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2013-08-17 11:38:21 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-17 12:02:01 PM  
Sure, it's just more likely to be fatal when you're dealing with an asshole with a car.
 
2013-08-17 12:11:58 PM  
WTF is an "unmarked crosswalk"? If there's no markings, it can't be a crosswalk.

I assume they mean an intersection with no pretty paint lines for pedestrians. Peds have the right of way (but should always, ALWAYS respect the physics of the situation).
 
2013-08-17 12:13:28 PM  
Just more so when they're on bikes
 
2013-08-17 12:15:10 PM  

Jument: WTF is an "unmarked crosswalk"? If there's no markings, it can't be a crosswalk.

I assume they mean an intersection with no pretty paint lines for pedestrians. Peds have the right of way (but should always, ALWAYS respect the physics of the situation).


Most states define crosswalks as whenever the sidewalk leads to the street. The pretty lines are really just to make it obvious for drivers that "hey people are going to be walking here"
 
2013-08-17 12:16:23 PM  
ugh, this is an everyday nightmare here in Austin.

It's like a on-going "war" between the bike riders and cars. Both are wrong, but they are too busy pointing fingers at each other to settle it.
 
2013-08-17 12:16:40 PM  
But I always thought that if you drove a BMW, you always had the right of way?
 
2013-08-17 12:16:40 PM  
The whole city of Milwaulkee is about the size of a football field.  How can they have so many problems?
 
2013-08-17 12:16:50 PM  
I've been thinking about putting my GoPro on my bike and filming my commute. After about a week or two I could probably splice together some Youtube videos of "What not to do as a pedestrian" What not to do as a driver" and "What not to do as a cyclist" Of course, there will be yakkity sax.

Car, bike, feet... we're all assholes.
 
2013-08-17 12:16:52 PM  
That's nothin'! I once saw a guy be an asshole while sitting on a couch!
 
2013-08-17 12:18:16 PM  

cheezitmojo: That's nothin'! I once saw a guy be an asshole while sitting on a couch!


You know my Pop too huh?
 
2013-08-17 12:20:21 PM  
but the biggest asshole are on rollerblades
 
2013-08-17 12:21:26 PM  

ultraholland: but the biggest asshole are on rollerblades


Segways.
 
2013-08-17 12:22:05 PM  
hmm, there's a crosswalk 30 feet away at that intersection but I'd rather cross... RIGHT HERE!  HAHA!  Don't hit me or I get to sue you! AHAHAHA!
 
2013-08-17 12:25:14 PM  
And it's a great way to stay in shape.
 
2013-08-17 12:26:40 PM  
Gainesville is full of aloof bicycle riders that make left turns across traffic, don't stop at stop signs or red lights, weave in and out of traffic, etc. And if you think that's bad, you should see what the people in motor vehicles do. Motorcycleists are by far the most well behaved, courtesy riders.
 
2013-08-17 12:30:29 PM  

thecpt: Just more so when they're on bikes


Cyclists are just assholes who move a faster than a pedestrian yet lack the protection of a steel cage.  None of it matters when you get shot for being an asshole.
 
2013-08-17 12:30:40 PM  

noitsnot: The whole city of Milwaulkee is about the size of a football field.  How can they have so many problems?


Because every jackoff takes advantage of pedestrian right of way and crosses on red or i the middle of streets like Water and Wisconsin downtown.  Mostly it's drunks and Marquette people that seem to do this.  It's almost as bad as bicyclist around the Capitol square in Madison.

/Lock and load on the lot of them...
 
2013-08-17 12:33:09 PM  
...but mainly riding bikes.
 
2013-08-17 12:35:29 PM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: Mostly it's drunks and Marquette people that seem to do this.



...but you repeat yourself
 
2013-08-17 12:35:30 PM  

crotchgrabber: ultraholland: but the biggest asshole are on rollerblades

Segways.


Segway riders, rollerbladers, pedestrians, cyclists and motorists.  Know what they all have in common?  People.  People are assholes.

...but mainly Fade2black:
 
2013-08-17 12:39:51 PM  
This just in: People are assholes whether they're driving, walking or riding bikes
 
2013-08-17 12:42:40 PM  
[...] while in an unmarked crosswalk.

Around here we just call that space 'road'. And crossing in the 'road' where there is no crosswalk is considered jaywalking (unless in an area with specific signage that gives pedestrians right of way regardless of road markings (or lack thereof)).

/any one remember Cross At The Green Not Inbetween
//or am I just that farking old?
///don't answer that
 
2013-08-17 12:43:08 PM  

phaseolus: Ken VeryBigLiar: Mostly it's drunks and Marquette people that seem to do this.


...but you repeat yourself


Touche, although the UW-M punks and the MSOE dipshiates are also a pain in the arse.
 
2013-08-17 12:43:46 PM  

cig-mkr: But I always thought that if you drove a BMW Suburbans/Yukon XL's/Escalades, you always had the right of way?



/Fixed
//never met a Suburban driver I liked
 
2013-08-17 12:46:10 PM  
DubyaHater:
//never met a Suburban driver I liked

Suburbans are street-legal Hoverounds.
 
2013-08-17 12:47:59 PM  
i1280.photobucket.com
Got here late, everyone is driving like assholes today.
 
2013-08-17 12:48:36 PM  

mafiageek1980: ugh, this is an everyday nightmare here in Austin.

It's like a on-going "war" between the bike riders and cars. Both are wrong, but they are too busy pointing fingers at each other to settle it.


In my experience, pretty much every city in America is like that. As the headline says, people are assholes. Doesn't matter what mode of transport, still assholes.
 
2013-08-17 12:53:24 PM  

DigitalCoffee: [...] while in an unmarked crosswalk.

Around here we just call that space 'road'. And crossing in the 'road' where there is no crosswalk is considered jaywalking (unless in an area with specific signage that gives pedestrians right of way regardless of road markings (or lack thereof)).


Maybe not.  Your profile says Florida, so what's an unmarked crosswalk for you?
http://www.jimdodsonlaw.com/faqs/what-constitutes-an-unmarked-crossw al k-in-florida-.cfm

And what's jaywalking?
http://www.lawteam.com/faq/car-accident/is-jaywalking-illegal-in-flo ri da/

It's a bit more nuanced than "marked or the pedestrian is screwed".
 
2013-08-17 12:59:19 PM  
When I'm drivong I hate pedestrians. When I'm walking I hate motorists, but no matter what I hate cyclists.

-I don't remember who

Ever notice scooter riders and motorcyclists don't pull the stupid shiat bike riders do?
 
2013-08-17 01:01:35 PM  
This is why I always drive at 100mph no matter what.

/Why yes I have a cowcatcher
 
2013-08-17 01:05:13 PM  
A couple of weeks ago one of the local cyclists learned his lesson the hard way.

I was legally crossing the street with the signal in the middle of a crowd of about 20 people when a cyclist decided to blow the red light.  I guess he was used to people in crosswalks getting out of his way.  Most everyone did.  Except for me.

I should mention that I'm enormous.  In situations like this physics usually works in my favor.

He ricocheted off of me like one of those ragdoll apps and skidded across two lanes of traffic on his Urban Outfitters fake messenger bag.  If he had a laptop in there, he doesn't anymore.  I wasn't hurt at all.  I think he was mostly OK, except for butthurt and road rash.  I could hear him screaming four-letter words at me as I continued walking across the street.

I can only hope he at least starts slowing down at traffic lights now.
 
2013-08-17 01:10:36 PM  
I love it.

TFA: Milwaukee having trouble getting automobile drivers to yield to pedestrians.

Fark thread: Bbbbb but... BICYCLES!

Car drivers have the most responsibility of anyone using the roadway for being careful and paying attention, and are the worst offenders by far when it comes to willfully distracting themselves.

Put down the iPhone, pay attention, and quit whining about everyone else.
 
2013-08-17 01:13:06 PM  

reaperducer: A couple of weeks ago one of the local cyclists learned his lesson the hard way.

I was legally crossing the street with the signal in the middle of a crowd of about 20 people when a cyclist decided to blow the red light.  I guess he was used to people in crosswalks getting out of his way.  Most everyone did.  Except for me.

I should mention that I'm enormous.  In situations like this physics usually works in my favor.

He ricocheted off of me like one of those ragdoll apps and skidded across two lanes of traffic on his Urban Outfitters fake messenger bag.  If he had a laptop in there, he doesn't anymore.  I wasn't hurt at all.  I think he was mostly OK, except for butthurt and road rash.  I could hear him screaming four-letter words at me as I continued walking across the street.

I can only hope he at least starts slowing down at traffic lights now.


That didn't happen.
 
2013-08-17 01:18:49 PM  

reaperducer: A couple of weeks ago one of the local cyclists learned his lesson the hard way.

I was legally crossing the street with the signal in the middle of a crowd of about 20 people when a cyclist decided to blow the red light.  I guess he was used to people in crosswalks getting out of his way.  Most everyone did.  Except for me.

I should mention that I'm enormous.  In situations like this physics usually works in my favor.

He ricocheted off of me like one of those ragdoll apps and skidded across two lanes of traffic on his Urban Outfitters fake messenger bag.  If he had a laptop in there, he doesn't anymore.  I wasn't hurt at all.  I think he was mostly OK, except for butthurt and road rash.  I could hear him screaming four-letter words at me as I continued walking across the street.

I can only hope he at least starts slowing down at traffic lights now.


Unless you are 400-500 lbs or the cyclists was moving under 10 mph that never happened. A cyclist (blowing a red) at full speed will hit you harder than an NFL linebacker since they're moving 20-25 mph
 
2013-08-17 01:20:01 PM  
This just in: People are assholes whether they're driving, walking or riding bikes

/FTFY
 
2013-08-17 01:20:01 PM  

Fade2black: ...but mainly riding bikes.


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2013-08-17 01:25:09 PM  

Carth: reaperducer: A couple of weeks ago one of the local cyclists learned his lesson the hard way.

I was legally crossing the street with the signal in the middle of a crowd of about 20 people when a cyclist decided to blow the red light.  I guess he was used to people in crosswalks getting out of his way.  Most everyone did.  Except for me.

I should mention that I'm enormous.  In situations like this physics usually works in my favor.

He ricocheted off of me like one of those ragdoll apps and skidded across two lanes of traffic on his Urban Outfitters fake messenger bag.  If he had a laptop in there, he doesn't anymore.  I wasn't hurt at all.  I think he was mostly OK, except for butthurt and road rash.  I could hear him screaming four-letter words at me as I continued walking across the street.

I can only hope he at least starts slowing down at traffic lights now.

Unless you are 400-500 lbs or the cyclists was moving under 10 mph that never happened. A cyclist (blowing a red) at full speed will hit you harder than an NFL linebacker since they're moving 20-25 mph


I might have to disagree with that ... a couple of weeks ago I hit a fat lady (maybe 300 lbs) in the crosswalk where I had blown off a red light (accidentally) and I got creamed, but it was like hitting a giant marshmallow.  I went flying, and she didn't even fall over. She swatted me off like a fly, and I was doing at least 12-13mph.
 
2013-08-17 01:27:36 PM  
blacksho89:

That didn't happen.

A few dozen witnesses, a pissed off cyclist, and the city's security cameras would beg to differ with you.
 
2013-08-17 01:29:23 PM  
Carth:
Unless you are 400-500 lbs or the cyclists was moving under 10 mph that never happened. A cyclist (blowing a red) at full speed will hit you harder than an NFL linebacker since they're moving 20-25 mph

My real world experience tells me that your made-up numbers don't work.
 
2013-08-17 01:32:42 PM  
TFA: driving through crosswalks with pedestrians in them seems to be a cultural norm here. In other cities he's lived and driven in, such as cities in Europe and on the East Coast, there's more awareness of road etiquette and foot traffic. In Germany, for example, some drivers will slow down when approaching a crosswalk even if no one's in it - out of habit, he said.

Out of habit and because it's the law and taught that way during driving lessons.
One thing my driving examiner criticized after the exam was that I had only been slowing down when approaching crosswalks instead of always(!) being fully "break-ready" with the foot on the brake instead of the gas.
 
2013-08-17 01:33:09 PM  

reaperducer: Carth:
Unless you are 400-500 lbs or the cyclists was moving under 10 mph that never happened. A cyclist (blowing a red) at full speed will hit you harder than an NFL linebacker since they're moving 20-25 mph

My real world experience tells me that your made-up numbers don't work.


Sounds like a job for Mythbusters.
 
2013-08-17 01:34:04 PM  
www.rottenecards.com
 
2013-08-17 01:37:29 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus:


I already farking hated those humorless cards, but stealing lines from scrubs confirms they are the worst.
 
2013-08-17 01:38:30 PM  
Unmovable object, iresistable force. yadda yadda
 
2013-08-17 01:42:46 PM  

reaperducer: blacksho89:

That didn't happen.

A few dozen witnesses, a pissed off cyclist, and the city's security cameras would beg to differ with you.


What's his bail set at?
 
2013-08-17 01:49:38 PM  

Carth: reaperducer: A couple of weeks ago one of the local cyclists learned his lesson the hard way.

I was legally crossing the street with the signal in the middle of a crowd of about 20 people when a cyclist decided to blow the red light.  I guess he was used to people in crosswalks getting out of his way.  Most everyone did.  Except for me.

I should mention that I'm enormous.  In situations like this physics usually works in my favor.

He ricocheted off of me like one of those ragdoll apps and skidded across two lanes of traffic on his Urban Outfitters fake messenger bag.  If he had a laptop in there, he doesn't anymore.  I wasn't hurt at all.  I think he was mostly OK, except for butthurt and road rash.  I could hear him screaming four-letter words at me as I continued walking across the street.

I can only hope he at least starts slowing down at traffic lights now.

Unless you are 400-500 lbs or the cyclists was moving under 10 mph that never happened. A cyclist (blowing a red) at full speed will hit you harder than an NFL linebacker since they're moving 20-25 mph


I caved in the door of a minivan once after someone turned in front of me.

That was hilarious.  She sped off worried that *I* would sue *her*...
 
2013-08-17 02:09:55 PM  

Jument: reaperducer: Carth:
Unless you are 400-500 lbs or the cyclists was moving under 10 mph that never happened. A cyclist (blowing a red) at full speed will hit you harder than an NFL linebacker since they're moving 20-25 mph

My real world experience tells me that your made-up numbers don't work.

Sounds like a job for Mythbusters.


The physics of Carth's claim are pretty simple, but his assumptions are wrong. On flat ground in a city carrying a bag, reasonable top speed on a bicycle is about 16mph, not 25. (25mph is second tier elite cyclist flat sprint territory.)

A 240lb linebacker running at top speed (say, 14mph) will hit with about the same KE as a 180lb cyclist at 16mph.

This is, of course assuming that a cyclist rode full speed at a crowd of people against a red-lit intersection hoping that everyone would scatter and he wouldn't get killed by cross-traffic from cars, which is the part I find unlikely.

What PROBABLY happened is that a cyclist slowed down to about 6-7 mph, and tried to pick his way through a crosswalk with people in it. Reaperducer didn't like that, so instead of moving predictably with the rest of the peds, he intentionally knocked the guy off his bike like an asshat because he's the type who would rather inconvenience himself and risk injury to "teach someone a lesson", than let someone get away with breaking a rule, even harmlessly.
 
2013-08-17 02:23:49 PM  

Z-clipped: This is, of course assuming that a cyclist rode full speed at a crowd of people against a red-lit intersection hoping that everyone would scatter and he wouldn't get killed by cross-traffic from cars, which is the part I find unlikely.


It doesn't seem unlikely to me.
 
2013-08-17 02:30:24 PM  

Krieghund: Z-clipped: This is, of course assuming that a cyclist rode full speed at a crowd of people against a red-lit intersection hoping that everyone would scatter and he wouldn't get killed by cross-traffic from cars, which is the part I find unlikely.

It doesn't seem unlikely to me.


I'm not sure what you're trying to say with that link.
 
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