on property that wasn't his without permission. The owner of that property has every right to remove it without notice.
 
2013-08-18 10:58:47 AM

Gecko Gingrich: He put something on property that wasn't his without permission. The owner of that property has every right to remove it without notice.


Unless, of course, he has permission under a lease or other agreement, which the "article" doesn't bother the begin addressing.
 
2013-08-18 11:04:23 AM

kronicfeld: Gecko Gingrich: He put something on property that wasn't his without permission. The owner of that property has every right to remove it without notice.

Unless, of course, he has permission under a lease or other agreement, which the "article" doesn't bother the begin addressing.


Well, it did *begin*:

My Fox Atlanta reports that several days later, Noah received a called from management officials, who told the Korean War vet that he couldn't add the flags in a commons area.

I mean, yeah it was after the fact, but it would at least imply there's a policy. Besides, I would think the default position is, "You can't store your stuff in the common areas."
 
2013-08-18 11:31:02 AM

kronicfeld: Unless, of course, he has permission under a lease or other agreement, which the "article" doesn't bother the begin addressing.


It's Opposing Views.  Don't get your hopes up.
 
2013-08-18 11:48:19 AM
He couldn't hang his flags inside his home, the place where he DID have permission to hang them?

Just put them up in your window. That way, you can attention-whore your patriotism without getting into trouble.
 
2013-08-18 12:30:13 PM
www.stratfordstar.com

Flag people. Stop them before they get carried away.
 
2013-08-18 12:58:36 PM
Yeah, he has every right to put as many flags as he wants on his own property.  He can't put them on the commons area without permission because that's not his property.
 
2013-08-18 01:25:24 PM
Is this another 'veteran thinks rules don't apply to him because he's a veteran' story?
 
2013-08-18 01:31:35 PM
If you're a vet you don't ever have top obey any laws or regulations ever. Because Freedumb.
 
2013-08-18 01:32:49 PM

propasaurus: Is this another 'veteran thinks rules don't apply to him because he's a veteran' story?


Looks like it.  I'm sure he's allowed to have as many flags as he wants in his room of the facility, but what goes into the common area is under management's discretion.
 
2013-08-18 01:32:55 PM

FloydA: Yeah, he has every right to put as many flags as he wants on his own property.  He can't put them on the commons area without permission because that's not his property.


What?  Next you're going to tell me that I can't put a flag on my neighbor's property without permission!  This is America!
 
2013-08-18 01:34:32 PM

Gecko Gingrich: He put something on property that wasn't his without permission. The owner of that property has every right to remove it without notice.


It's like the stupid old cannon fodder didn't understand exactly whose rights he was bleeding for. The lawn isn't his from which to shout "get off!"
 
2013-08-18 01:35:39 PM

Godscrack: [www.stratfordstar.com image 644x635]

Flag people. Stop them before they get carried away.


Now, that's the smile of a Level 43 troll.
 
2013-08-18 01:36:54 PM
FTFY:
Korean War veteran puts up four American flags outside his residence without notice. Yeah, that's probably not a good idea.Building management at the federally subsidized housing unit takes them down without notice.
 
2013-08-18 01:37:05 PM
It's not like he was putting up political signs or offensive posters. He was putting up American flags, which stand for freedom, equality, and opportunity. Who could possibly be against that.

Assholes. That's who.
 
2013-08-18 01:37:49 PM
To be fair, he is a Korean vet and they are reaching that agree where cognitive functions begin to deteriorate.

That being said, stop giving the rest of us vets a bad name you old Bastard.
 
2013-08-18 01:38:19 PM
Article was useless.  Was he just placing the flags at the edge of the common areas near his unit, or was he ruining the common areas for everyone else by plopping them down in the middle of the lawns?
 
2013-08-18 01:40:35 PM

FloydA: Yeah, he has every right to put as many flags as he wants on his own property.  He can't put them on the commons area without permission because that's not his property.


He should be able to put those flags anywhere he wanted if its on Amer'can soil!

/Sorry... just had to get this in here.  :D
 
2013-08-18 01:41:21 PM
I love when people put flags in front of their homes. I'm like "Woah, I forgot what country I was in! Thanks for reminding me :D "
 
2013-08-18 01:41:57 PM
Be seated.

Men, all this stuff you hear about America not wanting to fight, wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of bullshiat. Americans love to fight. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big-league ball players and the toughest boxers. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. That's why Americans have never lost and will never lose a war. The very thought of losing is hateful to Americans. Battle is the most significant competitions in which a man can indulge. It brings out all that is best and it removes all that is base.

You are not all going to die. Only two percent of you right here today would be killed in a major battle. Every man is scared in his first action. If he says he's not, he's a goddamn liar. But the real hero is the man who fights even though he's scared. Some men will get over their fright in a minute under fire, some take an hour, and for some it takes days. But the real man never lets his fear of death overpower his honor, his sense of duty to his country, and his innate manhood.

All through your army career you men have biatched about what you call 'this chicken-shiat drilling.' That is all for a purpose-to ensure instant obedience to orders and to create constant alertness. This must be bred into every soldier. I don't give a fark for a man who is not always on his toes. But the drilling has made veterans of all you men. You are ready! A man has to be alert all the time if he expects to keep on breathing. If not, some German son-of-a-biatch will sneak up behind him and beat him to death with a sock full of shiat. There are four hundred neatly marked graves in Sicily, all because one man went to sleep on the job-but they are German graves, because we caught the bastard asleep before his officer did.

An army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, and fights as a team. This individual hero stuff is bullshiat. The bilious bastards who write that stuff for the Saturday Evening Post don't know any more about real battle than they do about farking. And we have the best team-we have the finest food and equipment, the best spirit and the best men in the world. Why, by God, I actually pity these poor bastards we're going up against.

All the real heroes are not storybook combat fighters. Every single man in the army plays a vital role. So don't ever let up. Don't ever think that your job is unimportant. What if every truck driver decided that he didn't like the whine of the shells and turned yellow and jumped headlong into a ditch? That cowardly bastard could say to himself, 'Hell, they won't miss me, just one man in thousands.' What if every man said that? Where in the hell would we be then? No, thank God, Americans don't say that. Every man does his job. Every man is important. The ordnance men are needed to supply the guns, the quartermaster is needed to bring up the food and clothes for us because where we are going there isn't a hell of a lot to steal. Every last damn man in the mess hall, even the one who boils the water to keep us from getting the GI shiats, has a job to do.

Each man must think not only of himself, but think of his buddy fighting alongside him. We don't want yellow cowards in the army. They should be killed off like flies. If not, they will go back home after the war, goddamn cowards, and breed more cowards. The brave men will breed more brave men. Kill off the goddamn cowards and we'll have a nation of brave men.

One of the bravest men I saw in the African campaign was on a telegraph pole in the midst of furious fire while we were moving toward Tunis. I stopped and asked him what the hell he was doing up there. He answered, 'Fixing the wire, sir.' 'Isn't it a little unhealthy up there right now?' I asked. 'Yes sir, but this goddamn wire has got to be fixed.' I asked, 'Don't those planes strafing the road bother you?' And he answered, 'No sir, but you sure as hell do.' Now, there was a real soldier. A real man. A man who devoted all he had to his duty, no matter how great the odds, no matter how seemingly insignificant his duty appeared at the time.

And you should have seen the trucks on the road to Gabès. Those drivers were magnificent. All day and all night they crawled along those son-of-a-biatch roads, never stopping, never deviating from their course with shells bursting all around them. Many of the men drove over 40 consecutive hours. We got through on good old American guts. These were not combat men. But they were soldiers with a job to do. They were part of a team. Without them the fight would have been lost.

Sure, we all want to go home. We want to get this war over with. But you can't win a war lying down. The quickest way to get it over with is to get the bastards who started it. We want to get the hell over there and clean the goddamn thing up, and then get at those purple-pissing Japs. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we go home. The shortest way home is through Berlin and Tokyo. So keep moving. And when we get to Berlin, I am personally going to shoot that paper-hanging son-of-a-biatch Hitler.

When a man is lying in a shell hole, if he just stays there all day, a Boche will get him eventually. The hell with that. My men don't dig foxholes. Foxholes only slow up an offensive. Keep moving. We'll win this war, but we'll win it only by fighting and showing the Germans that we've got more guts than they have or ever will have. We're not just going to shoot the bastards, we're going to rip out their living goddamned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We're going to murder those lousy Hun cocksuckers by the bushel-basket.

Some of you men are wondering whether or not you'll chicken out under fire. Don't worry about it. I can assure you that you'll all do your duty. War is a bloody business, a killing business. The Nazis are the enemy. Wade into them, spill their blood or they will spill yours. Shoot them in the guts. Rip open their belly. When shells are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt from your face and you realize that it's not dirt, it's the blood and gut of what was once your best friend, you'll know what to do.

I don't want any messages saying 'I'm holding my position.' We're not holding a goddamned thing. We're advancing constantly and we're not interested in holding anything except the enemy's balls. We're going to hold him by his balls and we're going to kick him in the ass; twist his balls and kick the living shiat out of him all the time. Our plan of operation is to advance and keep on advancing. We're going to go through the enemy like shiat through a tinhorn.

There will be some complaints that we're pushing our people too hard. I don't give a damn about such complaints. I believe that an ounce of sweat will save a gallon of blood. The harder we push, the more Germans we kill. The more Germans we kill, the fewer of our men will be killed. Pushing harder means fewer casualties. I want you all to remember that. My men don't surrender. I don't want to hear of any soldier under my command being captured unless he is hit. Even if you are hit, you can still fight. That's not just bullshiat either. I want men like the lieutenant in Libya who, with a Luger against his chest, swept aside the gun with his hand, jerked his helmet off with the other and busted the hell out of the Boche with the helmet. Then he picked up the gun and he killed another German. All this time the man had a bullet through his lung. That's a man for you!

Don't forget, you don't know I'm here at all. No word of that fact is to be mentioned in any letters. The world is not supposed to know what the hell they did with me. I'm not supposed to be commanding this army. I'm not even supposed to be in England. Let the first bastards to find out be the goddamned Germans. Some day, I want them to rise up on their piss-soaked hind legs and howl 'Ach! It's the goddamned Third Army and that son-of-a-biatch Patton again!'

Then there's one thing you men will be able to say when this war is over and you get back home. Thirty years from now when you're sitting by your fireside with your grandson on your knee and he asks, 'What did you do in the great World War Two?' You won't have to cough and say, 'Well, your granddaddy shoveled shiat in Louisiana.' No sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say 'Son, your granddaddy rode with the great Third Army and a son-of-a-goddamned-biatch named George Patton!

All right, you sons of biatches. You know how I feel. I'll be proud to lead you wonderful guys in battle any time, anywhere. That's all.

/ the flag has been through hell and back; especially in Korea. Let the vet put flags where ever he damn pleases.
 
2013-08-18 01:44:12 PM

marius2: I love when people put flags in front of their homes. I'm like "Woah, I forgot what country I was in! Thanks for reminding me :D "


I'm not sure this is necessary outside of Iran and North Korea. Other places have inhabitants with local familiarity/self-awareness.
 
2013-08-18 01:44:35 PM

ghare: If you're a vet you don't ever have top obey any laws or regulations ever. Because Freedumb.


Of course, if you're not a veteran, and you don't like a rule or law, you can just do what you feel is right anyway and categorize it as 'civil disobedience' and it's all for the greater good.
 
2013-08-18 01:45:04 PM

iheartscotch: Let the vet put flags where ever he damn pleases


No.  This isn't 'Nam Korea.  There are rules.  Serving doesn't make you more equal.
 
2013-08-18 01:46:08 PM

chaosweaver: To be fair, he is a Korean vet and they are reaching that agree where cognitive functions begin to deteriorate.

That being said, stop giving the rest of us vets a bad name you old Bastard.


Autocorrect is the new communism when it comes to free speech.
 
2013-08-18 01:46:17 PM

kronicfeld: Gecko Gingrich: He put something on property that wasn't his without permission. The owner of that property has every right to remove it without notice.

Unless, of course, he has permission under a lease or other agreement, which the "article" doesn't bother the begin addressing.


FTFA My Fox Atlanta reports that several days later, Noah received a called from management officials, who told the Korean War vet that he couldn't add the flags in a commons area.

Which lease have you ever seen that allows you to decorate the common area as you see fit?
 
2013-08-18 01:48:38 PM
wow the closet military/authority/people-who-have-things-I-don't-haters are out in force in this thread

/though common area is not personal property so no flags without permission
 
2013-08-18 01:50:09 PM

marius2: I love when people put flags in front of their homes. I'm like "Woah, I forgot what country I was in! Thanks for reminding me :D "


Oh dude. Come to DC. They're on every other building.

But I guess traveling down embassy row can be confusing.
 
2013-08-18 01:52:19 PM
If you actually need to see a flag to feel patriotic, you're doing something wrong.
 
2013-08-18 01:59:02 PM
"They plan on issuing an apology to Noah and they'd also like to meet with the veteran and reach a compromise. "

How about this for a compromise?  You give him his flags back and then stop being such a coont.
 
2013-08-18 02:01:39 PM

gadian: iheartscotch: Let the vet put flags where ever he damn pleases

No.  This isn't 'Nam Korea.  There are rules.  Serving doesn't make you more equal.


Would you like to know more?
 
2013-08-18 02:02:56 PM

gadian: iheartscotch: Let the vet put flags where ever he damn pleases

No.  This isn't 'Nam Korea.  There are rules.  Serving doesn't make you more equal.


True enough. But; a few extra American flags won't hurt anyone. As to being more equal; serving in congress shouldn't make you more equal either. But, it seems that the biggest powerbrokers are congress critters and lobbyists.
 
2013-08-18 02:06:13 PM

ComaToast: chaosweaver: To be fair, he is a Korean vet and they are reaching that agree where cognitive functions begin to deteriorate.

That being said, stop giving the rest of us vets a bad name you old Bastard.

Autocorrect is the new communism when it comes to free speech.


Bloody frigging hell!
 
2013-08-18 02:12:51 PM
I'm really just about the opposite of a jingoistic "Americuh, duh" type person  But this guy earned the right to be as flag wavin' loony as he wants.  Good for him!
 
2013-08-18 02:14:59 PM
but was he properly lowering the flag at sunset, or during inclement weather. if not did he insure it was properly illuminated at night?


/It is the universal custom to display the national flag from sunrise to sunset on buildings and on stationary Flagstaff in the open on all days that weather permits, but especially on national and state holidays and other days that may be proclaimed by the President of the United States. On Memorial Day, the U.S. flag should be half-staffed until noon.

The U.S flag may be displayed 24 hours a day if properly illuminated during hours of darkness.
 
2013-08-18 02:17:02 PM

gingerjet: kronicfeld: Gecko Gingrich: He put something on property that wasn't his without permission. The owner of that property has every right to remove it without notice.

Unless, of course, he has permission under a lease or other agreement, which the "article" doesn't bother the begin addressing.

FTFA My Fox Atlanta reports that several days later, Noah received a called from management officials, who told the Korean War vet that he couldn't add the flags in a commons area.

Which lease have you ever seen that allows you to decorate the common area as you see fit?


But... but... FLAGS!!
 
2013-08-18 02:17:20 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: It's not like he was putting up political signs or offensive posters. He was putting up American flags, which stand for freedom, equality, and opportunity. Who could possibly be against that.

Assholes. That's who.


I was starting to get worried reading these comments nobody was going to step up and mention how this is shouldn't be an issue


Also this Deklab place keeps sounding better and better
 
2013-08-18 02:17:24 PM
The fact that it was the common areas and not his residence is the biggest problem for me.  If my neighbors and hang Direct TV dishes outside their apartments, then I really should be able to hang an American Flag outside my apartment, but I have no argument for my ability to hang a U.S. Flag in the pool area.

Now, one of my neighbors gets a pole and flies a Mexico flag in the pool area and I'll buy a bigger pole and fly a U.S. flag in the pool area.
 
2013-08-18 02:21:20 PM

iheartscotch: Let the vet put flags where ever he damn pleases.


Only if I get to plant a Starry Plough right in front of where you live. Better yet, four of them.
 
2013-08-18 02:23:17 PM
I totally thought this guy was a war vet from Korea.  Good jorb brain.
 
2013-08-18 02:24:43 PM
I'm with Aquapope. I'm as libby-lib as the next libby-lib, but I could support some sort of overall national law ensuring that anyone can put up as many American flags, properly displayed by U.S. flag code, on property that's legally that person's to control.

That would include cars (as long as no danger to other motorists is involved), housing within an HOA, business property, etc. I mean sure, a bunch of flags could be a primitive way of signaling solidarity with other right-wing loonies, but on the other hand a person could be moderate or left-of-center and still want to fly a few flags.

In my opinion, genuine patriotism, not the dog-whistle kind, crosses the ideological spectrum. And no, it doesn't require belief in "American exceptionalism."
 
2013-08-18 02:27:38 PM

Aquapope: I'm really just about the opposite of a jingoistic "Americuh, duh" type person  But this guy earned the right to be as flag wavin' loony as he wants.  Good for him!


He can wave all the flags he wants on his own property, someone else's? Not so much.
 
2013-08-18 02:29:33 PM

propasaurus: Is this another 'veteran thinks rules don't apply to him because he's a veteran' story?


He loves his country so much after he fought one of their BS "wars" that he's barely making ends meet living in subsidized government housing.

I see the American Dream is alive...because you have to be asleep to believe it.

/thread Carlin'ed
 
2013-08-18 02:33:34 PM

Gordon Bennett: iheartscotch: Let the vet put flags where ever he damn pleases.

Only if I get to plant a Starry Plough right in front of where you live. Better yet, four of them.


Funny story;

My uncle has the same exact name as some member of the IRA. My uncle has to show up at least 3 hours early for all plane flights; just so they can verify that he's not in the IRA. As far as I know; my uncle hasn't ever actually set foot on Irish soil.

/ I would appreciate you not planting any Starry Ploughs anywhere near me. Flying is tough enough already.
 
2013-08-18 02:41:30 PM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: I'm with Aquapope. I'm as libby-lib as the next libby-lib, but I could support some sort of overall national law ensuring that anyone can put up as many American flags, properly displayed by U.S. flag code, on property that's legally that person's to control.



I suspect that most people would agree with you.  The problem here is that he was planting flags on property that was not his.

I should be allowed to decorate my lawn any way I please, as long as it doesn't cause a hazard to others.  However, I am not allowed to decorate city parks, my neighbor's lawn, the county courthouse, or anything else that doesn't belong to me.
 
2013-08-18 03:11:27 PM

bigbobowski: but was he properly lowering the flag at sunset, or during inclement weather. if not did he insure it was properly illuminated at night?


/It is the universal custom to display the national flag from sunrise to sunset on buildings and on stationary Flagstaff in the open on all days that weather permits, but especially on national and state holidays and other days that may be proclaimed by the President of the United States. On Memorial Day, the U.S. flag should be half-staffed until noon.

The U.S flag may be displayed 24 hours a day if properly illuminated during hours of darkness.


It's a good thing that the US flag code is advisory and not punitive.
 
2013-08-18 03:42:23 PM

FrancoFile: Article was useless.  Was he just placing the flags at the edge of the common areas near his unit, or was he ruining the common areas for everyone else by plopping them down in the middle of the lawns?


Zero tolerance rules do not discriminate.
 
2013-08-18 03:52:42 PM
The patriotic war vet
global.fncstatic.com


The Housing Authority directors
www.dekalbhousing.org

And it's Atlanta. Old boy might as well howl at the moon, they ain't gonna let him fly his flags.
 
2013-08-18 03:58:50 PM

varmitydog: The patriotic war vet
[global.fncstatic.com image 660x371]


The Housing Authority directors
[www.dekalbhousing.org image 710x474]

And it's Atlanta. Old boy might as well howl at the moon, they ain't gonna let him fly his flags.



You don't have a right to other people's property.
 
2013-08-18 04:03:06 PM
How many people are they offending in their zeal not to offend anyone.

These idiots should be removed from the country.
 
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