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(Providence Journal)   Angry resident sets fire to new electronic toll collection equipment. RI relieved that the damages were not significant enough to stop their planned collection of ten cents starting Monday   (providencejournal.com ) divider line
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2013-08-18 10:49:56 AM  
Problem: Getting upset over a new ten-cent bridge toll.
Solution: Burn down everything.

We're dealing with a genius here, folks.
 
2013-08-18 10:52:49 AM  
Probably easier than shooting all the politicians involved, but that would have been a better headline.
 
2013-08-18 10:56:11 AM  
Photo caption by ee cummings.
 
2013-08-18 10:57:58 AM  
After RTFA, it's clear why people are fired up. Instituted now, they've got the green light to raise the toll whenever to whatever and nothing can stop them, NOTHING!

Seriously, more and more taxes for what?
 
2013-08-18 10:58:44 AM  

edmo: After RTFA, it's clear why people are fired up. Instituted now, they've got the green light to raise the toll whenever to whatever and nothing can stop them, NOTHING!

Seriously, more and more taxes for what?


Umm... bridge maintenance?
 
2013-08-18 10:58:53 AM  

Molavian: Photo caption by ee cummings.


i184.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-18 10:59:53 AM  
There you go, Einstein...stick it to the man!
 
2013-08-18 11:02:43 AM  

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: edmo: After RTFA, it's clear why people are fired up. Instituted now, they've got the green light to raise the toll whenever to whatever and nothing can stop them, NOTHING!

Seriously, more and more taxes for what?

Umm... bridge maintenance?


Nope, General Fund.
 
2013-08-18 11:03:43 AM  

edmo: After RTFA, it's clear why people are fired up. Instituted now, they've got the green light to raise the toll whenever to whatever and nothing can stop them, NOTHING!

Seriously, more and more taxes for what?


basically the civil servants wish to continue to be paid
even if the good wages that supported that in taxes have left

the only solution is to raise the cost of doing business further
(resulting in more businesses leaving)

( when have you ever heard of an area of shrinking resources, ever cutting civil servant wages/ politician wages/ or even the number of civil servants?)
 
2013-08-18 11:04:09 AM  

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: edmo: After RTFA, it's clear why people are fired up. Instituted now, they've got the green light to raise the toll whenever to whatever and nothing can stop them, NOTHING!

Seriously, more and more taxes for what?

Umm... bridge maintenance?


Can't we just starve the poor to pay for maintenance?
 
2013-08-18 11:04:09 AM  
Somebody's gonna have to go back and get a shiatlaod of dimes!
 
2013-08-18 11:05:07 AM  
How many Rhode Islands can fit inside the toll booth?
 
2013-08-18 11:08:09 AM  
Sounds like here in Atlanta where Fulton county used to mess with the traffic signals on Johnson's Ferry to make it a pain for Cobb commuters.

Until someone emptied a 45 calibre gun into the control box.

Some grumbling later they stopped doing it.
 
2013-08-18 11:12:32 AM  
Recently installed cameras have recorded images of two suspects:
i171.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-18 11:15:29 AM  
DIAF, Tollbooth Willie, the dried up stinky, dicklicker. Piss on your dolla ninety-five
 
2013-08-18 11:16:12 AM  
dillanweems.com


*nods to skinink*
 
2013-08-18 11:17:55 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: Sounds like here in Atlanta where Fulton county used to mess with the traffic signals on Johnson's Ferry to make it a pain for Cobb commuters.

Until someone emptied a 45 calibre gun into the control box.

Some grumbling later they stopped doing it.


Yeah, toll roads have always struck me as fundamentally wrong.
 
2013-08-18 11:22:51 AM  
Glad to know these reporters can write that the bridge was NOT damaged.

//I mean really it was like 7 times that they'd said it, even twice in the same paragraph.
////loathes newspaper reporters.
 
2013-08-18 11:23:57 AM  
bindlestiff2600:

( when have you ever heard of an area of shrinking resources, ever cutting civil servant wages/ politician wages/ or even the number of civil servants?)

Do you honestly believe that that hasn't been happening EVERYWHERE in the country during the recession?

Furloughs? The sequestration? Pay freezes that have stretched on for years? Fewer cops, firefighters, and suspended bridge maintenance? What about the hiring freezes? The massive lay offs of the public works departments? What about the museums going underfunded? The public universities budgets being slashed by 10-25% year after year?  Have you not heard of a single one of these events? Because that's what communities across the nation have been doing sense the recession hit.

Get your head out of the sand.
 
2013-08-18 11:24:50 AM  
IDOT snickers @ the RI toll authority... $.10 is for pussies.

/2 seasons in IL, winter and road construction
 
2013-08-18 11:26:25 AM  
Looks like those crazy anti-government tea party types from the south are at it again. Oh, wait.
 
2013-08-18 11:29:24 AM  
Wait, it's 2013 and some states are still opening new toll booths? Huh...
 
2013-08-18 11:36:24 AM  
6 months from now the bridge will be sold to a campaign contributor who will promptly raise the toll to $5.
 
2013-08-18 11:38:25 AM  
The issue with this toll locally, is that this is a temporary toll for 6 months until a more permanent toll takes effect. In 6 months, the toll will be $5.25 for those without an EZ-Pass, $3.75 for those with out of state EZ-Passes and $0.75 locally. There is a large contingent of people who commute over this bridge daily. It goes to Newport, RI which is an island. The island now will have tolls on 2 of the 3 exits off the island with the one remaining exit not connected to a highway. While I don't mind the toll, many people who live on the island do, and are mad at having to pay the toll just to get to civilization. Also, Rhode Island is broke and can't maintain their bridges, so they have to pay for it somehow. The bridge that they just replaced was going to fall into the river, so the replacement was much needed.
 
2013-08-18 11:41:19 AM  

renetty: The issue with this toll locally, is that this is a temporary toll for 6 months until a more permanent toll takes effect. In 6 months, the toll will be $5.25 for those without an EZ-Pass, $3.75 for those with out of state EZ-Passes and $0.75 locally. There is a large contingent of people who commute over this bridge daily. It goes to Newport, RI which is an island. The island now will have tolls on 2 of the 3 exits off the island with the one remaining exit not connected to a highway. While I don't mind the toll, many people who live on the island do, and are mad at having to pay the toll just to get to civilization. Also, Rhode Island is broke and can't maintain their bridges, so they have to pay for it somehow. The bridge that they just replaced was going to fall into the river, so the replacement was much needed.


Rich people problems
 
2013-08-18 11:41:50 AM  
 
2013-08-18 11:42:13 AM  
memecrunch.com

You know what really grinds my gears?  Freakin' bridge tolls.
 
2013-08-18 11:45:51 AM  

emersonbiggins: renetty: The issue with this toll locally, is that this is a temporary toll for 6 months until a more permanent toll takes effect. In 6 months, the toll will be $5.25 for those without an EZ-Pass, $3.75 for those with out of state EZ-Passes and $0.75 locally. There is a large contingent of people who commute over this bridge daily. It goes to Newport, RI which is an island. The island now will have tolls on 2 of the 3 exits off the island with the one remaining exit not connected to a highway. While I don't mind the toll, many people who live on the island do, and are mad at having to pay the toll just to get to civilization. Also, Rhode Island is broke and can't maintain their bridges, so they have to pay for it somehow. The bridge that they just replaced was going to fall into the river, so the replacement was much needed.

Rich people problems


Yes partly. Most people who work and live on the island year round aren't rich though. It is actually quite lower middle class for the military and service industry folks.
 
2013-08-18 11:46:42 AM  

Dedmon: bindlestiff2600:

( when have you ever heard of an area of shrinking resources, ever cutting civil servant wages/ politician wages/ or even the number of civil servants?)

Do you honestly believe that that hasn't been happening EVERYWHERE in the country during the recession?

Furloughs? The sequestration? Pay freezes that have stretched on for years? Fewer cops, firefighters, and suspended bridge maintenance? What about the hiring freezes? The massive lay offs of the public works departments? What about the museums going underfunded? The public universities budgets being slashed by 10-25% year after year?  Have you not heard of a single one of these events? Because that's what communities across the nation have been doing sense the recession hit.

Get your head out of the sand.


I'm glad you didn't add that cutting said wages/jobs has the effect of further harming economies already harmed by the recession.
 
2013-08-18 11:46:43 AM  

bindlestiff2600: edmo: After RTFA, it's clear why people are fired up. Instituted now, they've got the green light to raise the toll whenever to whatever and nothing can stop them, NOTHING!

Seriously, more and more taxes for what?

basically the civil servants wish to continue to be paid
even if the good wages that supported that in taxes have left

the only solution is to raise the cost of doing business further
(resulting in more businesses leaving)

( when have you ever heard of an area of shrinking resources, ever cutting civil servant wages/ politician wages/ or even the number of civil servants?)


Are things different in the US?  In the UK government workers get paid less than those in the private sector.  Hell, if I did the same job I am doing now for the government I would probably have to take a 70% pay cut.
 
2013-08-18 11:50:02 AM  

renetty: The issue with this toll locally, is that this is a temporary toll for 6 months until a more permanent toll takes effect. In 6 months, the toll will be $5.25 for those without an EZ-Pass, $3.75 for those with out of state EZ-Passes and $0.75 locally. There is a large contingent of people who commute over this bridge daily. It goes to Newport, RI which is an island. The island now will have tolls on 2 of the 3 exits off the island with the one remaining exit not connected to a highway. While I don't mind the toll, many people who live on the island do, and are mad at having to pay the toll just to get to civilization. Also, Rhode Island is broke and can't maintain their bridges, so they have to pay for it somehow. The bridge that they just replaced was going to fall into the river, so the replacement was much needed.


Pretty much... The Old Sakonnet River Bridge was a horrific headline waiting to happen. Most of the grumbling I've heard about the toll is coming from folks in Tiverton, Middletown, and Portsmouth, who use the bridge daily to commute to work...

I live in Fall River, MA and work in West Greenwich, RI, so I go through Providence to get to work. Doesn't really effect me, but I can see why they're a little pissed off. Yeah, they needed a new bridge and it has to be paid for somehow, but the RI State Government is about as corrupt as they come, so someone's going to be making some cash out of the deal... and the roads still won't be maintained properly.

Having said that, went across the new bridge for the first time yesterday (went to a luau at Fort Adams) and it's a pretty sweet bridge.
 
2013-08-18 12:01:22 PM  

devine: TheGreatGazoo: Sounds like here in Atlanta where Fulton county used to mess with the traffic signals on Johnson's Ferry to make it a pain for Cobb commuters.

Until someone emptied a 45 calibre gun into the control box.

Some grumbling later they stopped doing it.

Yeah, toll roads have always struck me as fundamentally wrong.


There's no toll roads where I'm from. I met my first ones a couple weeks ago on holidays. (I90 through IL,IN,OH). From what I understand this one is privately run. The tolls (about $20 for all 3 states) were for maintenance, plowing, roadside help, etc... Basically apay-per-use system which since there are other options if you dont like tolls, works fine.

Anyone from the area let me know if i'm wrong.
 
2013-08-18 12:07:55 PM  

hitmanric: devine: TheGreatGazoo: Sounds like here in Atlanta where Fulton county used to mess with the traffic signals on Johnson's Ferry to make it a pain for Cobb commuters.

Until someone emptied a 45 calibre gun into the control box.

Some grumbling later they stopped doing it.

Yeah, toll roads have always struck me as fundamentally wrong.

There's no toll roads where I'm from. I met my first ones a couple weeks ago on holidays. (I90 through IL,IN,OH). From what I understand this one is privately run. The tolls (about $20 for all 3 states) were for maintenance, plowing, roadside help, etc... Basically apay-per-use system which since there are other options if you dont like tolls, works fine.

Anyone from the area let me know if i'm wrong.


Toll roads become a problem where there is no alternative.  Islands for instance. If every road off the island is a toll road there is no alternative.

Mind you, someone has to pay for the roads, so there are two alternatives, taxes pay for them completely, in which case many people who don't use them pay for them, and of course many people who don't pay for them use them.

The alternative is a toll, so those who use them pay for them; but to be honest in most cases, this only pays for a small part of the maintenance.
 
2013-08-18 12:09:12 PM  
So was the bridge damaged?
 
2013-08-18 12:09:39 PM  
"Welcome to RI, bring dimes" is still a lot better than "Welcome to Florida, bring quarters". Tolls are fine - it's the unattended coins only exits around Orlando that are a flaming PITA when you visit there for work.
 
2013-08-18 12:10:26 PM  

marsoft: The alternative is a toll, so those who use them pay for them; but to be honest in most cases, this only pays for a small part of the maintenance.


You're assuming they actual do stuff like maintain the bridge rather than buy off the road crew unions, ignore things like funding their pension plan, and then stick the taxpayer with the bills.
 
2013-08-18 12:12:16 PM  
johnryan51 [TotalFark]

Can't we just starve the poor to pay for maintenance?

Yeah, that's the problem with america. All those starving po people
ftpcontent.worldnow.com
 
2013-08-18 12:14:25 PM  

hitmanric: devine: TheGreatGazoo: Sounds like here in Atlanta where Fulton county used to mess with the traffic signals on Johnson's Ferry to make it a pain for Cobb commuters.

Until someone emptied a 45 calibre gun into the control box.

Some grumbling later they stopped doing it.

Yeah, toll roads have always struck me as fundamentally wrong.

There's no toll roads where I'm from. I met my first ones a couple weeks ago on holidays. (I90 through IL,IN,OH). From what I understand this one is privately run. The tolls (about $20 for all 3 states) were for maintenance, plowing, roadside help, etc... Basically apay-per-use system which since there are other options if you dont like tolls, works fine.

Anyone from the area let me know if i'm wrong.


The Indiana stretch was leased for 75 years to a foreign business consortium who fired all the till collectors and gave the legislators free passes. Sure the legislators gave back the free passes, but it is purely a for-profit enterprise now.
 
2013-08-18 12:14:33 PM  

legion_of_doo: marsoft: The alternative is a toll, so those who use them pay for them; but to be honest in most cases, this only pays for a small part of the maintenance.

You're assuming they actual do stuff like maintain the bridge rather than buy off the road crew unions, ignore things like funding their pension plan, and then stick the taxpayer with the bills.


Well with the toll system, at least the toll payer contributes something to the corruption/apathy rather than just the local tax payers.
 
2013-08-18 12:16:09 PM  
Farking savages.
 
2013-08-18 12:19:22 PM  
More people should probably voice their displeasure this way.   In more states.
 
2013-08-18 12:21:49 PM  

netcentric: More people should probably voice their displeasure this way.   In more states.


Yes, because causing property damage that has to be paid for from taxation that is already higher than acceptable is a good solution.
 
2013-08-18 12:25:11 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Sounds like here in Atlanta where Fulton county used to mess with the traffic signals on Johnson's Ferry to make it a pain for Cobb commuters.

Until someone emptied a 45 calibre gun into the control box.

Some grumbling later they stopped doing it.


Interesting solution. Here in RI we're a little too densely settled to get away with that. But whoever did this was a moron. Were it me, I would have simply STOLEN the controller. You could have great fun with it if you knew what you were doing.
 
2013-08-18 12:26:30 PM  
A bit of context: the 10-cent toll is only a legal stop-gap measure to preserve the state's ability to collect tolls until a much larger toll goes into effect later in the year. So it's not just a 10-cent toll.

A further bit of context: An unholy trinity of organized labor, progressive social interest groups, and overtly corrupt Democrat politicians have been wrecking the economy and culture of Rhode Island for decades. Every year, businesses and productive individuals flee by the thousands in search of jobs and a better standard of living (Rhode Island is one of only two states that has been losing population) while illegal immigrants flood in to fill the void, lured by loosely administered, overly generous welfare benefits. The unemployment rate has been among the highest in the U.S. for 5 years running. You might have heard about the recent 38 Studios fiasco in which the politically appointed "experts" of state's central planning board invested $100 million of taxpayer money into Curt Schilling's video game company, which swiftly went bankrupt, losing the entire investment and dumping the company workforce onto RI unemployment. The Providence corporate tax rate is the highest in the U.S. The state has been ranked dead last for business two years running. A steady cycle of RI politicians is ferried off to Federal prison on corruption charges only to return to pick up where they left off several years later. So you can see why the shrinking productive class of the state - stuck in their financially underwater homes - has become increasing vocal and radicalized.

/Not the arsonist - left Rhode Island three years ago in disgust.
//Understands the frustration
 
2013-08-18 12:27:00 PM  

keylock71: Rhode Island has mellowed with age : )

[www.pawtuxetcove.com image 299x232]


Well done, key :)
___________________

This is RI. I'm very sure 5-10% of that toll money might actually make it to bridge repair and maintenance.
The rest will end up in somebody's and a few of their friends pockets.
 
2013-08-18 12:30:00 PM  

Primitive Screwhead: keylock71: Rhode Island has mellowed with age : )

[www.pawtuxetcove.com image 299x232]

Well done, key :)
___________________

This is RI. I'm very sure 5-10% of that toll money might actually make it to bridge repair and maintenance.
The rest will end up in somebody's and a few of their friends pockets.


So a much better percentage than from taxation then?  Yes I know not all the tax would go to the bridges as there are other things for tax to pay for.  I am talking about the whole pot.
 
2013-08-18 12:36:20 PM  
Here is the thing.

Many people call taxation theft.  These same people also complain about tolls.  Now let us call a toll what it is, payment for using an asset.  In other words a toll is free enterprise, it is capitalism.

My position, you want to use something you have to pay for it one way or another.

The options are:
- Pay for it yourself
- Pay for it via taxation
- Pay for is via taxation (if you are local) and a toll to use it (flexibility here is that people outside of the taxation area pay also)

The comments regarding corruption and such are irrelevant as they would apply equally to a pure taxation model.
 
2013-08-18 01:00:55 PM  

marsoft: Are things different in the US?  In the UK government workers get paid less than those in the private sector.  Hell, if I did the same job I am doing now for the government I would probably have to take a 70% pay cut.


In the US, it greatly depends on what your profession and qualifications are and whether it it's state or federal employment. In federal employment, everyone with a pulse ends up earning $100k through seniority step increases by the time they're 40, but salaries are pretty much capped at $155k, so if you're in a highly lucrative profession like medicine, corporate law, or investment banking, you'll take a pay cut, engineers will earn about the same, and most of the "humanities" people make out like bandits. For state employment, the biggest determining factor is whether you're in a public union or not - firemen and police make insanely high wages through overtime and fixed-benefit pension compensation, but your average state employee isn't raking it in.
 
2013-08-18 01:09:46 PM  

marsoft: Are things different in the US?  In the UK government workers get paid less than those in the private sector.  Hell, if I did the same job I am doing now for the government I would probably have to take a 70% pay cut.


In the US a "public servant" will be paid a salary comparable to that in the private sector and have benefits that are unmatched in the private sector.
 
2013-08-18 01:12:02 PM  

jigger: marsoft: Are things different in the US?  In the UK government workers get paid less than those in the private sector.  Hell, if I did the same job I am doing now for the government I would probably have to take a 70% pay cut.

In the US a "public servant" will be paid a salary comparable to that in the private sector and have benefits that are unmatched in the private sector.


Not sure if I should say that sucks on the benefits, or that is great on the equal pay.
 
2013-08-18 01:13:01 PM  
Repeal it, let the infrastructure fall down around us.

Tired of you sheep & tired of their systems they put in place to keep their pockets lined.

Same problem really, I say cut the heads off if they don't preform.
 
2013-08-18 01:15:54 PM  

RightToWork: marsoft: Are things different in the US?  In the UK government workers get paid less than those in the private sector.  Hell, if I did the same job I am doing now for the government I would probably have to take a 70% pay cut.

In the US, it greatly depends on what your profession and qualifications are and whether it it's state or federal employment. In federal employment, everyone with a pulse ends up earning $100k through seniority step increases by the time they're 40, but salaries are pretty much capped at $155k, so if you're in a highly lucrative profession like medicine, corporate law, or investment banking, you'll take a pay cut, engineers will earn about the same, and most of the "humanities" people make out like bandits. For state employment, the biggest determining factor is whether you're in a public union or not - firemen and police make insanely high wages through overtime and fixed-benefit pension compensation, but your average state employee isn't raking it in.


Capped at $155,000 so £99,999 but starting at $100,000 so £63,900?

Seems like the low end is high and the high end is low, strange system.  At least in the UK the low end is low and the high end is low.
 
2013-08-18 01:20:58 PM  
There are tolls that mostly rely on cameras to do the tolls. A 3% error rate(people who never drove near the tolls) was easily fixed by banning people from disputing the fraud toll in a court of law and forcing people to dispute with the company collecting the toll, which of course ends badly for the victim.

/people getting the transponder for future tracking by the police.
//Just need to eliminate that 'beep' of the unit being read in places where no toll exists.

pay per use hov lane. cost changes per time of day
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-18 01:36:49 PM  

Fano: DIAF, Tollbooth Willie, the dried up stinky, dicklicker. Piss on your dolla ninety-five


Came in here not expecting to see an Adam Sandler toll booth Willie reference. Leaving satisfied and remembering why I love Fark.
 
2013-08-18 01:59:49 PM  

skinink: Somebody's gonna have to go back and get a shiatlaod of dimes!


I had to wait half a page for that to show up?
 
2013-08-18 02:22:31 PM  

edmo: After RTFA, it's clear why people are fired up. Instituted now, they've got the green light to raise the toll whenever to whatever and nothing can stop them, NOTHING!

Seriously, more and more taxes for what?


Keeping the bridge up and keeping it from falling in the river..?

Although I applaud this bootstrappy freeloader who apparently thinks everyone else deserves to pay for road/bridge maintenance but him.
 
2013-08-18 02:42:30 PM  
Rhode Islander here.

The whole "point" of the toll, if you can call it that, is to provide a source of funding for the RI Bridge & Turnpike Authority, a newish quasi-public agency tasked with actually spending the toll revenue on actually maintaining the bridges.

The head of the group recently said that if the 10-cent toll doesn't generate enough money quickly enough, control over the bridges would revert back to the state -- which, based on the history of the Sakonnet Bridge [left to rot until nearly fatal, as previously noted], would potentially be the greater evil.

The resident grief over the toll is basically RI parochialism blinding folks to the long-term value of having money [kept out of the General Assembly's hands, at least directly] to maintain bridges before they need repaid instead of having to replace them wholesale when they're crumbling.

There's also a very real thread of East Bay Republicans angry at "off-island" Democrats upstate coloring this whole thing.

/RI is like 40-by-60-mi.
//proximity breeds more contempt, not less.
 
2013-08-18 02:42:57 PM  

RightToWork: A bit of context: the 10-cent toll is only a legal stop-gap measure to preserve the state's ability to collect tolls until a much larger toll goes into effect later in the year. So it's not just a 10-cent toll.

A further bit of context: An unholy trinity of organized labor, progressive social interest groups, and overtly corrupt Democrat politicians have been wrecking the economy and culture of Rhode Island for decades. Every year, businesses and productive individuals flee by the thousands in search of jobs and a better standard of living (Rhode Island is one of only two states that has been losing population) while illegal immigrants flood in to fill the void, lured by loosely administered, overly generous welfare benefits. The unemployment rate has been among the highest in the U.S. for 5 years running. You might have heard about the recent 38 Studios fiasco in which the politically appointed "experts" of state's central planning board invested $100 million of taxpayer money into Curt Schilling's video game company, which swiftly went bankrupt, losing the entire investment and dumping the company workforce onto RI unemployment. The Providence corporate tax rate is the highest in the U.S. The state has been ranked dead last for business two years running. A steady cycle of RI politicians is ferried off to Federal prison on corruption charges only to return to pick up where they left off several years later. So you can see why the shrinking productive class of the state - stuck in their financially underwater homes - has become increasing vocal and radicalized.

/Not the arsonist - left Rhode Island three years ago in disgust.
//Understands the frustration


A bit further on this: They actually said recently that if you don't have an EZ-Pass transponder, you were on an honor system to send in your dime.

Think about that for a second.  Number one, if you aren't a local, like, say, most of the Boston area types heading to Newport the easy way, you'll have no idea about it, and if you're a local without a transponder, no one is telling you to do it.  Number two, think about the money going into processing the dime fee for the bridge (postage, handling, processing, etc.), and realize that they were going to do this on a mandatory basis until they realized how dumb it was.

And yes, they do want to put a real toll to get onto the island eventually, but as Rhode Islanders from pretty much all of Newport & Bristol Counties are right to point out, that means you're going to overload the Mount Hope Bridge - which, oh btw, removed their tolls fifteen years ago and aren't allowed to replace them - and anyplace on Route 114 (the road that takes the Mount Hope) with people looking to skip the toll.  Tiverton folks would lose their shiat over that part, as a large chunk of the project involved inconveniencing them for years with random closures/remodels/etc, even moreso than the Portsmouth residents on the island side of the bridge.

It's essentially yet another monumental clusterfark of a public works situation in a state notorious for never having their shiat together on such projects.

\lives 15 minutes from the bridge, but thankfully not in RI
\\very familiar with the entire situation
 
2013-08-18 02:43:41 PM  
Oops, I meant "before they need repair."
 
2013-08-18 04:28:34 PM  

keylock71: Having said that, went across the new bridge for the first time yesterday (went to a luau at Fort Adams) and it's a pretty sweet bridge.


Not to threadjack...but my cousin went to that and said they left within 20 minutes because it wasn't really a luau.  Thoughts?
 
2013-08-18 06:51:26 PM  
I am with the protesters on this one.  Maintenance of bridges, roadways, etc is already being covered by registration/license fees and by the ridiculously high taxes we already pay.  This is an "above and beyond" money grab.  Unfortunately the greed of government knows no bounds.
 
2013-08-18 07:52:04 PM  
A slight tangent from the main conversation, but who's going to organize the RI Fark party?

/just outside Roger Williams Park
 
2013-08-18 09:08:48 PM  

marsoft: Here is the thing.

Many people call taxation theft.  These same people also complain about tolls.  Now let us call a toll what it is, payment for using an asset.  In other words a toll is free enterprise, it is capitalism.

My position, you want to use something you have to pay for it one way or another.

The options are:
- Pay for it yourself
- Pay for it via taxation
- Pay for is via taxation (if you are local) and a toll to use it (flexibility here is that people outside of the taxation area pay also)

The comments regarding corruption and such are irrelevant as they would apply equally to a pure taxation model.


The problem here is that the tolls are going to the General Fund, which is not connected to maintenance. If toll roads were private roads built with private money, that would be one thing. If the tolls collected were specifically allocated to the roads/bridges tolled that would be another thing. The problem is that we have neither of those models. We have (in many cases) public roads, built with public money, collecting tolls either for a foreign corporation, or for the General Fund. For example, here in Texas, we pay a gas tax for road maintenance. This tax did not go down when we sold most of our toll roads to the Sintra corporation. We voted against toll roads here in Austin. The city council basically said, "Whoops, we thought you were going to vote for them, and we've already sold them, so too bad." This is not analogous to any of your situations, which would, admittedly, be better than what we have.
 
2013-08-18 10:12:56 PM  

FriarReb98: keylock71: Having said that, went across the new bridge for the first time yesterday (went to a luau at Fort Adams) and it's a pretty sweet bridge.

Not to threadjack...but my cousin went to that and said they left within 20 minutes because it wasn't really a luau.  Thoughts?


More like a big cook out... There was no pig on a spit or polynesian dancers and the like. a tad disappointing, but I got the tickets for free, the beer was good (All Newport Storm) and it was good people watching.

Gave me a chance to get some shots of the sunset, too.

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