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2013-08-18 10:40:41 AM
Yes, and that shape looks suspiciously like a dollar sign.
 
2013-08-18 11:37:06 AM
In the 12 years he's been in office, the city is better off than it had been for quite some time.  Crime is at the lowest level it's been in decades.  Tourists continue to pour into the city.  New construction has taken place all over the city.  Neighborhoods that were either in decline or completely ignored now have some attention (and I'm not just talking about Greenpoint/Williamsburg, I mean Astoria, Long Island City, Sunnyside).  The Second Avenue Subway continues to be built.  We have gay marriage (which Bloomberg was a cheerleader for).  Racial tension is at a lower point than it was under Giuliani, Dinkins, and Koch.   All this with a backdrop of 9/11, followed a few years later by the economic crisis.

Is it utopia?  Of course not.  But I lived here in the 80s and early 90s.  If you projected out from them, NYC would have been Detroit, but worse.  It's not.
 
2013-08-18 11:47:15 AM
The subway still smells like stale urine.
 
2013-08-18 11:47:34 AM
What about my 42 ounce Coke?
 
2013-08-18 11:50:16 AM
But then you get into that whole robber baron surveillance state he's created, disregarding the Bill of Rights and the supremacy clause. And the city still smells like the piss of a million bums.
 
2013-08-18 11:51:09 AM

theknuckler_33: What about my 42 ounce Coke?


That was just a ploy to get people to buy 2 medium sized sodas. With both hands full, you can't resist the stop and frisk. Wake up sheeple!
 
2013-08-18 11:53:08 AM
Fark New York


I say this with love from York which sucks almost as much buy is only about half as smelly but we are catching up.
 
2013-08-18 11:53:20 AM

RodneyToady: Is it utopia? Of course not. But I lived here in the 80s and early 90s. If you projected out from them, NYC would have been Detroit, but worse. It's not.


I remember NYC from when the democrats ran it as well. A very different place.
 
2013-08-18 11:53:49 AM
And yet I still have 0 interest in going anywhere near the place.
 
2013-08-18 11:54:44 AM

socodog: But then you get into that whole robber baron surveillance state he's created, disregarding the Bill of Rights and the supremacy clause. And the city still smells like the piss of a million bums.


There's a reason NYC is starting to feel like patriarchal Singapore.
 
2013-08-18 11:55:19 AM
A coat of frosting on shiat doesn't make it a cake.
 
2013-08-18 11:55:44 AM
I never got frisked cause I'm white. :(
 
2013-08-18 11:57:02 AM

stuffy: And yet I still have 0 interest in going anywhere near the place.


I guess because you can't make it there so you aren't able to make it anywhere, loser!
 
2013-08-18 11:57:35 AM

rko281: RodneyToady: Is it utopia? Of course not. But I lived here in the 80s and early 90s. If you projected out from them, NYC would have been Detroit, but worse. It's not.

I remember NYC from when the democrats ran it as well. A very different place.


So you think Bloomberg has done a good job and his methods should be a model for other large cities?
 
2013-08-18 11:57:48 AM

RodneyToady: In the 12 years he's been in office, the city is better off than it had been for quite some time.  Crime is at the lowest level it's been in decades.  Tourists continue to pour into the city.  New construction has taken place all over the city.  Neighborhoods that were either in decline or completely ignored now have some attention (and I'm not just talking about Greenpoint/Williamsburg, I mean Astoria, Long Island City, Sunnyside).  The Second Avenue Subway continues to be built.  We have gay marriage (which Bloomberg was a cheerleader for).  Racial tension is at a lower point than it was under Giuliani, Dinkins, and Koch.   All this with a backdrop of 9/11, followed a few years later by the economic crisis.

Is it utopia?  Of course not.  But I lived here in the 80s and early 90s.  If you projected out from them, NYC would have been Detroit, but worse.  It's not.


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/Crime is at the lowest level it has been in decades - by ignoring your constitutional rights using "Stop and Frisk"
//Tourists continue to pour into the city - Because the city is continuing it's life as Giuliani's Disney Land - New York City
///Neighborhoods that were in decline or completely ignored have some attention - Yet there are other parts of NYC ignored by Bloomberg because it isn't profitable yet to give the land over to private equity
////We have gay marriage - But we have lost freedom to 'Walk While Black', almost lost the freedom to drink a soda more than 16 oz, may soon lose the freedom to smoke anywhere in NYC (I am a non-smoker, but can see how that hypocrite had a party in a hotel with his fundraisers all smoking how they wanted to and no one got fined)
//followed a few years later by the economic crisis - Which could have been solved by the current mayor donating funds to help the city and he would of still had more money than G-d left over!
 
2013-08-18 11:59:00 AM

rko281: RodneyToady: Is it utopia? Of course not. But I lived here in the 80s and early 90s. If you projected out from them, NYC would have been Detroit, but worse. It's not.

I remember NYC from when the democrats ran it as well. A very different place.


You're in favor of gun and soda bans?  Lol!
 
2013-08-18 12:00:23 PM
Whites and the college-educated moved into neighborhoods, like Harlem, that had been home to minorities and those with lower incomes. Rezoning encouraged inclusion of affordable units, but the poor were pushed out as housing prices rose. In the Melrose neighborhood of the Bronx, a host of developments drew enough new residents to drop the poverty rate in one census tract by 20 percentage points. But in some nearby tracts, poverty ranks swelled. In Queens, the city rezoned Hunters Point in Long Island City, a residential and commercial area behind an industrial waterfront, in 2004. Now, it has a high-rise skyline and a dozen new luxury medium-rise buildings scattered nearby. Population is up 2,000, but 600 poor people have left.

Hehe. Go be poor somewhere else.
 
2013-08-18 12:01:16 PM

RodneyToady: Crime is at the lowest level it's been in decades.


Dammit, Lou, we got another suicide where the bastard tied himself up and shot himself the back of the head 5 times.
 
2013-08-18 12:02:44 PM
You know who else was really good at reshaping cities?  Hitler.  Of course towards the end he got a lot of help from the 8th US Air Corps.
 
2013-08-18 12:03:31 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: //followed a few years later by the economic crisis - Which could have been solved by the current mayor donating funds to help the city and he would of still had more money than G-d left over!


lol wut?  Please elaborate.
 
2013-08-18 12:04:59 PM
Okay, I gotta say, I'm not big on slideshow type interfaces, but that one had panache.
 
2013-08-18 12:05:12 PM
Let me know when it's been resmelled.

HIPSTERS: you're not helping
 
2013-08-18 12:06:24 PM

MooseUpNorth: Okay, I gotta say, I'm not big on slideshow type interfaces, but that one had panache.


I agree.  I wish I had those skills.
 
2013-08-18 12:07:51 PM
That was kind of cool, but it would have been nice if it was in a Google Earth overlay so I could navigate all those neat data layers they were showing.
 
2013-08-18 12:08:20 PM

foo monkey: DarkSoulNoHope: //followed a few years later by the economic crisis - Which could have been solved by the current mayor donating funds to help the city and he would of still had more money than G-d left over!

lol wut?  Please elaborate.


http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/michael-bloombe rg -net-worth/
 
2013-08-18 12:09:06 PM
Cool. I got a completely blank page. Thanks.
 
2013-08-18 12:09:31 PM
I for one think that NYC needs to cram more buildings into the same footprint.    That is needed.
 
2013-08-18 12:09:39 PM

foo monkey: The subway still smells like stale urine.


Mayor Bloomberg's administration is working tirelessly to replace stale urine with fresh urine in all MTA venues, citizen!
 
2013-08-18 12:10:15 PM
If I were black I'd go to NY and fill my pockets with pudding. Stop and frisk this!
 
2013-08-18 12:11:03 PM

Ennuipoet: Yes, and that shape looks suspiciously like a dollar sign.


So money is a bad thing now?
 
2013-08-18 12:11:28 PM
Say what you like, Bloomberg is still an epic douchebag.
 
2013-08-18 12:11:55 PM

semiotix: foo monkey: The subway still smells like stale urine.

Mayor Bloomberg's administration is working tirelessly to replace stale urine with fresh urine in all MTA venues, citizen!


BAN  ASPARAGUS!
 
2013-08-18 12:12:54 PM
It is amazing how concerned Republicans are about minority rights whenever NYC comes up.
 
2013-08-18 12:13:20 PM
I got so excited, I thought NYC was finally going to secede from the rest of the state for a minute.
 
2013-08-18 12:13:56 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: foo monkey: DarkSoulNoHope: //followed a few years later by the economic crisis - Which could have been solved by the current mayor donating funds to help the city and he would of still had more money than G-d left over!

lol wut?  Please elaborate.

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/michael-bloombe rg -net-worth/


That's not elaboration.  That's just telling me he's incredibly wealthy, which I already know.
 
2013-08-18 12:14:08 PM
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The Big Apple
 
2013-08-18 12:14:48 PM

RodneyToady: In the 12 years he's been in office, the city is better off than it had been for quite some time.  Crime is at the lowest level it's been in decades.  Tourists continue to pour into the city.  New construction has taken place all over the city.  Neighborhoods that were either in decline or completely ignored now have some attention (and I'm not just talking about Greenpoint/Williamsburg, I mean Astoria, Long Island City, Sunnyside).  The Second Avenue Subway continues to be built.  We have gay marriage (which Bloomberg was a cheerleader for).  Racial tension is at a lower point than it was under Giuliani, Dinkins, and Koch.   All this with a backdrop of 9/11, followed a few years later by the economic crisis.

Is it utopia?  Of course not.  But I lived here in the 80s and early 90s.  If you projected out from them, NYC would have been Detroit, but worse.  It's not.


Crime is at its lowest level because of Abortion. Read Freakonomics. Add to that the fact that during the same period of time, people's physical factory work has been transformed into inside office work - even the play of children happens largely online in NYC) and you'll see it's not that there has been an outburst of peace and love - it's a blend of genocide and anesthetization.

And the same has happened to the city. And if the City has their way, it will keep happening. The City needs a million more affordable housing units on manhattan, and it's not going to get it, because every unit they underprice will be rented by someone with enough cash to pay bribe the agents and supers. They'll then subliet it to some suburban college grad or international internet lessee for well above market rate.

Did you know that the Average income in New York city is 150,000 $/yr ? This doesn't mean that half the people in New York make that much, but it certainly means that many many of the people here make much much more than that.
 
2013-08-18 12:14:57 PM
All I know is when I went there and walked around all over the place for two days straight no one even gave a single indication they were gonna f*ck with me. Everyone was ultra helpful and nice and I've heard it's safer than many Canadian cities these days.

Oh the horror! Why oh WHY can't it be the rude sleazy murderous cesspool it was in the 70's and 80's?
 
2013-08-18 12:18:21 PM
NYC is now in good enough shape to suck it's own dick.
 
2013-08-18 12:20:02 PM

foo monkey: DarkSoulNoHope: foo monkey: DarkSoulNoHope: //followed a few years later by the economic crisis - Which could have been solved by the current mayor donating funds to help the city and he would of still had more money than G-d left over!

lol wut?  Please elaborate.

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/michael-bloombe rg -net-worth/

That's not elaboration.  That's just telling me he's incredibly wealthy, which I already know.


Then you didn't read (or care to read, just make trollish comments) that I said that with his individual net worth, he could donate some of that to make up for NYC budget shortfalls and still come out way ahead. If he claims to care so much about NYC, then he would do that. Instead he just continues to support prior Giuliani policy or enact new policy which makes NYC more palatable for the 1% and less accessible to those of lower incomes.
 
2013-08-18 12:24:59 PM
I hate living in SWNY and have to live by NYC rules,laws and taxes
Fark Bloomberg, and Cuomo
Cuomo said he wants to get rid of corruption and yet..
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/anti-corruption-panel-fails -p ursue-criminal-referrals-article-1.1417593
 
2013-08-18 12:25:01 PM
Maybe it is just me, but I probably wouldn't be pointing at 1 WTC as a highlight of how I helped spur new building development.
 
2013-08-18 12:26:07 PM
I think that all NYC mayors are profoundly controversial and polarizing figures simply because they have so much direct control over the lives of millions of people.  Something I think a lot of people forget about is that even though mayors have so much power, things (such as crime) can change or stay the same as an independent factor from mayoral policies.  I'll be interested in this conversation in 20 years when people are talking about whether he was the savior of New York or some guy who tried to ban soda and used a $10 bronze bathtub to relax.  

Look at W. Wilson Goode in Philadelphia for example: He was working on a serious overhaul of the public works department (for better or worse) when he had police drop a bomb on top of a building to dislodge a bunch of "Back to Africa" squatters.  A bunch of people died, and then the entire neighborhood burned to the ground.  Anything he had done or would do from then on would be overshadowed by the event.  I read his book (which goes a long way to paint the whole thing as a racially-motivated character assassination) and eventually met him in person and he seemed to know that history would remember him as a terrible mayor.  I can't even imagine the mental dissonance something like that has to cause in a person.

Fascinating stuff, really.
 
2013-08-18 12:27:56 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: /Crime is at the lowest level it has been in decades - by ignoring your constitutional rights using "Stop and Frisk"


Stop and Frisk doesn't seem to be city-wide.  Crime is down all over the city.  I haven't run the numbers in depth, but it's reached the point in which the current "bad" precincts are equivalent to the "good" precincts in the early 90s.


//Tourists continue to pour into the city - Because the city is continuing it's life as Giuliani's Disney Land - New York City

That was mainly Times Square.  I hated the change too, in the beginning.  But the adult establishments were never going to survive in those numbers anyway... not with the Internet delivering free porn to the masses.

Much of that area was a seedy craphole.  It's now a destination.  This isn't a bad thing.


///Neighborhoods that were in decline or completely ignored have some attention - Yet there are other parts of NYC ignored by Bloomberg because it isn't profitable yet to give the land over to private equity

Yeah, and?  NYC is a big city.  Quite a bit of attention has been paid to Brooklyn and Queens in the past decade.I can't speak to The Bronx or SI.


////We have gay marriage - But we have lost freedom to 'Walk While Black', almost lost the freedom to drink a soda more than 16 oz, may soon lose the freedom to smoke anywhere in NYC (I am a non-smoker, but can see how that hypocrite had a party in a hotel with his fundraisers all smoking how they wanted to and no one got fined)

Hypocrite or not, the smoking ban has been great, and I'm damn glad it happened.  The soda ban had its heart in the right place, but its head up its ass.  Stop and Frisk is it's own entity.  Unconstitutional in its execution, but we'll see how it changes.  And if it's tossed entirely, we'll see if it has any impact on crime.


//followed a few years later by the economic crisis - Which could have been solved by the current mayor donating funds to help the city and he would of still had more money than G-d left over!

You had pretty decent points until this one, where you lost it.  There were systemic issues that couldn't be solved simply by tossing money at it.  Nor is it Bloomberg's responsibility to do so out of his own pocket.
 
2013-08-18 12:29:35 PM
In this thread:

Everyone thanks Giuliani and mocks Democratic mayors for the changes that went on in the city when Clinton made funds available for tons more police.
 
2013-08-18 12:30:10 PM

rubi_con_man: RodneyToady: In the 12 years he's been in office, the city is better off than it had been for quite some time.  Crime is at the lowest level it's been in decades.  Tourists continue to pour into the city.  New construction has taken place all over the city.  Neighborhoods that were either in decline or completely ignored now have some attention (and I'm not just talking about Greenpoint/Williamsburg, I mean Astoria, Long Island City, Sunnyside).  The Second Avenue Subway continues to be built.  We have gay marriage (which Bloomberg was a cheerleader for).  Racial tension is at a lower point than it was under Giuliani, Dinkins, and Koch.   All this with a backdrop of 9/11, followed a few years later by the economic crisis.

Is it utopia?  Of course not.  But I lived here in the 80s and early 90s.  If you projected out from them, NYC would have been Detroit, but worse.  It's not.

Crime is at its lowest level because of Abortion. Read Freakonomics. Add to that the fact that during the same period of time, people's physical factory work has been transformed into inside office work - even the play of children happens largely online in NYC) and you'll see it's not that there has been an outburst of peace and love - it's a blend of genocide and anesthetization.

And the same has happened to the city. And if the City has their way, it will keep happening. The City needs a million more affordable housing units on manhattan, and it's not going to get it, because every unit they underprice will be rented by someone with enough cash to pay bribe the agents and supers. They'll then subliet it to some suburban college grad or international internet lessee for well above market rate.

Did you know that the Average income in New York city is 150,000 $/yr ? This doesn't mean that half the people in New York make that much, but it certainly means that many many of the people here make much much more than that.


With regards to that $150,000/yr thing, [citation very much needed].

According to HUD, the area median income for a family of 4 in NYC is $63,000.
 
2013-08-18 12:30:29 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: /Crime is at the lowest level it has been in decades - by ignoring your constitutional rights using "Stop and Frisk"
//Tourists continue to pour into the city - Because the city is continuing it's life as Giuliani's Disney Land - New York City
///Neighborhoods that were in decline or completely ignored have some attention - Yet there are other parts of NYC ignored by Bloomberg because it isn't profitable yet to give the land over to private equity
////We have gay marriage - But we have lost freedom to 'Walk While Black', almost lost the freedom to drink a soda more than 16 oz, may soon lose the freedom to smoke anywhere in NYC (I am a non-smoker, but can see how that hypocrite had a party in a hotel with his fundraisers all smoking how they wanted to and no one got fined)
//followed a few years later by the economic crisis - Which could have been solved by the current mayor donating funds to help the city and he would of still had more money than G-d left over!


There is a Farker with the handle DarwiOdrade who has a quote in his/her profile that resonated with me. It goes as follows:

Beyond a critical point within a finite space, freedom diminishes as numbers increase. This is as true of humans in the finite space of a planetary ecosystem as it is of gas molecules in a sealed flask. The human question is not how many can possibly survive within the system, but what kind of existence is possible for those who do survive.

Giving up the freedoms you mentioned is the price you have to pay if you want to live in a place as densly populated as NYC. Many people are willing to sacrifice some freedom for the amenities that living in NYC bestows. If it isn't worth the tradeoff, well, there's a huge and mostly empty country out there for you to enjoy. Nothing wrong with either choice- it is what it is.
 
2013-08-18 12:33:43 PM

Spadababababababa Spadina Bus: Giving up the freedoms you mentioned is the price you have to pay if you want to live in a place as densly populated as NYC. Many people are willing to sacrifice some freedom for the amenities that living in NYC bestows. If it isn't worth the tradeoff, well, there's a huge and mostly empty country out there for you to enjoy. Nothing wrong with either choice- it is what it is.


I was going to make a comment to him about how people who live in buttf*ck nowhere seem to think they know how things should operate in one of the largest cities in the world but then saw he was from Jersey so I guess he has a right to b*tch... kind of. Jersey people are weird.
 
2013-08-18 12:34:00 PM

Spadababababababa Spadina Bus:
Giving up the freedoms you mentioned is the price you have to pay if you want to live in a place as densly populated as NYC. Many people are willing to sacrifice some freedom for the amenities that living in NYC bestows. If it isn't worth the tradeoff, well, there's a huge and mostly empty country out there for you to enjoy. Nothing wrong with either choice- it is what it is.


Giving up the freedom of being allowed to walk around in peace without being stopped by police I don't consider a freedom anyone should have to sacrifice.
 
2013-08-18 12:34:29 PM
and the bronx can continue to be a shiathole
 
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