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(Sun Sentinel)   Trio of moonshiners busted in the Sunshine State. They had a talent for refining the hooch and creating flavors such as pineapple, apple pie, and peach. Granny Clampett would have been dang proud   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 107
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2013-08-18 11:08:26 AM
Good for them.
 
2013-08-18 11:12:08 AM
Or we could use a less-ancient reference:
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2013-08-18 11:12:25 AM
They found a gun safe and some pot and the guys were selling booze people enjoyed.

I don't see the crime here.
 
2013-08-18 11:13:24 AM
Sounds good.  Friend brought some in a jar from a visit to the south.  It was amazing
 
2013-08-18 11:13:30 AM

doglover: I don't see the crime here.


They didn't pay the government their cut, I mean taxes.
 
2013-08-18 11:15:21 AM
Want.
 
2013-08-18 11:16:37 AM
I feel sorry for people who don't have a local source for good hooch.

/local guy has a pear/white grape that's out of this world
 
2013-08-18 11:17:07 AM
Granny Clampett would have been dang proud.


Possum?
 
2013-08-18 11:17:35 AM
Made some apple pie moonshine yesterday on the stove. Yum.

Wanna learn how to make my own white liquor, for research purposes only of course.
 
2013-08-18 11:18:08 AM
I have no problem with the regulation of liquor.  That shiat will make you go blind if you mess up even a little bit.
 
2013-08-18 11:18:15 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: Or we could use a less-ancient reference:


hey, I'm only 24 and I got the reference

/darn tootin'!
 
2013-08-18 11:19:42 AM

doglover: They found a gun safe and some pot and the guys were selling booze people enjoyed.

I don't see the crime here.


Yeah, it's rather tough to see what the problem is.  GUVMINT INTRUSION, Y'ALL
 
2013-08-18 11:19:57 AM

Tom_Slick: doglover: I don't see the crime here.

They didn't pay the government their cut, I mean taxes.


Ever hear of the Whiskey Rebellion? Civil Disobedience? The 18th Amendment/ Volstead Act?

Moonshining isn't a crime, it's a civic duty and an important part of the American way of life.

The officers who did this raid should all be demoted. There's real crime that needs busting.
 
2013-08-18 11:22:08 AM
Dnrtfa but have always been curious, why is it you can brew beer at home perfectly legal, but corn mash will get you raided.
 
2013-08-18 11:23:28 AM

No Time To Explain


hey, I'm only 24 and I got the reference

/darn tootin'!


You betcha!

www.deadredart.com
 
2013-08-18 11:25:05 AM

doglover: Tom_Slick: doglover: I don't see the crime here.

They didn't pay the government their cut, I mean taxes.

Ever hear of the Whiskey Rebellion? Civil Disobedience? The 18th Amendment/ Volstead Act?

Moonshining isn't a crime, it's a civic duty and an important part of the American way of life.

The officers who did this raid should all be demoted. There's real crime that needs busting.


Ever hear of Junior Johnson, Buddy Arrington the feds like to make an example of some to scare the others into hiding.
 
2013-08-18 11:25:44 AM

Gentoolive: Dnrtfa but have always been curious, why is it you can brew beer at home perfectly legal, but corn mash will get you raided.


Methanol.  It's not unheard of for some redneck with an operation in a shack in the woods to inadequately remove all the methanol, leading to blindness or death.  The worst that can happen with homebrew is contamination of the yeast.  Worst case scenario there is that it tastes bad.  It won't make you sick.
 
2013-08-18 11:27:58 AM

Gentoolive: Dnrtfa but have always been curious, why is it you can brew beer at home perfectly legal, but corn mash will get you raided.


You mess up beer or wine and it taste funny. You mess up distilling and you make poison. Pretty basic. Presumably you'd realize you screwed up your moonshine *before* distributing it though.

Methanol poisoning.

I'm not saying I'm for these guys getting 'busted', but there is reason behind this being illegal if unregulated. That said, it'd be nice for the FDA to put some kind of safety QC protocol in process that would allow these guys to operate legally as long as they safety test every batch or something.
 
2013-08-18 11:28:17 AM
Welcome to polk county, where the sheriff does a full press conference just because he busted 3 moonshiners. He's florida's version of joe arpaio, they don't even give you underwear when you go to jail now. Then again My side of the town was not to good and he cleaned it up, the guy does his job well.

/Joke here is come on vacation, leave on probation - the smallest infraction like a joint gives you a year probation if not more.
 
2013-08-18 11:28:49 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: Or we could use a less-ancient reference:
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Thank you, I thought to myself, could we be a little more relevant when reading the submission. Then once I RTFA and saw the line was FTA, I just felt sorry for the writer.
 
2013-08-18 11:28:58 AM

Tourney3p0: I have no problem with the regulation of liquor.  That shiat will make you go blind if you mess up even a little bit.


Eh, not really. You'd have to be drinking methanol on a fairly significant quantity to feel ill effects. A lot of the rmors of dangerous moonshine came around during Prohibition, when producers were only concerned with making booze in quantity, to maximize profits. Today, the home distiller is going to be more concerned with the quality of their product, and so any ill effects should be minimized, 'cause the stuff that makes you sick also tastes awful.

Or so I've heard.
 
2013-08-18 11:29:34 AM
Shouldn't that be Granny Moses, submitter? Granny's name was Daisy May Moses & she was Jed's mother-in-law. :-D
 
2013-08-18 11:31:09 AM

Gentoolive: Dnrtfa but have always been curious, why is it you can brew beer at home perfectly legal, but corn mash will get you raided.


Tax man hates all things good.
 
2013-08-18 11:31:28 AM
Tom_Slick:
They didn't pay the government their cut, I mean taxes.

Well, they sent  a Revenue man out there, but he never came back.
 
2013-08-18 11:32:30 AM
Damned revenuers.
 
2013-08-18 11:33:33 AM
Some of the stuff coming from guys like these is really amazing.
 
2013-08-18 11:33:45 AM
With 3 different shows about moonshiners NOT in the state of Florida on cable TV, how is this weird news?  Seems pretty mainstream to me.
 
2013-08-18 11:34:04 AM
Subby needs some Bennett discipline.


i116.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-18 11:34:46 AM

Gentoolive: Dnrtfa but have always been curious, why is it you can brew beer at home perfectly legal, but corn mash will get you raided.


Forget the methanol explanation, as distilling in 5 gallon batched can't make enough to worry about. Throw out the first few tablespoons of distillate and even that tiny risk goes away. No, the REAL reason these guys are in trouble is that they bypassed the tax man.

Don't EVAR not pay your taxes... ;^)
 
2013-08-18 11:35:32 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Shouldn't that be Granny Moses, submitter? Granny's name was Daisy May Moses & she was Jed's mother-in-law. :-D


Shhh, you'll confuse the Millennials writing for the Sun Sentinel.
 
2013-08-18 11:35:33 AM
detectives found a gun safe in the master bedroom

so farking what? you'd find one in most of the houses around here. often right out in the living-room. like they were prod of it and all.
 
2013-08-18 11:36:35 AM
Someone around here makes an apple pie shine. Holy hell that stuf is tasty.

I'd love to find more, but I don't want to spend time with the folks who know where to get it. But if that guy ever gets a license to distill I'll be a customer for life.
 
2013-08-18 11:36:37 AM

StrikitRich: With 3 different shows about moonshiners NOT in the state of Florida on cable TV, how is this weird news?  Seems pretty mainstream to me.


Make it more funny is few weeks ago other moonshiners were busted and not even in the news, one guy was african american too (judging by his mugshot the guy was on meth as well)
 
2013-08-18 11:36:43 AM
Moonshine is very much ingrained in the culture around here, and I can tell you that anyone who has a choice between moonshine and something else, will always take something else. Even homeless alcoholics will take MD 40/40 or Boone's Farm over moonshine. In this area, only teenagers with no other choice whatsoever buy it. Add all the flavoring crap you want to it - it's still watered down Everclear.

//my family never made it, but several uncles were on the distribution side back in the days before WWII
 
2013-08-18 11:37:26 AM
Gonz:

Eh, not really. You'd have to be drinking methanol on a fairly significant quantity to feel ill effects.

Yeah, you would.  And a fairly significant quantity is created in the production of moonshine.

Remember that ethanol boils at a higher temperature than methanol.  When you start the distillation process, what comes out at the beginning is almost pure methanol.  It takes about 10 mL to blind someone, and almost an entire pint of methanol is produced in a standard 10 gallon batch.

Granted, it's pretty easy to separate the good and the bad alcohols.  But why take the chance when you can already buy legal moonshine that has gone through a quality control process at any decent liquor store for like 7 bucks?
 
2013-08-18 11:37:47 AM
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Why does Sheriff Grady hate America?
 
2013-08-18 11:41:08 AM
Get a few pounds of malt extract and some Turbo Yeast. A 5 gal fermenting bucket and some heat tape.
5 days of bubbling will get you 35% without distillation. Low fusels, no methanol and few off-flavors as long as you sanitize.

Totally legal and potent.

Blame me for the hangover.
 
2013-08-18 11:42:28 AM

Tourney3p0: Gentoolive: Dnrtfa but have always been curious, why is it you can brew beer at home perfectly legal, but corn mash will get you raided.

Methanol.  It's not unheard of for some redneck with an operation in a shack in the woods to inadequately remove all the methanol, leading to blindness or death.  The worst that can happen with homebrew is contamination of the yeast.  Worst case scenario there is that it tastes bad.  It won't make you sick.


A bunch of GIs decided to make their own still during Desert Shield, and a few later went blind. Thank goodness we stuck to homemade wine (apple or grape juice, sugar and yeast) for our sneaky brewing. It tasted awful, but hey, 20-somethings who just wanna get they drink on aren't terribly picky about flavor.
 
2013-08-18 11:46:45 AM

StrikitRich: Bathia_Mapes: Shouldn't that be Granny Moses, submitter? Granny's name was Daisy May Moses & she was Jed's mother-in-law. :-D

Shhh, you'll confuse the Millennials writing for the Sun Sentinel.


Millennials? With jobs?

[unlikely]
 
2013-08-18 11:47:13 AM

fappomatic: Get a few pounds of malt extract and some Turbo Yeast. A 5 gal fermenting bucket and some heat tape.
5 days of bubbling will get you 35% without distillation. Low fusels, no methanol and few off-flavors as long as you sanitize.


It's hard to get above 12% and impossible to get above 15%.

/ran the still yesterday
//pay my quarterly excise tax
///own and operate a distillery outside of Tampa
 
2013-08-18 11:49:19 AM

WordyGrrl: Tourney3p0: Gentoolive: Dnrtfa but have always been curious, why is it you can brew beer at home perfectly legal, but corn mash will get you raided.

Methanol.  It's not unheard of for some redneck with an operation in a shack in the woods to inadequately remove all the methanol, leading to blindness or death.  The worst that can happen with homebrew is contamination of the yeast.  Worst case scenario there is that it tastes bad.  It won't make you sick.

A bunch of GIs decided to make their own still during Desert Shield, and a few later went blind. Thank goodness we stuck to homemade wine (apple or grape juice, sugar and yeast) for our sneaky brewing. It tasted awful, but hey, 20-somethings who just wanna get they drink on aren't terribly picky about flavor.


The Methanol risk is HIGHLY exaggerated. Orange juice has more methanol by volume than corn mash. Link

Those soldiers probably did the same dumb thing all shiat tier sellers of illicit brew do and cut the product with "denatured" alcohol or some other concentrated source of methanol.
 
2013-08-18 11:50:22 AM

LeeOfTampa: impossible to get above 15%.


Not with a champagne yeast.
 
2013-08-18 11:50:35 AM

scotty425: Tom_Slick:
They didn't pay the government their cut, I mean taxes.

Well, they sent  a Revenue man out there, but he never came bulbbulb

buy a hundred pounds of yeast and some copper line, everybody knew that he made moonshine.

/John Lee Pettimore
 
2013-08-18 11:52:40 AM
doglover:
The Methanol risk is HIGHLY exaggerated. Orange juice has more methanol by volume than corn mash. Link

Those soldiers probably did the same dumb thing all shiat tier sellers of illicit brew do and cut the product with "denatured" alcohol or some other concentrated source of methanol.


I don't know if you're trolling or what, but you're a fool if you think there is no methanol risk when running a still.

There absolutely is, and people absolutely can and will go blind or die if proper precautions are not taken.  This does not happen with orange juice, no matter how hard you try to convince yourself otherwise.

Seriously, reflect on your claim for a second.  Exactly what do you stand to gain from trying to spread this crap?
 
2013-08-18 11:53:29 AM
Regarding methanol in distilled liquor: The type of alcohol produced depends ENTIRELY on the source of the sugar being fermented. Fermenting grain? You'll get ethyl alcohol (aka ethanol, neutral grain spirts, grain alcohol etc) but if you use WOOD for the sugar, or any other type of cellulose, you'll end up with methanol (aka wood alcohol) which will cause the health effects that people worry about. There is NO methanol threat in moonshine production unless someone decided to use sawdust in place of proper sugar. The distillation process only serves to concentrate the alcohol, not to separate ethanol from methanol (which cannot be separated distillation at standard atmospheric pressure) which is why "denatured" alcohol is pure ethanol with a bit of methanol added -> it cannot be removed sufficiently to become safe to drink. There is a TRACE amount of methanol in alcohol fermented from certain types of fruit (grapes, for example) but the wine/brandy crowd seems to be doing quite well anyway. Normal human biochemistry experiences traces of methanol from the action of intestinal flora, and this is of no consequence to anyone. They don't need to QC check the liquor for methanol content, and I'd not hesitate to drink the moonshine if I had a source.
 
2013-08-18 11:58:19 AM

Tourney3p0: There absolutely is, and people absolutely can and will go blind or die if proper precautions are not taken


Do they?

I've never heard of a still that got people sick. It's always an unscrupulous idiot adding methanol.
 
2013-08-18 12:00:55 PM

Curious: detectives found a gun safe in the master bedroom

so farking what? you'd find one in most of the houses around here. often right out in the living-room. like they were prod of it and all.


Are you into the moonshine this early in the day or just illiterate?
 
2013-08-18 12:04:20 PM
Dang it, I knew there was a reason I felt strange today.  I'm sober.
 
2013-08-18 12:19:34 PM
the inability of anyone in this thread to agree on what the dangers are or are not in distilling and consuming moonshine is enough for me to know it isn't worth the risk.
 
2013-08-18 12:22:20 PM

baorao: the inability of anyone in this thread to agree on what the dangers are or are not in distilling and consuming moonshine is enough for me to know it isn't worth the risk.


Indeed, usual fark thread, everyone's a expert and everyone else's opinion is just nonsense.
 
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