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(Chron)   "Texas has literally made the decision that protecting its bacon is more important than protecting prisoner's lives"   (chron.com) divider line 191
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2013-08-18 01:11:58 AM  
In Soviet Texas, criminals are the swine and pigs are the human, or something
 
2013-08-18 01:13:46 AM  
envirodad.com
 
2013-08-18 01:19:24 AM  
It's called "protecting your constituents."
 
2013-08-18 01:31:28 AM  
Why shouldn't the COPS get air condition?
 
2013-08-18 02:04:28 AM  
"TDCJ has literally made the decision that protecting its bacon is more important than protecting human lives," Medlock said.

It's called priorities and yes protecting bacon is worth human lives. Many soldiers would gladly make that sacrifice when the war with the vegans came.

But prisoners? Prisons are supposed to be dank holes underground. They should be dealing with moisture, chill, and vitamin D issues, not heat. Get with the program, Texas.
 
2013-08-18 02:53:43 AM  
The article says that the pigs are being raised for consumption by the inmates.  If I were in prison that'd be a tough call - do I want air conditioning, or pork?
 
2013-08-18 03:28:55 AM  
So there's just 1 prisoner with multiple lives?

/prisoner is a cat?
//apostrophe goes after the s, subby.
 
2013-08-18 03:33:41 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: The article says that the pigs are being raised for consumption by the inmates.  If I were in prison that'd be a tough call - do I want air conditioning, or pork?


I can live without air conditioning....
 
2013-08-18 04:03:46 AM  
Pigs do not have porous skin. Pigs cannot sweat. So, yes, the pig pens are climate controlled while the prison population sweats, because unlike the pigs, it doesn't kill them.
 
2013-08-18 04:44:39 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: The article says that the pigs are being raised for consumption by the inmates.  If I were in prison that'd be a tough call - do I want air conditioning, or pork?




You say that as if there is life without bacon.

/They may be criminals, but they are still men.
 
2013-08-18 04:49:58 AM  
cdn.pjmedia.com

Texas born and raised.

The only bad part is the fact the prisoners get to consume the pigs - they should be sending the bacon to the public for little to no cost.  Why? Because fark em' that's why.
 
2013-08-18 04:59:03 AM  

danielscissorhands: So there's just 1 prisoner with multiple lives?

/prisoner is a cat?
//apostrophe goes after the s, subby.


Subby finally gets a hassle-free use of the word "literally" and you have to rain on his parade. Sheesh.
 
2013-08-18 04:59:33 AM  
literally
 
2013-08-18 05:00:01 AM  
World's tinyest violin, chain em up and make em bust rocks from sunup to sundown
 
2013-08-18 05:01:20 AM  

MREbomber: Pigs do not have porous skin. Pigs cannot sweat. So, yes, the pig pens are climate controlled while the prison population sweats, because unlike the pigs, it doesn't kill them.


I think the outrage is that yes, in fact it is killing them. Guards too.

That said, I bet if we polled the prisoners with the following:

Which would you rather have: AC in your cell or bacon in your meals?


The pigs would still get the AC.
 
2013-08-18 05:10:11 AM  

accelerus: [cdn.pjmedia.com image 379x214]

Texas born and raised.

The only bad part is the fact the prisoners get to consume the pigs - they should be sending the bacon to the public for little to no cost.  Why? Because fark em' that's why.


You don't care if prisoners die from extreme heat, and you don't want them eating your bacon! I commend your compassion! I mean, they're only prisoners, not like they're human beings am I right?
 
2013-08-18 05:12:03 AM  

cman: In Soviet Texas, criminals are the swine and pigs are the human, or something


Came here to berate subby for an Animal Farm headline missed, see you kinda have it covered.

WHAT A farkING WASTE SUBSTER!!!
 
2013-08-18 05:12:30 AM  

cman: In Soviet Texas, criminals are the swine and pigs are the human, or something


In capitalist America, bacon fry YOU.
 
2013-08-18 05:14:44 AM  

accelerus: [cdn.pjmedia.com image 379x214]

Texas born and raised.

The only bad part is the fact the prisoners get to consume the pigs - they should be sending the bacon to the public for little to no cost.  Why? Because fark em' that's why.




No ac for prisoners I'm ok with. Denying them bacon is ok also. The problem I have with your idea is selling the bacon to the public. If I was a pig farmer I would not be able to compete with prison labor bacon. Give to food pantries instead.
 
2013-08-18 05:15:04 AM  
TuteTibiImperes:

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"Do I want air conditioning, or pork?"


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-18 05:16:25 AM  

bbfreak: You don't care if prisoners die from extreme heat, and you don't want them eating your bacon! I commend your compassion! I mean, they're only prisoners, not like they're human beings am I right?


well that depends on the crime i guess. A guy in jail for check fraud I would give him a break. A guy who raped and murdered a child I would let bake for the rest of his life.
 
2013-08-18 05:16:35 AM  
Because PETA doesn't picket when the guards and prisoners die of heat stroke.
 
2013-08-18 05:19:49 AM  

accelerus: [cdn.pjmedia.com image 379x214]

Texas born and raised.

The only bad part is the fact the prisoners get to consume the pigs - they should be sending the bacon to the public for little to no cost.  Why? Because fark em' that's why.


I hope you get arrested because of a mistaken identity or something, and thrown into the same conditions you're cheering.
 
2013-08-18 05:23:12 AM  

MREbomber: Pigs do not have porous skin. Pigs cannot sweat. So, yes, the pig pens are climate controlled while the prison population sweats, because unlike the pigs, it doesn't kill them.


Except that several prisoners have died already.
 
2013-08-18 05:24:19 AM  
i'm conflicted because yay bacon
 
2013-08-18 05:27:24 AM  
Its Texas. Until the prisoners are being raised for someone else's consumption, they aren't going to get air conditioning.
 
2013-08-18 05:28:07 AM  
Why do we have to choose between letting pigs die of heatstroke and letting humans die of heatstroke? What can we cut somewhere else so both groups can have farking air conditioning?
 
2013-08-18 05:29:27 AM  
You gotta remember, this IS Texas we're talking about here.  They jail a lot of innocent people, as groups like the Innocence Project have shown.  I'm not saying the prisons gotta be a soothing 68 degrees in summer, but they need to be safe at least.

If the justice system were not such a joke, ESPECIALLY in Texas, I'd be right there with you.  Unfortunately, prosecutors and cops have NO incentive to find the right perpetrators, only to close cases and get convictions.
 
2013-08-18 05:31:21 AM  

Tsu-na-mi: You gotta remember, this IS Texas we're talking about here.


They can't even get climate control for their staff that work in the prisons. I'm surprised OSHA isn't all over that part, at least.
 
2013-08-18 05:33:10 AM  

uttertosh: cman: In Soviet Texas, criminals are the swine and pigs are the human, or something

Came here to berate subby for an Animal Farm headline missed, see you kinda have it covered.

WHAT A farkING WASTE SUBSTER!!!


Cell Block Four good. Cell Block Two better!
 
2013-08-18 05:38:44 AM  
Human lives are more important than porcine lives.

And I'm sick of all the bacon propaganda, to the point where I'm sick of bacon.

Give me turkey sausage.
 
2013-08-18 05:40:38 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Because PETA doesn't picket when the guards and prisoners die of heat stroke.


And because it doesn't cost anything to replace guards and prisoners. Pigs, on the other hand, are quite expensive.
 
2013-08-18 05:41:11 AM  

gravebayne2: well that depends on the crime i guess. A guy in jail for check fraud I would give him a break. A guy who raped and murdered a child I would let bake for the rest of his life.


You do realize that America's jails and prisons are filled with primarily non violent offenders.
 
2013-08-18 05:48:06 AM  
I can't wait to go to prison. Bacon. Free sauna. What's not to like?
 
2013-08-18 05:58:36 AM  

accelerus: Texas born and raised.

The only bad part is the fact the prisoners get to consume the pigs - they should be sending the bacon to the public for little to no cost.  Why? Because fark em' that's why.


Do you feel special knowing they had to amend the Constitution specifically because of assholes just like you? Cuz I would.
 
2013-08-18 06:05:32 AM  
Yes:
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No:
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-18 06:28:12 AM  
Bryan Collie, the deputy director of the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, said the barns don't have "air conditioning ... it's a climate-controlled environment." He added that the barns "are consistent with the industry standard for swine operations."

Now isn't that director dude adorable? Getting all upset that some people seem to have a problem with a climate-controlled enviroment for piggys. Hello? Nobody has a problem with the piggys living in "standards consistent with the industry of swine operation". What is a tiny bit upsetting to the not so ITGs is that it seems "standards consistent with the industry of swine operation" seem to be higher than the "standards for the industry of prisoner operation" in Texas.
 
2013-08-18 06:31:46 AM  

doglover: "TDCJ has literally made the decision that protecting its bacon is more important than protecting human lives," Medlock said.

It's called priorities and yes protecting bacon is worth human lives. Many soldiers would gladly make that sacrifice when the war with the vegans came.


What's interesting is that the bacon in question is intended for the prisoners.
 
2013-08-18 06:33:36 AM  
And for all the "don't do the crime if you don't want to die of 109.9 degrees body temperature" ITGs, for the love of (your kind) of justice HAVE THIS ACTUALLY WRITTEN INTO YOUR LAWS IF YOU LIKE IT SO MUCH.
 
2013-08-18 06:35:09 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: It's called "protecting your constituents."


Well, played.
 
2013-08-18 06:56:11 AM  
I like getting in stupid political fights as much as the next guy, but all TFA is really telling us is that no one involved in this story has even the lowest level of required knowledge to make judgments about any of the things mentioned in the story:

Firstly, 75k$ is the price of six barns full of pigs, meaning, given the usual size of full-sized operations, means _thousands_ of pigs.  Most of which are being spent to feed, y'know, thousands of prisoners, so this is literally a cost associated directly with keeping prisoners alive and healthy... and pretty efficiently, at that.

Secondly, 75k$ is the cost of the structures themselves, the heating and cooling elements are, if it's in line with usual structural requirements, maybe about 5k$ of that.  And that's a high estimate.

Thirdly, the kind of basic evaporative cooling they're talking about (1) only works in a big, open space like an industrial barn, it wouldn't do a goddamned thing in an enclosed, divided space like a prison block, (2) is for this reason far, far cheaper to run the whole operation than to air condition even a few cells as mentioned above, and (3) only keeps the pigs cool enough that they're mostly not in danger of immediately dying, and they don't lose any more than 5% or so of the pigs to heat-death.  5% of prisoners dying would be a lot more than 14, so even using this ridiculous comparison the prisoners are still a higher priority than the pigs.

In summary, cooling people is a way the hell more expensive, delicate, and difficult operation than cooling animals, and the reason they're cooling the animals is to feed the inmates in the first place, which is, y'know, another basic biological necessity.  TFA's author and the people making this comparison as if it is some sort of actual relevant point should darwin themselves as fast as possible for the good of the gene pool, because we can fix uneducated but there are limits to fixing outright stupid.
 
2013-08-18 06:58:46 AM  

gravebayne2: bbfreak: You don't care if prisoners die from extreme heat, and you don't want them eating your bacon! I commend your compassion! I mean, they're only prisoners, not like they're human beings am I right?

well that depends on the crime i guess. A guy in jail for check fraud I would give him a break. A guy who raped and murdered a child I would let bake for the rest of his life.


How about a guy convicted by a corrupt local system of raping and murdering a child?

/not like THOSE haven't been in the news...
 
2013-08-18 06:59:30 AM  
I would have gone with the 'obvious' tag, since it's Texas. Had this happened somewhere like Wisconsin, or Oregon, I would say 'interesting'...
 
2013-08-18 07:00:03 AM  
The pigs never committed a crime. They can come and go as they please.
 
2013-08-18 07:19:23 AM  

MREbomber: Pigs do not have porous skin. Pigs cannot sweat. So, yes, the pig pens are climate controlled while the prison population sweats, because unlike the pigs, it doesn't kill them.


know how I know you didn't rtfa?
 
2013-08-18 07:21:53 AM  

Jim_Callahan:  (3) only keeps the pigs cool enough that they're mostly not in danger of immediately dying, and they don't lose any more than 5% or so of the pigs to heat-death.  5% of prisoners dying would be a lot more than 14, so even using this ridiculous comparison the prisoners are still a higher priority than the pigs.


Pretty much this.  A lot of dead pigs is going to be more of a risk to the prisoners than the heat is.  As long as prisoners aren't being denied proper hydration, they're not facing death just because of no A/C.

This isn't a matter of prisoners' lives, it's about refrigerating the bacon before the pig's even dead, while prisoners are denied a luxury.
 
2013-08-18 07:25:02 AM  
Texans are proving yet again how much they are following Jesus' words:


Matthew 25:33-40
"The Son of Man will put the sheep (good people) on his right and the goats (bad people) on his left. "Then the king will say to those good people on his right, 'Come. My Father has given you great blessings. Come and get the kingdom God promised you. That kingdom has been prepared for you since the world was made. You can have this kingdom, because I was hungry and you gave me food to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me something to drink. I was alone and away from home, and you invited me into your home. I was without clothes, and you gave me something to wear. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you came to visit me.' "Then the good people will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and give you food? When did we see you thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you alone and away from home and invite you into our home? When did we see you without clothes and give you something to wear? When did we see you sick or in prison and care for you?' "Then the king will answer, 'I tell you the truth. Anything you did for any of my people here, you also did for me.'"
 
2013-08-18 07:28:19 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Texans are proving yet again how much they are following Jesus' words:


Matthew 25:33-40
"The Son of Man will put the sheep (good people) on his right and the goats (bad people) on his left. "Then the king will say to those good people on his right, 'Come. My Father has given you great blessings. Come and get the kingdom God promised you. That kingdom has been prepared for you since the world was made. You can have this kingdom, because I was hungry and you gave me food to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me something to drink. I was alone and away from home, and you invited me into your home. I was without clothes, and you gave me something to wear. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you came to visit me.' "Then the good people will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and give you food? When did we see you thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you alone and away from home and invite you into our home? When did we see you without clothes and give you something to wear? When did we see you sick or in prison and care for you?' "Then the king will answer, 'I tell you the truth. Anything you did for any of my people here, you also did for me.'"


I never really thought about it, but - as unpopular as atheists are in Texas, Texas had sure as shiat better hope the atheists are right.
 
2013-08-18 07:29:18 AM  

ucfknightryan: MREbomber: Pigs do not have porous skin. Pigs cannot sweat. So, yes, the pig pens are climate controlled while the prison population sweats, because unlike the pigs, it doesn't kill them.

know how I know you didn't rtfa?


Complications with medications isn't the same as everyone being at extreme risk because of their species.
RTFA, the pigs' cooling system is like having a fan blow air in one window, and another sucking air out another, while mist is sprayed.
 
2013-08-18 07:29:43 AM  

Semantic Warrior: Jim_Callahan:  (3) only keeps the pigs cool enough that they're mostly not in danger of immediately dying, and they don't lose any more than 5% or so of the pigs to heat-death.  5% of prisoners dying would be a lot more than 14, so even using this ridiculous comparison the prisoners are still a higher priority than the pigs.

Pretty much this.  A lot of dead pigs is going to be more of a risk to the prisoners than the heat is.  As long as prisoners aren't being denied proper hydration, they're not facing death just because of no A/C.

This isn't a matter of prisoners' lives, it's about refrigerating the bacon before the pig's even dead, while prisoners are denied a luxury.


14 people have died over the last 6 years from heat related causes.  Keeping it cool enough that people aren't dying isn't exactly a luxury.  I'd think it's not asking too much to at least reach the point where no one is dying from heat before even adding meat to the prisoners' diet, let alone building prison owned farms so you can have the prisoners raise said meat animals.
 
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