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(NJ.com)   Gov. Christie conditionally vetoes kids medical marijuana bill, presumably under the 'more for me' doctrine   (nj.com) divider line 22
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2013-08-16 05:09:40 PM  
4 votes:

WhoIsWillo: ikanreed: GOP: killing kids for outdated morality.

Christie vetoed the bill to make a couple minor changes to the law, and then he will sign it. One of the requirements was to modify it so kids can only get the edible form, which isn't the most unreasonable of objections.


Edibles are harder to dose dose right (easier to take too much) and can take hours to take affect. On top of that, one of the most common uses for MJ is to treat nausea and vomiting, which is hard to do when you have to eat the medicine and wait for it to be digested.
2013-08-16 05:08:24 PM  
4 votes:

Carth: Now that marijuana can be considered medically necessary can apartments, hotels etc keep you from smoking in your room? If you have a disability that requires you to smoke medication can they discriminate against you?


Couple of things here -- marijuana is still classified as a Schedule 1 narcotic so doctors cannot prescribe it, they can only recommend it. Secondly I would imagine any cigarette smoking bans would also apply to marijuana smoking. Third, smoking marijuana is one of many ways to ingest it, so smoking isn't necessarily required for patients to take their medication.
2013-08-16 05:12:59 PM  
3 votes:

Karma Chameleon: He said he also feared any easing of the rules that would enable people to abuse the drug for recreational purposes.

Because that never happens now.


I'll drink to that
thankheavenforbeer.com

/doesn't actually drink
2013-08-16 04:58:14 PM  
3 votes:
I don't agree with everything he says, and I think he has the propensity to be a colossal asshole when the need isn't entirely there, but I agree with him on this.

He's probably the best bet the republican party has of winning a presidential election, but the cons aren't going to allow him in, so...
2013-08-16 04:54:15 PM  
3 votes:

ikanreed: GOP: killing kids for outdated morality.


Christie vetoed the bill to make a couple minor changes to the law, and then he will sign it. One of the requirements was to modify it so kids can only get the edible form, which isn't the most unreasonable of objections.
2013-08-16 04:49:08 PM  
3 votes:
GOP: killing kids for outdated morality.
2013-08-16 05:30:45 PM  
2 votes:

ikanreed: Not really, if you're approving it for treatment, you want to actually have predictable, medically documented effects.


Then you pass rules like 'all product sold must be labeled with the THC level, within set tolerances'.  'No more than 3 strains' doesn't really improve predictability, because the 3 different strains don't have to be shared between clinics, and only offering 3 means that they're likely to be pretty far apart.

For example, the stuff being given to the child is specifically a low THC level plant, with a different chemical being in far larger proportion, and is being administered in oil form, not being smoked.
2013-08-16 04:51:53 PM  
2 votes:
Christie agreed to allow production of ingestible forms of pot at state-approved dispensaries and to allow dispensaries to grow more than three strains of the drug.

They have the weirdest farking rules with all these new mmj laws, each state has their own idiotic rules and restrictions, that seem to come out of nowhere.
2013-08-17 12:55:47 AM  
1 votes:

Vlad_the_Inaner: Kind of what John McAfee said about bath salts.


If you're stupid enough to get high on Mephedrone or any of the other substituted cathinones, you deserve the beat down you get from the cop who finds you eating someone's face off.
2013-08-16 10:53:35 PM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: Vaporizing or Nebulizing THC


Problem is that drugs, like Albuterol, are manufactured to FDA standards. An illegal substance, even suggested by a doctor, is not regulated to the same standards of concentration or purity. This grey zone would be a libertarian paradise, where, if they mark the wrong concentration, your corpse gets to sue.
Of course, legalizing and regulating would be the best scenario. You could split it off to recreational and medicinal.
Problem then would be that 'supplements' are not FDA regulated either.
IDK what the heck I'm talking about.
I foresee more than a few problems.

/gonna go find a snack and hit the bed
//I swear I don't drink or do drugs
2013-08-16 08:19:31 PM  
1 votes:

Zul the Magnificent: Ow! That was my feelings!: We are winning without making a devil's bargain with the tobacco corporations. Almost half the states now have MMJ laws. Two have voted legalization, many more will follow. We don't need to whore out to Philip Morris and RJ Reynolds to get legal Cannabis. Patience.

Ow! speaks Truth.  And Wisdom.  Listen to Ow!


Dear god I hope he's right.  My nuts and microwave stand ready.
2013-08-16 06:35:23 PM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: Lsherm: ShawnDoc: Edibles are harder to dose dose right

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Imagine that. Dosing through the enterogastric route might be unreliable and difficult in patients who  can't hold food down!

Come on, you're trolling, right?

/vaporization or suppository, or suckers.


Tinctures.
2013-08-16 06:29:23 PM  
1 votes:

Tellingthem: TuteTibiImperes: ikanreed: Headso: Christie agreed to allow production of ingestible forms of pot at state-approved dispensaries and to allow dispensaries to grow more than three strains of the drug.

They have the weirdest farking rules with all these new mmj laws, each state has their own idiotic rules and restrictions, that seem to come out of nowhere.

Not really, if you're approving it for treatment, you want to actually have predictable, medically documented effects.  Just going "whatever, have some pot" is not the point of medical marijuana. Just plain legalizing it would be better, but that's not what they're doing, and they shouldn't act like it.

I've thought about the incredibly varied medical marijuana laws in various states, from CA where pretty much anyone can just get a card for whatever reason to places where it's strictly controlled and real doctors have to be on board with a small list of medically acceptable uses.

On one hand I like CA's approach because it makes it only a split hair away from legal for recreational purposes, but at the same time I wonder if the easy access through the medical program in CA was one of the reasons the state's vote to legalize for recreational purposes failed.  I know a lot of the growers and dispensaries were worried about corporate interests taking over if it were made fully legal, but it seems that those who would want to use it recreationally could have easily outvoted them.  However, if those wanting to use it recreationally already have medical MJ cards, they might not have been as motivated to go out and vote it in as fully legal.

I'm all for introducing corporate interests into marijuana. If you want to make it legal they are your best avenue. Imagine the millions they could throw at voter campaigns and supporting political parties. If you want weed legal get big tobacco behind it and it will come sooner rather than later. You can continue to grow your boutique strains while they mass produce the regular s ...


I strongly disagree with this.

We are winning without making a devil's bargain with the tobacco corporations. Almost half the states now have MMJ laws. Two have voted legalization, many more will follow. We don't need to whore out to Philip Morris and RJ Reynolds to get legal Cannabis. Patience.
2013-08-16 06:20:38 PM  
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: ikanreed: Headso: Christie agreed to allow production of ingestible forms of pot at state-approved dispensaries and to allow dispensaries to grow more than three strains of the drug.

They have the weirdest farking rules with all these new mmj laws, each state has their own idiotic rules and restrictions, that seem to come out of nowhere.

Not really, if you're approving it for treatment, you want to actually have predictable, medically documented effects.  Just going "whatever, have some pot" is not the point of medical marijuana. Just plain legalizing it would be better, but that's not what they're doing, and they shouldn't act like it.

I've thought about the incredibly varied medical marijuana laws in various states, from CA where pretty much anyone can just get a card for whatever reason to places where it's strictly controlled and real doctors have to be on board with a small list of medically acceptable uses.

On one hand I like CA's approach because it makes it only a split hair away from legal for recreational purposes, but at the same time I wonder if the easy access through the medical program in CA was one of the reasons the state's vote to legalize for recreational purposes failed.  I know a lot of the growers and dispensaries were worried about corporate interests taking over if it were made fully legal, but it seems that those who would want to use it recreationally could have easily outvoted them.  However, if those wanting to use it recreationally already have medical MJ cards, they might not have been as motivated to go out and vote it in as fully legal.


I'm all for introducing corporate interests into marijuana. If you want to make it legal they are your best avenue. Imagine the millions they could throw at voter campaigns and supporting political parties. If you want weed legal get big tobacco behind it and it will come sooner rather than later. You can continue to grow your boutique strains while they mass produce the regular stuff.
2013-08-16 05:47:58 PM  
1 votes:

ShawnDoc: WhoIsWillo: ikanreed: GOP: killing kids for outdated morality.

Christie vetoed the bill to make a couple minor changes to the law, and then he will sign it. One of the requirements was to modify it so kids can only get the edible form, which isn't the most unreasonable of objections.

Edibles are harder to dose dose right (easier to take too much) and can take hours to take affect. On top of that, one of the most common uses for MJ is to treat nausea and vomiting, which is hard to do when you have to eat the medicine and wait for it to be digested.


IIRC from a story about another kid who used medical marijuana to treat seizures, the parents used an oil infused with the extract to give to the kid, which makes it likely they could control the dose better than cooking brownies with it or something, and also saves the kid from having to inhale smoke.
2013-08-16 05:19:09 PM  
1 votes:

Karma Chameleon: He said he also feared any easing of the rules that would enable people to abuse the drug for recreational purposes.

Because that never happens now.


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2013-08-16 05:10:23 PM  
1 votes:
He said he also feared any easing of the rules that would enable people to abuse the drug for recreational purposes.

Because that never happens now.
2013-08-16 05:07:59 PM  
1 votes:

Carth: Now that marijuana can be considered medically necessary can apartments, hotels etc keep you from smoking in your room? If you have a disability that requires you to smoke medication can they discriminate against you?


Good question. There are already non-smoking rooms. Maybe they will have to designate a certain percentage pot allowed rooms.
Of course, we reserve the right not to serve anyone for any reason.
2013-08-16 05:07:01 PM  
1 votes:

ikanreed: Headso: Christie agreed to allow production of ingestible forms of pot at state-approved dispensaries and to allow dispensaries to grow more than three strains of the drug.

They have the weirdest farking rules with all these new mmj laws, each state has their own idiotic rules and restrictions, that seem to come out of nowhere.

Not really, if you're approving it for treatment, you want to actually have predictable, medically documented effects.  Just going "whatever, have some pot" is not the point of medical marijuana. Just plain legalizing it would be better, but that's not what they're doing, and they shouldn't act like it.


it seemed that up until now the rules stated dispensaries could only grow 3 strains of pot, that's odd. Not really sure what your response has to do with that either.
2013-08-16 05:01:43 PM  
1 votes:

Ow! That was my feelings!: If Christie is gonna sell out to the Repub base to help him in 2016, you'd think he'd pick guns not pot. Makes no farking sense.


Why not both?

Christie signs 10 gun bills
2013-08-16 05:00:14 PM  
1 votes:

ikanreed: Headso: Christie agreed to allow production of ingestible forms of pot at state-approved dispensaries and to allow dispensaries to grow more than three strains of the drug.

They have the weirdest farking rules with all these new mmj laws, each state has their own idiotic rules and restrictions, that seem to come out of nowhere.

Not really, if you're approving it for treatment, you want to actually have predictable, medically documented effects.  Just going "whatever, have some pot" is not the point of medical marijuana. Just plain legalizing it would be better, but that's not what they're doing, and they shouldn't act like it.


No, it makes sense, even from the perspective you were trying to take. If you standardize production you can ingest it predictably, like, I dunno... a pill!
2013-08-16 04:56:19 PM  
1 votes:

Headso: Christie agreed to allow production of ingestible forms of pot at state-approved dispensaries and to allow dispensaries to grow more than three strains of the drug.

They have the weirdest farking rules with all these new mmj laws, each state has their own idiotic rules and restrictions, that seem to come out of nowhere.


Not really, if you're approving it for treatment, you want to actually have predictable, medically documented effects.  Just going "whatever, have some pot" is not the point of medical marijuana. Just plain legalizing it would be better, but that's not what they're doing, and they shouldn't act like it.
 
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