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2013-08-17 08:15:40 PM  
Snooki?
 
2013-08-17 08:36:02 PM  
What do you mean by "coming soon?"

There has ALWAYS been a grey space between male and female.
 
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2013-08-17 09:01:13 PM  
There has always been a third gender, just because American birth certificates don't recognize humans with both male and female genitalia doesn't mean they don't exist.

Hermaphrodites
 
2013-08-17 09:14:22 PM  
Good on Germany, I've read as high as 2% of population are "born this way."
 
2013-08-17 09:15:49 PM  

"Germany's move will put more pressure on Brussels," Agius said. "That can only be a good thing."


Nothing bad has ever come of German movement pressuring Belgium.  Nope, not at all.
 
2013-08-17 09:16:57 PM  
Der Die Das
 
2013-08-17 09:28:20 PM  
I originally read that as "third grader" and hey, who's at the door?
 
2013-08-17 09:28:41 PM  
I am perfectly fine with this decision.
 
2013-08-17 09:53:01 PM  
Coming soon?

Does this mean that males will drop to second in that category?
 
2013-08-17 10:09:02 PM  

Hanky: Good on Germany, I've read as high as 2% of population are "born this way."


That's technically true, although the German law will only address a tiny percentage of intersexed people.  Probably less than 0.2% of births are sufficiently physically ambiguous for them to be covered by this law.  The majority of intersexed people are indistinguishable from males and females on casual visual inspection (and a significant number of them are never aware that they are intersexed).  The option of leaving a baby's sex blank on the birth certificate won't typically apply to them.

Also, subby, technically speaking, this article is about a third  sex rather than a third  gender.  The terms are often used interchangeably, but they are different.  Sex is a biological phenomenon, primarily linked to the types of gametes one produces.  Gender is a socially constructed and socially mediated conception about the meaning and significance of sex differences and the behaviors and practices that are assumed to be proper and typical of the sexes.    (That's not your mistake, it's the article's error.)
 
2013-08-17 10:23:26 PM  
Hopefully the 3rd one turns out better than the two currently in existence have.
 
2013-08-17 10:23:47 PM  
Finally something we can all enjoy.
 
2013-08-17 10:24:41 PM  

Mmmrky: "Germany's move will put more pressure on Brussels," Agius said. "That can only be a good thing."


Nothing bad has ever come of German movement pressuring Belgium.  Nope, not at all.


I'm pretty sure in this context "Brussels" refers to the EU, not Belgium.
 
2013-08-17 10:24:53 PM  
I'm envisioning a circle with a question mark or enterobang on top.
 
2013-08-17 10:25:10 PM  

Mmmrky: "Germany's move will put more pressure on Brussels," Agius said. "That can only be a good thing."


Nothing bad has ever come of German movement pressuring Belgium.  Nope, not at all.


Damn you run through a country a time or two and you never hear the end of it
 
2013-08-17 10:25:57 PM  

Hanky: Good on Germany, I've read as high as 2% of population are "born this way."


I see what you did there
 
2013-08-17 10:28:48 PM  
There will be a waiting list for IMXXXY vanity plates
 
2013-08-17 10:29:32 PM  
IT.
 
2013-08-17 10:30:09 PM  
I guess it's easier to indulge psychoses instead of treating them.
 
2013-08-17 10:30:15 PM  
Just as  there are an infinite number of potential dimensions, so there are an infinite number of potential genders.
 
2013-08-17 10:31:12 PM  
The third gender is the only one that you can tell to go fark themselves, and it would be considered flirting.
 
2013-08-17 10:31:43 PM  

Churchill2004: Mmmrky: "Germany's move will put more pressure on Brussels," Agius said. "That can only be a good thing."


Nothing bad has ever come of German movement pressuring Belgium.  Nope, not at all.

I'm pretty sure in this context "Brussels" refers to the EU, not Belgium.


Yes, I know, but that really restricts the World War I/II references.
 
2013-08-17 10:32:43 PM  
It's not so much of a "third gender" but allowing the gender to be determined after the afterbirth when physical, biological exams are not enough to determine which gender the baby is. It's a "wait and see" to the gender checkboxes.
 
2013-08-17 10:32:50 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-08-17 10:34:02 PM  
MALE_
FEMALE_
check one or both or none


(all they had to add)
 
2013-08-17 10:35:24 PM  

GoldSpider: I guess it's easier to indulge psychoses instead of treating them.


I guess it's easier to make wildly inaccurate statements than it is to read the article.

They're talking about cases of intersexism where there's enough ambiguity that a determination of sex can't immediately be made. Intersexism is a physically measurable phenomenon that has nothing to do with psychiatry or mental illness.
 
2013-08-17 10:36:03 PM  
Brazil did these years ago, even forcing many establishments to have a bathroom for the third gender.   His, hers, and shems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender
 
2013-08-17 10:37:42 PM  
Holy hermaphrodite Batman!
 
2013-08-17 10:37:44 PM  
Behold: the Fourth Reich.
 
2013-08-17 10:40:16 PM  
I thought sex described genitalia and genetics(male, female, intersex)  Gender encompassed the ways in which we describe ourselves which may or may not be related to an individual's sex (Boy, girl, other) and  Sexuality described the sexual attraction (or lack thereof) a person feels towards a person(s) of another/same gender(s) (Heterosexual, Homosexual, Bisexual, Asexual).  This isn't anything new or complicated is it?
 
2013-08-17 10:40:42 PM  

MechaPyx: GoldSpider: I guess it's easier to indulge psychoses instead of treating them.

I guess it's easier to make wildly inaccurate statements than it is to read the article.

They're talking about cases of intersexism where there's enough ambiguity that a determination of sex can't immediately be made. Intersexism is a physically measurable phenomenon that has nothing to do with psychiatry or mental illness.


Even apart from GoldSpider's post not having anything to do with TFA, it's also ignorant in that (a) gender dysphoria is not a psychosis, and (2) it's completely unresponsive to psychotherapy, psychiatric medication, or indeed anything but accepting the subject as a member of their preferred gender.
 
2013-08-17 10:44:32 PM  
I'm remembering an aphorism about things...

We are born and put into a box. We go home in a box. We are raised in a box. We are educated in a system where we fill in the box. We are then employed in a box while asked to think outside the box. Then we die and get put in a box.

What part of deviation from the norm don't you understand?
 
2013-08-17 10:45:02 PM  
I think this old jerky boys bit applies to this thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7OXanEv5CQ">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=v7OXanEv5CQ
 
2013-08-17 10:45:13 PM  

Mithiwithi: MechaPyx: GoldSpider: I guess it's easier to indulge psychoses instead of treating them.

I guess it's easier to make wildly inaccurate statements than it is to read the article.

They're talking about cases of intersexism where there's enough ambiguity that a determination of sex can't immediately be made. Intersexism is a physically measurable phenomenon that has nothing to do with psychiatry or mental illness.

Even apart from GoldSpider's post not having anything to do with TFA, it's also ignorant in that (a) gender dysphoria is not a psychosis, and (2) it's completely unresponsive to psychotherapy, psychiatric medication, or indeed anything but accepting the subject as a member of their preferred gender.


Yeah but I wasn't going to get into that argument. It never ends well.
 
2013-08-17 10:47:21 PM  

FloydA: Hanky: Good on Germany, I've read as high as 2% of population are "born this way."

That's technically true, although the German law will only address a tiny percentage of intersexed people.  Probably less than 0.2% of births are sufficiently physically ambiguous for them to be covered by this law.  The majority of intersexed people are indistinguishable from males and females on casual visual inspection (and a significant number of them are never aware that they are intersexed).  The option of leaving a baby's sex blank on the birth certificate won't typically apply to them.

Also, subby, technically speaking, this article is about a third  sex rather than a third  gender.  The terms are often used interchangeably, but they are different.  Sex is a biological phenomenon, primarily linked to the types of gametes one produces.  Gender is a socially constructed and socially mediated conception about the meaning and significance of sex differences and the behaviors and practices that are assumed to be proper and typical of the sexes.    (That's not your mistake, it's the article's error.)


I don't know about you but sex is awesome.
 
2013-08-17 10:47:40 PM  

VelcroFez: I am perfectly fine with this decision.


Yours is the correct reaction. I know some people will choose to wad their undies, but I don't understand why.
 
2013-08-17 10:47:57 PM  

FloydA: Also, subby, technically speaking, this article is about a third sex rather than a third gender. The terms are often used interchangeably, but they are different. Sex is a biological phenomenon, primarily linked to the types of gametes one produces. Gender is a socially constructed and socially mediated conception about the meaning and significance of sex differences and the behaviors and practices that are assumed to be proper and typical of the sexes. (That's not your mistake, it's the article's error.)


You realize that that notion is a relatively recent phenomenon, right? And that unless the masses adopt its usage in that way, that's only an secondary or alternative viewpoint?
 
2013-08-17 10:48:13 PM  

Mithiwithi: Even apart from GoldSpider's post not having anything to do with TFA, it's also ignorant in that (a) gender dysphoria is not a psychosis, and (2) it's completely unresponsive to psychotherapy, psychiatric medication, or indeed anything but accepting the subject as a member of their preferred gender.


I'm not going to pretend to understand how it would feel for someone to have a perception of themself that is opposite of their physical traits, but to me that's something wired the brain that got crossed up somewhere.  We treat it as if the rest of the body is what's wrong and must be fixed.  I know that the treatment doesn't exist yet, but I think avoiding traumatic (and imperfect) surgery is a poor substitute.
 
2013-08-17 10:48:40 PM  

FloydA: Hanky: Good on Germany, I've read as high as 2% of population are "born this way."

That's technically true, although the German law will only address a tiny percentage of intersexed people.  Probably less than 0.2% of births are sufficiently physically ambiguous for them to be covered by this law.  The majority of intersexed people are indistinguishable from males and females on casual visual inspection (and a significant number of them are never aware that they are intersexed).  The option of leaving a baby's sex blank on the birth certificate won't typically apply to them.

Also, subby, technically speaking, this article is about a third  sex rather than a third  gender.  The terms are often used interchangeably, but they are different.  Sex is a biological phenomenon, primarily linked to the types of gametes one produces.  Gender is a socially constructed and socially mediated conception about the meaning and significance of sex differences and the behaviors and practices that are assumed to be proper and typical of the sexes.    (That's not your mistake, it's the article's error.)


gender == sex

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender
 
2013-08-17 10:49:56 PM  
www.bookmice.net

Approve. After all, it takes three to tango.
 
2013-08-17 10:50:27 PM  

cretinbob: Der Die Das


If you want a real party, consider some languages have up to twenty genders.
 
2013-08-17 10:50:33 PM  
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2013-08-17 10:55:46 PM  
Bow down to your mighty tranny overlords.
 
2013-08-17 10:56:34 PM  

tetsoushima: This isn't anything new . . . is it?


Yes.

GENDER 1. A kind; a sort. Shakesp. 2. A sex. 3. [In grammar] A denomination given to nouns....

A Dictionary of the English Language, Samuel Johnson, 1768
 
2013-08-17 10:57:11 PM  
Want to know what gender I am?  Awesome.  Close your eyes tight and open your mouth up real wide.
 
2013-08-17 10:57:29 PM  
actually, Sex and gender are not the same thing... ask the Fark Trans Brigade
 
2013-08-17 11:00:30 PM  
i39.tinypic.com
 
2013-08-17 11:01:55 PM  
I'm for it here in america as long as is it goes male / female / gross.
 
2013-08-17 11:02:20 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: FloydA: Also, subby, technically speaking, this article is about a third sex rather than a third gender. The terms are often used interchangeably, but they are different. Sex is a biological phenomenon, primarily linked to the types of gametes one produces. Gender is a socially constructed and socially mediated conception about the meaning and significance of sex differences and the behaviors and practices that are assumed to be proper and typical of the sexes. (That's not your mistake, it's the article's error.)

You realize that that notion is a relatively recent phenomenon, right? And that unless the masses adopt its usage in that way, that's only an secondary or alternative viewpoint?


The terms gender and sex are thrown around by sociology professors at universities so much that they have lost all general meaning - each has chosen the words to mean what they need them to mean for their pet theory, and so they only mean something in a very specific context when in reference to academia.

But for the layman?  Same thing.

/Im guessing FloydA is some sort of student or other scholarly type
 
2013-08-17 11:02:35 PM  
I think its sick the way they generalize these newborns as babies, they should be aloud to pick their own species.
 
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