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(The Daily Caller)   Wikileaks founder Julian Assange calls Rand Paul the "only hope" for US politics and Matt Drudge a "news media innovator"   (dailycaller.com) divider line 147
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2013-08-17 11:14:40 PM
FTA:
Responding to questions during a Google Hangout session, Assange praised the college-aged supported libertarian faction of the Republican Party as the "only hope" for U.S. electoral politics.


There's a reason libertarians enjoy support from college kids in near perpetuity - they like the idea of legal pot, but once they graduate and enter the real world they realize the rest of the platform is complete bunk fairly quickly.
 
2013-08-17 11:16:57 PM
Yeah, sounds about right for a crackpot.
 
2013-08-17 11:38:00 PM

TuteTibiImperes: There's a reason libertarians enjoy support from college kids in near perpetuity - they like the idea of legal pot, but once they graduate and enter the real world they realize the rest of the platform is complete bunk fairly quickly.


But Rand Paul isn't in favor of legalizing pot.

And I think Assange is just trolling us now.  Or else he's just a crazy mofo.
 
2013-08-17 11:38:16 PM

TuteTibiImperes: FTA:
Responding to questions during a Google Hangout session, Assange praised the college-aged supported libertarian faction of the Republican Party as the "only hope" for U.S. electoral politics.

There's a reason libertarians enjoy support from college kids in near perpetuity - they like the idea of legal pot, but once they graduate and enter the real world they realize the rest of the platform is complete bunk fairly quickly.


In general it has a lot of the same appeals as Communism. The young idealists fall for it, but as they move into reality and understand that the ideals don't actually work in the real world they move to more reasonable positions.
 
2013-08-17 11:39:35 PM
Rand Paul, the guy who openly complained that disaster relief wasn't leaving enough money left over for defense?

Right.
 
2013-08-17 11:41:37 PM

Satanic_Hamster: TuteTibiImperes: There's a reason libertarians enjoy support from college kids in near perpetuity - they like the idea of legal pot, but once they graduate and enter the real world they realize the rest of the platform is complete bunk fairly quickly.

But Rand Paul isn't in favor of legalizing pot.

And I think Assange is just trolling us now.  Or else he's just a crazy mofo.


He's trolling. He has to be.
 
2013-08-17 11:41:53 PM
What Julian doesn't seem to get, is that the price of always doing the right thing, is having to do soooo many bad things. What a loser.
 
2013-08-17 11:42:20 PM
I was a college libertarian.  I attended a speech by Harry Browne in 2000 and donated to the campaign.  I live in Kentucky so before anyone says so, no I did not cost Gore the presidency.  I knew a local libertarian, he was my then-girlfriend's mom's boyfriend.  He grew pot on his big farm, and it was really good.  He was also a gun nut.  Shooting his Tommy gun is one of my favorite memories of those days.  Then I grew up and realized that "get the government out of our lives" was really only an economic slogan for the prosperous, and that the disadvantaged don't want to get the government out of their lives.  So now I'm a lefty-libby-liberson.  I have yet to start my own anarcho-communist syndicate.
 
2013-08-17 11:42:41 PM
Ok, trolling America is one thing. But endorsing the Drudge Report? There's only one thing to do about that.

i1.tribune.com.pk
 
2013-08-17 11:42:45 PM
Wow dude, you just shat over the remaining supporters in this country you once had
 
2013-08-17 11:45:11 PM
Worthless shiatstains of a feather I guess....
 
2013-08-17 11:50:37 PM
Okay, NOW he's a douche.
 
2013-08-17 11:51:07 PM

Satanic_Hamster: TuteTibiImperes: There's a reason libertarians enjoy support from college kids in near perpetuity - they like the idea of legal pot, but once they graduate and enter the real world they realize the rest of the platform is complete bunk fairly quickly.

But Rand Paul isn't in favor of legalizing pot.

And I think Assange is just trolling us now.  Or else he's just a crazy mofo.


Ah, so the one good idea his dad had, he can't even share.

Yeah, I think Assange is trolling us, he has to be.
 
2013-08-17 11:52:08 PM
Oh Oh. Heres comes 'Murica to blast rock and roll at the Ecuadorian embassy in England. OR maybe polka music for this case.

Libertarian party platform.
http://www.lp.org/platform
The Right of having ownership over ones own body.

A libertarian in the Republican party is a fake libertarian. Oh Rand likes to be called a libertarian, but raping women is definitely ok.
http://rt.com/usa/assange-ron-rand-paul-584/
The Paul family, added Assange, have been "the strongest supporters of the fight against the US attack on WikiLeaks and on me."

"The Republican Party in so far as how it has coupled together with the war industry is not a conservative party at all and the Libertarian aspect of the Republican Party is presently the only useful political voice in the US Congress," said Assange.
 
2013-08-17 11:54:49 PM
Assange: great troll or greatest troll?

Now Rand Paul and Drudge will have to decide to accept the praise or denounce him.

/what to do, what to do
//lulz
 
2013-08-17 11:56:24 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Ah, so the one good idea his dad had, he can't even share.


His dad doesn't believe in legalizing pot either.

He just thinks it should be illegal at the state level, in every state, just not at the Federal level.
 
2013-08-17 11:56:35 PM
I have to admit that, as far as I know, Drudge did come up with the innovative spinning siren idea, so I'll give him that one.
 
2013-08-17 11:56:42 PM
Considering that Julian Assange seems to be more interested in hurting America than in freedom of information, this doesn't surprise me at all.

/Bradley Manning was hopelessly naieve
 
2013-08-18 12:01:31 AM
Julian assange is a neocon now? Whatever will the far lefties do?
 
2013-08-18 12:01:49 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Okay, NOW he's a douche.

 
2013-08-18 12:02:59 AM
The important question is, will Assange teach Drudge post-1993 web site design techniques?
 
2013-08-18 12:04:10 AM
Well they're all attention-whoring douchebags so I understand the solidarity.
 
2013-08-18 12:04:49 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Okay, NOW he's a douche.


Yep.

Republicans are authoritarian "libertarian" racist conservatives.
 
2013-08-18 12:05:12 AM

anfrind: Considering that Julian Assange seems to be more interested in hurting America than in freedom of information, this doesn't surprise me at all.

/Bradley Manning was hopelessly naieve


We've been hurting ourselves for far longer and in far more grievous ways than Assange ever will. I'd like to see what's in the insurance file just so I can point to it and go "SEE! I've been telling you this for YEARS!"
 
2013-08-18 12:05:29 AM

sheep snorter: Oh Oh. Heres comes 'Murica to blast rock and roll at the Ecuadorian embassy in England. OR maybe polka music for this case.

Libertarian party platform.
http://www.lp.org/platform
The Right of having ownership over ones own body.

A libertarian in the Republican party is a fake libertarian. Oh Rand likes to be called a libertarian, but raping women is definitely ok.
http://rt.com/usa/assange-ron-rand-paul-584/
The Paul family, added Assange, have been "the strongest supporters of the fight against the US attack on WikiLeaks and on me."

"The Republican Party in so far as how it has coupled together with the war industry is not a conservative party at all and the Libertarian aspect of the Republican Party is presently the only useful political voice in the US Congress," said Assange.



It's awfully telling that this new star of the ultra-bootstrappy individualist Libertarian party wouldn't be within a thousand miles of the capitol if he didn't play off his daddy's name every chance he gets.
 
2013-08-18 12:10:03 AM
Someone who leaks information about public figures having a gastric intestinal problem, also supports libertarians, you don't say.
 
2013-08-18 12:13:21 AM
But what does the old lady who runs the downtown library think?  Because she's got a functionally identical role in ensuring freedom of information that's just as important as Assange's (they both just keep the records of shiat other people with actual skills and bravery) and she actually lives here and isn't a misdemeanor rapist (so far as I know).
 
2013-08-18 12:16:41 AM

Satanic_Hamster: TuteTibiImperes: There's a reason libertarians enjoy support from college kids in near perpetuity - they like the idea of legal pot, but once they graduate and enter the real world they realize the rest of the platform is complete bunk fairly quickly.

But Rand Paul isn't in favor of legalizing pot.

And I think Assange is just trolling us now.  Or else he's just a crazy mofo.


Or he could be high.

Alternatively he could just be like the typical Paul supporter and only hear what he want to hear coming out of a Paul's mouth.
 
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2013-08-18 12:18:42 AM
i1221.photobucket.com

The false idol Libertarians love to worship
 
2013-08-18 12:19:06 AM
I'm shocked, shocked I say at the number of people that thought that he was somehow a liberal. He's an anti-government whack job. Probably the closest thing to a libertarian Australia has yet produced.
 
2013-08-18 12:28:06 AM
WHAAAAAAAAAAA???
i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-08-18 12:31:52 AM
Rand Paul and Julian Assange?

What's the phone number for the English department at Oxford? I would like to propose a new picture for the dictionary entry "strange bedfellows."
 
2013-08-18 12:32:39 AM

Satanic_Hamster: TuteTibiImperes: There's a reason libertarians enjoy support from college kids in near perpetuity - they like the idea of legal pot, but once they graduate and enter the real world they realize the rest of the platform is complete bunk fairly quickly.

But Rand Paul isn't in favor of legalizing pot.

And I think Assange is just trolling us now.  Or else he's just a crazy mofo.


Rand Paul isn't in favor of legalized pot or same sex marriage but you'd be surprised how many "libertarians" think he is.
 
2013-08-18 12:35:39 AM
Rand Paul, the guy that "filibustered" drones and then came out in favor of drone strikes for liquor store robbers.  The guy's a complete fraud.
 
2013-08-18 12:42:27 AM
ITT: Small Minds & US Centric Thought
 
2013-08-18 12:45:34 AM

CRtwenty: Ok, trolling America is one thing. But endorsing the Drudge Report? There's only one thing to do about that.

[i1.tribune.com.pk image 640x480]


Mr. Grunwald?  Is that you?
 
2013-08-18 12:47:02 AM
Rand Paul is an idiot and a fraud.
 
2013-08-18 12:48:02 AM
Well, being a gay agoraphobic who really wants to start a race war is a kind of innovation.
 
2013-08-18 12:48:35 AM
Assange is best ignored. He can only do so much being holed up in the Ecudorian embassy so he says these kinds of crackpot things every now and then to get attention. Both Assange and Snowden are nothing but attention whores, they can yammer on all day about how they're idealists, but idealists actually suffer for their causes, these guys just ran and can now only hide in third world hellholes because they burned too many bridges and weren't capable of planning things out well in advance.
 
2013-08-18 12:49:55 AM
isolation is affecting the man...He should stop hermiting and get out more.
 
2013-08-18 12:54:34 AM

TheXerox: Assange is best ignored. He can only do so much being holed up in the Ecudorian embassy so he says these kinds of crackpot things every now and then to get attention. Both Assange and Snowden are nothing but attention whores, they can yammer on all day about how they're idealists, but idealists actually suffer for their causes, these guys just ran and can now only hide in third world hellholes because they burned too many bridges and weren't capable of planning things out well in advance.


Neither the Ecuadorian embassy nor Russia are third world hell holes, even if Assange eventually makes it to Ecuador itself, it has plenty of fairly nice and modern areas.

I'd have thought Assange would be trying to keep a low profile though, hoping that the US and UK eventually stop paying as much attention so that he can just slip onboard a plane to get out of the embassy.
 
2013-08-18 01:00:06 AM

TuteTibiImperes: TheXerox: Assange is best ignored. He can only do so much being holed up in the Ecudorian embassy so he says these kinds of crackpot things every now and then to get attention. Both Assange and Snowden are nothing but attention whores, they can yammer on all day about how they're idealists, but idealists actually suffer for their causes, these guys just ran and can now only hide in third world hellholes because they burned too many bridges and weren't capable of planning things out well in advance.

Neither the Ecuadorian embassy nor Russia are third world hell holes, even if Assange eventually makes it to Ecuador itself, it has plenty of fairly nice and modern areas.

I'd have thought Assange would be trying to keep a low profile though, hoping that the US and UK eventually stop paying as much attention so that he can just slip onboard a plane to get out of the embassy.


Wikileaks just uploaded almost half a terabyte of encrypted files, named "wikileaks insurance" and are asking people to distribute it as much as they can.  He knows the US gov is coming for him now that they're done with Manning.
 
2013-08-18 01:03:07 AM

TheXerox: Assange is best ignored. He can only do so much being holed up in the Ecudorian embassy so he says these kinds of crackpot things every now and then to get attention. Both Assange and Snowden are nothing but attention whores, they can yammer on all day about how they're idealists, but idealists actually suffer for their causes, these guys just ran and can now only hide in third world hellholes because they burned too many bridges and weren't capable of planning things out well in advance.


I think Snowden deserves more respect than Assange.  Yes, they both leaked classified information, and in doing so might have "compromised American interests" (whatever that actually means).  But Snowden knew exactly the consequences of leaking classified information (and was subject to more severe penalties due to having been entrusted with a security clearance), and he did it anyway.  That doesn't make it right, but it takes a lot more guts than publishing a data dump from a naieve army private half a world away.
 
2013-08-18 01:09:06 AM
So he's laying the groundwork for an insanity defense?
 
2013-08-18 01:18:33 AM
dtrfa but if Assange is seriously endorsing either Paul, he is a bigger ignorant asshole than previously imagined.
 
2013-08-18 01:20:40 AM

Emposter: TuteTibiImperes: TheXerox: Assange is best ignored. He can only do so much being holed up in the Ecudorian embassy so he says these kinds of crackpot things every now and then to get attention. Both Assange and Snowden are nothing but attention whores, they can yammer on all day about how they're idealists, but idealists actually suffer for their causes, these guys just ran and can now only hide in third world hellholes because they burned too many bridges and weren't capable of planning things out well in advance.

Neither the Ecuadorian embassy nor Russia are third world hell holes, even if Assange eventually makes it to Ecuador itself, it has plenty of fairly nice and modern areas.

I'd have thought Assange would be trying to keep a low profile though, hoping that the US and UK eventually stop paying as much attention so that he can just slip onboard a plane to get out of the embassy.

Wikileaks just uploaded almost half a terabyte of encrypted files, named "wikileaks insurance" and are asking people to distribute it as much as they can.  He knows the US gov is coming for him now that they're done with Manning.


Or its more bullshiat from an attention whore.

And of course Assange likes Paul his stated goal is to harm the US and Paul and his idiocy does exactly that.
 
2013-08-18 01:25:14 AM

anfrind: I think Snowden deserves more respect than Assange.  Yes, they both leaked classified information, and in doing so might have "compromised American interests" (whatever that actually means).  But Snowden knew exactly the consequences of leaking classified information (and was subject to more severe penalties due to having been entrusted with a security clearance), and he did it anyway.  That doesn't make it right, but it takes a lot more guts than publishing a data dump from a naieve army private half a world away.


Snowden is incredibly naive and I would call him out as a coward.  And based on his public comments - he clearly isn't that bright of an individual and beyond knowing to leave the country (to China no less) - he clearly didn't think any of this through.

Too bad - the US government has been able to deflect from the material that he released and focus all the attention on Snowdens idiotic antics.

/don't get me started on the Guardian reporter that Snowden has been dealing with
 
2013-08-18 01:27:48 AM
I'm tired of only insane people making the news.

Just because you open your mouth the widest and most often,
doesn't mean you should dominate the news cycle.

When will rational thought and good ideas become a commodity in the media???
*sigh*

/it's a rhetorical question...I already know the answer.
 
2013-08-18 01:29:18 AM

gingerjet: anfrind: I think Snowden deserves more respect than Assange.  Yes, they both leaked classified information, and in doing so might have "compromised American interests" (whatever that actually means).  But Snowden knew exactly the consequences of leaking classified information (and was subject to more severe penalties due to having been entrusted with a security clearance), and he did it anyway.  That doesn't make it right, but it takes a lot more guts than publishing a data dump from a naieve army private half a world away.

Snowden is incredibly naive and I would call him out as a coward.  And based on his public comments - he clearly isn't that bright of an individual and beyond knowing to leave the country (to China no less) - he clearly didn't think any of this through.

Too bad - the US government has been able to deflect from the material that he released and focus all the attention on Snowdens idiotic antics.

/don't get me started on the Guardian reporter that Snowden has been dealing with


Well, it did prompt Obama to give an address and promise reforms on how information is collected from US citizens, so it did have some effect.

The problem I have with Snowden and Manning is that they both broke their oaths for the government agencies that employed them.  While I think that's something possibly worth doing for the right reasons, having the courage to do it should also mean having the courage to face the consequences.

Assange isn't a US citizen, so I can't really fault him for being pissed off that the US is trying to get him.
 
2013-08-18 01:38:26 AM
AYN RAND PAUL


Satanic_Hamster: TuteTibiImperes: Ah, so the one good idea his dad had, he can't even share.

His dad doesn't believe in legalizing pot either.

He just thinks it should be illegal at the state level, in every state, just not at the Federal level.


What is this I don't even
 
2013-08-18 01:41:35 AM

fusillade762: AYN RAND PAUL

BUNYAN


Someone please photoshop that
 
2013-08-18 01:44:11 AM

gingerjet: anfrind: I think Snowden deserves more respect than Assange.  Yes, they both leaked classified information, and in doing so might have "compromised American interests" (whatever that actually means).  But Snowden knew exactly the consequences of leaking classified information (and was subject to more severe penalties due to having been entrusted with a security clearance), and he did it anyway.  That doesn't make it right, but it takes a lot more guts than publishing a data dump from a naieve army private half a world away.

Snowden is incredibly naive and I would call him out as a coward.  And based on his public comments - he clearly isn't that bright of an individual and beyond knowing to leave the country (to China no less) - he clearly didn't think any of this through.

Too bad - the US government has been able to deflect from the material that he released and focus all the attention on Snowdens idiotic antics.

/don't get me started on the Guardian reporter that Snowden has been dealing with


Actually, seems to me the deflection we were all afraid was gonna happen really hasn't.  Huge numbers of stories in major and minor publications bashing the NSA and domestic spying continue to come out every day.  There have already been several legislative attempts to fix things, and I expect there to be more.

The fact that none of this will actually accomplish any meaningful reform or protections against domestic spying I attribute more to the ever-growing dysfunction in our system of government and the ever-continuing trend of our government never, EVER giving back any power once it's gained it.
 
2013-08-18 01:50:52 AM

Zeppelininthesky: Rand Paul is an idiot and a fraud.


azmoderaterants.files.wordpress.com
Who's the bigger idiot?  The idiot or the idiot who follows him?
 
2013-08-18 01:53:12 AM
I do wonder what a Democratic Congressional sweep with a Paul presidency would look like. Just as Obama changed his views far more towards the right, perhaps some of Paul's views would change towards being more centrist/leftist? That, combined with a Democratic Congress (hopefully) being very motivated at checking his ass all the time as well as having power to pass plenty of social legislation I do wonder if it would turn out for the better in the end.

Nevermind, I was delusional to think that Congressional Democrats would get off their ass and do something meaningful, even with someone as foolish as Paul to point at. Although I still do think Paul would gravitate back towards sane viewpoints once he realized what power the presidency does and does not have.

/A man can dream, can't he?
 
2013-08-18 01:59:05 AM
So a guy who has the US federal govt all over his ass supports a politician who hates the US federal govt. Shocking.
 
2013-08-18 02:06:58 AM
Now that my lads is how you troll.
 
2013-08-18 02:11:19 AM

Zeppelininthesky: Rand Paul is an idiot and a fraud.


I'm inclined to think Assange is the fraud. I don't think either is an idiot, but Rand Paul is definitely the smarter one. He's not stuck living in an embassy.
 
2013-08-18 02:13:52 AM

propasaurus: Satanic_Hamster: TuteTibiImperes: There's a reason libertarians enjoy support from college kids in near perpetuity - they like the idea of legal pot, but once they graduate and enter the real world they realize the rest of the platform is complete bunk fairly quickly.

But Rand Paul isn't in favor of legalizing pot.

And I think Assange is just trolling us now.  Or else he's just a crazy mofo.

Rand Paul isn't in favor of legalized pot or same sex marriage but you'd be surprised how many "libertarians" think he is.


Yep, one thing to keep in mind about the Pauls isn't that they oppose things at the Federal level because they oppose them. It is because it is easier to get their agendas forced and maintained through the state and local levels.
For gay marriage, it is pretty clear that nation-wide recognition is on its way, however if he can keep it out of the Federal government's hands (legislative, executive, or judicial), states will continue to discriminate. The same applies to the Civil Rights Act. He wants it gone so that state and local governments (which are easier to control with a few wing-nuts) can discriminate to their pleasure.

TuteTibiImperes: I'd have thought Assange would be trying to keep a low profile though, hoping that the US and UK eventually stop paying as much attention so that he can just slip onboard a plane to get out of the embassy.


The only way he gets out is if the UK government decides to let him out. If people forget about him there is no reason to do that.
 
2013-08-18 02:18:27 AM

gingerjet: anfrind: I think Snowden deserves more respect than Assange.  Yes, they both leaked classified information, and in doing so might have "compromised American interests" (whatever that actually means).  But Snowden knew exactly the consequences of leaking classified information (and was subject to more severe penalties due to having been entrusted with a security clearance), and he did it anyway.  That doesn't make it right, but it takes a lot more guts than publishing a data dump from a naieve army private half a world away.

Snowden is incredibly naive and I would call him out as a coward.  And based on his public comments - he clearly isn't that bright of an individual and beyond knowing to leave the country (to China no less) - he clearly didn't think any of this through.

Too bad - the US government has been able to deflect from the material that he released and focus all the attention on Snowdens idiotic antics.

/don't get me started on the Guardian reporter that Snowden has been dealing with


One could certainly argue that Snowden is a fool, but sometimes the line between courage and foolishness is extremely blurry.  I wouldn't call him a coward, though, as he knew exactly what could happen to him if he leaked classified information--everyone who is approved for a security clearance is briefed on the responsibilities that come with a clearance and the extremely harsh penalties for not upholding them (up to and including the death penalty, if an intentional leak results in the deaths of Americans).

I'm not sure whether or not he did the right thing by going public, but I can understand why he fled the country.  And I'd certainly agree that he didn't think his cunning plan all the way through.
 
2013-08-18 02:21:01 AM
I'm still at a loss as to what Snowden told us that we didn't already know about. I mean fark sake Swordfish a movie that came out in 2001 had a plot point about the NSA reading your emails.
 
2013-08-18 02:24:09 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Yeah, sounds about right for a crackpot.


If there was any question as to the man's sanity, this pretty much is it.
 
2013-08-18 02:25:01 AM

Triumph: Zeppelininthesky: Rand Paul is an idiot and a fraud.

I'm inclined to think Assange is the fraud. I don't think either is an idiot, but Rand Paul is definitely the smarter one. He's not stuck living in an embassy.


They are both a fraud.
 
2013-08-18 02:36:01 AM

SenorBenedict: I'm still at a loss as to what Snowden told us that we didn't already know about. I mean fark sake Swordfish a movie that came out in 2001 had a plot point about the NSA reading your emails.


And the Simpsons were joking about it in '06. The only difference now is that we know the official name of the program. And the vast majority of Americans will, once again, stop caring (assuming they haven't already) for another few years. The NSA knows it, and the rest of the government knows it, and they know there's no actual political pressure for them to quit this shiat.
 
2013-08-18 02:37:40 AM

LordJiro: SenorBenedict: I'm still at a loss as to what Snowden told us that we didn't already know about. I mean fark sake Swordfish a movie that came out in 2001 had a plot point about the NSA reading your emails.

And the Simpsons were joking about it in '06. The only difference now is that we know the official name of the program. And the vast majority of Americans will, once again, stop caring (assuming they haven't already) for another few years. The NSA knows it, and the rest of the government knows it, and they know there's no actual political pressure for them to quit this shiat.


Well to be honest I like where Henry Rollins took it. Google has more of my direct personal information and no public accountability. So farked if I care what the NSA knows, they don't send me targeted spam messages about needing dick pills because I read the fark politics tab...
 
2013-08-18 02:46:15 AM

Stibium: I do wonder what a Democratic Congressional sweep with a Paul presidency would look like. Just as Obama changed his views far more towards the right, perhaps some of Paul's views would change towards being more centrist/leftist? That, combined with a Democratic Congress (hopefully) being very motivated at checking his ass all the time as well as having power to pass plenty of social legislation I do wonder if it would turn out for the better in the end.

Nevermind, I was delusional to think that Congressional Democrats would get off their ass and do something meaningful, even with someone as foolish as Paul to point at. Although I still do think Paul would gravitate back towards sane viewpoints once he realized what power the presidency does and does not have.

/A man can dream, can't he?


The thing is Rand Paul isn't a social liberal.  He's called himself pro-life, and believes that life begins at conception, and has called abortion murder.  He's supported laws to ban same-sex marriage.  He's voted against environment protections.  He's actually not quite as derpy as most GOP candidates on immigration or the drug war, but overall he's not a libertarian when it comes to social issues by a long stretch.

The Democrats in congress are hamstrung right now.  They have control over the Senate, but not enough to override a filibuster, and other than approving federal appointments the Senate can't do much without the House, and the GOP controlled house is dead set against doing anything Obama or the Senate wants.  It's not do-nothing by choice, it's by circumstance.
 
2013-08-18 02:49:42 AM

NFA: [i1221.photobucket.com image 253x300]

The false idol Libertarians love to worship


I dont find that to be true.  More like "the idol false Libertarians love to worship".
 
2013-08-18 02:50:12 AM
I can't imagine what kind of hellish American landscape would elect a democratic congress but Captain Derp Rand Paul as president. That's the kind of crazy even Stephen King would say is unbelievable in fiction.
 
2013-08-18 03:09:42 AM

SenorBenedict: I'm still at a loss as to what Snowden told us that we didn't already know about. I mean fark sake Swordfish a movie that came out in 2001 had a plot point about the NSA reading your emails.


*THAT* is what you remember about Swordfish? Nothing else? Imma give you a hint, and phrase it in the style of J.K. Rowling to help you understand: 'Halle Berry And The Bosom Of Symmetry."
 
2013-08-18 03:15:06 AM

LordJiro: SenorBenedict: I'm still at a loss as to what Snowden told us that we didn't already know about. I mean fark sake Swordfish a movie that came out in 2001 had a plot point about the NSA reading your emails.

And the Simpsons were joking about it in '06. The only difference now is that we know the official name of the program. And the vast majority of Americans will, once again, stop caring (assuming they haven't already) for another few years. The NSA knows it, and the rest of the government knows it, and they know there's no actual political pressure for them to quit this shiat.


You think because it was in a movie, people thought it meant anything? Hell the guy who ran covert assassinations for the CIA, E. Howard Hunt, confessed on tape that he was involved in the Kennedy assassination and the press acts like it never happened. That was a limited hangout job, just like Snowden is.
 
2013-08-18 03:18:29 AM
It was never clear to me why a douchebag like Assange had so many white knights on Fark in the first place (other than Fark tends to be somewhat nutjobby too.)  But the wingnut cognitive dissonance is rather bemusing.

Assange steals and reveals private banking records and government emails:  Wingnut reaction - "Assange is a hero!!!!"

Assange compliments a republican: Wingnut reaction - "Assange is a crazy trolling nutjob!!!!"

I don't know if that's an epic facepalm or a lol.
 
2013-08-18 03:24:03 AM
Sorry to hear Assange has gone full retard.
 
2013-08-18 03:24:50 AM

Triumph: Zeppelininthesky: Rand Paul is an idiot and a fraud.

I'm inclined to think Assange is the fraud. I don't think either is an idiot, but Rand Paul is definitely the smarter one. He's not stuck living in an embassy.


Also not living in an embassy:
www.crazyengineer.net

Your standard for intelligence is lacking.
 
2013-08-18 03:32:10 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: It was never clear to me why a douchebag like Assange had so many white knights on Fark in the first place (other than Fark tends to be somewhat nutjobby too.)  But the wingnut cognitive dissonance is rather bemusing.

Assange steals and reveals private banking records and government emails:  Wingnut reaction - "Assange is a hero!!!!"

Assange compliments a republican: Wingnut reaction - "Assange is a crazy trolling nutjob!!!!"

I don't know if that's an epic facepalm or a lol.


I think the cognitive dissonance is happening because most people assumed Assange was a liberal. His public persona is about transparency and freedom of information, and while both parties have had trouble with that in the US, those are usually qualities associated with liberals more than conservatives.

Plus, Rand Paul is a kook.
 
2013-08-18 03:44:34 AM

TuteTibiImperes: I think the cognitive dissonance is happening because most people assumed Assange was a liberal. His public persona is about transparency and freedom of information, and while both parties have had trouble with that in the US, those are usually qualities associated with liberals more than conservatives.

Plus, Rand Paul is a kook.



I agree Rand Paul is an odd combination of odd ideas.   Which is why my opinion of Assange has gone from "deeply hypocritical criminal douchebag" to "kooky deeply hypocritical criminal douchebag". Which is not, after all, such a radical shift of opinion.

It's the 180 degree about face of some because of this one comment that I think is strange.
 
2013-08-18 03:46:56 AM
There is no facepaw huge enough.
 
2013-08-18 04:55:24 AM
"I think the cognitive dissonance is happening because most people assumed Assange was a liberal. His public persona is about transparency and freedom of information, and while both parties have had trouble with that in the US, those are usually qualities associated with liberals more than conservatives.

Plus, Rand Paul is a kook."

That being the case, perhaps Assange is doing this to make Paul look bad?
And if he is being honest in what he's saying, how long before the right wing blogosphere makes the same claim?
This is odd though, kind of like if Michael Moore started campaigning for Jeb Bush.
 
2013-08-18 05:08:26 AM
And we all know he said these things, right?
 
2013-08-18 05:15:51 AM
 
2013-08-18 05:18:13 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Okay, NOW he's a douche.


Why is Snowden a good guy and Assange is a bad guy?
 
2013-08-18 05:24:57 AM

Gyrfalcon: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Okay, NOW he's a douche.

Why is Snowden a good guy and Assange is a bad guy?


Because Snowden got the idiot public talking about the NSA again. At least until some celebrity dies, or something else grabs the news cycle.

/The dumbass could've at least waited 'til  closer to the election season, instead of leaking this crap when there's not a damn thing we can do about it.
 
2013-08-18 05:26:47 AM

Apik0r0s: And we all know he said these things, right?


Well, I'm certainly not taking the Daily Caller's word on it.
 
2013-08-18 05:29:30 AM

Gyrfalcon: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Okay, NOW he's a douche.

Why is Snowden a good guy and Assange is a bad guy?


as far as I'm concerned, neither are good or bad. Just gigantic douches.
 
2013-08-18 05:37:58 AM

TuteTibiImperes: they like the idea of legal pot, but once they graduate and enter the real world they realize the rest of the platform is complete bunk fairly quickly.


That's why I stick to being a civil libertarian, libertarian economic policy is ridiculous.
 
2013-08-18 05:48:06 AM
Think living cooped up in an Embassy so long has affected his brain.
 
2013-08-18 05:51:35 AM

Kurmudgeon: "I think the cognitive dissonance is happening because most people assumed Assange was a liberal. His public persona is about transparency and freedom of information, and while both parties have had trouble with that in the US, those are usually qualities associated with liberals more than conservatives.

Plus, Rand Paul is a kook."

That being the case, perhaps Assange is doing this to make Paul look bad?
And if he is being honest in what he's saying, how long before the right wing blogosphere makes the same claim?
This is odd though, kind of like if Michael Moore started campaigning for Jeb Bush.




Not necessarily.

Assange's agenda only has one big thing on it at the moment: government transparency. Rand Paul happens to be going in his direction on that particular issue.

We in the general public have a habit of voting for presidents based on an overly lengthy list of promises which never seem to pan out. Meanwhile we ignore their misbehavior on things that should be more important.
We're like a kid consistently running up to rusty vans with too_good_to_be_true promises painted on the side. Ignoring an obvious trap because, maybe this time, it'll be legit.

/Assange says: "Dude, maybe you should reassess your priorities".
/FARK says: "You didn't see the sign? Free Candy AND Puppies!!"
/What's behind the door? (Six months after elections) Oh look, its more sodomy!
 
2013-08-18 06:04:24 AM
Well, to be fair, Drudge was sort of innovative-ish... in 1997... and not in a good way. He was a pioneer for douchebag partisan hackery news aggregation on the web. If that's your cup of disgusting tea, then sure.
 
2013-08-18 06:48:44 AM

dywed88: TuteTibiImperes: FTA:
Responding to questions during a Google Hangout session, Assange praised the college-aged supported libertarian faction of the Republican Party as the "only hope" for U.S. electoral politics.

There's a reason libertarians enjoy support from college kids in near perpetuity - they like the idea of legal pot, but once they graduate and enter the real world they realize the rest of the platform is complete bunk fairly quickly.

In general it has a lot of the same appeals as Communism. The young idealists fall for it, but as they move into reality and understand that the ideals don't actually work in the real world they move to more reasonable positions.


Really? Ahh, the utopia of not being spied on or unreasonable searches. Not fighting never ending foreign wars. What a crazy idea!
 
2013-08-18 06:52:21 AM

Gyrfalcon: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Okay, NOW he's a douche.

Why is Snowden a good guy and Assange is a bad guy?


Snowden revealed secrets about spying on the American people. Assange revealed secrets about spying on the enemy. Two very different things. Well, before the American people became the enemy.
 
2013-08-18 07:00:23 AM
The benefit of transparency is that people can theoretically be held accountable for their actions.
The problem with transparency is that people can theoretically be held accountable for their actions.

Lol, sounds 1984-ish, but think of the 'reindeer games' the alphabet agencies play. They run hundreds, if not thousands of successful ops, and then they get caught doing something stupid. Without transparency they can run the same op multiple times because... the scam isn't known by their mark - think grift (eg Spanish Prisoner) played on an international scale. One problem the agencies have with transparency... maybe the scam has worked for decades but on this one particular case it went south... Once the cat is out of the bag, the scam is either retired, set aside for a while, or 'polish the turd' so to speak, (Nigerian Prince, omg bff's (hacked) fb says he's locked up in a foreign country and needs cash wired.) With true transparency, money trails become a problem, assets are compromised, and the ability to reuse scams is effectively impossible.

Oversight is absolutely necessary. Accountability is absolutely necessary - and imo not enforced nearly enough - too much career cya/whitewash (and this is nothing new). Transparency is simply not doable in some things -  hence the redacted documents that are decades old, and even with the best intentions there are serious consequences; revealing little things has compromised people's lives. Do people/administrations use this as an excuse to abuse the release of information? Hells, yeah. But too far the other way... and bad things happen.

Point the finger at corporations, hack/compromise their documents and release them publicly to expose their evilnessness may not be overly ethical, but I 'get' what Assange hoped to accomplish, but it's my understanding he released intel that blew ops and got people killed - whatever his intent - that's not cool. Rand P. seems to be a cynical kool-aid salesman, moreso than your run-of-the-mill politician, so I have no idea where the admiration comes from. I have some sympathies for the libertarian state of mind - at the town/county level. I'd think you'd have to drink some serious kool-aid to truly believe it's remotely feasible at a larger level.
 
2013-08-18 07:01:34 AM

SlothB77: Julian assange is a neocon now? Whatever will the far lefties do?


a) there are no far lefties anywhere in American politics.
b) Whatever "they" do will scare you badly, so badly you have to lie about it. This includes putting arugula in their salad.
c) Now go change you pants, because I'm sure something has scared you badly enough in the last 5 minutes that they need changing.
d) Why does anyone anywhere think either Paul is anything other than a Republican?
 
2013-08-18 07:02:48 AM

Tired_of_the_BS: Point the finger at corporations, hack/compromise their documents and release them publicly to expose their evilnessness may not be overly ethical, but I 'get' what Assange hoped to accomplish, but it's my understanding he released intel that blew ops and got people killed - whatever his intent - that's not cool.


Did he?  That's the first I've heard of that.
 
2013-08-18 07:06:38 AM
So, he's anticipating being captured, and he's working on his insanity defense?
 
2013-08-18 07:28:05 AM
...  but it's my understanding he released intel that blew ops and got people killed - whatever his intent - that's not cool.

Alphax: Did he?  That's the first I've heard of that.


Straight copy/paste from Assange's Wiki:

Despite withholding some 15,000 incident reports for "safety reasons," thousands of documents in the Wikileaks Afghan war log do identify Afghans by name, family, location, and ideology. The Taliban issued a warning to Afghans, alleged in the log to have worked as informers for the NATO-led coalition, that "US spies" will be hunted down and punished, indicating they will investigate the named individuals before deciding on their fate.

Asked what he thought of the dangers to those families created by the release of their personal information, Assange claimed that many informers in Afghanistan were "acting in a criminal way" by sharing false information with NATO authorities. He insisted that any risk to informants' lives was outweighed by the overall importance of publishing the information.


So he was either stupid, reckless, or recklessly stupid - he put a lot of families at risk for the 'importance' of publishing the info...
 
2013-08-18 07:29:32 AM

TheXerox: Assange is best ignored. He can only do so much being holed up in the Ecudorian embassy so he says these kinds of crackpot things every now and then to get attention. Both Assange and Snowden are nothing but attention whores, they can yammer on all day about how they're idealists, but idealists actually suffer for their causes, these guys just ran and can now only hide in third world hellholes because they burned too many bridges and weren't capable of planning things out well in advance.


THANK YOU
 
2013-08-18 07:35:54 AM
What Assange is really saying....is that most Americans are too ignorant to realize Democrat and Republican parties are not really different...when it comes to many issues they agree on the same thing

Look at all the things Obama is doing that Bush did
 
2013-08-18 07:41:12 AM

FloridaFarkTag: What Assange is really saying....is that most Americans are too ignorant to realize Democrat and Republican parties are not really different...when it comes to many issues they agree on the same thing

Look at all the things Obama is doing that Bush did


Like breath, drink water, and put on pants.

Granted Obama puts his pants on his legs and not on his head, but why split hairs?
 
2013-08-18 07:53:07 AM

shower_in_my_socks: So a guy who has the US federal govt all over his ass supports a politician who hates the US federal govt. Shocking.


Pretty much that. He's a hero until and unless he has an opinion that is counter to the popular opinion. Shame on everyone who's bashing him (now) because he thinks for himself.

Not supporting Rand or that butthole Drudge. Just saying.
 
2013-08-18 07:57:22 AM

phenn: Not supporting Rand or that butthole Drudge. Just saying.


Not sure about Drudge but Rand Paul doesn't seem that bad compared to his fellow members of the Congress. Sure he's full of shiat but not any more than his peers and he does seem to actually have some sort of principles.
 
2013-08-18 07:58:55 AM

GhostFish: Rand Paul, the guy who openly complained that disaster relief wasn't leaving enough money left over for defense?

Right.


I think that sums it up nicely.
 
2013-08-18 08:03:38 AM

TuteTibiImperes: gingerjet: anfrind: I think Snowden deserves more respect than Assange.  Yes, they both leaked classified information, and in doing so might have "compromised American interests" (whatever that actually means).  But Snowden knew exactly the consequences of leaking classified information (and was subject to more severe penalties due to having been entrusted with a security clearance), and he did it anyway.  That doesn't make it right, but it takes a lot more guts than publishing a data dump from a naieve army private half a world away.

Snowden is incredibly naive and I would call him out as a coward.  And based on his public comments - he clearly isn't that bright of an individual and beyond knowing to leave the country (to China no less) - he clearly didn't think any of this through.

Too bad - the US government has been able to deflect from the material that he released and focus all the attention on Snowdens idiotic antics.

/don't get me started on the Guardian reporter that Snowden has been dealing with

Well, it did prompt Obama to give an address and promise reforms on how information is collected from US citizens, so it did have some effect.

The problem I have with Snowden and Manning is that they both broke their oaths for the government agencies that employed them.  While I think that's something possibly worth doing for the right reasons, having the courage to do it should also mean having the courage to face the consequences.

Assange isn't a US citizen, so I can't really fault him for being pissed off that the US is trying to get him.


I don't think snowmen swore an oath.

However what I think the import distinction is that snowmen 'leaked' things he thought were illegal. That can arguably be whistle blowing. Manning otoh dumped whatever he could get. I hope he gets 90 years.
 
2013-08-18 08:05:13 AM

TheJoe03: phenn: Not supporting Rand or that butthole Drudge. Just saying.

Not sure about Drudge but Rand Paul doesn't seem that bad compared to his fellow members of the Congress. Sure he's full of shiat but not any more than his peers and he does seem to actually have some sort of principles.


He has a long way to go to understand the role of government and I'm not fond of his flip flopping on certain things (drones come to mind).
 
2013-08-18 08:10:43 AM

phenn: He has a long way to go to understand the role of government and I'm not fond of his flip flopping on certain things (drones come to mind).


I agree, but the bar is pretty low when it comes to comparing him with his peers in Congress. I just wish guys like Russ Feingold were still around.
 
2013-08-18 08:25:17 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: TheXerox: Assange is best ignored. He can only do so much being holed up in the Ecudorian embassy so he says these kinds of crackpot things every now and then to get attention. Both Assange and Snowden are nothing but attention whores, they can yammer on all day about how they're idealists, but idealists actually suffer for their causes, these guys just ran and can now only hide in third world hellholes because they burned too many bridges and weren't capable of planning things out well in advance.

THANK YOU


Having to run and live in shiatholes isn't suffering?
 
2013-08-18 08:30:28 AM

sendtodave: Crotchrocket Slim: TheXerox: Assange is best ignored. He can only do so much being holed up in the Ecudorian embassy so he says these kinds of crackpot things every now and then to get attention. Both Assange and Snowden are nothing but attention whores, they can yammer on all day about how they're idealists, but idealists actually suffer for their causes, these guys just ran and can now only hide in third world hellholes because they burned too many bridges and weren't capable of planning things out well in advance.

THANK YOU

Having to run and live in shiatholes isn't suffering?


Given that they put themselves into those situations that anyone could have predicted AND they basically ran off to escape the consequences of their actions while claiming an idealistic position, very farks are available.

Just because I hate the surveillance state doesn't mean I'll give chuckleheads a pass, especially since their clumsy jackassery has focused attention on them and not on scrapping PRISM etc.
 
2013-08-18 08:31:06 AM
Very few farks that is
 
2013-08-18 08:31:35 AM
Go home, Julian.
You're drunk.

OR

You just torpedoed Perm Paul's presidential ambitions with a single sentence. I can see the Super PAC ads already.
 
2013-08-18 08:32:01 AM

Satanic_Hamster: And I think Assange is just trolling us now. Or else he's just a crazy mofo.


From the outside, the US has a fundamentally corrupt electoral system. Operating within that system, the Libertarian party seems like the only viable way to shake the foundational state of the GOP/Democratic party. No lies, Assange is wrong (fix the electoral system), but he's not as wrong as he sounds.

Also, he is a massively selfish asshole, so chances are he thinks libertarianism is pretty okay.
 
2013-08-18 08:40:24 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: Given that they put themselves into those situations that anyone could have predicted AND they basically ran off to escape the consequences of their actions while claiming an idealistic position, very few farks are available.


Sure, ideally, but when the consequences are "we throw you in a hole for a very, very long time if you open your whore mouth," I can spare a fark or two.

This isn't MLK in an Alabama jail for a little while, taking it on the chin.  This is potentially life in jail, or GITMO.  How can we expect people who feel they are leaking for the public good to suffer that?

Unless we don't value what they leak, so we don't value them.

Oh, right, that.
 
2013-08-18 09:03:05 AM

sendtodave: Crotchrocket Slim: Given that they put themselves into those situations that anyone could have predicted AND they basically ran off to escape the consequences of their actions while claiming an idealistic position, very few farks are available.

Sure, ideally, but when the consequences are "we throw you in a hole for a very, very long time if you open your whore mouth," I can spare a fark or two.

This isn't MLK in an Alabama jail for a little while, taking it on the chin.  This is potentially life in jail, or GITMO.  How can we expect people who feel they are leaking for the public good to suffer that?

Unless we don't value what they leak, so we don't value them.

Oh, right, that.


Some joke that Assange deserves more than that.  http://archive.is/KtnuJ
 
2013-08-18 09:36:02 AM
0-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2013-08-18 09:52:19 AM

badhatharry: dywed88: TuteTibiImperes: FTA:
Responding to questions during a Google Hangout session, Assange praised the college-aged supported libertarian faction of the Republican Party as the "only hope" for U.S. electoral politics.

There's a reason libertarians enjoy support from college kids in near perpetuity - they like the idea of legal pot, but once they graduate and enter the real world they realize the rest of the platform is complete bunk fairly quickly.

In general it has a lot of the same appeals as Communism. The young idealists fall for it, but as they move into reality and understand that the ideals don't actually work in the real world they move to more reasonable positions.

Really? Ahh, the utopia of not being spied on or unreasonable searches. Not fighting never ending foreign wars. What a crazy idea!


If that were the central plank of the libertarian platform these days I'd still be registered LP.  But they have a lot of views that just aren't tenable - or downright stupid.  Libertarians rail against the government and its impositions on liberty, but they refuse to acknowledge that a lack of oversight of businesses or regulations beholden to business interests are as bad (if not worse) for economic liberty than
high taxes or excessive regulations.  And folks that call themselves libertarians make an amazing fuss about spying and eavesdropping, but they don't talk much about how crippling the prison-industrial complex is for our society.  And then there's the just-too-kooky parts of the libertarian platform, like the demand to abolish the EPA.  I don't regret helping to make sure the LP got on (and stayed on) the NC ballots, but they've become lost in that same Objectivist wasteland as the teatard faction of the Republicans.

/I'd go Green Party, but organizationally they're a mess and I don't see them getting their shiat together
 
2013-08-18 10:07:59 AM

UNC_Samurai: badhatharry: dywed88: TuteTibiImperes: FTA:
Responding to questions during a Google Hangout session, Assange praised the college-aged supported libertarian faction of the Republican Party as the "only hope" for U.S. electoral politics.

There's a reason libertarians enjoy support from college kids in near perpetuity - they like the idea of legal pot, but once they graduate and enter the real world they realize the rest of the platform is complete bunk fairly quickly.

In general it has a lot of the same appeals as Communism. The young idealists fall for it, but as they move into reality and understand that the ideals don't actually work in the real world they move to more reasonable positions.

Really? Ahh, the utopia of not being spied on or unreasonable searches. Not fighting never ending foreign wars. What a crazy idea!

If that were the central plank of the libertarian platform these days I'd still be registered LP.  But they have a lot of views that just aren't tenable - or downright stupid.  Libertarians rail against the government and its impositions on liberty, but they refuse to acknowledge that a lack of oversight of businesses or regulations beholden to business interests are as bad (if not worse) for economic liberty than
high taxes or excessive regulations.  And folks that call themselves libertarians make an amazing fuss about spying and eavesdropping, but they don't talk much about how crippling the prison-industrial complex is for our society.  And then there's the just-too-kooky parts of the libertarian platform, like the demand to abolish the EPA.  I don't regret helping to make sure the LP got on (and stayed on) the NC ballots, but they've become lost in that same Objectivist wasteland as the teatard faction of the Republicans.

/I'd go Green Party, but organizationally they're a mess and I don't see them getting their shiat together


Many people don't understand that the regulations that harm small business are the result of lobbying by big business.
 
2013-08-18 10:11:06 AM

Satanic_Hamster: And I think Assange is just trolling us now


nah these two people are "on his side" only because they think that what he did hurts Obama.
had a Republican been in office they'd have asked for Assange's head on a pike.
 
2013-08-18 10:12:23 AM

badhatharry: sendtodave: Crotchrocket Slim: Given that they put themselves into those situations that anyone could have predicted AND they basically ran off to escape the consequences of their actions while claiming an idealistic position, very few farks are available.

Sure, ideally, but when the consequences are "we throw you in a hole for a very, very long time if you open your whore mouth," I can spare a fark or two.

This isn't MLK in an Alabama jail for a little while, taking it on the chin.  This is potentially life in jail, or GITMO.  How can we expect people who feel they are leaking for the public good to suffer that?

Unless we don't value what they leak, so we don't value them.

Oh, right, that.

Some joke that Assange deserves more than that.  http://archive.is/KtnuJ


I was friends with his son. His son has since been disappeared, because American right-wingers started doing things like mailing bullets to his mother. Who hasn't seen Julian in like, twenty years.
 
2013-08-18 10:23:40 AM
Laugh all you want, but we drove him to this. It's on our heads. All he wanted was to be the center of everyone's attention. But no, you had to go and read an article about something else. You just had to talk about the economy or Egypt or what you're going to have for dinner. And this is what happens. Just to get people to look at him again, Assange has gone off the deep end. I hope you're happy, you monsters.
 
2013-08-18 10:50:30 AM
If there is anything Julian Assange has ever done that proves he is not a journalist, this is it.  He obviously knows almost nothing about Rand Paul or Matt Drudge.
 
2013-08-18 11:07:02 AM
Go home, Julian, you're drunk.
 
2013-08-18 11:09:50 AM

Hobodeluxe: nah these two people are "on his side" only because they think that what he did hurts Obama.


This, more or less. We can argue whether other leakers meant well or intended malice, but Assange really did, and still does, intend to hurt the US. He seems to think that we're the only thing preventing the rise of some kind of Eurotopia.
 
2013-08-18 11:15:04 AM

TalenLee: Also, he is a massively selfish asshole, so chances are he thinks libertarianism is pretty okay.


Aaaaaaaaaand bingo was his name-o.
 
2013-08-18 11:28:56 AM

Apik0r0s: And we all know he said these things, right?


Pretty sure.

http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?ID=4989

(Sorry, on a phone... cutnpaste)

There's video of Assange saying these things, though it takes till the end to bring it all it all together. It seems to be more of a distaste for the entrenched Democrats and Republicans.

The reference to Drudge is in a separate question, though he seems to praise his actions rather than his content.
 
2013-08-18 11:44:14 AM

whidbey: dtrfa but if Assange is seriously endorsing either Paul, he is a bigger ignorant asshole than previously imagined.


Sounds like he's going cuckoo being stuck so long.
 
2013-08-18 12:42:04 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: Laugh all you want, but we drove him to this. It's on our heads. All he wanted was to be the center of everyone's attention. But no, you had to go and read an article about something else. You just had to talk about the economy or Egypt or what you're going to have for dinner. And this is what happens. Just to get people to look at him again, Assange has gone off the deep end. I hope you're happy, you monsters.



Attention Whore Slapfight
Assange vs. Snowden
No matter who wins... we lose.

 
2013-08-18 12:57:20 PM
I want to know what is in Wikileaks "insurance" file.
 
2013-08-18 01:08:18 PM

log_jammin: Triumph: Hell the guy who ran covert assassinations for the CIA, E. Howard Hunt, confessed on tape that he was involved in the Kennedy assassination and the press acts like it never happened.

because it didn't.

Hunt's widow and her two children, 27-year-old Austin and 23-year-old Hollis, dismiss the brothers' story, saying it is the result of coaching an old man whose lucidity waxed and waned in his final months.

Kevan bitterly accuses her brothers of "elder abuse," saying they pressured their father for dramatic scenarios for their own financial gain. Hunt's longtime lawyer, Bill Snyder, says: "Howard was just speculating. He had no hard evidence."


Yeah - I read the book. The widow was desperate for the story not to get out. Remember, Hunt's first wife was in the CIA too and was killed in a plane crash while carrying hush money for Nixon. She's the mother of Hunt's kids.
 
2013-08-18 01:14:26 PM

liam76: I don't think snowmen swore an oath.

However what I think the import distinction is that snowmen 'leaked' things he thought were illegal. That can arguably be whistle blowing. Manning otoh dumped whatever he could get. I hope he gets 90 years.


I don't recall if it's technically an oath, but before granting access to classified information, the government does make you sign an agreement that you will protect that information for as long as you live.  And as I mentioned earlier in the thread, they tell you all of the various consequences of leaking classified information, and they have plenty of scare stories about people who got caught.
 
2013-08-18 01:32:08 PM

TalenLee: Satanic_Hamster: And I think Assange is just trolling us now. Or else he's just a crazy mofo.

From the outside, the US has a fundamentally corrupt electoral system. Operating within that system, the Libertarian party seems like the only viable way to shake the foundational state of the GOP/Democratic party. No lies, Assange is wrong (fix the electoral system), but he's not as wrong as he sounds.

Also, he is a massively selfish asshole, so chances are he thinks libertarianism is pretty okay.


You realize Paul is not a "Libertarian," right? He's firmly in the GOP, just like his dad was.
 
2013-08-18 03:29:48 PM
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2013-08-18 03:54:48 PM

TuteTibiImperes: TheXerox: Assange is best ignored. He can only do so much being holed up in the Ecudorian embassy so he says these kinds of crackpot things every now and then to get attention. Both Assange and Snowden are nothing but attention whores, they can yammer on all day about how they're idealists, but idealists actually suffer for their causes, these guys just ran and can now only hide in third world hellholes because they burned too many bridges and weren't capable of planning things out well in advance.

Neither the Ecuadorian embassy nor Russia are third world hell holes, even if Assange eventually makes it to Ecuador itself, it has plenty of fairly nice and modern areas.

I'd have thought Assange would be trying to keep a low profile though, hoping that the US and UK eventually stop paying as much attention so that he can just slip onboard a plane to get out of the embassy.


You should read up on the modern russian political system and its corruption and what Snowden did.  Sure he COULD have gone to North Korea, but then everyone would have gotten the joke.
 
2013-08-18 04:45:32 PM

gingerjet: anfrind: I think Snowden deserves more respect than Assange.  Yes, they both leaked classified information, and in doing so might have "compromised American interests" (whatever that actually means).  But Snowden knew exactly the consequences of leaking classified information (and was subject to more severe penalties due to having been entrusted with a security clearance), and he did it anyway.  That doesn't make it right, but it takes a lot more guts than publishing a data dump from a naieve army private half a world away.

Snowden is incredibly naive and I would call him out as a coward.  And based on his public comments - he clearly isn't that bright of an individual and beyond knowing to leave the country (to China no less) - he clearly didn't think any of this through.

Too bad - the US government has been able to deflect from the material that he released and focus all the attention on Snowdens idiotic antics.

/don't get me started on the Guardian reporter that Snowden has been dealing with


Gingerjet please tell me I haven't heard of them.
 
2013-08-18 04:53:59 PM

OhioUGrad: I want to know what is in Wikileaks "insurance" file.


Unspeakable atrocities committed by the Geico Gecko™
 
2013-08-18 05:04:01 PM

UNC_Samurai: And folks that call themselves libertarians make an amazing fuss about spying and eavesdropping, but they don't talk much about how crippling the prison-industrial complex is for our society.  And then there's the just-too-kooky parts of the libertarian platform, like the demand to abolish the EPA.  I don't regret helping to make sure the LP got on (and stayed on) the NC ballots, but they've become lost in that same Objectivist wasteland as the teatard faction of the Republicans.


Libertarians are people who insist that Ron Paul supporters were somehow "cheated" out of the last election because they got outvoted, then turn around and endorse voting suppression laws on the basis that those laws keep black people who disagree with them from voting.

Also, they're people who wear "don't tread on me" buttons while literally stomping on the head of an unarmed protestor for carrying a protest sign.
 
2013-08-18 05:08:31 PM
Julian Assange:  Clever enough to achieve the ultimate male fantasy of carrying on with two Swedish women at the same time.  Boneheaded enough to let them find out about each other.
 
2013-08-18 05:24:13 PM

anfrind: I don't recall if it's technically an oath, but before granting access to classified information, the government does make you sign an agreement that you will protect that information for as long as you live.


Maybe, shockingly, Bradley Manning actually took his oath seriously.  The one that says he "will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic".

What's sad to me is that clearly the American armed forces and intelligence community has a very large number of people who can see illegal, unconstitutional things happen every day and say nothing.  I would call them the gutless traitors.
 
2013-08-18 05:34:55 PM
Julian Assange is the name a douchebag would have. Note, I am not talking about him, his politics, his legal situation, his activities... any of it. Just his name

If I were writing a novel or screenplay and I needed a douchebag character, Julian Assange would be a good name for that character. Possibly a Bond villain... maybe. Perhaps the overbearing Chief in a buddy cop romp. Maybe the jock in a high school movie... of course, everyone would know him as Butch. Francis in Stripes could've been a Julian Assange, although "Lighten up, Julian" lacks force. Speaking of force...a Star Wars character... but don't let Lucas name him or he'll become Assjul Angian of the planet Denswestralia and speak like he was Vietnamese. And click when he spoke. He'd probably click. So more like a !Kung.

Really... the possibilities are endless.

Yep, Julian Assange ... good douchebag name.
 
2013-08-18 05:47:24 PM

if_i_really_have_to: anfrind: I don't recall if it's technically an oath, but before granting access to classified information, the government does make you sign an agreement that you will protect that information for as long as you live.

Maybe, shockingly, Bradley Manning actually took his oath seriously.  The one that says he "will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic".


At the risk of sounding like John Kerry, there's a right way to blow the whistle, and there's a wrong way.  Handing over specific documents that prove illegal activities to trusted journalists (as W. Mark Felt did after the Watergate break-in) is the right way.  Dumping a mountain of documents where you can't possibly know their entire contents ahead of time is the wrong way.

As mentioned earlier in the thread, some of these documents contain the names of informants that our enemies (e.g. the Taliban) would kill without hesitation if they knew who they were.  However, nobody in the intelligence community will ever openly admit that an informant has been killed, because they don't want our enemies to be sure that they actually caught the informant, so there's no way to know how many people (if any) have died as a direct result of the Mr. Manning's leak.

What's sad to me is that clearly the American armed forces and intelligence community has a very large number of people who can see illegal, unconstitutional things happen every day and say nothing.  I would call them the gutless traitors.

I wouldn't be so quick to pass judgment.  There are oversight mechanisms intended to prevent illegal activities under the guise of national security, but since they are classified at the same level as the activities they oversee, it's impossible to know if they're working properly without having the necessary clearance and need-to-know (which many Congress members do have but fail to exercise).

While I certainly agree that there are abuses that need to be corrected, I kind of suspect that the stories that get leaked are more likely to involve screw-ups or abuses of power, since those are more likely to be leaked (due to incompetence or deliberate whistleblowing, respectively).  For example, if the operation that the movie "Argo" was based on had failed, it most likely would have come to light very soon afterward, rather than 25 years later when the documents were officially declassified.
 
2013-08-18 06:05:31 PM

if_i_really_have_to: anfrind: I don't recall if it's technically an oath, but before granting access to classified information, the government does make you sign an agreement that you will protect that information for as long as you live.

Maybe, shockingly, Bradley Manning actually took his oath seriously.  The one that says he "will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic".

What's sad to me is that clearly the American armed forces and intelligence community has a very large number of people who can see illegal, unconstitutional things happen every day and say nothing.  I would call them the gutless traitors.


There you have it, folks. The U.S. Military: millions of traitors surrounded by one hero.
 
2013-08-18 07:57:16 PM

SenorBenedict: LordJiro: SenorBenedict: I'm still at a loss as to what Snowden told us that we didn't already know about. I mean fark sake Swordfish a movie that came out in 2001 had a plot point about the NSA reading your emails.

And the Simpsons were joking about it in '06. The only difference now is that we know the official name of the program. And the vast majority of Americans will, once again, stop caring (assuming they haven't already) for another few years. The NSA knows it, and the rest of the government knows it, and they know there's no actual political pressure for them to quit this shiat.

Well to be honest I like where Henry Rollins took it. Google has more of my direct personal information and no public accountability. So farked if I care what the NSA knows, they don't send me targeted spam messages about needing dick pills because I read the fark politics tab...


The difference is Google doesn't have subpoena powers.
 
2013-08-18 08:59:56 PM

propasaurus: There you have it, folks. The U.S. Military: millions of traitors surrounded by one hero.


They don't realize that they're helping to destroy the constitution.
 
2013-08-18 09:34:25 PM
Wow, after this I'm convinced that the 400 GB "insurance" file is actually a rip of the complete Ass Invaders series.
 
2013-08-18 09:36:54 PM
I love how everyone appears to agree that Assange is a douche, but not nearly hearing the same level of criticism for Rand (or Ron) Paul.
 
2013-08-18 09:59:14 PM

propasaurus: if_i_really_have_to: anfrind: I don't recall if it's technically an oath, but before granting access to classified information, the government does make you sign an agreement that you will protect that information for as long as you live.

Maybe, shockingly, Bradley Manning actually took his oath seriously.  The one that says he "will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic".

What's sad to me is that clearly the American armed forces and intelligence community has a very large number of people who can see illegal, unconstitutional things happen every day and say nothing.  I would call them the gutless traitors.

There you have it, folks. The U.S. Military: millions of traitors surrounded by one hero.


WTF?

Okay, what would you call someone who swore an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution literally with their life, and then proceeded every single day to ignore or facilitate breaches of the Constitution?

Would you call that laudable?  Brave?  Honest?  Just?  Patriotic?  Are there any positive adjectives you would attach to that behaviour?
 
2013-08-18 11:18:02 PM
Help me Obi Rand Paulobi! You're our only hope!

Wow depserate hour is desperate.

So basically Assange is saying here that we're all pretty much hooped.
 
2013-08-19 01:43:19 AM

Triumph: The widow was desperate for the story not to get out.


and the other kids were in on it too huh?

you conspiracy nuts are all the same.
 
2013-08-19 01:44:38 AM

Triumph: I read the book.


"Jesse Ventura (forward)"

lol
 
2013-08-19 02:47:20 AM

log_jammin: Triumph: The widow was desperate for the story not to get out.

and the other kids were in on it too huh?

you conspiracy nuts are all the same.


The second family didn't want more shame brought on Hunt and thus, them. The situation is well explained by his son.
Hunt's CIA job was assassinations. He was arrested and photographed in Dallas, but let go. He knew a lot of people already suspected his involvement, so he confessed, but did so to pin all the blame on LBJ, who was likely not actually the true godfather of it. He loved being a spy and his last act was a limited hangout.
You say he was senile and deranged? I say he was obfuscating by telling a small truth in order to pin all the blame on LBJ and protect the Republicans involved.
 
2013-08-19 02:53:47 AM

Triumph: The second family didn't want more shame brought on Hunt and thus, them. The situation is well explained by his son.
Hunt's CIA job was assassinations. He was arrested and photographed in Dallas, but let go. He knew a lot of people already suspected his involvement, so he confessed, but did so to pin all the blame on LBJ, who was likely not actually the true godfather of it. He loved being a spy and his last act was a limited hangout.
You say he was senile and deranged? I say he was obfuscating by telling a small truth in order to pin all the blame on LBJ and protect the Republicans involved.


*pats head*

ok.
 
2013-08-19 03:08:48 AM

Triumph: log_jammin: Triumph: The widow was desperate for the story not to get out.

and the other kids were in on it too huh?

you conspiracy nuts are all the same.

The second family didn't want more shame brought on Hunt and thus, them. The situation is well explained by his son.
Hunt's CIA job was assassinations. He was arrested and photographed in Dallas, but let go. He knew a lot of people already suspected his involvement, so he confessed, but did so to pin all the blame on LBJ, who was likely not actually the true godfather of it. He loved being a spy and his last act was a limited hangout.
You say he was senile and deranged? I say he was obfuscating by telling a small truth in order to pin all the blame on LBJ and protect the Republicans involved.


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