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(Opposing Views)   Jesse Jackson Jr. will receive $8,700 in disability pay per month and his $45,000 pension. Some people have a problem with this   (opposingviews.com ) divider line
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2013-08-18 10:31:00 AM  
Well, we did. Earlier this week. And that's $8700 for being diagnosed bipolar. I could get diagnosed bipolar if I'd make that sort of money.
 
2013-08-18 10:31:20 AM  
But will he get an Obamaphone?
 
2013-08-18 10:32:45 AM  
He earned it.
 
2013-08-18 10:32:56 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-18 10:33:41 AM  
I don't know about disability pay specifics, but bipolar sucks and I can forgive a person suffering from it quite a few mistakes.

Also, pensions are earned and after the work is done we don't get to steal them anymore than we do an annuity, social security payouts, or a criminals IRA.
 
2013-08-18 10:33:52 AM  
So he receives things that he is entitled to by contract and/or law? OUTRAGE!

Also:

He will receive a partial pension because of pension reform that was passed in 2007, for which he voted in favor of.
 
2013-08-18 10:35:03 AM  
How much for the Bruce Lee wall hanging?
 
2013-08-18 10:40:18 AM  
liberal thieves.  nothing changes
 
2013-08-18 10:41:00 AM  
Prunefaced vindictive republicans have issues with it. It's not enough that he's in prison
 
2013-08-18 10:44:46 AM  
anyone care to explain how the $8700 is determined?
 
2013-08-18 10:48:01 AM  

Smackledorfer: I don't know about disability pay specifics, but bipolar sucks and I can forgive a person suffering from it quite a few mistakes.

Also, pensions are earned and after the work is done we don't get to steal them anymore than we do an annuity, social security payouts, or a criminals IRA.


My sister is bipolar her disability payment is $2200 a month and she can't earn more than $1000 a month from an outside source.  $8700  a month in disability seems very high.
 
2013-08-18 10:50:39 AM  
Nice work if you can get it.
 
2013-08-18 10:51:48 AM  

Curious: anyone care to explain how the $8700 is determined?


Must be related to someone.
 
2013-08-18 10:52:51 AM  
He will receive a partial pension because of pension reform that was passed in 2007,

for which he voted in favor of.

Something is not right. Either "for" or "of" has got to go. Unless there's some new language rule for which I am ignorant about of. Again.

Still, $100K a year for bipolar? Where do you sign up for that deal?
 
2013-08-18 10:53:32 AM  

Smackledorfer: I don't know about disability pay specifics, but bipolar sucks and I can forgive a person suffering from it quite a few mistakes.

Also, pensions are earned and after the work is done we don't get to steal them anymore than we do an annuity, social security payouts, or a criminals IRA.


long-term clinical depression is a disability, don't see why bipolar disorder wouldn't qualify as well.

however, the amount of money he is getting doesn't make sense. aren't benefits capped to $2500 a month?
 
2013-08-18 10:54:24 AM  

Fart_Machine: How much for the Bruce Lee wall hanging?


I found one for $6.00 on eBay, but the sale ended, so...

Google it. I'm sure you'll find something. Good luck :)
 
2013-08-18 10:54:30 AM  

Curious: anyone care to explain how the $8700 is determined?


Typically it is a fixed percentage of one's income averaged over a particular duration.
 
2013-08-18 11:02:05 AM  

Curious: anyone care to explain how the $8700 is determined?


It's Social Security Disability, so it's determined by how much he earned before he was diagnosed bipolar. And it's not means-tested. And if previous discussions here are anything to go by, most of the people expressing their outrage here don't want it to be means-tested, so I'm not sure what they're all up in arms now about.
 
2013-08-18 11:02:15 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Prunefaced vindictive republicans have issues with it. It's not enough that he's in prison


Yes, damn the man for holding him down ..... Maybe you can get on the Parole Board
 
2013-08-18 11:07:41 AM  
How convenient that the bipolar disorder onset right as he was being investigated for multiple felonious acts.

//Expect a miracle cure in about 30 months...
 
2013-08-18 11:09:22 AM  

Smackledorfer: I don't know about disability pay specifics, but bipolar sucks and I can forgive a person suffering from it quite a few mistakes.

Also, pensions are earned and after the work is done we don't get to steal them anymore than we do an annuity, social security payouts, or a criminals IRA.


You mean the way corporate pension funds don't get sucked up and spent when a company like Bain Capital runs up an otherwise healthy company's debt and then heads into chapter 11 or 13?
 
2013-08-18 11:16:07 AM  
The sorriest thing about this is that the people who gave small amounts of money to his campaign funds probably believe that he's 100% entitled to use them for personal expenditures.  And the 2nd sorriest thing is that the people who gave large amounts of money just consider it a cost of doing business.
 
2013-08-18 11:22:20 AM  

Tom_Slick: Smackledorfer: I don't know about disability pay specifics, but bipolar sucks and I can forgive a person suffering from it quite a few mistakes.

Also, pensions are earned and after the work is done we don't get to steal them anymore than we do an annuity, social security payouts, or a criminals IRA.

My sister is bipolar her disability payment is $2200 a month and she can't earn more than $1000 a month from an outside source.  $8700  a month in disability seems very high.


Wow your sister makes close to. 50k a year on disability? (With her added $1000) No wonder people line up trying to jump onto the system.
 
2013-08-18 11:24:59 AM  

TheGhostofFarkPast: Tom_Slick: Smackledorfer: I don't know about disability pay specifics, but bipolar sucks and I can forgive a person suffering from it quite a few mistakes.

Also, pensions are earned and after the work is done we don't get to steal them anymore than we do an annuity, social security payouts, or a criminals IRA.

My sister is bipolar her disability payment is $2200 a month and she can't earn more than $1000 a month from an outside source.  $8700  a month in disability seems very high.

Wow your sister makes close to. 50k a year on disability? (With her added $1000) No wonder people line up trying to jump onto the system.


$2200 * 12 = $26,400

Do you even math, bro?
 
2013-08-18 11:28:37 AM  
Does Tom Delay get a pension? Yes. Does Duke Cunningham get a pension? Yes. Does Bill Janklow get a pension? Yes. Does Larry Craig get a pension? Yes. Hey, maybe none of these guys, including Jackson, deserve pensions but the fact remain, they got 'em, so rein in your outrage over this egregious example of perfectly legal business as usual and concentrate on blaming today's weather on Obama.
 
2013-08-18 11:31:56 AM  

clambam: Does Tom Delay get a pension? Yes. Does Duke Cunningham get a pension? Yes. Does Bill Janklow get a pension? Yes. Does Larry Craig get a pension? Yes. Hey, maybe none of these guys, including Jackson, deserve pensions but the fact remain, they got 'em, so rein in your outrage over this egregious example of perfectly legal business as usual and concentrate on blaming today's weather on Obama.


This almost suggests we should tie pension benefits to wealth. Though damn, it's ungodly warm today. Thanks Obama.
 
2013-08-18 11:33:52 AM  

FrancoFile: TheGhostofFarkPast: Tom_Slick: Smackledorfer: I don't know about disability pay specifics, but bipolar sucks and I can forgive a person suffering from it quite a few mistakes.

Also, pensions are earned and after the work is done we don't get to steal them anymore than we do an annuity, social security payouts, or a criminals IRA.

My sister is bipolar her disability payment is $2200 a month and she can't earn more than $1000 a month from an outside source.  $8700  a month in disability seems very high.

Wow your sister makes close to. 50k a year on disability? (With her added $1000) No wonder people line up trying to jump onto the system.

$2200 * 12 = $26,400

Do you even math, bro?


Even with the extra $1000 on the side, it comes to under $40K
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-18 11:34:09 AM  

Tom_Slick: My sister is bipolar her disability payment is $2200 a month and she can't earn more than $1000 a month from an outside source.  $8700  a month in disability seems very high.


The amount is based on past earnings, just like regular Social Security retirement payments.

You don't just get free money for being diagnosed, you have to be severely impared.
 
2013-08-18 11:39:03 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Prunefaced vindictive republicans have issues with it. It's not enough that he's in prison


Nixon got to keep his presidential pension, even after he resigned to keep from being tried, convicted, and thrown out of office. But he was a Republican, so that doesn't count.
 
2013-08-18 11:39:11 AM  

italie: How convenient that the bipolar disorder onset right as he was being investigated for multiple felonious acts.

//Expect a miracle cure in about 30 months...


Sure - he started getting treatment as soon as symptoms appeared. You don't know much about mental illness, do you?
 
2013-08-18 11:42:21 AM  
The outrage isn't over disability, it's over the fact the Jackson is bullshiatting, and his illness has been fabricated.
 
2013-08-18 11:45:54 AM  

Tom_Slick: Smackledorfer: I don't know about disability pay specifics, but bipolar sucks and I can forgive a person suffering from it quite a few mistakes.

Also, pensions are earned and after the work is done we don't get to steal them anymore than we do an annuity, social security payouts, or a criminals IRA.

My sister is bipolar her disability payment is $2200 a month and she can't earn more than $1000 a month from an outside source.  $8700  a month in disability seems very high.


dumbobruni: Smackledorfer: I don't know about disability pay specifics, but bipolar sucks and I can forgive a person suffering from it quite a few mistakes.

Also, pensions are earned and after the work is done we don't get to steal them anymore than we do an annuity, social security payouts, or a criminals IRA.

long-term clinical depression is a disability, don't see why bipolar disorder wouldn't qualify as well.

however, the amount of money he is getting doesn't make sense. aren't benefits capped to $2500 a month?



Smackledorfer: I don't know about disability pay specifics

I don't know about them, stop asking questions :)
 
2013-08-18 11:47:03 AM  

dionysusaur: Smackledorfer: I don't know about disability pay specifics, but bipolar sucks and I can forgive a person suffering from it quite a few mistakes.

Also, pensions are earned and after the work is done we don't get to steal them anymore than we do an annuity, social security payouts, or a criminals IRA.

You mean the way corporate pension funds don't get sucked up and spent when a company like Bain Capital runs up an otherwise healthy company's debt and then heads into chapter 11 or 13?


I think it was fairly clear I was speaking to the individual penalizing of someone for criminal activity.

Sheesh, this is a tough crowd in this thread this morning.
 
2013-08-18 11:49:59 AM  

Fark It: The outrage isn't over disability, it's over the fact the Jackson is bullshiatting, and his illness has been fabricated.


Uh huh. There's no way his family & close associates suspected his mental illness and tried to hide it from the public as long as possible. That never happens, right?
 
2013-08-18 11:54:08 AM  

DarwiOdrade: FrancoFile: TheGhostofFarkPast: Tom_Slick: Smackledorfer: I don't know about disability pay specifics, but bipolar sucks and I can forgive a person suffering from it quite a few mistakes.

Also, pensions are earned and after the work is done we don't get to steal them anymore than we do an annuity, social security payouts, or a criminals IRA.

My sister is bipolar her disability payment is $2200 a month and she can't earn more than $1000 a month from an outside source.  $8700  a month in disability seems very high.

Wow your sister makes close to. 50k a year on disability? (With her added $1000) No wonder people line up trying to jump onto the system.

$2200 * 12 = $26,400

Do you even math, bro?

Even with the extra $1000 on the side, it comes to under $40K


yeah my bad I was thinking traditional pay like salary where you get two checks a month. Sorry just woke up not thinking straight.
 
2013-08-18 12:00:39 PM  
My brother spent two years pursuing Social Security Disability benefits. Granted, he moved  few years ago to NC where apparently getting on Disability is the official state pastime, and he is kind of a sick (he volunteered in New York after 9/11 and his lungs are a mess), but it's not like he actually needs the money; it's more the principle of the thing (at the same time, he's opposed to all things Obama including the ACA so there's definitely an element of "I got mine..."). As a transplanted Connecticut Jew in Jesusland, he had some pretty good stories though. As others noted earlier, it's not enough to be physically disabled, you have to be mentally screwed up too so there's no chance of getting a job. As a result, he spent a lot of time in, and getting kicked out of, group therapy. At one point the therapist said "We all know God doesn't put us on earth without a reason [NC, remember]. [My brother], why do you think God put you on earth?"

My brother: "To torture me."

Woman sitting next to my brother: [leaps to her feet, points at my brother, and screams] "You're Satan!" [runs out of room].

He was asked not to come back
 
2013-08-18 12:04:52 PM  

DarwiOdrade: Fark It: The outrage isn't over disability, it's over the fact the Jackson is bullshiatting, and his illness has been fabricated.

Uh huh. There's no way his family & close associates suspected his mental illness and tried to hide it from the public as long as possible. That never happens, right?


He showed no signs or symptoms, nor did he ever seek treatment for his alleged disease, until the federal subpoenas started to roll in.
 
2013-08-18 12:07:10 PM  

DarwiOdrade: Fark It: The outrage isn't over disability, it's over the fact the Jackson is bullshiatting, and his illness has been fabricated.

Uh huh. There's no way his family & close associates suspected his mental illness and tried to hide it from the public as long as possible. That never happens, right?


Yeah... so it's probably just safe to assume that he actually was mentally ill all along and his family was just hiding it, instead of bullshiatting and deception as he, his family and associates are well known for.

Sounds legit.
 
2013-08-18 12:11:37 PM  
I'm hoping he gets shanked and they carry him out in a bodybag. Doubt that's going to happen.
 
2013-08-18 12:15:56 PM  

italie: How convenient that the bipolar disorder onset right as he was being investigated for multiple felonious acts.

//Expect a miracle cure in about 30 months...


Why should he ever get better? If I were getting $8700 a month I'd move to central america for therapeutic reasons.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-18 12:18:24 PM  

Fark It: The outrage isn't over disability, it's over the fact the Jackson is bullshiatting, and his illness has been fabricated.


That's a fact huh?  It's interesting that conservatives can "just know" all these things without having to actual know anything about the subject.
 
2013-08-18 12:19:56 PM  

Fark It: The outrage isn't over disability, it's over the fact the Jackson is bullshiatting, and his illness has been fabricated.


If you have proof of this you should make it public. If you do not have proof you should be sued for libel.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-18 12:24:40 PM  

wildcardjack: Why should he ever get better? If I were getting $8700 a month I'd move to central america for therapeutic reasons.


Well, he wasn't working the checkout at Wal Mart.  He had to have been making a lot more than that for a long for a long time to qualify for those benefits.
 
2013-08-18 12:27:47 PM  
These same people wonder why executives are so fond of golden parachutes, as they'd be too heavy to stop a large fall.
 
2013-08-18 12:31:00 PM  

clambam: At one point the therapist said "We all know God doesn't put us on earth without a reason [NC (aka Jesusland), remember].


So what I'm hearing as a secular Jew is "don't move to NC".

/thinking of moving to NC
 
2013-08-18 12:36:22 PM  
Yes, Fark, where not believing a politician makes you a 'conservative' and people white knight a convicted felon.  What a place.

/he doesn't deserve a dime
 
2013-08-18 12:43:35 PM  

DarwiOdrade: FrancoFile: TheGhostofFarkPast: Tom_Slick: Smackledorfer: I don't know about disability pay specifics, but bipolar sucks and I can forgive a person suffering from it quite a few mistakes.

Also, pensions are earned and after the work is done we don't get to steal them anymore than we do an annuity, social security payouts, or a criminals IRA.

My sister is bipolar her disability payment is $2200 a month and she can't earn more than $1000 a month from an outside source.  $8700  a month in disability seems very high.

Wow your sister makes close to. 50k a year on disability? (With her added $1000) No wonder people line up trying to jump onto the system.

$2200 * 12 = $26,400

Do you even math, bro?

Even with the extra $1000 on the side, it comes to under $40K


You both are forgetting about the extra 1000$ a month she gets from selling her food stamps for drug money, which doesn't get reported.

Obviously. QED.
 
2013-08-18 12:50:47 PM  

revrendjim: Fark It: The outrage isn't over disability, it's over the fact the Jackson is bullshiatting, and his illness has been fabricated.

If you have proof of this you should make it public. If you do not have proof you should be sued for libel.


And it would get laughed out of any courtroom with a competent judge, because public figures have a higher burden of proof than Joe Schmoe.
 
2013-08-18 12:51:34 PM  

DarwiOdrade: italie: How convenient that the bipolar disorder onset right as he was being investigated for multiple felonious acts.

//Expect a miracle cure in about 30 months...

Sure - he started getting treatment as soon as symptoms appeared. You don't know much about mental illness, do you?



And symptoms appeared magically at the moment he was being indicted for purchasing a senate seat and about to be investigated for misappropriation of funds?

I'm not saying he doesn't have a mental disorder. I'm not even necessarily saying he doesn't have bi-polar. What I am saying is that you can't prove bi-polar from a blood test, and the symptoms can look a lot like other common depression disorders. Disorders that can very much so be occurring when someones extremely public career is about to go into the shaitter. Disorders that aren't crippling enough to garner you $8700 a month in disability while serving jail time.

He may have been living with it for a while, and this forced him to get help. He also may be gaming the system (something a man of his ethical standard surely won't do though...)


//I've probably overheard more information on mental illness at any given Sunday dinner than most would learn in a lifetime.
 
2013-08-18 12:51:53 PM  
I'm bipolar.  Without medication (Lamictal and lithium) it's pretty scary.  It's common to have psychotic episodes where reality becomes distorted: seeing things not there, loss of time, feeling you're losing you mind, panic attacks.  There's a high suicide rate among untreated bipolar people.
 
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