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2013-08-16 09:28:00 PM  
If God created everything, that would include the doctors who made the triple cocktail and the next gen of treatments as well. So praise Him by listening to your doctor.
 
2013-08-16 10:21:00 PM  
Telling an HIV patient "Leave it in God's hands" is Christian code-speak for "Die, you homo queer satan pawn!"
 
2013-08-16 10:39:22 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Telling an HIV patient "Leave it in God's hands" is Christian code-speak for "Die, you homo queer satan pawn!"


True.
 
2013-08-16 10:44:49 PM  

doglover: If God created everything, that would include the doctors who made the triple cocktail and the next gen of treatments as well. So praise Him by listening to your doctor.


I predict that this will be the most sane comment in this thread.
 
2013-08-16 11:32:37 PM  
Do these "religious" folks ever go home and laugh out loud and wonder if people actually believe their crap as they light up a joint and kick back to watch some porn?
 
2013-08-16 11:36:42 PM  
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2013-08-16 11:54:12 PM  
Tell them "I have enough 'God' right now. I need drugs and money."
 
2013-08-16 11:54:30 PM  
And in a perfect world, each of those pastors should be charged with premeditated murder.

HIV/AIDS denial turns a chronic disease which has a near-normal life expectancy with HAART therapy into a death sentence, and helps to spread the virus.

Peter Duesberg is one of history's greatest monsters. I'm willing to bet his brand of denialism has killed more than the Holodomor.
 
2013-08-16 11:55:10 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Telling an HIV patient "Leave it in God's hands" is Christian code-speak for "Die, you homo queer satan pawn!"


Done in 2.
 
2013-08-16 11:59:51 PM  
Anecdotal evidence? That's good enough for me!

Run the story!
 
2013-08-17 12:01:20 AM  

benbenbenbenben: Anecdotal evidence? That's good enough for me!

Run the story!


Faith healers telling people to go off their medication is just a fairy tail. Never happens.

That article is from 2011. This has been going on for decades, not just recently.
 
2013-08-17 12:03:18 AM  
Ah, Pentecostalism: another fantastic new export of the USA.
 
2013-08-17 12:06:43 AM  
They should be Mormons.

Everyone knows Joseph Smith cured his AIDS by farking a frog.
 
2013-08-17 12:09:34 AM  
they should start a band?
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2013-08-17 12:14:31 AM  
It shiat like this is why I don't consider religion "harmless" or "more positive than negative" anyone else in any other situation would be under the jail at this point. But for some reason these people very rarely end up seeing the inside of a court room. They're either not prosecuted or in the unlikely event that they are charged its either acquittal or some bullshiat slap on the wrist plea deal. At this point if you're not saying no it the same as saying yes. Now commence telling me I'm a four your old troll trying to be edgy.
 
2013-08-17 12:16:33 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Tell them "I have enough 'God' right now. I need drugs and money."


And lawyers.  And guns.

Maybe the guns first.
 
2013-08-17 12:17:25 AM  

ScaryBottles: It shiat like this is why I don't consider religion "harmless" or "more positive than negative" anyone else in any other situation would be under the jail at this point. But for some reason these people very rarely end up seeing the inside of a court room. They're either not prosecuted or in the unlikely event that they are charged its either acquittal or some bullshiat slap on the wrist plea deal. At this point if you're not saying no it the same as saying yes. Now commence telling me I'm a four year old troll trying to be edgy.


Dammit! Every time I actually have a point I always do this.
 
2013-08-17 12:19:30 AM  

hardinparamedic: And in a perfect world, each of those pastors should be charged with premeditated murder.


Yup.  Send them over here where they could get the death penalty for murdering a child.  (Not that we are any more sensible about pastors preaching faith healing, although we have prosecuted parents who relied on it--unfortunately only with manslaughter charges.)
 
2013-08-17 12:19:45 AM  
Give someone a sugar-pill and tell them it cures cancer, and you go to jail for the rest of your life.  Give someone a sugar-pill and tell them God says it cures them of cancer, and you live the rest of your life as a millionaire.

That's God's true superpower: The ability to take the same act, once considered abhorrent, and immediately make it okay.  Satan wishes he played the game at God's level.
 
2013-08-17 12:21:05 AM  
Terri Schiavo is a perfect example as to the effectiveness of prayer.
 
2013-08-17 12:21:20 AM  
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2013-08-17 12:22:09 AM  
Highly religious people with AIDS who are gullible enough to be tricked out of taking life saving drugs in order to put their god to a "foolish test"? Gullible enough not to realize that maybe their god had provided doctors, scientists and lifesaving drugs for them?  That can work itself out.
 
2013-08-17 12:24:35 AM  

doglover: If God created everything, that would include the doctors who made the triple cocktail and the next gen of treatments as well. So praise Him by listening to your doctor.


That means that he also created the AIDS virus, so praise him whenever someone dies because of it.
 
2013-08-17 12:26:03 AM  

doglover: If God created everything, that would include the doctors who made the triple cocktail and the next gen of treatments as well. So praise Him by listening to your doctor.


^QFT

God gave us the raw materials and intelligence to assemble them. To strive for otherwise is close to blasphemy.
 
2013-08-17 12:26:10 AM  
If they're dumb enough to do it, no loss that I can see.
 
2013-08-17 12:28:24 AM  

cchris_39: doglover: If God created everything, that would include the doctors who made the triple cocktail and the next gen of treatments as well. So praise Him by listening to your doctor.

^QFT

God gave us the raw materials and intelligence to assemble them. To strive for otherwise is close to blasphemy.


And lest we forget - God also gave those people HIV.

Conclusion: God is a confused coont.
 
2013-08-17 12:28:29 AM  
Shiat like this is what makes me say religious believers are crazy. Some will say, "Oh, that's just individual believers; that doesn't prove anything about x religion," overlooking the fact that there isn't any belief aside from one in an omnipotent deity you could substitute that would lead one to make the same claims about miracle cures.
 
2013-08-17 12:31:08 AM  

cchris_39: doglover: If God created everything, that would include the doctors who made the triple cocktail and the next gen of treatments as well. So praise Him by listening to your doctor.

^QFT

God gave us the raw materials and intelligence to assemble them. To strive for otherwise is close to blasphemy.


Care to prove that this supposed god of yours is real before you start giving it credit for creating the world and all that?  Oh yeah, real proof that can be scientifically verified, none of that "the bible proves he is real" crap.
 
2013-08-17 12:31:36 AM  
I'm reminded of a story:  I saw a crippled man struggle to the front of the church, dragging himself along  on his crutches.  The pastor said "Drink this water and be  healed, brother."  The man took a drink.  "Now throw down your right crutch."  The man threw down his right crutch.  "Now take another drink of this holy water and throw down your left crutch, brother" the pastor said.  The man drank and threw down his left crutch.  Then he fell flat on his ass because he was a cripple.

Religious folks should stick to their field of expertise, like molesting boys and stay away from the practice of medicine.
 
2013-08-17 12:31:51 AM  
Not much?
 
2013-08-17 12:35:34 AM  

I. R. Rottweiler: If they're dumb enough to do it, no loss that I can see.


Ayup. Adults should be free to attempt whatever brain dead stuff they want. It's when they end up killing their kids that I have a problem.

Others were breastfeeding mothers with HIV who refused the medicine that would stop the virus being passed onto their babies

Those people need to have their children taken away so they only kill themselves.
 
2013-08-17 12:38:10 AM  
When all you have is a hammer every problem starts to look like a nail.  The only answer they have is God because they don't have facts to rely upon to make a reasonable determination for themselves.  Faith is too often a crutch for those who wish to remain ignorant but still prefer to see themselves as better than or more holy than others around them.  When people talk about the harm that religion does this is the kind of thing they are talking about.  Allowing completely ignorant people to give obviously harmful advice under the guise of authority supplied by a supreme all knowing being for which there is zero actual proof but in whom the giver of the advice is completely convinced of his existence just seems like the cruelest and most horrific of tricks to play on someone who is facing a deadly disease and is looking for help.

I hope they get better.
 
2013-08-17 12:44:47 AM  

GungFu: cchris_39: doglover: If God created everything, that would include the doctors who made the triple cocktail and the next gen of treatments as well. So praise Him by listening to your doctor.

^QFT

God gave us the raw materials and intelligence to assemble them. To strive for otherwise is close to blasphemy.

And lest we forget - God also gave those people HIV.

Conclusion: God is a confused coont.


No. Bad behavior that God warned against is probably what gave them HIV.

And if my million beers and cigarettes and staying 20 pounds overweight takes me down then that's my bad behavior too. So no judgement. We make our choices.

We rarely treat our bodies like the temples He gave us and we tend to suffer accordingly.

Thanks for His grace of medicine, and a miracle here and there.
 
2013-08-17 12:52:34 AM  

cchris_39: GungFu: cchris_39: doglover: If God created everything, that would include the doctors who made the triple cocktail and the next gen of treatments as well. So praise Him by listening to your doctor.

^QFT

God gave us the raw materials and intelligence to assemble them. To strive for otherwise is close to blasphemy.

And lest we forget - God also gave those people HIV.

Conclusion: God is a confused coont.

No. Bad behavior that God warned against is probably what gave them HIV.

And if my million beers and cigarettes and staying 20 pounds overweight takes me down then that's my bad behavior too. So no judgement. We make our choices.

We rarely treat our bodies like the temples He gave us and we tend to suffer accordingly.

Thanks for His grace of medicine, and a miracle here and there.



As usual, none of the bad stuff is on Him, but all of the good stuff is. It's very convenient. It's almost as if someone made the whole thing up.
 
2013-08-17 12:54:24 AM  

cchris_39: GungFu: cchris_39: doglover: If God created everything, that would include the doctors who made the triple cocktail and the next gen of treatments as well. So praise Him by listening to your doctor.

^QFT

God gave us the raw materials and intelligence to assemble them. To strive for otherwise is close to blasphemy.

And lest we forget - God also gave those people HIV.

Conclusion: God is a confused coont.

No. Bad behavior that God warned against is probably what gave them HIV.

And if my million beers and cigarettes and staying 20 pounds overweight takes me down then that's my bad behavior too. So no judgement. We make our choices.

We rarely treat our bodies like the temples He gave us and we tend to suffer accordingly.

Thanks for His grace of medicine, and a miracle here and there.



HIV isn't something that occured by 'choice'. Thus, it can be said that it was made by God.

He created HIV. He's a coont.

/Most likely sucks cocks and does anal with Fallen Angel prossies.
 
2013-08-17 12:57:15 AM  
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2013-08-17 01:02:36 AM  
I'd think all you anti-religion Farkers would applaud this. They'll kill off the next generation of believers and then the world will be rid of them.
 
2013-08-17 01:07:58 AM  

GungFu: And lest we forget - God also gave those people HIV.

Conclusion: God is a confused coont.



They shouldn't have broken the 11-15th commandments.
 
2013-08-17 01:08:26 AM  
My freshman roommate was Pentecostal. She "spoke in tongues" while I was trying to sleep.

/CSB
 
2013-08-17 01:10:32 AM  
A local pastor of one of those non-denominational churches that only have 50 members and who will be the only 50 people in Heaven because in over 2000 years they are the only people who have gotten Christianity  right, dammit, told every member who was on Coumadin, a blood thinner, to stop it immediately as it was really rat poison and the doctors were trying to kill them.

I don't understand why this isn't reckless endangerment at least.
 
2013-08-17 01:20:44 AM  

cchris_39: GungFu: cchris_39: doglover: If God created everything, that would include the doctors who made the triple cocktail and the next gen of treatments as well. So praise Him by listening to your doctor.

^QFT

God gave us the raw materials and intelligence to assemble them. To strive for otherwise is close to blasphemy.

And lest we forget - God also gave those people HIV.

Conclusion: God is a confused coont.

No. Bad behavior that God warned against is probably what gave them HIV.

And if my million beers and cigarettes and staying 20 pounds overweight takes me down then that's my bad behavior too. So no judgement. We make our choices.

We rarely treat our bodies like the temples He gave us and we tend to suffer accordingly.

Thanks for His grace of medicine, and a miracle here and there.


10/10 going to get lots of bites on this one.

World wide more people are HIV + becouse they were raped then any other reason
 
2013-08-17 01:21:43 AM  
Everything. All the time.
 
2013-08-17 01:23:41 AM  
1. Pastors tell church members with AIDS to stop taking medication and rely on God.

2. Cases of AIDS among church members noticably falls.

It makes sense, kind of.
 
2013-08-17 01:25:05 AM  

Mytch: 1. Pastors tell church members with AIDS to stop taking medication and rely on God.

2. Cases of AIDS among church members noticably falls.

It makes sense, kind of.



Takes about 6-8 months....
 
2013-08-17 01:27:51 AM  

fusillade762: I. R. Rottweiler: If they're dumb enough to do it, no loss that I can see.

Ayup. Adults should be free to attempt whatever brain dead stuff they want. It's when they end up killing their kids that I have a problem.

Others were breastfeeding mothers with HIV who refused the medicine that would stop the virus being passed onto their babies

Those people need to have their children taken away so they only kill themselves.


Why the fark would an HIV positive mother breastfeed????? Especially without taking the antiretrovirals. I mean Jesus f*ck what do you think is going to happen?

Isn't miracle enough that the baby can often be born clean? Why press the issue with your deity---you're just begging for a smiting.
 
2013-08-17 01:36:21 AM  
Holy hell that's scary. I don't get the whole eschewing modern medical care thing. I get giving your
problems over to God. I get that. But if you believe that God created Man and therefore any
aptitude we display (e.g. for medicine) is God-given, then wouldn't taking a sick person to be treated
by a doctor be the same thing?
 
2013-08-17 01:41:44 AM  
 
2013-08-17 02:00:38 AM  

digitalrain: Holy hell that's scary. I don't get the whole eschewing modern medical care thing. I get giving your
problems over to God. I get that. But if you believe that God created Man and therefore any
aptitude we display (e.g. for medicine) is God-given, then wouldn't taking a sick person to be treated
by a doctor be the same thing?


Honest answer as a philosopher with some but not much familiarity with the Christian doctorine?

God created the angels without free will. They obey him perfectly as that is their nature. God created man and gave him free will. (In the Koran he also did this for the djinn) So man has he capacity to turn away from the path God sets before him, unlike the angel. So while medical science might be able to save your life, saving your life may be contrary to God's will. By extending your life with the artifice of man, it's possible that you're sinning by failing to accept your own mortality.

Of course, there's about a million arguments against that from the Bible itself, not to mention ontological and ethical considerations. Healing the sick is one of the most common miracles claimed in every branch from traditional Roman Catholicism to Branch Davidian style cults. And there's so much in the Bible about working hard, helping others, etc that I can't think of another argument besides the idea that serious illness is God's way of calling his favorites home early that would keep someone from trusting their doctors.

That is in sharp contrast to some other religions where gods aren't supposed to me omniscient or omnipotent. Buddhism, for example, strives to an ideal where a monk will become so at peace with the true nature of things that death is as nothing. But the three treasures of Buddhism are the Buddha, the teachings, and the community. The community has laypeople who need help to deal with this imperfect world, so the Buddhist monks were traditionally healers and never shied away from new scientific discoveries or information.
 
2013-08-17 02:27:48 AM  

doglover: digitalrain: Holy hell that's scary. I don't get the whole eschewing modern medical care thing. I get giving your
problems over to God. I get that. But if you believe that God created Man and therefore any
aptitude we display (e.g. for medicine) is God-given, then wouldn't taking a sick person to be treated
by a doctor be the same thing?

Honest answer as a philosopher with some but not much familiarity with the Christian doctorine?

God created the angels without free will. They obey him perfectly as that is their nature. God created man and gave him free will. (In the Koran he also did this for the djinn) So man has he capacity to turn away from the path God sets before him, unlike the angel. So while medical science might be able to save your life, saving your life may be contrary to God's will. By extending your life with the artifice of man, it's possible that you're sinning by failing to accept your own mortality.

Of course, there's about a million arguments against that from the Bible itself, not to mention ontological and ethical considerations. Healing the sick is one of the most common miracles claimed in every branch from traditional Roman Catholicism to Branch Davidian style cults. And there's so much in the Bible about working hard, helping others, etc that I can't think of another argument besides the idea that serious illness is God's way of calling his favorites home early that would keep someone from trusting their doctors.

That is in sharp contrast to some other religions where gods aren't supposed to me omniscient or omnipotent. Buddhism, for example, strives to an ideal where a monk will become so at peace with the true nature of things that death is as nothing. But the three treasures of Buddhism are the Buddha, the teachings, and the community. The community has laypeople who need help to deal with this imperfect world, so the Buddhist monks were traditionally healers and never shied away from new scientific discoveries or information.


Please stop farking that dog.  You're red in the face.  Do some theological research before you wax philosophical upon us.
 
2013-08-17 02:27:52 AM  
Pentecostals are the dregs of Christianity. EVERY claim they make is false EVERY  Scriptural reference they make is in error, There are very good reasons why the mainstream churches want nothing to do with them.
 
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