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(SacBee)   Seattle plutocrat Chris Hansen uses his time and money unwisely after NBA rejects attempt to buy Sacramento Kings, is discovered to have funded "grassroots" anti-arena effort in Sacramento. California deems this violation of state law   (sacbee.com) divider line 45
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2013-08-17 08:18:34 AM
Why don't you have a seat, right over there.
 
2013-08-17 09:58:15 AM
A billionaire that's a shady fark?  Who could have possibly thought that?
 
2013-08-17 10:04:54 AM

elguerodiablo: A billionaire that's a shady fark?  Who could have possibly thought that?


Oh, he's not even the worst of the lot.  Washington's got this joker named Tim Eyman whose only real job OR hobby seems to be trying to pass initiatives so he can watch the state burn.

Anyway, I want a basketball team in Seattle. . . but not like this.
 
2013-08-17 10:23:47 AM
dragonchild:so he can watch the state burn.


Now you got cheap legal weed that might not be a bad thing.

It's like these people who were born into privilege and handed everything they needed to succeed are some how disconnected from the rest of us.  It's like they lack a certain human emotion called empathy that allows people to act for a greater good and not just their own self interests.

Hooray for modern Capitalism and the Age of the Psychopath.
 
2013-08-17 10:27:29 AM

dragonchild: elguerodiablo: A billionaire that's a shady fark?  Who could have possibly thought that?

Oh, he's not even the worst of the lot.  Washington's got this joker named Tim Eyman whose only real job OR hobby seems to be trying to pass initiatives so he can watch the state burn.

Anyway, I want a basketball team in Seattle. . . but not like this.


Is this really a surprise, though? I don't know much about Hanson, though I thought he seemed pretty upfront about his desire to move the team once he bought it. But there was something about a Plan B of the Maloofs, where they'd sell part of the team to Hanson and his group and remain in Sacramento. So you'd have two ownership groups controlling the team, neither of which want to be in that particular city and constantly pushing for that new arena and constantly reapplying to the league to move. All the while, probably doing the small moves the Maloofs had been accused of to not improve the team and drive fans away. At least, that's how the local radio described the Plan B.

I think the city needs to get something going on that new arena soon. The new ownership seems pretty stable and the league isn't going to just make him move, but it'd sure look bad for the dust to settle on a big team-keeping fight, only to have nothing new built, while the group from Seattle points out to everyone that they'd have their stuff built by then.
 
2013-08-17 10:31:45 AM
Correction, I guess there is a deadline of building something by 2017. I'm guessing this won't be the last effort to slow things down.
 
2013-08-17 10:48:52 AM

elguerodiablo: the Age of the Psychopath.


That's a great phrase.  It really works well with the whole Rand/Koch thing.  I'm stealing it.
 
2013-08-17 11:07:06 AM

JasonOfOrillia: elguerodiablo: the Age of the Psychopath.

That's a great phrase.  It really works well with the whole Rand/Koch thing.  I'm stealing it.


This Chris Hansen guy grew up in Seattle, went to SDSU & USC, worked in San Fran & runs a fund in San Fran. I guess he could be a raging Conservative, but he could also be a rich ass Liberal like Tom Steyer.
 
2013-08-17 11:17:05 AM

elguerodiablo: It's like these people who were born into privilege and handed everything they needed to succeed are some how disconnected from the rest of us.



How do you know whether or not Chris Hansen was born into privilege?

/Hope Stern dies from painful ass cancer.
 
2013-08-17 11:24:37 AM
Good headline, full of insinuation since the "this" mentioned in the headline as a "violation of state law" is not even in the headline.

The broken California law was that the PAC to which Hansen donated the money did not file some of their disclosure paperwork on time.  Nothing about the identity of the donor was illegal, nor was the amount illegal, nor was the purpose illegal.
 
2013-08-17 11:27:35 AM

elguerodiablo: A billionaire that's a shady fark?  Who could have possibly thought that?


The people involved in the whole Sacramento-Seattle fiasco are all investment bankers or lawyers.

What more do you need to know?
 
2013-08-17 11:37:30 AM

JasonOfOrillia: elguerodiablo: the Age of the Psychopath.

That's a great phrase.  It really works well with the whole Rand/Koch thing.  I'm stealing it.


I actually got it from somewhere else too (probably here on fark) and nobodies come after me yet, so steal away.
 
2013-08-17 11:41:22 AM

dragonchild: elguerodiablo: A billionaire that's a shady fark?  Who could have possibly thought that?

Oh, he's not even the worst of the lot.  Washington's got this joker named Tim Eyman whose only real job OR hobby seems to be trying to pass initiatives so he can watch the state burn.

Anyway, I want a basketball team in Seattle. . . but not like this.


Really?  Uh, I'm sorry but David Stern and the NBA are farking scumbags.  I really don't have a problem with Hansen doing this because, frankly, Stern did it to him.
 
2013-08-17 11:54:17 AM
Doooooosh
 
2013-08-17 11:56:32 AM

Rwa2play: Really? Uh, I'm sorry but David Stern and the NBA are farking scumbags. I really don't have a problem with Hansen doing this because, frankly, Stern did it to him.


What did Sacramento do to him again?
 
2013-08-17 11:58:28 AM

Rwa2play: I'm sorry but David Stern and the NBA are farking scumbags. I really don't have a problem with Hansen doing this because, frankly, Stern did it to him.


Who says I'm on Stern's side?  I just don't think I could enjoy entertainment if it involved scorching someone else's earth to get it.  It's basketball FFS.

RickN99: The broken California law was that the PAC to which Hansen donated the money did not file some of their disclosure paperwork on time. Nothing about the identity of the donor was illegal, nor was the amount illegal, nor was the purpose illegal.


Good thing I don't care about that, then.  But if you have to spend money on "grassroots" efforts to dislodge a team at all, you're probably doing something unethical.
 
2013-08-17 12:00:36 PM

RickN99: Good headline, full of insinuation since the "this" mentioned in the headline as a "violation of state law" is not even in the headline.

The broken California law was that the PAC to which Hansen donated the money did not file some of their disclosure paperwork on time.  Nothing about the identity of the donor was illegal, nor was the amount illegal, nor was the purpose illegal.


Jeezus one guy in here gets it.

He's a resident of San Francisco- less than two hour's drive to Sacto. He can do whatever he wants on his own time with his own money. He didn't break the law, as you've noted, the PAC did. And how the fark is this any different than when Sacto do the exact same thing, with taxpayer money no less, in Anaheim? It isn't.

The intricacies of the footprint for the potential new arena, plus the funding and the borderline illegal kickbacks, will prevent this arena from being built. All the NBA had to do was say "You gave it your best Sacto, and we gave you years to get it done, now GTFO". The NBA and Kevin Johnson played dirty from day one, this is just Hansen showing he has the balls to play their game. No big deal.
 
2013-08-17 12:15:10 PM
Seattle basketball brings out the worst in everybody I guess.
 
2013-08-17 12:26:40 PM
Cockblocking is a big thing in the NBA.  I would be outraged but, hey, it's Sacramento...so who gives a shiat?
 
2013-08-17 12:35:52 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Cockblocking is a big thing in the NBA.  I would be outraged but, hey, it's Sacramento...so who gives a shiat?


i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-17 12:40:10 PM

elguerodiablo: A billionaire that's a shady fark?  Who could have possibly thought that?


Most are better at hiding it by going through leaders or fronts that hide suspect dealings.

Like when Gates blasted Google leaders a few weeks ago but it came out last week he's part of a patent troll group which patents tons of shiat but never produces shiat.
 
2013-08-17 12:40:54 PM

Your Average Witty Fark User: The NBA and Kevin Johnson played dirty from day one, this is just Hansen showing he has the balls to play their game.


By "their game" you mean "stupid"?

Seattle will never have an NBA team as long as Stern's alive.  They have a monopoly and always need a hungry city to blackmail other cities to fund their taxes-for-arenas scam, and Seattle makes the perfect example because they had the balls to tell the previous ownership to go fark themselves.  Now Seattle is the example.

I know it's all legal, but playing dirty politics in Sacramento won't give Hansen what he wants.  So using a PAC just comes off as scummy.
 
2013-08-17 12:41:04 PM
dragonchild

You are right, Eyman is a idiot and fellow idiots follow him like sheep. He is an egomaniac.
 
2013-08-17 12:50:28 PM
Too bad it didn't work. Sacramento is a ghost town that over-leveraged itself to build an arena that will never be completed. A scumbag, teenager-molesting mayor and a scumbag lawyer turned down sure money in order to convince a moron city council to drive themselves more quickly into bankruptcy.

It would have been better for everyone had this worked.

The NBA, at this point, is a joke league. It eschews multi-sport cities for cow towns like Sacramento, Oklahoma City, and Memphis. It wants a monopoly in one-horse cities that will do anything to keep a team because, well, you saw what's going on in Sacramento right now. They will be Stockton soon enough.
 
2013-08-17 01:12:45 PM

Your Average Witty Fark User: RickN99: Good headline, full of insinuation since the "this" mentioned in the headline as a "violation of state law" is not even in the headline.

The broken California law was that the PAC to which Hansen donated the money did not file some of their disclosure paperwork on time.  Nothing about the identity of the donor was illegal, nor was the amount illegal, nor was the purpose illegal.

Jeezus one guy in here gets it.

He's a resident of San Francisco- less than two hour's drive to Sacto. He can do whatever he wants on his own time with his own money. He didn't break the law, as you've noted, the PAC did. And how the fark is this any different than when Sacto do the exact same thing, with taxpayer money no less, in Anaheim? It isn't.

The intricacies of the footprint for the potential new arena, plus the funding and the borderline illegal kickbacks, will prevent this arena from being built. All the NBA had to do was say "You gave it your best Sacto, and we gave you years to get it done, now GTFO". The NBA and Kevin Johnson played dirty from day one, this is just Hansen showing he has the balls to play their game. No big deal.


This may be all true, but the fact that he did this one month after he was rejected from buying the team burned up any relationship with the league owners and will spoil his chance of ever being approved to own a team. Basically, he's the Jim Balsillie of the NBA.
 
2013-08-17 01:13:21 PM

dragonchild: elguerodiablo: A billionaire that's a shady fark?  Who could have possibly thought that?

Oh, he's not even the worst of the lot.  Washington's got this joker named Tim Eyman whose only real job OR hobby seems to be trying to pass initiatives so he can watch the state burn.

Anyway, I want a basketball team in Seattle. . . but not like this.


Yeah rolling back tax initiatives the state senate illegally puts back into place or pushes aside so they can spend us into the ground is watching the state burn.  Maybe if you weren't such an idiot and did some research you'd find it really is ok NOT to increase property taxes every.  farking.  Year.

It's ok though, I'm sure you rent...must be nice being able to vote yes to your neighbor having to pay more so you can complain you don't get enough state services so you can bike to work or drive in a "green" bus that cost $1 million dollars.

As for Chris Hansen...he's still not as bad as Howard Schultz is.  I'd be pissed too if Stern actively sabotaged the purchase process by extending deadlines constantly and using backdoor deals to goad the other owners into voting his way so he didn't leave a legacy of team-swapping like BASEketball.
 
2013-08-17 01:20:11 PM

elguerodiablo: A billionaire that's a shady fark?  Who could have possibly thought that?


Compared to most billionaire?  This is practically benign.  I mean, he wanted a basketball team in his city, so he attempts to sabotage another city to try and accomplish that goal.  It's better than claiming you are pro-life then sending assassins to kill people working at medical facilities.
 
2013-08-17 01:33:48 PM

Fade2black: dragonchild: elguerodiablo: A billionaire that's a shady fark?  Who could have possibly thought that?

Oh, he's not even the worst of the lot.  Washington's got this joker named Tim Eyman whose only real job OR hobby seems to be trying to pass initiatives so he can watch the state burn.

Anyway, I want a basketball team in Seattle. . . but not like this.

Yeah rolling back tax initiatives the state senate illegally puts back into place or pushes aside so they can spend us into the ground is watching the state burn.  Maybe if you weren't such an idiot and did some research you'd find it really is ok NOT to increase property taxes every.  farking.  Year.

It's ok though, I'm sure you rent...must be nice being able to vote yes to your neighbor having to pay more so you can complain you don't get enough state services so you can bike to work or drive in a "green" bus that cost $1 million dollars.

As for Chris Hansen...he's still not as bad as Howard Schultz is.  I'd be pissed too if Stern actively sabotaged the purchase process by extending deadlines constantly and using backdoor deals to goad the other owners into voting his way so he didn't leave a legacy of team-swapping like BASEketball.


Wow, so this is what a Tim Eyman supporter looks like.

/yikes
 
2013-08-17 01:37:09 PM
Fade2black

Maybe if you weren't such an idiot and did some research, you would see you are wrong. Your property tax didn't go up, the levies you voted yes on were the reason your "taxes" went up.

I live in Everett and my taxes have gone DOWN $640.40 since 2008.
 
2013-08-17 01:39:05 PM

Fade2black: dragonchild: elguerodiablo: A billionaire that's a shady fark?  Who could have possibly thought that?

Oh, he's not even the worst of the lot.  Washington's got this joker named Tim Eyman whose only real job OR hobby seems to be trying to pass initiatives so he can watch the state burn.

Anyway, I want a basketball team in Seattle. . . but not like this.

Yeah rolling back tax initiatives the state senate illegally puts back into place or pushes aside so they can spend us into the ground is watching the state burn.  Maybe if you weren't such an idiot and did some research you'd find it really is ok NOT to increase property taxes every.  farking.  Year.

It's ok though, I'm sure you rent...must be nice being able to vote yes to your neighbor having to pay more so you can complain you don't get enough state services so you can bike to work or drive in a "green" bus that cost $1 million dollars.

As for Chris Hansen...he's still not as bad as Howard Schultz is.  I'd be pissed too if Stern actively sabotaged the purchase process by extending deadlines constantly and using backdoor deals to goad the other owners into voting his way so he didn't leave a legacy of team-swapping like BASEketball.


There's no way a landlord would pass a property tax increase onto his/her tenants, just none at all.  How stupid are you?
 
2013-08-17 01:47:00 PM
Stern was going to fight Hansen tooth and nail because Hansen was going against NBA policy: the public pays for the stadium (money pit) and the team/NBA gets all the revenue.
 
2013-08-17 01:52:17 PM

mikaloyd: Seattle sports brings out the worst in everybody I guess.


Fixed...though the word in bold could be removed altogether I suppose.
 
2013-08-17 01:59:26 PM
Just a Butthurt billionaire nothing to see here.
 
2013-08-17 02:04:12 PM

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: This may be all true, but the fact that he did this one month after he was rejected from buying the team burned up any relationship with the league owners and will spoil his chance of ever being approved to own a team. Basically, he's the Jim Balsillie of the NBA.


As long as he still has a fat bag of cash available, he's still got a chance with the NBA.  Whores don't irrevocably lock up the pussy just for getting slapped around a little; they just charge more next time.
 
2013-08-17 02:05:38 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: This may be all true, but the fact that he did this one month after he was rejected from buying the team burned up any relationship with the league owners and will spoil his chance of ever being approved to own a team. Basically, he's the Jim Balsillie of the NBA.

As long as he still has a fat bag of cash available, he's still got a chance with the NBA.  Whores don't irrevocably lock up the pussy just for getting slapped around a little; they just charge more next time.


That's what Canada said about Balsillie.
 
2013-08-17 02:27:06 PM

mikaloyd: Rwa2play: Really? Uh, I'm sorry but David Stern and the NBA are farking scumbags. I really don't have a problem with Hansen doing this because, frankly, Stern did it to him.

What did Sacramento do to him again?


Who said anything about Sacramento doing something to Hansen?  Frankly, Stern's a gutless farking dirtball.
 
2013-08-17 02:28:13 PM

dragonchild: Rwa2play: I'm sorry but David Stern and the NBA are farking scumbags. I really don't have a problem with Hansen doing this because, frankly, Stern did it to him.

Who says I'm on Stern's side?  I just don't think I could enjoy entertainment if it involved scorching someone else's earth to get it.  It's basketball FFS.


The Maloofs scorched that earth long beforehand.
 
2013-08-17 03:05:47 PM

wiseolddude: Fade2black

Maybe if you weren't such an idiot and did some research, you would see you are wrong. Your property tax didn't go up, the levies you voted yes on were the reason your "taxes" went up.

I live in Everett and my taxes have gone DOWN $640.40 since 2008.


The levies that were enacted raised taxes because if you tell a politican he can't have money from here, he'll still grab it from over "there" and keep their revenue stream going.

And I'm happy for your lower tax rate, I really am.  Not all of us have the chance to live in a meth infested shiathole like Everett where our property values tank on an hourly basis.

And no, I'm not an Eyman supporter...I don't appreciate the fact that he no longer does it for love of lower taxes, he's constantly paid off by interest groups to start these campaigns.  He's essentially a glorified lobbyist now.  But what I despise now is the derpsheep of Washington not stepping back and admitting that out of the 9 or 10 bad campaigns he's writing, there's 1 or 2 that genuinely are there to help out the "little guy" and quell the spending that has gone up over 30% since Queen Christine took office in 2004 ($30 car tabs).
 
2013-08-17 03:30:09 PM

degenerate-afro: elguerodiablo: A billionaire that's a shady fark?  Who could have possibly thought that?

Compared to most billionaire?  This is practically benign.  I mean, he wanted a basketball team in his city, so he attempts to sabotage another city to try and accomplish that goal.  It's better than claiming you are pro-life then sending assassins to kill people working at medical facilities.


It IS farking benign. Dude gave money to the campaign to let the residents of Sac vote on whether or not to be robbed blind by a bunch of assholes. Which they should be able to do. People deserve to be able to vote on shiat like this.
 
2013-08-17 04:41:11 PM

Smelly McUgly: It eschews multi-sport cities for cow towns like Sacramento, Oklahoma City, and Memphis.


It is interesting how much they do that over other leagues....

Markets where they are the only "Big 4" sports team:

NBA (7): Memphis, Portland, Salt Lake City, Sacramento, Oklahoma City, Orlando, San Antonio
NHL (2): Columbus,Raleigh
NFL (2): Jacksonville, Green Bay (although I'd only give them 1/2 a team here, GB is so much "Wisconsin's (especially Eastern) team" and really reaches into Milwaukee's market deeply, more than just about any other team to a neighboring market)
MLB (0)

I mean, it seems like it really has to be a somewhatconscious decision by the league to do this at that level.
 
2013-08-17 09:12:12 PM

dletter: Smelly McUgly: It eschews multi-sport cities for cow towns like Sacramento, Oklahoma City, and Memphis.

It is interesting how much they do that over other leagues....

Markets where they are the only "Big 4" sports team:

NBA (7): Memphis, Portland, Salt Lake City, Sacramento, Oklahoma City, Orlando, San Antonio
NHL (2): Columbus,Raleigh
NFL (2): Jacksonville, Green Bay (although I'd only give them 1/2 a team here, GB is so much "Wisconsin's (especially Eastern) team" and really reaches into Milwaukee's market deeply, more than just about any other team to a neighboring market)
MLB (0)

I mean, it seems like it really has to be a somewhatconscious decision by the league to do this at that level.


It's worked for them in the past, hasn't it?  Phoenix was a one-team town until the late '80s, for a start.  So was Seattle, back in the day (it took a long while for that one to turn sour.)
 
2013-08-17 11:48:00 PM

mikaloyd: Seattle basketball brings out the worst in everybody I guess.


Particularly their players, most years.
 
2013-08-18 12:13:40 AM

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: Your Average Witty Fark User: RickN99: Good headline, full of insinuation since the "this" mentioned in the headline as a "violation of state law" is not even in the headline.

The broken California law was that the PAC to which Hansen donated the money did not file some of their disclosure paperwork on time.  Nothing about the identity of the donor was illegal, nor was the amount illegal, nor was the purpose illegal.

Jeezus one guy in here gets it.

He's a resident of San Francisco- less than two hour's drive to Sacto. He can do whatever he wants on his own time with his own money. He didn't break the law, as you've noted, the PAC did. And how the fark is this any different than when Sacto do the exact same thing, with taxpayer money no less, in Anaheim? It isn't.

The intricacies of the footprint for the potential new arena, plus the funding and the borderline illegal kickbacks, will prevent this arena from being built. All the NBA had to do was say "You gave it your best Sacto, and we gave you years to get it done, now GTFO". The NBA and Kevin Johnson played dirty from day one, this is just Hansen showing he has the balls to play their game. No big deal.

This may be all true, but the fact that he did this one month after he was rejected from buying the team burned up any relationship with the league owners and will spoil his chance of ever being approved to own a team. Basically, he's the Jim Balsillie of the NBA.


I would disagree. Expansion is coming, this is for sure. The NBA really needs two balanced conferences, so adding two teams makes sense. He's shown a commitment to getting shiat done, and getting it done right. Sacto did this exact same thing in Anaheim. It isn't a big deal; in fact, it's being blown out of proportion.
 
2013-08-18 08:41:55 AM

caira: dletter: Smelly McUgly: It eschews multi-sport cities for cow towns like Sacramento, Oklahoma City, and Memphis.

It is interesting how much they do that over other leagues....

Markets where they are the only "Big 4" sports team:

NBA (7): Memphis, Portland, Salt Lake City, Sacramento, Oklahoma City, Orlando, San Antonio
NHL (2): Columbus,Raleigh
NFL (2): Jacksonville, Green Bay (although I'd only give them 1/2 a team here, GB is so much "Wisconsin's (especially Eastern) team" and really reaches into Milwaukee's market deeply, more than just about any other team to a neighboring market)
MLB (0)

I mean, it seems like it really has to be a somewhatconscious decision by the league to do this at that level.

It's worked for them in the past, hasn't it?  Phoenix was a one-team town until the late '80s, for a start.  So was Seattle, back in the day (it took a long while for that one to turn sour.)


True.... although from their current list, I'm not sure I can see many markets that will get another Big 4 team (although 2 of them are MLS towns that draw very well).  The only two that I've even heard somewhat mentioned even in mostly "fantasy we'll get a team articles" are Portland for MLB or NHL, and San Antonio for NFL.
 
2013-08-18 11:52:36 AM

degenerate-afro: elguerodiablo: A billionaire that's a shady fark?  Who could have possibly thought that?

Compared to most billionaire?  This is practically benign.  I mean, he wanted a basketball team in his city, so he attempts to sabotage another city to try and accomplish that goal.  It's better than claiming you are pro-life then sending assassins to kill people working at medical facilities.


Don't hate the player, hate the game. The NBA setup this monopoly and that's the one to fault.
I was going to bring up the RICO act and I see that the Montreal owners did so when their MLB team was going to move to Washington.
 
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