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(Chicago Trib)   First they came for the hand-held cellphone users, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a hand-held cellphone user   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 40
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2013-08-17 11:36:25 AM
Good, they should also treat texting and driving with more harshness.
 
2013-08-17 12:00:11 PM
Actually, I'm not speaking out because I think this is a great idea.

basemetal: Good, they should also treat texting and driving with more harshness.


This too.
 
2013-08-17 01:32:20 PM
Wouldn't texting and using a cell while driving already fall under "Inattentive Driving" laws that already exist?
 
2013-08-17 01:33:20 PM
They should apply this and texting laws to grocery carts too.
 
2013-08-17 01:33:55 PM
Wow... personal freedoms are just vanishing at an alarming rate.

What's next?!?!
 
2013-08-17 01:37:10 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Actually, I'm not speaking out because I think this is a great idea.

basemetal: Good, they should also treat texting and driving with more harshness.

This too.


this ^3
 
2013-08-17 01:39:18 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Wow... personal freedoms are just vanishing at an alarming rate.

What's next?!?!


Road head
 
2013-08-17 01:39:20 PM
The fine is double that in Toronto and it hasn't changed a thing. Talking on the cell is a close second to changing lanes without signalling, followed closely by making left turns into the right lane.
 
2013-08-17 01:39:51 PM

basemetal: Good, they should also treat texting and driving with more harshness.


I can get behind a ban on texting every study shows its one of the most distracting things to do behind the wheel but hand held or hands free cell phones are exactly the same it won't make any diffrance at all either ban them completely or allow them without restrictions
 
2013-08-17 01:40:20 PM
I support this, because I don't think people should operate heavy machinery while multitasking.  I don't care what the multitasking is; no makeup, no texting, no calling, no watching TV (yes, people do this while driving)

We really, really need cars that drive themselves.  Manually operated automobiles kill a whole lot more people than terrorists do in this country.
 
2013-08-17 01:42:11 PM

Great Justice: I support this, because I don't think people should operate heavy machinery while multitasking.  I don't care what the multitasking is; no makeup, no texting, no calling, no watching TV (yes, people do this while driving)

We really, really need cars that drive themselves.  Manually operated automobiles kill a whole lot more people than terrorists do in this country.


This. I am looking forward to the day when I can stumble out of the bar and tell my car to take me home while I text my friends.
 
2013-08-17 01:43:14 PM
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2013-08-17 01:51:35 PM

Aquapope: Wouldn't texting and using a cell while driving already fall under "Inattentive Driving" laws that already exist?


Came here for this.  I've never understood the push for additional laws that single out one or two things that already fall under an existing law.
I'm not sure if "double jeopardy" is the term I want to use, but it does seem like a way to charge people twice for a single offense.  Citation 1: Driving while texting/using phone, Citation 2: Inattentive Driving.  Is that even constitutional?

I can understand getting a speeding ticket and a reckless driving ticket, one's for how fast you are going, one is for erratic maneuvering, and you could get either without the other (going 10 over isn't necessarily reckless on its own, swerving around going exactly the speed limit is still reckless). While if you're using your cell phone and/or texting, you're definitely being inattentive while driving.
 
2013-08-17 01:53:40 PM

pedobearapproved: Pray 4 Mojo: Wow... personal freedoms are just vanishing at an alarming rate.

What's next?!?!

Road head


Doesn't need laws to punish road head
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2013-08-17 02:00:13 PM
There are already similar laws in California. It was kind of annoying at first. Now I live in Oklahoma and I see people do dumb/distracted crap every day. Every. Day.  Now I wish these laws were nation wide.
 
2013-08-17 02:00:53 PM

Semantic Warrior: Aquapope: Wouldn't texting and using a cell while driving already fall under "Inattentive Driving" laws that already exist?

Came here for this.  I've never understood the push for additional laws that single out one or two things that already fall under an existing law.
I'm not sure if "double jeopardy" is the term I want to use, but it does seem like a way to charge people twice for a single offense.  Citation 1: Driving while texting/using phone, Citation 2: Inattentive Driving.  Is that even constitutional?

I can understand getting a speeding ticket and a reckless driving ticket, one's for how fast you are going, one is for erratic maneuvering, and you could get either without the other (going 10 over isn't necessarily reckless on its own, swerving around going exactly the speed limit is still reckless). While if you're using your cell phone and/or texting, you're definitely being inattentive while driving.


My thought wasn't so much about the possibility for 2 charges for the same infraction, it was more about have an unnecessarily more defined illegal activity when a broader definition is already in use.  Like having a law against killing white men AND a law against killing people.  Some may argue that white men aren't people, but I consider the first to be a subset of the second, and the second law suffices.

Or maybe passing a cell/texting law makes the legislator appear to be doing something useful, and not voting for that kind of law gives your opponent the opportunity to say you're soft on crime or some such.  Nah, that can't be it.
 
2013-08-17 02:18:04 PM
Ban all phone usage behind the wheel, unless you're calling emergency personnel. Full stop.

We also need more fuzz enforcing this law, as we have a pretty hefty fine for it here in NY, yet a hefty percentage of drivers do it anyway. So let's raise the fines up really high, to $500 for first offense and $1000 for second, etc.
 
2013-08-17 02:22:42 PM
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Approves
 
2013-08-17 02:22:54 PM
The derpitude being displayed in central Illinois about this decision is off the charts - numerous "libertarians" saying things like the following:

"But when they control everything, I'll be sitting back saying 'I told you so!' Because whether you want to believe it or not it's coming.  This is only the start."

Yes, in regard to a state requiring hands-free devices to talk on a cellphone while driving.
 
2013-08-17 02:41:13 PM

Semantic Warrior: Aquapope: Wouldn't texting and using a cell while driving already fall under "Inattentive Driving" laws that already exist?

Came here for this.  I've never understood the push for additional laws that single out one or two things that already fall under an existing law.
I'm not sure if "double jeopardy" is the term I want to use, but it does seem like a way to charge people twice for a single offense.  Citation 1: Driving while texting/using phone, Citation 2: Inattentive Driving.  Is that even constitutional?

I can understand getting a speeding ticket and a reckless driving ticket, one's for how fast you are going, one is for erratic maneuvering, and you could get either without the other (going 10 over isn't necessarily reckless on its own, swerving around going exactly the speed limit is still reckless). While if you're using your cell phone and/or texting, you're definitely being inattentive while driving.


I think it's because some people in general tend to act like children and do something they shouldn't unless they are specifically told not to do something.
 
2013-08-17 02:48:45 PM
Is this law new, or is Illinois just catching up with the times?  I'm so used to living in states where talking on a cell phone while driving has been illegal for some time now.
 
2013-08-17 02:50:45 PM

Aquapope: Semantic Warrior: Aquapope: Wouldn't texting and using a cell while driving already fall under "Inattentive Driving" laws that already exist?

Came here for this.  I've never understood the push for additional laws that single out one or two things that already fall under an existing law.
I'm not sure if "double jeopardy" is the term I want to use, but it does seem like a way to charge people twice for a single offense.  Citation 1: Driving while texting/using phone, Citation 2: Inattentive Driving.  Is that even constitutional?

I can understand getting a speeding ticket and a reckless driving ticket, one's for how fast you are going, one is for erratic maneuvering, and you could get either without the other (going 10 over isn't necessarily reckless on its own, swerving around going exactly the speed limit is still reckless). While if you're using your cell phone and/or texting, you're definitely being inattentive while driving.

My thought wasn't so much about the possibility for 2 charges for the same infraction, it was more about have an unnecessarily more defined illegal activity when a broader definition is already in use.  Like having a law against killing white men AND a law against killing people.  Some may argue that white men aren't people, but I consider the first to be a subset of the second, and the second law suffices.

Or maybe passing a cell/texting law makes the legislator appear to be doing something useful, and not voting for that kind of law gives your opponent the opportunity to say you're soft on crime or some such.  Nah, that can't be it.



With the inattentive driving law on the books, they generally only fine/cite you if it resulted in an accident. Pulling you over and ticketing you on that law generally gets tossed due to being difficult to prosecute for some reason.

Having a specific law makes getting out of these tickets harder, and eases the burden on the courts / officers.

Texting IS included in this new bill in the form of significantly boosting the penalties if an accident is resulted from cell phone use or texting.


This is the first move I wholeheartedly support from Quinn. Not that I still wont get cut off 5 times a day by people on cell phones, but at least theirs a chance that number drops a bit.
 
2013-08-17 02:55:37 PM

Aquapope: Wouldn't texting and using a cell while driving already fall under "Inattentive Driving" laws that already exist?


Yeah, but then the politicians dont look like theyre doing something. Enforcing existing laws is hard and costs money, making new laws that wont be enforced is cheap and easy.
 
2013-08-17 02:56:51 PM

Honest Bender: There are already similar laws in California. It was kind of annoying at first. Now I live in Oklahoma and I see people do dumb/distracted crap every day. Every. Day.  Now I wish these laws were nation wide.


Funny. I still live in California and I see people do dumb/distracted crap every day.
 
2013-08-17 02:58:46 PM

Vector R: Ban all phone usage behind the wheel, unless you're calling emergency personnel. Full stop.


You're right. It would be much safer to go back to fumbling with paper maps while driving, instead of using the voice-directed GPS on modern smartphones.
 
2013-08-17 03:00:14 PM

basemetal: Good, they should also treat texting and driving with more harshness.


First offense, cut off one finger, second offense, cut off two, etc.
 
2013-08-17 03:10:00 PM

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OK, now that's just awesome. I have a few friends who could do that. I wonder if they have.
 
2013-08-17 03:13:33 PM

SCUBA_Archer: Is this law new, or is Illinois just catching up with the times?  I'm so used to living in states where talking on a cell phone while driving has been illegal for some time now.


It's new and doesn't go into effect until 01/01/14.
 
2013-08-17 03:15:45 PM
"Rather, researchers contend that all cell phone use is equally distracting once a conversation starts, noting that accident rates did not change in other states that have implemented bans on hand-held phones behind the wheel. "

Having lived in multiple states before and after they've enacted bans I think I know why accident rates stayed the same - almost no one obeys the damned laws. And police don't either don't enforce it or people are smart enough to put the phone in their lap when they see a cop car.
 
2013-08-17 03:19:34 PM

Krieghund: Vector R: Ban all phone usage behind the wheel, unless you're calling emergency personnel. Full stop.

You're right. It would be much safer to go back to fumbling with paper maps while driving, instead of using the voice-directed GPS on modern smartphones.


Yes, because it's OMG SO HARD to pull over to fool around with your phone.
 
2013-08-17 03:34:31 PM
As a professional driver, I find this ridiculous. If they want to increase driver safety, make it harder to get a license. In all honesty, most people out there shouldn't be driving. Make it necessary to demonstrate that you can drive in multiple conditons and can handle owning / maintaining a car. Self driving cars would also help, though I'd not want one personally. Its too easy to get behind the wheel in the US, with no real training.
 
2013-08-17 03:47:18 PM
I'm addicted to my cell phone, & I have to agree that a law of this kind is a good idea.
 
2013-08-17 04:26:30 PM
I say cell phone while driving should have penalties AT LEAST as harsh as DUI
 
2013-08-17 04:31:27 PM

StarshipAngel: As a professional driver, I find this ridiculous. If they want to increase driver safety, make it harder to get a license. In all honesty, most people out there shouldn't be driving. Make it necessary to demonstrate that you can drive in multiple conditons and can handle owning / maintaining a car. Self driving cars would also help, though I'd not want one personally. Its too easy to get behind the wheel in the US, with no real training.


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2013-08-17 04:55:51 PM

StarshipAngel: As a professional driver, I find this ridiculous. If they want to increase driver safety, make it harder to get a license. In all honesty, most people out there shouldn't be driving. Make it necessary to demonstrate that you can drive in multiple conditons and can handle owning / maintaining a car. Self driving cars would also help, though I'd not want one personally. Its too easy to get behind the wheel in the US, with no real training.


but they can't dot hat for umpteen thousand reasons (even though they should).

This ~is~ something that should happen either way. Is it that much of an inconvenience to wear a handsfree, or to push the "speaker" button? Hell, most decent vehicles include a bluetooth link at this point.

I ride a motorcycle to and from work every day. I get a great view of my surroundings, and have to be extra attentive too them. It's gotten to the point where I can spot a cell phone user 5 cars away, AND tell you if they are texting or calling, without even seeing the phone. There are not-so-subtle differences in the way people drive, and it is 100% a distraction. I don't care if you are a professional driver, or can handle "multitasking"...your driving sucks while using a phone.
 
2013-08-17 05:02:12 PM
A similar law already exists in Colorado and was passed a couple of years ago.  But.  Does it stop people?  Noooo.  I cannot even count the number of times that I have been on the highway, in rush hour traffic and glance over to see some tool either yapping on their phone or texting.  You can usually tell who these people are by the way they drive (too slow, swerving a little, not using their turn signals, etc) and every time, I think to myself, where is a cop when I really need one?  Scariest texter I ever saw was a guy driving a semi for King Soopers and was texting on the highway and couldn't seem to stay in his lane.  I honestly hope he hasn't killed anyone by now.  To me a missed phone call or text is just not important enough for me to risk life, limb and the possibility of my car getting totaled and/or hurting other people.  Whatever the hot emergency is that someone calls my phone for repeatedly can wait until I either get home, or get off the highway and pull on to a side street to park.  I have pulled over several times to take calls that were real emergencies, but never and this is no joke, never will I talk on my phone while driving, even if it's thru my own quiet, residential neighborhood.  Anyway, most of the time my phone is on silent.  I generally only turn the sound on when I'm at home, so that eliminates the temptation to pick up the call/respond to a stupid text that could've waited.

/sorry for the rant
 
2013-08-17 05:09:17 PM
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I ride a motorcycle to and from work every day. I get a great view of my surroundings, and have to be extra attentive too them. It's gotten to the point where I can spot a cell phone user 5 cars away, AND tell you if they are texting or calling, without even seeing the phone. There are not-so-subtle differences in the way people drive, and it is 100% a distraction. I don't care if you are a professional driver, or can handle "multitasking"...your driving sucks while using a phone.

Having just gotten back from a ride earlier today with the old man, I concur.  I can spot texters/yappers while in my car, but on the back of the bike it's 1000 times scarier and much easier to spot as well.  Even as a passenger on a bike, I have to be fully aware of my surroundings at all times, otherwise the results could be disastrous.  It's almost like most people ignore motorcycles entirely or worse yet, try to run us off the road when we're obeying traffic laws.  Ride safely!
 
2013-08-17 06:40:06 PM
Also known as : Politician trying desperately to get reelected/justify his job.
 
2013-08-17 08:09:49 PM
Good.
Y'all can barely drive anyway.
Anything to make drivers pay attention is good by me.

No nav / internet screens. No super stereo systems, no super sound proofing.
auto makers  have made the modern car a womb of distraction.
 
2013-08-17 08:44:29 PM
More stupid nanny state laws.

I've been talking and driving for as long as I've been driving, AND I'M NOT GOING TO STOP.  It has NEVER caused a problem, and I've been driving for over 20 years.

I'll just hide the phone when I see a cop in IL now.
 
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