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(The Daily Caller)   Wikileaks founder Julian Assange calls Rand Paul the "only hope" for US politics and Matt Drudge a "news media innovator"   (dailycaller.com) divider line 53
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2013-08-17 11:14:40 PM
12 votes:
FTA:
Responding to questions during a Google Hangout session, Assange praised the college-aged supported libertarian faction of the Republican Party as the "only hope" for U.S. electoral politics.


There's a reason libertarians enjoy support from college kids in near perpetuity - they like the idea of legal pot, but once they graduate and enter the real world they realize the rest of the platform is complete bunk fairly quickly.
2013-08-18 12:48:35 AM
5 votes:
Assange is best ignored. He can only do so much being holed up in the Ecudorian embassy so he says these kinds of crackpot things every now and then to get attention. Both Assange and Snowden are nothing but attention whores, they can yammer on all day about how they're idealists, but idealists actually suffer for their causes, these guys just ran and can now only hide in third world hellholes because they burned too many bridges and weren't capable of planning things out well in advance.
2013-08-17 11:42:20 PM
5 votes:
I was a college libertarian.  I attended a speech by Harry Browne in 2000 and donated to the campaign.  I live in Kentucky so before anyone says so, no I did not cost Gore the presidency.  I knew a local libertarian, he was my then-girlfriend's mom's boyfriend.  He grew pot on his big farm, and it was really good.  He was also a gun nut.  Shooting his Tommy gun is one of my favorite memories of those days.  Then I grew up and realized that "get the government out of our lives" was really only an economic slogan for the prosperous, and that the disadvantaged don't want to get the government out of their lives.  So now I'm a lefty-libby-liberson.  I have yet to start my own anarcho-communist syndicate.
2013-08-18 12:47:02 AM
4 votes:
Rand Paul is an idiot and a fraud.
2013-08-17 11:42:45 PM
4 votes:
Wow dude, you just shat over the remaining supporters in this country you once had
2013-08-17 11:39:35 PM
4 votes:
Rand Paul, the guy who openly complained that disaster relief wasn't leaving enough money left over for defense?

Right.
2013-08-17 11:38:00 PM
4 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: There's a reason libertarians enjoy support from college kids in near perpetuity - they like the idea of legal pot, but once they graduate and enter the real world they realize the rest of the platform is complete bunk fairly quickly.


But Rand Paul isn't in favor of legalizing pot.

And I think Assange is just trolling us now.  Or else he's just a crazy mofo.
2013-08-17 11:16:57 PM
4 votes:
Yeah, sounds about right for a crackpot.
2013-08-18 02:36:01 AM
3 votes:

SenorBenedict: I'm still at a loss as to what Snowden told us that we didn't already know about. I mean fark sake Swordfish a movie that came out in 2001 had a plot point about the NSA reading your emails.


And the Simpsons were joking about it in '06. The only difference now is that we know the official name of the program. And the vast majority of Americans will, once again, stop caring (assuming they haven't already) for another few years. The NSA knows it, and the rest of the government knows it, and they know there's no actual political pressure for them to quit this shiat.
2013-08-18 12:35:39 AM
3 votes:
Rand Paul, the guy that "filibustered" drones and then came out in favor of drone strikes for liquor store robbers.  The guy's a complete fraud.
2013-08-18 12:32:39 AM
3 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: TuteTibiImperes: There's a reason libertarians enjoy support from college kids in near perpetuity - they like the idea of legal pot, but once they graduate and enter the real world they realize the rest of the platform is complete bunk fairly quickly.

But Rand Paul isn't in favor of legalizing pot.

And I think Assange is just trolling us now.  Or else he's just a crazy mofo.


Rand Paul isn't in favor of legalized pot or same sex marriage but you'd be surprised how many "libertarians" think he is.
2013-08-17 11:56:42 PM
3 votes:
Considering that Julian Assange seems to be more interested in hurting America than in freedom of information, this doesn't surprise me at all.

/Bradley Manning was hopelessly naieve
2013-08-18 07:41:12 AM
2 votes:

FloridaFarkTag: What Assange is really saying....is that most Americans are too ignorant to realize Democrat and Republican parties are not really different...when it comes to many issues they agree on the same thing

Look at all the things Obama is doing that Bush did


Like breath, drink water, and put on pants.

Granted Obama puts his pants on his legs and not on his head, but why split hairs?
2013-08-18 01:29:18 AM
2 votes:

gingerjet: anfrind: I think Snowden deserves more respect than Assange.  Yes, they both leaked classified information, and in doing so might have "compromised American interests" (whatever that actually means).  But Snowden knew exactly the consequences of leaking classified information (and was subject to more severe penalties due to having been entrusted with a security clearance), and he did it anyway.  That doesn't make it right, but it takes a lot more guts than publishing a data dump from a naieve army private half a world away.

Snowden is incredibly naive and I would call him out as a coward.  And based on his public comments - he clearly isn't that bright of an individual and beyond knowing to leave the country (to China no less) - he clearly didn't think any of this through.

Too bad - the US government has been able to deflect from the material that he released and focus all the attention on Snowdens idiotic antics.

/don't get me started on the Guardian reporter that Snowden has been dealing with


Well, it did prompt Obama to give an address and promise reforms on how information is collected from US citizens, so it did have some effect.

The problem I have with Snowden and Manning is that they both broke their oaths for the government agencies that employed them.  While I think that's something possibly worth doing for the right reasons, having the courage to do it should also mean having the courage to face the consequences.

Assange isn't a US citizen, so I can't really fault him for being pissed off that the US is trying to get him.
2013-08-18 01:00:06 AM
2 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: TheXerox: Assange is best ignored. He can only do so much being holed up in the Ecudorian embassy so he says these kinds of crackpot things every now and then to get attention. Both Assange and Snowden are nothing but attention whores, they can yammer on all day about how they're idealists, but idealists actually suffer for their causes, these guys just ran and can now only hide in third world hellholes because they burned too many bridges and weren't capable of planning things out well in advance.

Neither the Ecuadorian embassy nor Russia are third world hell holes, even if Assange eventually makes it to Ecuador itself, it has plenty of fairly nice and modern areas.

I'd have thought Assange would be trying to keep a low profile though, hoping that the US and UK eventually stop paying as much attention so that he can just slip onboard a plane to get out of the embassy.


Wikileaks just uploaded almost half a terabyte of encrypted files, named "wikileaks insurance" and are asking people to distribute it as much as they can.  He knows the US gov is coming for him now that they're done with Manning.
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2013-08-18 12:18:42 AM
2 votes:
i1221.photobucket.com

The false idol Libertarians love to worship
2013-08-18 12:04:10 AM
2 votes:
Well they're all attention-whoring douchebags so I understand the solidarity.
2013-08-17 11:54:49 PM
2 votes:
Assange: great troll or greatest troll?

Now Rand Paul and Drudge will have to decide to accept the praise or denounce him.

/what to do, what to do
//lulz
2013-08-17 11:45:11 PM
2 votes:
Worthless shiatstains of a feather I guess....
2013-08-18 05:24:13 PM
1 votes:

anfrind: I don't recall if it's technically an oath, but before granting access to classified information, the government does make you sign an agreement that you will protect that information for as long as you live.


Maybe, shockingly, Bradley Manning actually took his oath seriously.  The one that says he "will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic".

What's sad to me is that clearly the American armed forces and intelligence community has a very large number of people who can see illegal, unconstitutional things happen every day and say nothing.  I would call them the gutless traitors.
2013-08-18 10:50:30 AM
1 votes:
If there is anything Julian Assange has ever done that proves he is not a journalist, this is it.  He obviously knows almost nothing about Rand Paul or Matt Drudge.
2013-08-18 08:30:28 AM
1 votes:

sendtodave: Crotchrocket Slim: TheXerox: Assange is best ignored. He can only do so much being holed up in the Ecudorian embassy so he says these kinds of crackpot things every now and then to get attention. Both Assange and Snowden are nothing but attention whores, they can yammer on all day about how they're idealists, but idealists actually suffer for their causes, these guys just ran and can now only hide in third world hellholes because they burned too many bridges and weren't capable of planning things out well in advance.

THANK YOU

Having to run and live in shiatholes isn't suffering?


Given that they put themselves into those situations that anyone could have predicted AND they basically ran off to escape the consequences of their actions while claiming an idealistic position, very farks are available.

Just because I hate the surveillance state doesn't mean I'll give chuckleheads a pass, especially since their clumsy jackassery has focused attention on them and not on scrapping PRISM etc.
2013-08-18 07:35:54 AM
1 votes:
What Assange is really saying....is that most Americans are too ignorant to realize Democrat and Republican parties are not really different...when it comes to many issues they agree on the same thing

Look at all the things Obama is doing that Bush did
2013-08-18 07:01:34 AM
1 votes:

SlothB77: Julian assange is a neocon now? Whatever will the far lefties do?


a) there are no far lefties anywhere in American politics.
b) Whatever "they" do will scare you badly, so badly you have to lie about it. This includes putting arugula in their salad.
c) Now go change you pants, because I'm sure something has scared you badly enough in the last 5 minutes that they need changing.
d) Why does anyone anywhere think either Paul is anything other than a Republican?
2013-08-18 07:00:23 AM
1 votes:
The benefit of transparency is that people can theoretically be held accountable for their actions.
The problem with transparency is that people can theoretically be held accountable for their actions.

Lol, sounds 1984-ish, but think of the 'reindeer games' the alphabet agencies play. They run hundreds, if not thousands of successful ops, and then they get caught doing something stupid. Without transparency they can run the same op multiple times because... the scam isn't known by their mark - think grift (eg Spanish Prisoner) played on an international scale. One problem the agencies have with transparency... maybe the scam has worked for decades but on this one particular case it went south... Once the cat is out of the bag, the scam is either retired, set aside for a while, or 'polish the turd' so to speak, (Nigerian Prince, omg bff's (hacked) fb says he's locked up in a foreign country and needs cash wired.) With true transparency, money trails become a problem, assets are compromised, and the ability to reuse scams is effectively impossible.

Oversight is absolutely necessary. Accountability is absolutely necessary - and imo not enforced nearly enough - too much career cya/whitewash (and this is nothing new). Transparency is simply not doable in some things -  hence the redacted documents that are decades old, and even with the best intentions there are serious consequences; revealing little things has compromised people's lives. Do people/administrations use this as an excuse to abuse the release of information? Hells, yeah. But too far the other way... and bad things happen.

Point the finger at corporations, hack/compromise their documents and release them publicly to expose their evilnessness may not be overly ethical, but I 'get' what Assange hoped to accomplish, but it's my understanding he released intel that blew ops and got people killed - whatever his intent - that's not cool. Rand P. seems to be a cynical kool-aid salesman, moreso than your run-of-the-mill politician, so I have no idea where the admiration comes from. I have some sympathies for the libertarian state of mind - at the town/county level. I'd think you'd have to drink some serious kool-aid to truly believe it's remotely feasible at a larger level.
2013-08-18 06:48:44 AM
1 votes:

dywed88: TuteTibiImperes: FTA:
Responding to questions during a Google Hangout session, Assange praised the college-aged supported libertarian faction of the Republican Party as the "only hope" for U.S. electoral politics.

There's a reason libertarians enjoy support from college kids in near perpetuity - they like the idea of legal pot, but once they graduate and enter the real world they realize the rest of the platform is complete bunk fairly quickly.

In general it has a lot of the same appeals as Communism. The young idealists fall for it, but as they move into reality and understand that the ideals don't actually work in the real world they move to more reasonable positions.


Really? Ahh, the utopia of not being spied on or unreasonable searches. Not fighting never ending foreign wars. What a crazy idea!
2013-08-18 06:04:24 AM
1 votes:
Well, to be fair, Drudge was sort of innovative-ish... in 1997... and not in a good way. He was a pioneer for douchebag partisan hackery news aggregation on the web. If that's your cup of disgusting tea, then sure.
2013-08-18 05:37:58 AM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: they like the idea of legal pot, but once they graduate and enter the real world they realize the rest of the platform is complete bunk fairly quickly.


That's why I stick to being a civil libertarian, libertarian economic policy is ridiculous.
2013-08-18 05:29:30 AM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Okay, NOW he's a douche.

Why is Snowden a good guy and Assange is a bad guy?


as far as I'm concerned, neither are good or bad. Just gigantic douches.
2013-08-18 05:24:57 AM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Okay, NOW he's a douche.

Why is Snowden a good guy and Assange is a bad guy?


Because Snowden got the idiot public talking about the NSA again. At least until some celebrity dies, or something else grabs the news cycle.

/The dumbass could've at least waited 'til  closer to the election season, instead of leaking this crap when there's not a damn thing we can do about it.
2013-08-18 05:08:26 AM
1 votes:
And we all know he said these things, right?
2013-08-18 03:32:10 AM
1 votes:

ThrobblefootSpectre: It was never clear to me why a douchebag like Assange had so many white knights on Fark in the first place (other than Fark tends to be somewhat nutjobby too.)  But the wingnut cognitive dissonance is rather bemusing.

Assange steals and reveals private banking records and government emails:  Wingnut reaction - "Assange is a hero!!!!"

Assange compliments a republican: Wingnut reaction - "Assange is a crazy trolling nutjob!!!!"

I don't know if that's an epic facepalm or a lol.


I think the cognitive dissonance is happening because most people assumed Assange was a liberal. His public persona is about transparency and freedom of information, and while both parties have had trouble with that in the US, those are usually qualities associated with liberals more than conservatives.

Plus, Rand Paul is a kook.
2013-08-18 02:46:15 AM
1 votes:

Stibium: I do wonder what a Democratic Congressional sweep with a Paul presidency would look like. Just as Obama changed his views far more towards the right, perhaps some of Paul's views would change towards being more centrist/leftist? That, combined with a Democratic Congress (hopefully) being very motivated at checking his ass all the time as well as having power to pass plenty of social legislation I do wonder if it would turn out for the better in the end.

Nevermind, I was delusional to think that Congressional Democrats would get off their ass and do something meaningful, even with someone as foolish as Paul to point at. Although I still do think Paul would gravitate back towards sane viewpoints once he realized what power the presidency does and does not have.

/A man can dream, can't he?


The thing is Rand Paul isn't a social liberal.  He's called himself pro-life, and believes that life begins at conception, and has called abortion murder.  He's supported laws to ban same-sex marriage.  He's voted against environment protections.  He's actually not quite as derpy as most GOP candidates on immigration or the drug war, but overall he's not a libertarian when it comes to social issues by a long stretch.

The Democrats in congress are hamstrung right now.  They have control over the Senate, but not enough to override a filibuster, and other than approving federal appointments the Senate can't do much without the House, and the GOP controlled house is dead set against doing anything Obama or the Senate wants.  It's not do-nothing by choice, it's by circumstance.
2013-08-18 02:21:01 AM
1 votes:
I'm still at a loss as to what Snowden told us that we didn't already know about. I mean fark sake Swordfish a movie that came out in 2001 had a plot point about the NSA reading your emails.
2013-08-18 02:18:27 AM
1 votes:

gingerjet: anfrind: I think Snowden deserves more respect than Assange.  Yes, they both leaked classified information, and in doing so might have "compromised American interests" (whatever that actually means).  But Snowden knew exactly the consequences of leaking classified information (and was subject to more severe penalties due to having been entrusted with a security clearance), and he did it anyway.  That doesn't make it right, but it takes a lot more guts than publishing a data dump from a naieve army private half a world away.

Snowden is incredibly naive and I would call him out as a coward.  And based on his public comments - he clearly isn't that bright of an individual and beyond knowing to leave the country (to China no less) - he clearly didn't think any of this through.

Too bad - the US government has been able to deflect from the material that he released and focus all the attention on Snowdens idiotic antics.

/don't get me started on the Guardian reporter that Snowden has been dealing with


One could certainly argue that Snowden is a fool, but sometimes the line between courage and foolishness is extremely blurry.  I wouldn't call him a coward, though, as he knew exactly what could happen to him if he leaked classified information--everyone who is approved for a security clearance is briefed on the responsibilities that come with a clearance and the extremely harsh penalties for not upholding them (up to and including the death penalty, if an intentional leak results in the deaths of Americans).

I'm not sure whether or not he did the right thing by going public, but I can understand why he fled the country.  And I'd certainly agree that he didn't think his cunning plan all the way through.
2013-08-18 02:11:19 AM
1 votes:

Zeppelininthesky: Rand Paul is an idiot and a fraud.


I'm inclined to think Assange is the fraud. I don't think either is an idiot, but Rand Paul is definitely the smarter one. He's not stuck living in an embassy.
2013-08-18 01:41:35 AM
1 votes:

fusillade762: AYN RAND PAUL

BUNYAN


Someone please photoshop that
2013-08-18 01:38:26 AM
1 votes:
AYN RAND PAUL


Satanic_Hamster: TuteTibiImperes: Ah, so the one good idea his dad had, he can't even share.

His dad doesn't believe in legalizing pot either.

He just thinks it should be illegal at the state level, in every state, just not at the Federal level.


What is this I don't even
2013-08-18 01:27:48 AM
1 votes:
I'm tired of only insane people making the news.

Just because you open your mouth the widest and most often,
doesn't mean you should dominate the news cycle.

When will rational thought and good ideas become a commodity in the media???
*sigh*

/it's a rhetorical question...I already know the answer.
2013-08-18 01:25:14 AM
1 votes:

anfrind: I think Snowden deserves more respect than Assange.  Yes, they both leaked classified information, and in doing so might have "compromised American interests" (whatever that actually means).  But Snowden knew exactly the consequences of leaking classified information (and was subject to more severe penalties due to having been entrusted with a security clearance), and he did it anyway.  That doesn't make it right, but it takes a lot more guts than publishing a data dump from a naieve army private half a world away.


Snowden is incredibly naive and I would call him out as a coward.  And based on his public comments - he clearly isn't that bright of an individual and beyond knowing to leave the country (to China no less) - he clearly didn't think any of this through.

Too bad - the US government has been able to deflect from the material that he released and focus all the attention on Snowdens idiotic antics.

/don't get me started on the Guardian reporter that Snowden has been dealing with
2013-08-18 01:20:40 AM
1 votes:

Emposter: TuteTibiImperes: TheXerox: Assange is best ignored. He can only do so much being holed up in the Ecudorian embassy so he says these kinds of crackpot things every now and then to get attention. Both Assange and Snowden are nothing but attention whores, they can yammer on all day about how they're idealists, but idealists actually suffer for their causes, these guys just ran and can now only hide in third world hellholes because they burned too many bridges and weren't capable of planning things out well in advance.

Neither the Ecuadorian embassy nor Russia are third world hell holes, even if Assange eventually makes it to Ecuador itself, it has plenty of fairly nice and modern areas.

I'd have thought Assange would be trying to keep a low profile though, hoping that the US and UK eventually stop paying as much attention so that he can just slip onboard a plane to get out of the embassy.

Wikileaks just uploaded almost half a terabyte of encrypted files, named "wikileaks insurance" and are asking people to distribute it as much as they can.  He knows the US gov is coming for him now that they're done with Manning.


Or its more bullshiat from an attention whore.

And of course Assange likes Paul his stated goal is to harm the US and Paul and his idiocy does exactly that.
2013-08-18 01:18:33 AM
1 votes:
dtrfa but if Assange is seriously endorsing either Paul, he is a bigger ignorant asshole than previously imagined.
2013-08-18 01:03:07 AM
1 votes:

TheXerox: Assange is best ignored. He can only do so much being holed up in the Ecudorian embassy so he says these kinds of crackpot things every now and then to get attention. Both Assange and Snowden are nothing but attention whores, they can yammer on all day about how they're idealists, but idealists actually suffer for their causes, these guys just ran and can now only hide in third world hellholes because they burned too many bridges and weren't capable of planning things out well in advance.


I think Snowden deserves more respect than Assange.  Yes, they both leaked classified information, and in doing so might have "compromised American interests" (whatever that actually means).  But Snowden knew exactly the consequences of leaking classified information (and was subject to more severe penalties due to having been entrusted with a security clearance), and he did it anyway.  That doesn't make it right, but it takes a lot more guts than publishing a data dump from a naieve army private half a world away.
2013-08-18 12:48:02 AM
1 votes:
Well, being a gay agoraphobic who really wants to start a race war is a kind of innovation.
2013-08-18 12:13:21 AM
1 votes:
But what does the old lady who runs the downtown library think?  Because she's got a functionally identical role in ensuring freedom of information that's just as important as Assange's (they both just keep the records of shiat other people with actual skills and bravery) and she actually lives here and isn't a misdemeanor rapist (so far as I know).
2013-08-18 12:05:12 AM
1 votes:

anfrind: Considering that Julian Assange seems to be more interested in hurting America than in freedom of information, this doesn't surprise me at all.

/Bradley Manning was hopelessly naieve


We've been hurting ourselves for far longer and in far more grievous ways than Assange ever will. I'd like to see what's in the insurance file just so I can point to it and go "SEE! I've been telling you this for YEARS!"
2013-08-18 12:04:49 AM
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Okay, NOW he's a douche.


Yep.

Republicans are authoritarian "libertarian" racist conservatives.
2013-08-18 12:02:59 AM
1 votes:
The important question is, will Assange teach Drudge post-1993 web site design techniques?
2013-08-17 11:56:24 PM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Ah, so the one good idea his dad had, he can't even share.


His dad doesn't believe in legalizing pot either.

He just thinks it should be illegal at the state level, in every state, just not at the Federal level.
2013-08-17 11:50:37 PM
1 votes:
Okay, NOW he's a douche.
2013-08-17 11:42:41 PM
1 votes:
Ok, trolling America is one thing. But endorsing the Drudge Report? There's only one thing to do about that.

i1.tribune.com.pk
2013-08-17 11:41:37 PM
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: TuteTibiImperes: There's a reason libertarians enjoy support from college kids in near perpetuity - they like the idea of legal pot, but once they graduate and enter the real world they realize the rest of the platform is complete bunk fairly quickly.

But Rand Paul isn't in favor of legalizing pot.

And I think Assange is just trolling us now.  Or else he's just a crazy mofo.


He's trolling. He has to be.
2013-08-17 11:38:16 PM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: FTA:
Responding to questions during a Google Hangout session, Assange praised the college-aged supported libertarian faction of the Republican Party as the "only hope" for U.S. electoral politics.

There's a reason libertarians enjoy support from college kids in near perpetuity - they like the idea of legal pot, but once they graduate and enter the real world they realize the rest of the platform is complete bunk fairly quickly.


In general it has a lot of the same appeals as Communism. The young idealists fall for it, but as they move into reality and understand that the ideals don't actually work in the real world they move to more reasonable positions.
 
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