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2013-08-17 08:20:02 AM
At this point, the Muslim Brotherhood supporters are starting to feel like one big Monty Python Black Knight sketch. These are not... bright people.

/I'll bite your leg off!
 
2013-08-17 08:27:47 AM
let em kill each other. that'll teach em!
 
2013-08-17 08:29:26 AM
Republicans: Why isn't Obama doing more to prevent the massacre of a bunch of people we'd rather see dead anyway?
 
2013-08-17 08:30:00 AM
I sadly don't understand the politics there. Why is the brotherhood fighting the government? Why are the citizens of the cities attacking the brotherhood? Wtf is the problem.

/Anyone? Please explain.
 
2013-08-17 08:31:45 AM
FTFA:  At churches across the country, residents formed human chains to try to protect them from further assaults, and a civilian was killed while trying to protect a church in Sohag, south of Cairo, authorities said.


Good luck with that...

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2013-08-17 08:35:42 AM
Does it really matter what side does what?

They have been fighting in that part of the world for centuries over "something". The fact that they call for "revenge" when someone sneezes just shows how terrible it is over there. Doesn't matter if its political or religious, they just love the idea of killing and or dying as a martyr.

calling it the day of rage is a great name -- it perfectly describes their endless anger and violence. Even when all this "who's in charge" business gets sorted out, there will be another fight about religious something or other, it really is never ending.

Every country has it's ugly periods and growing pains - I hope they can square their shiat away and move onto some semblance of a normal country all WITHOUT our money/energy/people going over there to "help".   In case nobody has been paying attention for the past 40 years -- when you help any country in that part of the world, it WILL come back to bite you in the ass.

If they want to kill each other, let them, eventually one side or the other will realize how farked up things are and move towards being civilized. Just keep my tax dollars here in our country, we have enough problems as it is.
 
2013-08-17 08:39:47 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: I sadly don't understand the politics there. Why is the brotherhood fighting the government? Why are the citizens of the cities attacking the brotherhood? Wtf is the problem.

/Anyone? Please explain.


In a nutshell, the MB was in power and were being dicks about it. Everyone was pissed, and the military overthrew them. Now, they started staging protests and the new government said 'go be ass holes somewhere else'. A bunch of civilians are jumping in and helping the gvt.
 
2013-08-17 08:42:02 AM
oh i Just saw the fun blurb that civilians were creating impromptu checkpoints and at some points not allowing amublances and cars carrying wounded people through to go to the hospital.

This gives you a little glimpse into the mindset of some of these people. On that same note you have some speaker for the Muslim brotherhood saying they condem any attacks (even verbal) on any churches, etc etc... that's all fine and dandy but as soon as the microphone and cameras turn off you grab a molotov and start burning stuff, it just shows you how messed up these people are in the head.
 
2013-08-17 08:42:32 AM

paulseta: At this point, the Muslim Brotherhood supporters are starting to feel like one big Monty Python Black Knight sketch. These are not... bright people.


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It's a common trait of religious fundamentalists.
Egypt is sliding very fast into 'failed state' territory and the symptoms were there way before the 'Arab Spring'.
 
2013-08-17 08:42:37 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: I sadly don't understand the politics there. Why is the brotherhood fighting the government? Why are the citizens of the cities attacking the brotherhood? Wtf is the problem.

/Anyone? Please explain.


Short answer: Democracy ain't easy.
 
2013-08-17 08:43:48 AM
Good, kill the other half.

It was a fair election, but the Islamists quickly showed their true colors and the majority of Egyptians were discovered they were headed back down the path to dictatorship.  They didn't like it.
 
2013-08-17 08:44:40 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: I sadly don't understand the politics there. Why is the brotherhood fighting the government? Why are the citizens of the cities attacking the brotherhood? Wtf is the problem.

/Anyone? Please explain.


The Brotherhood started peacefully protesting the military's interim government which - until 3 days ago - had acted peacefully. The Brotherhood said that they were bloodthirsty murderers who just wanted to suppress Islam.

So, what did the military do? They started killing the protesters. Their motivation was to maintain good order and discipline amongst the people, but the Islamists don't see it that way. Through the goggles oftheir persecution complex, it's the bloodthirsty murderers trying to suppress Islam.

In short, the Brotherhood are a bunch of instigators who love to feel persecuted, and the military are a bunch of easily provoked idiots.
 
2013-08-17 08:45:02 AM

Archie Goodwin: Democracy ain't easy.



Democracy and islam don't go together.
 
2013-08-17 08:46:16 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: I sadly don't understand the politics there. Why is the brotherhood fighting the government? Why are the citizens of the cities attacking the brotherhood? Wtf is the problem.

/Anyone? Please explain.


pretend it is the u.s.:

the democrats freely and fairly elect B.H.Obammer. the military decides B.H.Obammer isn't fit to rule and take him away. the democrats then feel bad and get all ragey and stabby.. the military responds in kind. and voila, dead people errywhere. (end scene)
 
2013-08-17 08:46:46 AM

Neighborhood Watch: Democracy and islam don't go together.


It's not politically correct to admit that Democracy isn't compatible with every culture, Egypt is a good example.
In a generation or 4 ? sure. Right now ? doesn't work with arab/islamic culture, education and mentality.
 
2013-08-17 08:47:09 AM

TappingTheVein: paulseta: At this point, the Muslim Brotherhood supporters are starting to feel like one big Monty Python Black Knight sketch. These are not... bright people.



It's a common trait of religious fundamentalists.
Egypt is sliding very fast into 'failed state' territory and the symptoms were there way before the 'Arab Spring'.


This. The "Big 3" Abrahamic faiths thrive on feeling persecuted, so when they pick fights in the name of their god and get their asses kicked, they just say "WE'RE BEING PERSECUTED."

A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. Would you like a game of chess?
 
2013-08-17 08:47:55 AM

Neighborhood Watch: Archie Goodwin: Democracy ain't easy.


Democracy and islam don't go together.


Wrong. Democracy and fundamentalist monotheists don't go together. Moderates of any religion get along with democracy just fine.
 
2013-08-17 08:47:55 AM

Rhino_man: Bit'O'Gristle: I sadly don't understand the politics there. Why is the brotherhood fighting the government? Why are the citizens of the cities attacking the brotherhood? Wtf is the problem.

/Anyone? Please explain.

The Brotherhood started peacefully protesting the military's interim government which - until 3 days ago - had acted peacefully. The Brotherhood said that they were bloodthirsty murderers who just wanted to suppress Islam.

So, what did the military do? They started killing the protesters. Their motivation was to maintain good order and discipline amongst the people, but the Islamists don't see it that way. Through the goggles oftheir persecution complex, it's the bloodthirsty murderers trying to suppress Islam.

In short, the Brotherhood are a bunch of instigators who love to feel persecuted, and the military are a bunch of easily provoked idiots.


To be fair, they Brotherhood was burning churches and being kind of terroristy.
 
2013-08-17 08:48:39 AM

accelerus: Does it really matter what side does what?

They have been fighting in that part of the world for centuries over "something". The fact that they call for "revenge" when someone sneezes just shows how terrible it is over there. Doesn't matter if its political or religious, they just love the idea of killing and or dying as a martyr.

calling it the day of rage is a great name -- it perfectly describes their endless anger and violence. Even when all this "who's in charge" business gets sorted out, there will be another fight about religious something or other, it really is never ending.

Every country has it's ugly periods and growing pains - I hope they can square their shiat away and move onto some semblance of a normal country all WITHOUT our money/energy/people going over there to "help".   In case nobody has been paying attention for the past 40 years -- when you help any country in that part of the world, it WILL come back to bite you in the ass.

If they want to kill each other, let them, eventually one side or the other will realize how farked up things are and move towards being civilized. Just keep my tax dollars here in our country, we have enough problems as it is.


This.
 
2013-08-17 08:49:59 AM

EvilEgg: Rhino_man: Bit'O'Gristle: I sadly don't understand the politics there. Why is the brotherhood fighting the government? Why are the citizens of the cities attacking the brotherhood? Wtf is the problem.

/Anyone? Please explain.

The Brotherhood started peacefully protesting the military's interim government which - until 3 days ago - had acted peacefully. The Brotherhood said that they were bloodthirsty murderers who just wanted to suppress Islam.

So, what did the military do? They started killing the protesters. Their motivation was to maintain good order and discipline amongst the people, but the Islamists don't see it that way. Through the goggles oftheir persecution complex, it's the bloodthirsty murderers trying to suppress Islam.

In short, the Brotherhood are a bunch of instigators who love to feel persecuted, and the military are a bunch of easily provoked idiots.

To be fair, they Brotherhood was burning churches and being kind of terroristy.


Huh... yeah, that kinda changes the math a little bit around the edges.
 
2013-08-17 08:50:21 AM
One the one hand, people that want Egypt to continue down the road to being an Islamic theocracy.

On the other hand, the military who might give the reins of power to a legitimate, non-theocratic government. Maybe.
 
2013-08-17 08:52:13 AM

Archie Goodwin: Bit'O'Gristle: I sadly don't understand the politics there. Why is the brotherhood fighting the government? Why are the citizens of the cities attacking the brotherhood? Wtf is the problem.

/Anyone? Please explain.

Short answer: Democracy ain't easy.


Some people are given democracy but don't quite know exactly what it is.
Look at post-Soeharto Indonesia.
The oppressed students thought democracy meant you could do whatever the fark you wanted in the name of democracy, without repercussions.
It has taken years for that place to gain some semblance of civilised society.
 
2013-08-17 08:53:12 AM
All for military juntas not being dicks, but color me unsympathetic.

Probably be content to sit back and watch if the Nat'l Guard had to go ham on a bunch of KKK/Tea Tardy/MS-13/Anarchist types, too.
 
2013-08-17 08:58:27 AM

EvilEgg: It was a fair election, but the Islamists quickly showed their true colors and the majority of Egyptians were discovered they were headed back down the path to dictatorship.  They didn't like it.



Yes, it was a fair election.  The people of Egypt voted for an Islamic government... and then they got one.  What did they expect?  The people of Gaza elected Hamas in a fair election, after which Hamas outlawed elections (whoops, there goes your democracy!).  There hasn't been an election there since.

The odd thing about Egypt is that the majority obviously wants an Islamic state (one proof is that 80-90% of Egyptian women receive the clitorectomy).  They also elected the Muslim Brotherhood by a majority. The majority also hates Jews and Christians in Egypt.  These are facts.

When they have another election, whenever that is, they will elect another muslim government - guaranteed.
 
2013-08-17 08:58:40 AM
fark all those finger banging rapists.
 
2013-08-17 08:59:48 AM

Rhino_man: Bit'O'Gristle: I sadly don't understand the politics there. Why is the brotherhood fighting the government? Why are the citizens of the cities attacking the brotherhood? Wtf is the problem.

/Anyone? Please explain.

The Brotherhood started peacefully protesting the military's interim government which - until 3 days ago - had acted peacefully. The Brotherhood said that they were bloodthirsty murderers who just wanted to suppress Islam.

So, what did the military do? They started killing the protesters. Their motivation was to maintain good order and discipline amongst the people, but the Islamists don't see it that way.


Umm, the motivation of the military was to get back to their good old military dictatorship as quickly as possible. As it is in Pakistan, the Egyptian military is a state within a state and their business was being hampered by all these changes overtaking the country since Mubarak was deposed. So they took the first opportunity ; instead of applying some back-channel pressure (the Egyptian military is supported by rich Gulf Arabs as you will read in the article) on Morsi, they decided to 'take things back'. I guess 'good order and discipline' does cover it in a sense though.

I know that in the West, Islamism has replaced Communism as bogeyman number one, so of course, the military is being portrayed as the benign 'elder brother' in your media. In reality, the military only cares about public opinion to the point where it doesn't harm their control over the state. This battle is being fought between the military and the MB for control of Egypt; ordinary people (who consider themselves secular and progressive) are pawns.
 
2013-08-17 08:59:54 AM
this is what actual theocracy looks like

remember this the next time some smarmy e-atheist uses that word to describe a city council in a baptist community taking steps to make opening a titty-bar too close to a school too much trouble to bother

/ theocracy as a jibe, it's a really great loon indicator
 
2013-08-17 09:00:08 AM
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Waiting for the animated GIF.
 
2013-08-17 09:00:31 AM

Rhino_man: Democracy and fundamentalist monotheists don't go together. Moderates of any religion get along with democracy just fine.



Where is islam and democracy working out?
 
2013-08-17 09:01:36 AM

The Madd Mann: Republicans: Why isn't Obama doing more to prevent the massacre of a bunch of people we'd rather see dead anyway?


Because he's too busy giving press releases deploring the violence against his Muslim Brotherhood friends?
 
2013-08-17 09:02:40 AM

willfullyobscure: All for military juntas not being dicks, but color me unsympathetic.

Probably be content to sit back and watch if the Nat'l Guard had to go ham on a bunch of KKK/Tea Tardy/MS-13/Anarchist types, too.


That's the problem... religious fundies love to be persecuted.

This is pretty much how the problems in the middle east have escalated for the last century or so.

Secular government deals with the fundies in a heavy-handed manner. The fundies use it to recruit. The secular government sees their growth as an even bigger threat and gets more trigger happy. The fundies use it to recruit. The fundies eventually get powerful enough to overthrow the secular government, and they start killing off everyone who isn't them. Then, either a new group of fundies starts the process all over again, or the West steps in and installs a new secular government.

Either way, the only way to break this cycle is to have a secular government that DOESN'T get all murder-y, and is capable of improving the quality of life for the majority of people. If you don't have all 3 qualities (secularism, non-violence and competence) then you'll just start the cycle all over again.
 
2013-08-17 09:04:58 AM

Neighborhood Watch: Rhino_man: Democracy and fundamentalist monotheists don't go together. Moderates of any religion get along with democracy just fine.


Where is islam and democracy working out?


Michigan and Virginia.
 
2013-08-17 09:05:38 AM
When are we going to quit screwing around and liberate those biatches already. Get some liberty all up in that biatch. Then we clear it of terrorists and turn it over to Disney. They could do like a space mountain ride inside a pyramid. It's win/win.
 
2013-08-17 09:06:39 AM

justaguy516: Rhino_man: Bit'O'Gristle: I sadly don't understand the politics there. Why is the brotherhood fighting the government? Why are the citizens of the cities attacking the brotherhood? Wtf is the problem.

/Anyone? Please explain.

The Brotherhood started peacefully protesting the military's interim government which - until 3 days ago - had acted peacefully. The Brotherhood said that they were bloodthirsty murderers who just wanted to suppress Islam.

So, what did the military do? They started killing the protesters. Their motivation was to maintain good order and discipline amongst the people, but the Islamists don't see it that way.

Umm, the motivation of the military was to get back to their good old military dictatorship as quickly as possible. As it is in Pakistan, the Egyptian military is a state within a state and their business was being hampered by all these changes overtaking the country since Mubarak was deposed. So they took the first opportunity ; instead of applying some back-channel pressure (the Egyptian military is supported by rich Gulf Arabs as you will read in the article) on Morsi, they decided to 'take things back'. I guess 'good order and discipline' does cover it in a sense though.

I know that in the West, Islamism has replaced Communism as bogeyman number one, so of course, the military is being portrayed as the benign 'elder brother' in your media. In reality, the military only cares about public opinion to the point where it doesn't harm their control over the state. This battle is being fought between the military and the MB for control of Egypt; ordinary people (who consider themselves secular and progressive) are pawns.


So... are you agreeing with me? I don't understand the point of this post... it sounds like you're agreeing with me that the military are reacting too violently to a wrongfully perceived threat to the stability of their interim government.
 
2013-08-17 09:07:23 AM

WhoopAssWayne: When are we going to quit screwing around and liberate those biatches already. Get some liberty all up in that biatch. Then we clear it of terrorists and turn it over to Disney. They could do like a space mountain ride inside a pyramid. It's win/win.


Yep, worked just fine in Iraq.
 
2013-08-17 09:08:09 AM

Neighborhood Watch: Rhino_man: Democracy and fundamentalist monotheists don't go together. Moderates of any religion get along with democracy just fine.


Where is islam and democracy working out?


Turkey.
 
2013-08-17 09:14:02 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: I sadly don't understand the politics there. Why is the brotherhood fighting the government? Why are the citizens of the cities attacking the brotherhood? Wtf is the problem.

/Anyone? Please explain.


You are clueless to the world because all you read is Fark.
There you go.
 
2013-08-17 09:14:32 AM

Neighborhood Watch: Rhino_man: Democracy and fundamentalist monotheists don't go together. Moderates of any religion get along with democracy just fine.


Where is islam and democracy working out?


Depends what you consider to be democracy.
You could say Malaysia, but their elections are corrupt. To what extent we never find out, as the information never gets released in its entirety.
 
2013-08-17 09:16:25 AM
Rhino_man: Democracy and fundamentalist monotheists don't go together. Moderates of any religion get along with democracy just fine.

Neighborhood Watch:  Where is islam and democracy working out?

oldsbone: Turkey.


Really?
 
2013-08-17 09:17:52 AM
So... are you agreeing with me? I don't understand the point of this post... it sounds like you're agreeing with me that the military are reacting too violently to a wrongfully perceived threat to the stability of their interim government.

The interim government doesn't matter to the military - nor does democracy, nor does secularism or theocracy or whatever. What matters is the military's control over the economic and police arms of the state, which has been in force for the last 30 years or so. The ouster of Mubarak was a temporary setback to them and they have been biding their time since. Once the MB started getting a little too uppity, the military used some pretext (any pretext would have done) to take their power back. So, no I am not agreeing with you that their motivation was 'order and discipline'. Even if the MB had done nothing whatsoever to create a theocratic state, the military would have still taken them out.
 
2013-08-17 09:18:33 AM
Interesting that when the Muslim Brotherhood was in charge they didn't go in for wholesale slaughter of civilian protestors.

I'm not sure why so many people are trying to make the military out to be the good guys here.

Like it or not, democracy means the people of Egypt pick their own leader. They did so. Cue the American media making endless MUSLIMS! Oooga Booga noises.

The Egyptian military that we fund and whose officers we train deposed the democratically elected leader and proceeds to murder anyone who objects?

I am not happy about this..
 
2013-08-17 09:28:06 AM

justaguy516: So... are you agreeing with me? I don't understand the point of this post... it sounds like you're agreeing with me that the military are reacting too violently to a wrongfully perceived threat to the stability of their interim government.

The interim government doesn't matter to the military - nor does democracy, nor does secularism or theocracy or whatever. What matters is the military's control over the economic and police arms of the state, which has been in force for the last 30 years or so. The ouster of Mubarak was a temporary setback to them and they have been biding their time since. Once the MB started getting a little too uppity, the military used some pretext (any pretext would have done) to take their power back. So, no I am not agreeing with you that their motivation was 'order and discipline'. Even if the MB had done nothing whatsoever to create a theocratic state, the military would have still taken them out.


That last point, I think, is where we disagree. Mubarak never moved violently against the MB. He suppressed their political actions, sure, but he never had the military go out and kill them in the streets because he didn't really see them as a threat before. Now that they're seen as a threat, the military is killing them.
 
2013-08-17 09:29:28 AM
This is why amateurs like Clinton should never be in charge of foreign policy.  She really wadded this up badly.  Now people will die for her incompetence.
 
2013-08-17 09:38:22 AM

Rhino_man: Mubarak never moved violently against the MB.


Mubarak didn't go in for wholesale slaughter of civilians. Morsi didn't go in for wholesale slaughter of civilians. It's just the current crop of assholes pulling that BS.

Let's not forget that the military claimed that people protesting the democratically elected Egyptian president gave them a legitimate reason to depose him.

Now when people protest their action, they murder them?
 
2013-08-17 09:46:30 AM

Neighborhood Watch: (one proof is that 80-90% of Egyptian women receive the clitorectomy).


The World Health Organization says it is much closer to 50%.
 
2013-08-17 09:46:43 AM

bigsteve3OOO: This is why amateurs like Clinton should never be in charge of foreign policy.  She really wadded this up badly.  Now people will die for her incompetence.


Right, because this was a much better choice:
www.fordhallforum.org
 
2013-08-17 09:48:59 AM

BullBearMS: Rhino_man: Mubarak never moved violently against the MB.

Mubarak didn't go in for wholesale slaughter of civilians. Morsi didn't go in for wholesale slaughter of civilians. It's just the current crop of assholes pulling that BS.

Let's not forget that the military claimed that people protesting the democratically elected Egyptian president gave them a legitimate reason to depose him.

Now when people protest their action, they murder them?


I'm not defending the military here... I'm making the legitimate claim that both sides are bad, and they're feeding each other.
 
2013-08-17 09:54:22 AM
Can you imagine if they started out their road to democracy by only allowing wealthy males from the predominant ethnic group to participate in elections and with legal slavery in half their country.
 
2013-08-17 09:55:18 AM

Rhino_man: Right, because this was a much better choice:


OMFG BUSH! Someone who hasn't been on a ticket in almost ten years. Democrats do not have the integrity to live up to their mistakes, like this mess Hillary had a hand in, and are not accountable for their actions (it was BUSH!). Someone who doesn't have the guts to admit they're wrong, who always blames someone else, should not be in office. No accountability, no authority.
 
2013-08-17 10:03:16 AM
If you total farkers change your colors to green, you will bring peace to Egypt. Just like last time!

/How is Obama's Arab Spring working out for you?
//The citizens are being killed with Obama's weapons.
 
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