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(Providence Journal)   Angry resident sets fire to new electronic toll collection equipment. RI relieved that the damages were not significant enough to stop their planned collection of ten cents starting Monday   ( divider line
    More: Weird, Sakonnet River, Rhode Island, Sakonnet River bridge, resident set, E-ZPass, equipment, Providence, Kentucky, collections  
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2013-08-18 11:23:57 AM  
2 votes:

( when have you ever heard of an area of shrinking resources, ever cutting civil servant wages/ politician wages/ or even the number of civil servants?)

Do you honestly believe that that hasn't been happening EVERYWHERE in the country during the recession?

Furloughs? The sequestration? Pay freezes that have stretched on for years? Fewer cops, firefighters, and suspended bridge maintenance? What about the hiring freezes? The massive lay offs of the public works departments? What about the museums going underfunded? The public universities budgets being slashed by 10-25% year after year?  Have you not heard of a single one of these events? Because that's what communities across the nation have been doing sense the recession hit.

Get your head out of the sand.
2013-08-18 01:00:55 PM  
1 vote:

marsoft: Are things different in the US?  In the UK government workers get paid less than those in the private sector.  Hell, if I did the same job I am doing now for the government I would probably have to take a 70% pay cut.

In the US, it greatly depends on what your profession and qualifications are and whether it it's state or federal employment. In federal employment, everyone with a pulse ends up earning $100k through seniority step increases by the time they're 40, but salaries are pretty much capped at $155k, so if you're in a highly lucrative profession like medicine, corporate law, or investment banking, you'll take a pay cut, engineers will earn about the same, and most of the "humanities" people make out like bandits. For state employment, the biggest determining factor is whether you're in a public union or not - firemen and police make insanely high wages through overtime and fixed-benefit pension compensation, but your average state employee isn't raking it in.
2013-08-18 12:36:20 PM  
1 vote:
Here is the thing.

Many people call taxation theft.  These same people also complain about tolls.  Now let us call a toll what it is, payment for using an asset.  In other words a toll is free enterprise, it is capitalism.

My position, you want to use something you have to pay for it one way or another.

The options are:
- Pay for it yourself
- Pay for it via taxation
- Pay for is via taxation (if you are local) and a toll to use it (flexibility here is that people outside of the taxation area pay also)

The comments regarding corruption and such are irrelevant as they would apply equally to a pure taxation model.
2013-08-18 12:26:30 PM  
1 vote:
A bit of context: the 10-cent toll is only a legal stop-gap measure to preserve the state's ability to collect tolls until a much larger toll goes into effect later in the year. So it's not just a 10-cent toll.

A further bit of context: An unholy trinity of organized labor, progressive social interest groups, and overtly corrupt Democrat politicians have been wrecking the economy and culture of Rhode Island for decades. Every year, businesses and productive individuals flee by the thousands in search of jobs and a better standard of living (Rhode Island is one of only two states that has been losing population) while illegal immigrants flood in to fill the void, lured by loosely administered, overly generous welfare benefits. The unemployment rate has been among the highest in the U.S. for 5 years running. You might have heard about the recent 38 Studios fiasco in which the politically appointed "experts" of state's central planning board invested $100 million of taxpayer money into Curt Schilling's video game company, which swiftly went bankrupt, losing the entire investment and dumping the company workforce onto RI unemployment. The Providence corporate tax rate is the highest in the U.S. The state has been ranked dead last for business two years running. A steady cycle of RI politicians is ferried off to Federal prison on corruption charges only to return to pick up where they left off several years later. So you can see why the shrinking productive class of the state - stuck in their financially underwater homes - has become increasing vocal and radicalized.

/Not the arsonist - left Rhode Island three years ago in disgust.
//Understands the frustration
2013-08-18 11:41:50 AM  
1 vote:
2013-08-18 11:38:25 AM  
1 vote:
The issue with this toll locally, is that this is a temporary toll for 6 months until a more permanent toll takes effect. In 6 months, the toll will be $5.25 for those without an EZ-Pass, $3.75 for those with out of state EZ-Passes and $0.75 locally. There is a large contingent of people who commute over this bridge daily. It goes to Newport, RI which is an island. The island now will have tolls on 2 of the 3 exits off the island with the one remaining exit not connected to a highway. While I don't mind the toll, many people who live on the island do, and are mad at having to pay the toll just to get to civilization. Also, Rhode Island is broke and can't maintain their bridges, so they have to pay for it somehow. The bridge that they just replaced was going to fall into the river, so the replacement was much needed.
2013-08-18 11:36:24 AM  
1 vote:
6 months from now the bridge will be sold to a campaign contributor who will promptly raise the toll to $5.
2013-08-18 11:04:09 AM  
1 vote:
Somebody's gonna have to go back and get a shiatlaod of dimes!
2013-08-18 11:03:43 AM  
1 vote:

edmo: After RTFA, it's clear why people are fired up. Instituted now, they've got the green light to raise the toll whenever to whatever and nothing can stop them, NOTHING!

Seriously, more and more taxes for what?

basically the civil servants wish to continue to be paid
even if the good wages that supported that in taxes have left

the only solution is to raise the cost of doing business further
(resulting in more businesses leaving)

( when have you ever heard of an area of shrinking resources, ever cutting civil servant wages/ politician wages/ or even the number of civil servants?)
2013-08-18 11:02:43 AM  
1 vote:

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: edmo: After RTFA, it's clear why people are fired up. Instituted now, they've got the green light to raise the toll whenever to whatever and nothing can stop them, NOTHING!

Seriously, more and more taxes for what?

Umm... bridge maintenance?

Nope, General Fund.
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