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(Anchorage Daily News)   Since it works so well for the phone companies, power companies are going to start offering customers free nights, free weekends and pre-paid plans   (adn.com) divider line 36
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2013-08-18 03:00:53 AM
This won't get ugly at all.
 
2013-08-18 04:46:42 AM
Unlike phones, power is an essential service. If you turn it off, people will die.
 
2013-08-18 05:02:35 AM
This is basically how it works here in Belgium. It sucks!
 
2013-08-18 07:00:03 AM
Free nights?  If this applies to companies, there will be a lot more pressure to have major equipment running on second shift.
 
2013-08-18 08:11:34 AM
So what is preventing me from charging a bank of batteries on my free nights and weekends and powering my house off of those during pay hours?
 
2013-08-18 08:26:47 AM

Faps_in_the_kitchen: So what is preventing me from charging a bank of batteries on my free nights and weekends and powering my house off of those during pay hours?


Battery prices
 
2013-08-18 08:37:09 AM
One thing I know is that it will not be cheaper.
 
2013-08-18 08:38:28 AM
I find it hard to believe that if this becomes popular at all, that nights or weekends are going to remain as an option.  I can see Tuesday from 10am-4pm...
 
2013-08-18 08:53:39 AM
This isn't news for corporate buildings, etc.  For example, the power company provides big discounts for my client's business to run the building on generator for afternoons when it's really hot.
 
2013-08-18 08:54:08 AM

Ishkur: Unlike phones, power is an essential service. If you turn it off, people will die.


Never stopped the insurance companies.
 
2013-08-18 09:20:00 AM

RedPhoenix122: Ishkur: Unlike phones, power is an essential service. If you turn it off, people will die.

Never stopped the insurance companies.


That's because unlike power, insurance is free market. And the bottom line is more important than people.
 
2013-08-18 09:33:21 AM
I've been on a pre-paid power plan before.  If you have a smart meter, they offer weekly/daily/hourly reads of your power usage.  We never got anything like that from Reliant, Green Mountain, or TXU. It was really helpful.


The cost proved to not be much different than a monthly plan, but we were able to feed in money weekly when everyone got paid, and prevented us from having to cover a shortfall when the other party spent bill money on other shiat, which was prone to happen if they sat on the money too long, and they refused to let us hold the money because they assumed we'd spend it elsewhere.
 
2013-08-18 09:39:58 AM
I hope they add some roaming charges, just for the lulz.
 
2013-08-18 10:09:28 AM
I'm on time-of-use and it's cut more than 50% off of my bills. I pre-cool or heat the house at night and turn on the clothes dryer (when needed) just before going to sleep.
 
2013-08-18 10:36:38 AM

Lost Thought 00: Faps_in_the_kitchen: So what is preventing me from charging a bank of batteries on my free nights and weekends and powering my house off of those during pay hours?

Battery prices


Batteries are cost effective to cover a small portion of the day to avoid the peak prices, which account for a significant chunk of the monthly power cost. The real way to beat the system is there for those who have the space/funds to use the free energy to store and generate energy in a way that the power company is required to buy it back. E.g. pump water uphill at night and run a turbine during the day.
 
2013-08-18 10:57:33 AM
Guys, of CORSE big consumers will use more power overnight, that's the point of differential pricing on meters.

Most electrical generation has a base load that they are going to produce when they are operating for technical reasons.  Your car does not run at 15 RPM when all you have on is the lights and radio, it idles much higher and wastes the power not used.

On the other side of the scale, ramping up a system to peak load tends to be relatively expensive per kWh, and may actually cost the utility more than it makes.  If the utility can convince us to use more power when they are throwing it away, and less power when it costs them more per kWh to produce, we all win.
 
2013-08-18 11:14:41 AM
In South Africa you can buy prepaid power cards at convenience stores and stick them in your meter.
 
2013-08-18 12:01:07 PM
If this comes to KY I'm definitely going free nights and buying solar panels.  Basically when I priced it out I had to get a pretty huge system to create excess during the day so I would have credits at night or in the winter to draw down on.  If I could go with a free nights plan and use solar during the day I'd basically be just paying a little over minimum service fees and connection fees (probably still a lot)
 
2013-08-18 12:24:31 PM
Where I live - I get free water.

I tried to estimate how much electricity I could generate by leaving my sink on 24/7 and having it spin a turbine...but then I realized I'm not very smart.  But still - free water.
 
2013-08-18 01:53:57 PM
They've had these kind of plans around here for about a year now. It's all just a gimmick anyway, jack up the prices during the day and give free nights, I'd rather just have one competitive rate 24/7.

About once a month I get a knock on the door from some idiot trying to get me to switch electric companies and wanting to explain the newest hair brained plan they're pushing. I've gotten to where I don't bother opening the door for them anymore, I'll look out the window, hold up one finger like I want them to wait a minute and go back to what I was doing. It's funny how long some of them stand there.
 
2013-08-18 02:05:02 PM

ReapTheChaos: They've had these kind of plans around here for about a year now. It's all just a gimmick anyway, jack up the prices during the day and give free nights, I'd rather just have one competitive rate 24/7.

About once a month I get a knock on the door from some idiot trying to get me to switch electric companies and wanting to explain the newest hair brained plan they're pushing. I've gotten to where I don't bother opening the door for them anymore, I'll look out the window, hold up one finger like I want them to wait a minute and go back to what I was doing. It's funny how long some of them stand there.


I wasn't selling power, but U-verse is about as horrible.  I was doing the door-to-door thing for a short stint, and I had someone do what you did, act like they'll be right back.  I'm out there sweating my ass off in July heat for 15 minutes, then I give up and left a knob hanger.

I hated that job, and I sucked at it.  I couldn't sell water to a man dying of thirst.  The only good part was dealing with some former and very unhappy customers, letting them vent, then showing them how to get better results next time, as I had worked the Uverse back end and was aware of the policies.  If anything, I gave these people how'd been denied satisfaction the tools to get that satisfaction.
 
2013-08-18 02:07:40 PM
They've already started where I live. I'm sure they don't save anyone money.
 
2013-08-18 02:18:10 PM
My power company is offering a one-time $20 credit if they can turn off my air conditioners remotely during summer days when the area's power use spikes.

How about 'no'?
 
2013-08-18 03:11:54 PM
This is great news for people who have illicit marijuana grow operations hidden in their basements.
 
2013-08-18 03:39:08 PM
Thanks but no on any of these schemes that don't ever seem to save anybody any money. My power company offers time of use, but the meter fee is higher every month ($14 vs $7), the off peak rate is higher than the normal rate (0.12/kWH vs 0.109 for the first 600). I like my socialist, approved by the PRC rates just fine.

As far as time of use goes, the only big energy user in the house is the AC unit, and, well, it runs during peak hours because that happens to be when it is hottest. My dryer and water heater are gas, as it should be for anybody that has that option (higher initial appliance price, but payoff in cost of use savings around here is about 4 months).
 
2013-08-18 03:42:49 PM
it's a trap.jpg
 
2013-08-18 03:50:50 PM

Saberus Terras: ReapTheChaos: They've had these kind of plans around here for about a year now. It's all just a gimmick anyway, jack up the prices during the day and give free nights, I'd rather just have one competitive rate 24/7.

About once a month I get a knock on the door from some idiot trying to get me to switch electric companies and wanting to explain the newest hair brained plan they're pushing. I've gotten to where I don't bother opening the door for them anymore, I'll look out the window, hold up one finger like I want them to wait a minute and go back to what I was doing. It's funny how long some of them stand there.

I wasn't selling power, but U-verse is about as horrible.  I was doing the door-to-door thing for a short stint, and I had someone do what you did, act like they'll be right back.  I'm out there sweating my ass off in July heat for 15 minutes, then I give up and left a knob hanger.

I hated that job, and I sucked at it.  I couldn't sell water to a man dying of thirst.  The only good part was dealing with some former and very unhappy customers, letting them vent, then showing them how to get better results next time, as I had worked the Uverse back end and was aware of the policies.  If anything, I gave these people how'd been denied satisfaction the tools to get that satisfaction.


Sorry to laugh at your misfortune, but that's some funny shiat right there. I know times are tough and people will do anything for a paycheck, but I hate people doing door-to-door as much as I do phone solicitors. Hopefully you've found a better line of work.
 
2013-08-18 04:13:50 PM

ReapTheChaos: Saberus Terras: ReapTheChaos: They've had these kind of plans around here for about a year now. It's all just a gimmick anyway, jack up the prices during the day and give free nights, I'd rather just have one competitive rate 24/7.

About once a month I get a knock on the door from some idiot trying to get me to switch electric companies and wanting to explain the newest hair brained plan they're pushing. I've gotten to where I don't bother opening the door for them anymore, I'll look out the window, hold up one finger like I want them to wait a minute and go back to what I was doing. It's funny how long some of them stand there.

I wasn't selling power, but U-verse is about as horrible.  I was doing the door-to-door thing for a short stint, and I had someone do what you did, act like they'll be right back.  I'm out there sweating my ass off in July heat for 15 minutes, then I give up and left a knob hanger.

I hated that job, and I sucked at it.  I couldn't sell water to a man dying of thirst.  The only good part was dealing with some former and very unhappy customers, letting them vent, then showing them how to get better results next time, as I had worked the Uverse back end and was aware of the policies.  If anything, I gave these people how'd been denied satisfaction the tools to get that satisfaction.

Sorry to laugh at your misfortune, but that's some funny shiat right there. I know times are tough and people will do anything for a paycheck, but I hate people doing door-to-door as much as I do phone solicitors. Hopefully you've found a better line of work.


I did.  Still deal with assholes and bullshiat, but I'm no longer at the mercy of angry consumers.
 
2013-08-18 05:17:25 PM
That


will


never

happen.

you heard it here first.
 
2013-08-18 05:18:22 PM

Dracolich: Free nights?  If this applies to companies, there will be a lot more pressure to have major equipment running on second shift.



that'll work great for the employees.  they love working 10 pm to 8 am.
 
2013-08-18 05:21:24 PM
if you think Banks/credit cards/insurance companies have been giving your ass a good plowing, wait until your power company joins in on the action.  they are hot and ready for ya'.


stay tuned, Freedom lovers.
 
2013-08-18 05:23:30 PM

Oreamnos: it's a trap.jpg



lol
 
2013-08-18 05:24:11 PM

Ishkur: Unlike phones, power is an essential service. If you turn it off, people will die.



now, if we could just get the right people to die, it would be a winner!
 
2013-08-18 05:25:14 PM

Faps_in_the_kitchen: So what is preventing me from charging a bank of batteries on my free nights and weekends and powering my house off of those during pay hours?



what is preventing you?

the small clause in the contract you signed.

the LARGE PRINT giveth, and the small print taketh away.
 
2013-08-18 09:43:42 PM

Faps_in_the_kitchen: So what is preventing me from charging a bank of batteries on my free nights and weekends and powering my house off of those during pay hours?


Nothing right now, but within 5 to 10 years instead of the utility paying you retail prices they will be paying wholesale when you pump power into the grid and the economics won't be nearly as viable.
 
2013-08-19 07:00:50 AM

Linux_Yes: Dracolich: Free nights?  If this applies to companies, there will be a lot more pressure to have major equipment running on second shift.


that'll work great for the employees.  they love working 10 pm to 8 am.


Shiat, I'll have one of those. I'd absolutely love a good-paying third shift job.
 
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