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(Reason Magazine)   So you punched someone at a concert, arrested an elderly woman who asked for help, then taserd a guy and killed him. Just another Miami cop doing his duty   (reason.com) divider line 99
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2013-08-17 10:53:05 AM
I'm sure we could figure out whether the justice system feels that tasers are lethal weapons or not (though I'm too lazy to look for it).  Anyone have any links to what a civilian might be charged with if they tased another civilian.  Would he/she be charged with "assault with a deadly weapon"?
 
2013-08-17 10:53:11 AM

TuteTibiImperes: He doesn't have anything to be sorry for - he was used non-lethal force to stop a criminal who attempted to flee and then charged him.

Tasers aren't designed to kill, in this case it did, but the policeman didn't design or build it, he just used it in an attempt to subdue a man who should have surrendered in the first place.

Unless you think the police should let vandals they catch red handed go if they decide to run, I don't see how anyone can hold what happened against the officer.


For a weapon that isn't designed to kill they do a surprisingly good job of it.

There have been over 500 taser deaths since 2001.
 
2013-08-17 10:55:11 AM
Why even taser the kid? He was just some teenaged kid doing what a lot of teenaged kids do: dumb stuff. Sure he's going to run away when caught. He's a kid. Sometimes when kids get caught doing stupid things they run away. It's not like he was standing there with a machete in each hand and threatening to kill someone. Since when does getting caught spray painting a wall and then running away warrant a tasering?

Sheesh.
 
2013-08-17 10:57:25 AM

TuteTibiImperes: A taser shouldn't kill someone, in this case it did, which is unfortunate, but it never would have happened if the vandal hadn't run away when he was confronted.


Tasers are less than lethal. They are not non-lethal. There are well documented cases of people who had fought with the police or were on uppers, were tased, and then suddenly dropped dead as they were being taken to the car.  The colloquial name for it is sudden in custody death syndrome.

Sean M: I already know that with my heart condition, if I were to be tased, I'd be dead.  No question about it.


Research would generally say otherwise unless you're on methamphetamines/substituted cathinones, or the barbs happen to land in the apex/sternal position on your chest - in which case, it was your time to begin with.

Sean M: Slightly less lethal than a gun, but still is a lethal weapon.  It should be treated as such and used only when there is imminent threat to someone else's life, just as they would a gun.


It's far less lethal than a gun, but I generally agree with what you're saying.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: A taser should never be used in a situation in which using a real gun would be unreasonable.  If someone is running, that's why they have a radio, to contact the rest of the PD.  If someone looks too big to handle, That's what you have the radio for, to contact the rest of the PD.  It's cops trying to be farking superheros that get people killed.


Are you trolling? The whole reason the taser was invented was to be used in situations where the only other option that would keep an officer from endangering his life with a suspect who didn't pose a right-now life threat would be to put a bullet in him. It was also developed to minimize injury to the person posing that threat.
 
2013-08-17 11:00:50 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: A taser should never be used in a situation in which using a real gun would be unreasonable.  If someone is running, that's why they have a radio, to contact the rest of the PD.  If someone looks too big to handle, That's what you have the radio for, to contact the rest of the PD.  It's cops trying to be farking superheros that get people killed.


That's great but not in the real world.
What if back up is not available?
Do you really tie up extra resources for a fleeing vandal?
Taser the farker I say.
 
2013-08-17 11:08:44 AM
TuteTibiImperes [TotalFark]

He doesn't have anything to be sorry for - he was used non-lethal force to stop a criminal who attempted to flee and then charged him.
You have a video showing that's what happened, or are you taking the word of someone with violent tendencies?


///dnrtfa
 
2013-08-17 11:12:11 AM
Nobody deserves to be tasered, not even the sharp-toothed, wired-wrong, social misfits that call for the liberal use of said tasers.
It's just not nice, the barbs leave little holes that can contribute to karma leakage and the resultant mindful of electrical storm from a tasering can cause havoc with your rotational eclipse, or cognitive feedback circuits.
I say we just throw goldfish at each other if we want to create mayhem, otherwise let each others live in peace, no matter what supposed crimes we imagine are happening.
 
2013-08-17 11:13:38 AM
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Sounds like the cop does his job "well well well well well well WELL!"

Seriously though, cops probably would feel less of the need to taser if they weren't too fat to run down suspects on foot.

/Helped write up a manual for a PD in TX
//10 reps was the passing score for push-ups and sit-ups
 
2013-08-17 11:15:10 AM

edmo: TuteTibiImperes: The Internet seems out to get this guy

Yeah, it's the Internet. Some nameless force. Some group of whiners hiding behind an electronic curtain. There are no real victims out there.

The scariest thing is how did it all start? How did the Internet just up and decide to start targeting this one officer? How did it manage to successfully entrap him so often? What motive drives the Internet to scheme to ruin this man's life?

Despite it all, the Internet is still at large. And thankfully for this officer, the only people hurts so far are these "alleged" victims.


RTFA and read about the "alleged " victims..
 
2013-08-17 11:18:18 AM
So, he's only one for four.  At least he got the useless tagger.  With a little effort he can raise his average to .300 and we won't have to trade him.
 
2013-08-17 11:24:47 AM

TuteTibiImperes: bunner: TuteTibiImperes: A taser shouldn't kill someone, in this case it did, which is unfortunate

Well, as long as he's all sorry and sh*t.

He doesn't have anything to be sorry for - he was used non-lethal force to stop a criminal who attempted to flee and then charged him.

Tasers aren't designed to kill, in this case it did, but the policeman didn't design or build it, he just used it in an attempt to subdue a man who should have surrendered in the first place.

Unless you think the police should let vandals they catch red handed go if they decide to run, I don't see how anyone can hold what happened against the officer.


How does the taser work on someone who runs? They're kind of short range.
 
2013-08-17 11:34:56 AM
You might say he was too dedicated...

...to walking the beat.
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2013-08-17 11:41:51 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: TuteTibiImperes: A taser shouldn't kill someone, in this case it did, which is unfortunate, but it never would have happened if the vandal hadn't run away when he was confronted.

The kid was spraypainting a building and he ran away. He didn't pose a risk of violence to anyone, least of all the police. Fleeing arrest might be a crime but it's completely understandable in a scared teenager. There was absolutely no reason to inflict the amount of pain involved in a tasing on him, even if it's supposedly non-lethal. The purpose of giving officers tasers is so they can stop a dangerous suspect without putting innocents at risk by firing a gun. It was never intended to give LEOs a "fark you, do what I say" weapon.

Taking the cops' side in this is bootlicking, plain and simple.


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2013-08-17 11:42:55 AM

Lord Farkwad: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: TuteTibiImperes: A taser shouldn't kill someone, in this case it did, which is unfortunate, but it never would have happened if the vandal hadn't run away when he was confronted.

The kid was spraypainting a building and he ran away. He didn't pose a risk of violence to anyone, least of all the police. Fleeing arrest might be a crime but it's completely understandable in a scared teenager. There was absolutely no reason to inflict the amount of pain involved in a tasing on him, even if it's supposedly non-lethal. The purpose of giving officers tasers is so they can stop a dangerous suspect without putting innocents at risk by firing a gun. It was never intended to give LEOs a "fark you, do what I say" weapon.

Taking the cops' side in this is bootlicking, plain and simple.

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i1.ytimg.com

Kiiiinky.
 
2013-08-17 11:53:25 AM

RayD8: Wouldn't that be textiling while driving?


What you did there. I sew it.
 
2013-08-17 11:59:47 AM

hardinparamedic: Are you trolling? The whole reason the taser was invented was to be used in situations where the only other option that would keep an officer from endangering his life with a suspect who didn't pose a right-now life threat would be to put a bullet in him. It was also developed to minimize injury to the person posing that threat.


A fleeing spray painter isn't a threat.. at all.  Seriously, can you EVER be on the right side of an issue?
 
2013-08-17 12:01:30 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: A fleeing spray painter isn't a threat.. at all.  Seriously, can you EVER be on the right side of an issue?


I never said he was. I was correcting your particular brand of stupid.

But nice try.
 
2013-08-17 12:01:46 PM

TuteTibiImperes: bunner: TuteTibiImperes: I don't see how anyone can hold what happened against the officer

I dunno, try hanging this guy's rèsumè on the tagger and you'd be screaming for him to head off to gay sex dungeon land for life.  Apologists don't interest me.  Justice interests me.  Call me when it also interests the cops.  I can put a badge on and blow your head off and be home by five.  If you're fine with that, I can't think of anything to say to you.

Granted he's been accused of wrongdoing in the past, but policemen are often wrongly accused in the course of their usual duties.  Even if the previous accusations are true, it doesn't mean that he was wrong in this case.

When someone is stopped, caught red handed by the police, and they run, anything further than happens to them is entirely on them.  If the officer were accused of excessive force, or any force against an innocent I'd be inclined to agree with you about him being strung up.  The facts seem to be however that the guy that was killed was caught in the commission of a crime, and ran, that absolves the officer of blame for any use of force needed to apprehend him.


Any use of force? Are you daft?

Listen to this f'n guy
 
2013-08-17 12:04:00 PM

andyofne: TuteTibiImperes: He doesn't have anything to be sorry for - he was used non-lethal force to stop a criminal who attempted to flee and then charged him.

Tasers aren't designed to kill, in this case it did, but the policeman didn't design or build it, he just used it in an attempt to subdue a man who should have surrendered in the first place.

Unless you think the police should let vandals they catch red handed go if they decide to run, I don't see how anyone can hold what happened against the officer.

For a weapon that isn't designed to kill they do a surprisingly good job of it.

There have been over 500 taser deaths since 2001.



Falling out of bed kills 450 every year in the USA.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/awesomer/20-things-that-kill-more-people-tha n- sharks-every

/Trying not to spoil a good cop-hater thread.
 
2013-08-17 12:05:54 PM

andyofne: There have been over 500 taser deaths since 2001.


And almost all of them are linked with sympathomimetic drug use and extended physical exertion before hand.

On the other hand, the real question is how many deaths compared with how many uses of the taser since 2001.
 
2013-08-17 12:12:22 PM

hardinparamedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: A fleeing spray painter isn't a threat.. at all.  Seriously, can you EVER be on the right side of an issue?

I never said he was. I was correcting your particular brand of stupid.

But nice try.


hardinparamedic: The whole reason the taser was invented was to be used in situations where the only other option that would keep an officer from endangering his life with a suspect


Oh look, you're lying.. again.
 
2013-08-17 12:17:02 PM

Ker_Thwap: So, he's only one for four.  At least he got the useless tagger.  With a little effort he can raise his average to .300 and we won't have to trade him.


No need to trade him. He's already playing for the other team.
One of this dickhead's victims would eventually be a "bad guy" , right? Law of averages and all.
Maybe you or your wife or kid will get to be the first to be shot dead at the movies by this psycho. Or when he puIls you over for weaving.
It really wouldn't hurt his average that much.
 
2013-08-17 12:23:52 PM

hardinparamedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: A fleeing spray painter isn't a threat.. at all.  Seriously, can you EVER be on the right side of an issue?

I never said he was. I was correcting your particular brand of stupid.

But nice try.


Tazers were adopted to reduce risk to the cop. Just like every advance in cop technology and tactics.
They could not care less whether you live or die. See SWAT's reaction tp the Columbine massacre for the proof of what I say.
 
2013-08-17 12:30:38 PM

Slappajo: TuteTibiImperes: iq_in_binary: TuteTibiImperes: The Internet seems out to get this guy because he used appropriate force to stop a vandal that he caught red handed who then fled and resisted arrest.

Granted, some of the policeman's previous actions may warrant review, but in the case that's bringing this all up I don't see how he did anything wrong.

A taser shouldn't kill someone, in this case it did, which is unfortunate, but it never would have happened if the vandal hadn't run away when he was confronted.

Tasers are weapons, not compliance tools. They are meant to be used as the resort before bullets are used. They are not meant for people fleeing pursuit, or those who do not pose a threat to the officers or others.

Otherwise, they don't get to use the threat of being tasered as justification for shooting. Tasers shouldn't kill, remember?


I agree they shouldn't kill, and from other articles the police did everything they could to chase this guy down before he suddenly ran at them, at which point they tasered him. Even if he hadn't run at them I think it should be justified. When a criminal runs they accept the consequences that come from that. If the police can't use force to stop a fleeing suspect it reduces the incentive for criminals to comply with the directions from the police. To wrap it up - if the police just walked up to him and tasered him they'd be in the wrong. As soon as he ran instead of complying with their instructions they were in the right to stop him using a non-lethal tool.

Ignoring the "running at them" (which a cop is likely to put in his report just like "strong odor of alcohol" or "was non-compliant with officer's instructions") I think the mitigating factor here is the severity or type of crime.  The person killed here posed no threat to anyone if he got away.


Actually, the tagger was charging at them. How else were the prongs of the taser in his chest instead of his back?

/No sympathy for vandalizing scum
//cop sounds like an arsehole who should be investigated for the other crimes, though
 
2013-08-17 12:35:02 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Oh look, you're lying.. again.


www.troll.me

Sweet christ. Either you're a disingenious idiot trying to get a rise out of someone, or you have some sort of learning disability which makes you unable to grasp sentence structure in the English langauge. In what world is pointing out what a taser is supposed to be used for defending what happened her. Anyone reading that would be able to see it's actually a condemnation of what happened.

If I had wanted to defend anything, I would have explicitly done such. Stop trying to find hidden meanings behind a statement to try and show everyone that the straws you're grasping at are real.

dstrick44: They could not care less whether you live or die. See SWAT's reaction tp the Columbine massacre for the proof of what I say.


Yeah, that's totally why current doctrine for active shooter events is to take individual action by first arriving units on scene to isolate, engage, and kill the shooter while ignoring wounded. The Columbine shooting resulted in massive changes to Law Enforcement doctrine.
 
2013-08-17 12:36:41 PM
Language. Here.

Stupid IE.
 
2013-08-17 12:44:48 PM

hardinparamedic: Sweet christ. Either you're a disingenious idiot trying to get a rise out of someone, or you have some sort of learning disability which makes you unable to grasp sentence structure in the English langauge. In what world is pointing out what a taser is supposed to be used for defending what happened her. Anyone reading that would be able to see it's actually a condemnation of what happened.


hardinparamedic: The whole reason the taser was invented was to be used in situations where the only other option that would keep an officer from endangering his life with a suspect who didn't pose a right-now life threat would be to put a bullet in him. It was also developed to minimize injury to the person posing that threat.


This.. is condemnation!?  STOP... farkING... LYING...

Your strategy-
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2013-08-17 01:05:52 PM

Rand's lacy underwear: TuteTibiImperes: When a criminal runs they accept the consequences that come from that.

You seem to think only criminals run from cops.


Running from the police when they are trying to take you into custody is resisting arrest, the act of running itself is a crime.

We have a justice system with established procedures for a reason.  You have a right to an attorney, a right to remain silent, a right to a fair trial, etc, but you do not have a right to run from the police.

Deathfrogg: Slappajo:
Ignoring the "running at them" (which a cop is likely to put in his report just like "strong odor of alcohol" or "was non-compliant with officer's instructions") I think the mitigating factor here is the severity or type of crime.  The person killed here posed no threat to anyone if he got away.


You forgot "there was a strong oder of marijuana" and "He was a knee-grow driving a nice car" and "I thought he might have had a gun".


Yes, there are times when the police abuse their power, and that needs to be addressed.  Pursuing and stopping a suspect caught in the commission of a crime is not an abuse of power.

The guy they stopped was 18, a legal adult, and witnessed committing vandalism.
 
2013-08-17 01:07:54 PM

vudutek: iq_in_binary: TuteTibiImperes: iq_in_binary: TuteTibiImperes: The Internet seems out to get this guy because he used appropriate force to stop a vandal that he caught red handed who then fled and resisted arrest.

Granted, some of the policeman's previous actions may warrant review, but in the case that's bringing this all up I don't see how he did anything wrong.

A taser shouldn't kill someone, in this case it did, which is unfortunate, but it never would have happened if the vandal hadn't run away when he was confronted.

Tasers are weapons, not compliance tools. They are meant to be used as the resort before bullets are used. They are not meant for people fleeing pursuit, or those who do not pose a threat to the officers or others.

Otherwise, they don't get to use the threat of being tasered as justification for shooting. Tasers shouldn't kill, remember?


I agree they shouldn't kill, and from other articles the police did everything they could to chase this guy down before he suddenly ran at them, at which point they tasered him. Even if he hadn't run at them I think it should be justified. When a criminal runs they accept the consequences that come from that. If the police can't use force to stop a fleeing suspect it reduces the incentive for criminals to comply with the directions from the police. To wrap it up - if the police just walked up to him and tasered him they'd be in the wrong. As soon as he ran instead of complying with their instructions they were in the right to stop him using a non-lethal tool.

Less than lethal. It is NOT non-lethal, or this kid would still be alive.

Running does not grant police officers the right to shoot someone. Running does not grant police officers to throw punches or kicks at the subject once they apprehend them. Running does not grant police officers the right to pepper spray you when they apprehend you.

If it does not grant justification for shooting someone, it does not grant you justification to taser them. Period. They do not ...

You'll never convince Tute. Anything less than complete subservience to out LEO overlords is grounds for any and all actions up to and including death.

Don't comply? Prepare to die.


Makes Cruiser12 look like a cop hater.
 
2013-08-17 01:10:25 PM
I live in Miami Beach, and I can attest that the Miami Beach Police Department is completely out of control. Corruption and misconduct is rampant. The City shows flagrant disregard for the lives and livelihood of residents and visitors alike.  Drug use seems to be widespread and there are rumors that the police often stop and threaten tourists they believe to be carrying drugs, and steal them for themselves.

Besides this horriffic incident, we've had unjustifiable shootings, unwarranted attacks on tourists (who've been subsequently arrested for "assault on a police officer" and months or years later cleared), deaths or injuries to tourists by officers, etc.

Miami Beach is not currently a safe place, since those who are paid to serve and protect do neither.
 
2013-08-17 01:28:14 PM

TuteTibiImperes: He doesn't have anything to be sorry for - he was used non-lethal force to stop a criminal kid who attempted to flee and then supposedly charged him.


FTFY
 
2013-08-17 01:50:51 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: This.. is condemnation!?  STOP... farkING... LYING...

Your strategy-


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Katolu: Makes Cruiser12 look like a cop hater.


He's one of the few people on FARK that C12 has taken to task in the past. When C12 tells you you're wrong about a cop when you defend him, damn. That's a new level of delusion.
 
2013-08-17 01:53:06 PM

iq_in_binary: TuteTibiImperes: iq_in_binary: TuteTibiImperes: The Internet seems out to get this guy because he used appropriate force to stop a vandal that he caught red handed who then fled and resisted arrest.

Granted, some of the policeman's previous actions may warrant review, but in the case that's bringing this all up I don't see how he did anything wrong.

A taser shouldn't kill someone, in this case it did, which is unfortunate, but it never would have happened if the vandal hadn't run away when he was confronted.

Tasers are weapons, not compliance tools. They are meant to be used as the resort before bullets are used. They are not meant for people fleeing pursuit, or those who do not pose a threat to the officers or others.

Otherwise, they don't get to use the threat of being tasered as justification for shooting. Tasers shouldn't kill, remember?


I agree they shouldn't kill, and from other articles the police did everything they could to chase this guy down before he suddenly ran at them, at which point they tasered him. Even if he hadn't run at them I think it should be justified. When a criminal runs they accept the consequences that come from that. If the police can't use force to stop a fleeing suspect it reduces the incentive for criminals to comply with the directions from the police. To wrap it up - if the police just walked up to him and tasered him they'd be in the wrong. As soon as he ran instead of complying with their instructions they were in the right to stop him using a non-lethal tool.

Less than lethal. It is NOT non-lethal, or this kid would still be alive.

Running does not grant police officers the right to shoot someone. Running does not grant police officers to throw punches or kicks at the subject once they apprehend them. Running does not grant police officers the right to pepper spray you when they apprehend you.

If it does not grant justification for shooting someone, it does not grant you justification to taser them. Period. They do not get to enjoy a taser as a "tool." It is a gun. It looks like a gun, it operates like a gun, it's named after a farking rifle designed to kill for gods sakes, the only difference is the ammunition. It's a double edged sword. So long as they get to use the threat of getting tasered as justification for lethal force, the use of a taser is considered lethal force in and of itself. Any other way and it is simply giving them a tool to brutalize people with at will. Fark that.


Well, that's an interesting opinion, but in the case of a felony, you're just wrong.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner
 
2013-08-17 01:56:35 PM

iq_in_binary: They do not get to enjoy a taser as a "tool." It is a gun. It looks like a gun, it operates like a gun, it's named after a farking rifle designed to kill for gods sakes, the only difference is the ammunition.


Actually, it was named after a fictional weapon from a fictional story that was the childhood favorite of it's lead researcher.
 
2013-08-17 02:06:20 PM

hardinparamedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: This.. is condemnation!?  STOP... farkING... LYING...

Your strategy-

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So, you've given up on deliberate and easily falsifiable lies and moved on to irrelevant gifs devoid of any actual response? Congrats.
 
2013-08-17 02:10:27 PM
BraveNewCheneyWorld:So, you've given up on deliberate and easily falsifiable lies and moved on to irrelevant gifs devoid of any actual response? Congrats.

I learned it from watching you.
 
2013-08-17 02:11:13 PM
Aww. That post was meaningless without the picture.

i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-08-17 02:12:13 PM
The son of my mother's boyfriend is a police officer here in Deland. Earlier this year (late last year?) He was
part of a chase-down of a suspect. A fellow officer, a rookie, was in his own patrol car and went down a side
road to try to head the suspect off. Said suspect jumped out in front of the patrol car before the officer could
stop and was struck by the vehicle and died.

The officer in question was fired.
 
2013-08-17 02:22:36 PM

digitalrain: The son of my mother's boyfriend is a police officer here in Deland. Earlier this year (late last year?) He was
part of a chase-down of a suspect. A fellow officer, a rookie, was in his own patrol car and went down a side
road to try to head the suspect off. Said suspect jumped out in front of the patrol car before the officer could
stop and was struck by the vehicle and died.

The officer in question was fired.


If he'd shot him he would have been promoted.
 
2013-08-17 02:24:01 PM

hardinparamedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld:So, you've given up on deliberate and easily falsifiable lies and moved on to irrelevant gifs devoid of any actual response? Congrats.

I learned it from watching you.


More bullshiat lying..

So, what kind of mental illness are you living with?  Which of your parents wasn't there for you? You clearly have some severe problem facing reality, I'm just wondering how you got that way.
 
2013-08-17 02:31:58 PM

TuteTibiImperes: We have a justice system with established procedures for a reason. You have a right to an attorney, a right to remain silent, a right to a fair trial, etc,


When this is a fantasy...

but you do not have a right to run from the police.


...this is also.
 
2013-08-17 02:40:12 PM
Cop looks like a bad apple -- anyone can see that.

A) If you run from a cop -- I would expect to be chase/taserd/subdued, nobody expects to run from a cop and have the cop shrug his shoulders and go "well, guess he got away".  It really doesn't work like that.

If a cop attempts to stop you or ask what you are doing, and the first thing you do is run, it's REASONABLE to assume you were up to no good. At this point refer back to A)

Did the kid have a heart condition? Sounds like it. If that was the case he probably shouldn't have been out vandalizing things and running from cops. That generally would have been good for his health yes?

Tasers for all intents and purposes are non lethal devices - sure there is going to be that 1% of people who have some medical condition that might be exacerbated by a taser - but how many of those 1% of people would run from the cops?  For all those crying for blood -- yes, I will give it to you that the cop looks to be somewhat dirty and could probably use a general ass kicking, however you must also admit that for all the biatching about tasers they do save lives when other means might be too much.

For some of the arguments presented in other posts -- it sounds like the only thing police should be able to carry is a water pistol. Yes, there are police out there that have NO business with a badge/gun/taser/ or even a wooden stick, but the fact is police have to be able to react, kid made a dumb choice to run, cost him his life.

Here in DFW we have portions of Dallas PD that are supposedly starting (or will be starting) to wear the eye glass cameras for their shift, can't be tampered with, edited, or stopped while on durty - something like this on a national level would quickly and easily answer all the questions on both side of the argument.    Just imagine - if someone had video of the Travon martin crap? It would be hilarious to see all the people who were crying over him and saying he was just a sweet innocent boy, if they saw him bashing another mans face into the ground.
 
2013-08-17 02:44:33 PM

Rand's lacy underwear: TuteTibiImperes: We have a justice system with established procedures for a reason. You have a right to an attorney, a right to remain silent, a right to a fair trial, etc,

When this is a fantasy...

but you do not have a right to run from the police.

...this is also.


Except that it isn't a fantasy.  He would have had access to the same rights in the legal system as anyone else, he just chose to run instead of availing himself of those rights.

Granted, public defenders are overloaded, and I completely support doubling/tripling/quadrupling/whatever the number of public defenders so that everyone charged with a crime can have the same amount of one on one time with their lawyer and the same amount of attention paid to their case as someone who can afford a private attorney.

The guy was just looking at vandalism though, he likely would have spent the night in jail and been released on his own recognizance after arraignment, and probably gotten off with a fine and some community service.
 
2013-08-17 04:01:07 PM
$583,544 in OT pay split between ten of them. Even if it was over a two or three year period that's a decent chunk of change.
 
2013-08-17 04:14:39 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: More bullshiat lying..

So, what kind of mental illness are you living with? Which of your parents wasn't there for you? You clearly have some severe problem facing reality, I'm just wondering how you got that way


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Oh. I'm sorry. You want me to take you seriously when you're blatantly trolling by putting words in someone's mouth, and purposfully misrepresenting what they said?

Hang on. Hang on. I gotta stop laughing.
 
2013-08-17 06:26:26 PM
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2013-08-17 07:26:49 PM
Tasers don't kill people. Cops with tasers kill people.
 
2013-08-17 08:14:23 PM

Whatchoo Talkinbout: [i1280.photobucket.com image 320x224]
Sound's like the kid needed one of these.
Just sayin'


I think most people would agree with you.  Instead he was killed.

TuteTibiImperes: He doesn't have anything to be sorry for - he was used non-lethal force to stop a criminal who attempted to flee and then charged him.


You have at least four mistakes in this sentence.  1) He should be sorry for killing the kid.  2) Obviously the force was lethal.  3) Alleged criminal -cops are not judge nor jury.  4) It is purely hearsay that the kid attempted to flee or charge.

TuteTibiImperes: Unless you think the police should let vandals they catch red handed go if they decide to run, I don't see how anyone can hold what happened against the officer.


If the cop cant apprehend vandals without using potentially lethal force then perhaps they should let suspected vandals go and rethink their career choice.  A difference should also be recognized between a suspected vandal and a suspected violent criminal.  Yet LEO's often treat all people as suspects and all suspects as life threatening.
 
2013-08-17 08:33:41 PM

hardinparamedic: iq_in_binary: They do not get to enjoy a taser as a "tool." It is a gun. It looks like a gun, it operates like a gun, it's named after a farking rifle designed to kill for gods sakes, the only difference is the ammunition.

Actually, it was named after a fictional weapon from a fictional story that was the childhood favorite of it's lead researcher.


Thomas A Swift's Electric Rifle. Yes I know.

Rifle. Those are DEFINITELY designed to kill.
 
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