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2013-08-16 04:49:08 PM
GOP: killing kids for outdated morality.
 
2013-08-16 04:51:53 PM
Christie agreed to allow production of ingestible forms of pot at state-approved dispensaries and to allow dispensaries to grow more than three strains of the drug.

They have the weirdest farking rules with all these new mmj laws, each state has their own idiotic rules and restrictions, that seem to come out of nowhere.
 
2013-08-16 04:54:15 PM

ikanreed: GOP: killing kids for outdated morality.


Christie vetoed the bill to make a couple minor changes to the law, and then he will sign it. One of the requirements was to modify it so kids can only get the edible form, which isn't the most unreasonable of objections.
 
2013-08-16 04:56:19 PM

Headso: Christie agreed to allow production of ingestible forms of pot at state-approved dispensaries and to allow dispensaries to grow more than three strains of the drug.

They have the weirdest farking rules with all these new mmj laws, each state has their own idiotic rules and restrictions, that seem to come out of nowhere.


Not really, if you're approving it for treatment, you want to actually have predictable, medically documented effects.  Just going "whatever, have some pot" is not the point of medical marijuana. Just plain legalizing it would be better, but that's not what they're doing, and they shouldn't act like it.
 
2013-08-16 04:57:59 PM
If Christie is gonna sell out to the Repub base to help him in 2016, you'd think he'd pick guns not pot. Makes no farking sense.
 
2013-08-16 04:58:14 PM
I don't agree with everything he says, and I think he has the propensity to be a colossal asshole when the need isn't entirely there, but I agree with him on this.

He's probably the best bet the republican party has of winning a presidential election, but the cons aren't going to allow him in, so...
 
2013-08-16 05:00:14 PM

ikanreed: Headso: Christie agreed to allow production of ingestible forms of pot at state-approved dispensaries and to allow dispensaries to grow more than three strains of the drug.

They have the weirdest farking rules with all these new mmj laws, each state has their own idiotic rules and restrictions, that seem to come out of nowhere.

Not really, if you're approving it for treatment, you want to actually have predictable, medically documented effects.  Just going "whatever, have some pot" is not the point of medical marijuana. Just plain legalizing it would be better, but that's not what they're doing, and they shouldn't act like it.


No, it makes sense, even from the perspective you were trying to take. If you standardize production you can ingest it predictably, like, I dunno... a pill!
 
2013-08-16 05:01:43 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: If Christie is gonna sell out to the Repub base to help him in 2016, you'd think he'd pick guns not pot. Makes no farking sense.


Why not both?

Christie signs 10 gun bills
 
2013-08-16 05:03:12 PM
Now that marijuana can be considered medically necessary can apartments, hotels etc keep you from smoking in your room? If you have a disability that requires you to smoke medication can they discriminate against you?
 
2013-08-16 05:03:37 PM
STOP WEED SMOKING
 
2013-08-16 05:07:01 PM

ikanreed: Headso: Christie agreed to allow production of ingestible forms of pot at state-approved dispensaries and to allow dispensaries to grow more than three strains of the drug.

They have the weirdest farking rules with all these new mmj laws, each state has their own idiotic rules and restrictions, that seem to come out of nowhere.

Not really, if you're approving it for treatment, you want to actually have predictable, medically documented effects.  Just going "whatever, have some pot" is not the point of medical marijuana. Just plain legalizing it would be better, but that's not what they're doing, and they shouldn't act like it.


it seemed that up until now the rules stated dispensaries could only grow 3 strains of pot, that's odd. Not really sure what your response has to do with that either.
 
2013-08-16 05:07:49 PM
Reading comprehension: not yours, subtard.
 
2013-08-16 05:07:59 PM

Carth: Now that marijuana can be considered medically necessary can apartments, hotels etc keep you from smoking in your room? If you have a disability that requires you to smoke medication can they discriminate against you?


Good question. There are already non-smoking rooms. Maybe they will have to designate a certain percentage pot allowed rooms.
Of course, we reserve the right not to serve anyone for any reason.
 
2013-08-16 05:08:24 PM

Carth: Now that marijuana can be considered medically necessary can apartments, hotels etc keep you from smoking in your room? If you have a disability that requires you to smoke medication can they discriminate against you?


Couple of things here -- marijuana is still classified as a Schedule 1 narcotic so doctors cannot prescribe it, they can only recommend it. Secondly I would imagine any cigarette smoking bans would also apply to marijuana smoking. Third, smoking marijuana is one of many ways to ingest it, so smoking isn't necessarily required for patients to take their medication.
 
2013-08-16 05:08:50 PM

Witty_Retort: Ow! That was my feelings!: If Christie is gonna sell out to the Repub base to help him in 2016, you'd think he'd pick guns not pot. Makes no farking sense.

Why not both?

Christie signs 10 gun bills


and he still hasn't moved on the 'controversial' ones. He has no chance to win the Repub Nom if he signs them, making a "conservative" stand on Cannabis pointless.
 
2013-08-16 05:09:40 PM

WhoIsWillo: ikanreed: GOP: killing kids for outdated morality.

Christie vetoed the bill to make a couple minor changes to the law, and then he will sign it. One of the requirements was to modify it so kids can only get the edible form, which isn't the most unreasonable of objections.


Edibles are harder to dose dose right (easier to take too much) and can take hours to take affect. On top of that, one of the most common uses for MJ is to treat nausea and vomiting, which is hard to do when you have to eat the medicine and wait for it to be digested.
 
2013-08-16 05:10:23 PM
He said he also feared any easing of the rules that would enable people to abuse the drug for recreational purposes.

Because that never happens now.
 
2013-08-16 05:12:59 PM

Karma Chameleon: He said he also feared any easing of the rules that would enable people to abuse the drug for recreational purposes.

Because that never happens now.


I'll drink to that
thankheavenforbeer.com

/doesn't actually drink
 
2013-08-16 05:19:09 PM

Karma Chameleon: He said he also feared any easing of the rules that would enable people to abuse the drug for recreational purposes.

Because that never happens now.


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2013-08-16 05:30:45 PM

ikanreed: Not really, if you're approving it for treatment, you want to actually have predictable, medically documented effects.


Then you pass rules like 'all product sold must be labeled with the THC level, within set tolerances'.  'No more than 3 strains' doesn't really improve predictability, because the 3 different strains don't have to be shared between clinics, and only offering 3 means that they're likely to be pretty far apart.

For example, the stuff being given to the child is specifically a low THC level plant, with a different chemical being in far larger proportion, and is being administered in oil form, not being smoked.
 
2013-08-16 05:36:52 PM
Those public defenders can't fund themselves.
 
2013-08-16 05:40:38 PM
he was not comfortable allowing children to consume the drug without more evidence it won't cause harm.

You are not a doctor.

fark your opinion.

He said he also feared any easing of the rules that would enable people to abuse the drug for recreational purposes.

Jesus Christ. God forbid.
 
2013-08-16 05:44:48 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Carth: Now that marijuana can be considered medically necessary can apartments, hotels etc keep you from smoking in your room? If you have a disability that requires you to smoke medication can they discriminate against you?

Couple of things here -- marijuana is still classified as a Schedule 1 narcotic so doctors cannot prescribe it, they can only recommend it. Secondly I would imagine any cigarette smoking bans would also apply to marijuana smoking. Third, smoking marijuana is one of many ways to ingest it, so smoking isn't necessarily required for patients to take their medication.


Thanks I wasn't sure how it would work. I know almost all hotel rooms will bring you a refrigerator free if your medication requires it and guide dogs can't be kept out even if there is a no animal policy. I wasn't sure if medical marijuana would get the same treatment despite the fact it could annoy other patrons.
 
2013-08-16 05:47:46 PM

ShawnDoc: Edibles are harder to dose dose right


That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
 
2013-08-16 05:47:58 PM

ShawnDoc: WhoIsWillo: ikanreed: GOP: killing kids for outdated morality.

Christie vetoed the bill to make a couple minor changes to the law, and then he will sign it. One of the requirements was to modify it so kids can only get the edible form, which isn't the most unreasonable of objections.

Edibles are harder to dose dose right (easier to take too much) and can take hours to take affect. On top of that, one of the most common uses for MJ is to treat nausea and vomiting, which is hard to do when you have to eat the medicine and wait for it to be digested.


IIRC from a story about another kid who used medical marijuana to treat seizures, the parents used an oil infused with the extract to give to the kid, which makes it likely they could control the dose better than cooking brownies with it or something, and also saves the kid from having to inhale smoke.
 
2013-08-16 05:49:38 PM

Carth: Dusk-You-n-Me: Carth: Now that marijuana can be considered medically necessary can apartments, hotels etc keep you from smoking in your room? If you have a disability that requires you to smoke medication can they discriminate against you?

Couple of things here -- marijuana is still classified as a Schedule 1 narcotic so doctors cannot prescribe it, they can only recommend it. Secondly I would imagine any cigarette smoking bans would also apply to marijuana smoking. Third, smoking marijuana is one of many ways to ingest it, so smoking isn't necessarily required for patients to take their medication.

Thanks I wasn't sure how it would work. I know almost all hotel rooms will bring you a refrigerator free if your medication requires it and guide dogs can't be kept out even if there is a no animal policy. I wasn't sure if medical marijuana would get the same treatment despite the fact it could annoy other patrons.


Patients could use edibles, and I've seen vaporizers on TV that look like they come with a big plastic bag that collects all of the vapor, allowing the user to just suck the THC vapor out of the bag without much of any escaping into the room.
 
2013-08-16 05:49:58 PM

WhoIsWillo: ikanreed: GOP: killing kids for outdated morality.

Christie vetoed the bill to make a couple minor changes to the law, and then he will sign it. One of the requirements was to modify it so kids can only get the edible form, which isn't the most unreasonable of objections.


As humorous as this is to me, I'm going to have to agree: Leave the GOPer alone, he's not being stupid.
 
2013-08-16 05:51:54 PM

Lsherm: That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.


What the f*ck do you know? Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go light up a tylenol liquigel because I don't trust the pill to properly dose me.
 
2013-08-16 05:54:19 PM

ikanreed: Headso: Christie agreed to allow production of ingestible forms of pot at state-approved dispensaries and to allow dispensaries to grow more than three strains of the drug.

They have the weirdest farking rules with all these new mmj laws, each state has their own idiotic rules and restrictions, that seem to come out of nowhere.

Not really, if you're approving it for treatment, you want to actually have predictable, medically documented effects.  Just going "whatever, have some pot" is not the point of medical marijuana. Just plain legalizing it would be better, but that's not what they're doing, and they shouldn't act like it.


I've thought about the incredibly varied medical marijuana laws in various states, from CA where pretty much anyone can just get a card for whatever reason to places where it's strictly controlled and real doctors have to be on board with a small list of medically acceptable uses.

On one hand I like CA's approach because it makes it only a split hair away from legal for recreational purposes, but at the same time I wonder if the easy access through the medical program in CA was one of the reasons the state's vote to legalize for recreational purposes failed.  I know a lot of the growers and dispensaries were worried about corporate interests taking over if it were made fully legal, but it seems that those who would want to use it recreationally could have easily outvoted them.  However, if those wanting to use it recreationally already have medical MJ cards, they might not have been as motivated to go out and vote it in as fully legal.
 
2013-08-16 06:03:16 PM

TuteTibiImperes: ikanreed: Headso: Christie agreed to allow production of ingestible forms of pot at state-approved dispensaries and to allow dispensaries to grow more than three strains of the drug.

They have the weirdest farking rules with all these new mmj laws, each state has their own idiotic rules and restrictions, that seem to come out of nowhere.

Not really, if you're approving it for treatment, you want to actually have predictable, medically documented effects.  Just going "whatever, have some pot" is not the point of medical marijuana. Just plain legalizing it would be better, but that's not what they're doing, and they shouldn't act like it.

I've thought about the incredibly varied medical marijuana laws in various states, from CA where pretty much anyone can just get a card for whatever reason to places where it's strictly controlled and real doctors have to be on board with a small list of medically acceptable uses.

On one hand I like CA's approach because it makes it only a split hair away from legal for recreational purposes, but at the same time I wonder if the easy access through the medical program in CA was one of the reasons the state's vote to legalize for recreational purposes failed.  I know a lot of the growers and dispensaries were worried about corporate interests taking over if it were made fully legal, but it seems that those who would want to use it recreationally could have easily outvoted them.  However, if those wanting to use it recreationally already have medical MJ cards, they might not have been as motivated to go out and vote it in as fully legal.


Damn Tute, you have to be the most concerned person on Fark. It didn't work that way in Colorado at all. Hell, we passed it with almost 55% of the vote.
 
2013-08-16 06:08:01 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: TuteTibiImperes: ikanreed: Headso: Christie agreed to allow production of ingestible forms of pot at state-approved dispensaries and to allow dispensaries to grow more than three strains of the drug.

They have the weirdest farking rules with all these new mmj laws, each state has their own idiotic rules and restrictions, that seem to come out of nowhere.

Not really, if you're approving it for treatment, you want to actually have predictable, medically documented effects.  Just going "whatever, have some pot" is not the point of medical marijuana. Just plain legalizing it would be better, but that's not what they're doing, and they shouldn't act like it.

I've thought about the incredibly varied medical marijuana laws in various states, from CA where pretty much anyone can just get a card for whatever reason to places where it's strictly controlled and real doctors have to be on board with a small list of medically acceptable uses.

On one hand I like CA's approach because it makes it only a split hair away from legal for recreational purposes, but at the same time I wonder if the easy access through the medical program in CA was one of the reasons the state's vote to legalize for recreational purposes failed.  I know a lot of the growers and dispensaries were worried about corporate interests taking over if it were made fully legal, but it seems that those who would want to use it recreationally could have easily outvoted them.  However, if those wanting to use it recreationally already have medical MJ cards, they might not have been as motivated to go out and vote it in as fully legal.

Damn Tute, you have to be the most concerned person on Fark. It didn't work that way in Colorado at all. Hell, we passed it with almost 55% of the vote.


I'm not familiar with the CO medical MJ rules before they legalized.  Was it was easy to obtain as it was in CA?  I just like looking at the issues from all the angles, oftentimes cause and effect aren't as clear cut as they look on the surface.
 
2013-08-16 06:09:53 PM
I still think he should put "P.S. GET THE HELL OFF THE BEACH" at the end of every piece of legislation.
 
2013-08-16 06:12:58 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Ow! That was my feelings!: TuteTibiImperes: ikanreed: Headso: Christie agreed to allow production of ingestible forms of pot at state-approved dispensaries and to allow dispensaries to grow more than three strains of the drug.

They have the weirdest farking rules with all these new mmj laws, each state has their own idiotic rules and restrictions, that seem to come out of nowhere.

Not really, if you're approving it for treatment, you want to actually have predictable, medically documented effects.  Just going "whatever, have some pot" is not the point of medical marijuana. Just plain legalizing it would be better, but that's not what they're doing, and they shouldn't act like it.

I've thought about the incredibly varied medical marijuana laws in various states, from CA where pretty much anyone can just get a card for whatever reason to places where it's strictly controlled and real doctors have to be on board with a small list of medically acceptable uses.

On one hand I like CA's approach because it makes it only a split hair away from legal for recreational purposes, but at the same time I wonder if the easy access through the medical program in CA was one of the reasons the state's vote to legalize for recreational purposes failed.  I know a lot of the growers and dispensaries were worried about corporate interests taking over if it were made fully legal, but it seems that those who would want to use it recreationally could have easily outvoted them.  However, if those wanting to use it recreationally already have medical MJ cards, they might not have been as motivated to go out and vote it in as fully legal.

Damn Tute, you have to be the most concerned person on Fark. It didn't work that way in Colorado at all. Hell, we passed it with almost 55% of the vote.

I'm not familiar with the CO medical MJ rules before they legalized.  Was it was easy to obtain as it was in CA?  I just like looking at the issues from all the angles, oftentimes cause and effect aren' ...


Yeah, probably easier. Legalization failed in Cali because the Prop was a mess, support was divided, and strong corporate (drug testing) opposition. We learned from their mistakes and just passed a 'simple' legalization bill that deferred the tough issues (dui, retail, etc) to the legislature.
 
2013-08-16 06:20:38 PM

TuteTibiImperes: ikanreed: Headso: Christie agreed to allow production of ingestible forms of pot at state-approved dispensaries and to allow dispensaries to grow more than three strains of the drug.

They have the weirdest farking rules with all these new mmj laws, each state has their own idiotic rules and restrictions, that seem to come out of nowhere.

Not really, if you're approving it for treatment, you want to actually have predictable, medically documented effects.  Just going "whatever, have some pot" is not the point of medical marijuana. Just plain legalizing it would be better, but that's not what they're doing, and they shouldn't act like it.

I've thought about the incredibly varied medical marijuana laws in various states, from CA where pretty much anyone can just get a card for whatever reason to places where it's strictly controlled and real doctors have to be on board with a small list of medically acceptable uses.

On one hand I like CA's approach because it makes it only a split hair away from legal for recreational purposes, but at the same time I wonder if the easy access through the medical program in CA was one of the reasons the state's vote to legalize for recreational purposes failed.  I know a lot of the growers and dispensaries were worried about corporate interests taking over if it were made fully legal, but it seems that those who would want to use it recreationally could have easily outvoted them.  However, if those wanting to use it recreationally already have medical MJ cards, they might not have been as motivated to go out and vote it in as fully legal.


I'm all for introducing corporate interests into marijuana. If you want to make it legal they are your best avenue. Imagine the millions they could throw at voter campaigns and supporting political parties. If you want weed legal get big tobacco behind it and it will come sooner rather than later. You can continue to grow your boutique strains while they mass produce the regular stuff.
 
2013-08-16 06:25:07 PM

Tellingthem: TuteTibiImperes: ikanreed: Headso: Christie agreed to allow production of ingestible forms of pot at state-approved dispensaries and to allow dispensaries to grow more than three strains of the drug.

They have the weirdest farking rules with all these new mmj laws, each state has their own idiotic rules and restrictions, that seem to come out of nowhere.

Not really, if you're approving it for treatment, you want to actually have predictable, medically documented effects.  Just going "whatever, have some pot" is not the point of medical marijuana. Just plain legalizing it would be better, but that's not what they're doing, and they shouldn't act like it.

I've thought about the incredibly varied medical marijuana laws in various states, from CA where pretty much anyone can just get a card for whatever reason to places where it's strictly controlled and real doctors have to be on board with a small list of medically acceptable uses.

On one hand I like CA's approach because it makes it only a split hair away from legal for recreational purposes, but at the same time I wonder if the easy access through the medical program in CA was one of the reasons the state's vote to legalize for recreational purposes failed.  I know a lot of the growers and dispensaries were worried about corporate interests taking over if it were made fully legal, but it seems that those who would want to use it recreationally could have easily outvoted them.  However, if those wanting to use it recreationally already have medical MJ cards, they might not have been as motivated to go out and vote it in as fully legal.

I'm all for introducing corporate interests into marijuana. If you want to make it legal they are your best avenue. Imagine the millions they could throw at voter campaigns and supporting political parties. If you want weed legal get big tobacco behind it and it will come sooner rather than later. You can continue to grow your boutique strains while they mass produce the regular s ...


Yeah, I'm all for it as well, I just kept hearing about how the established growers in CA were against it because they didn't want to be regulated or forced out by larger concerns.

If Ow's analysis is correct though hopefully CA learns from its mistakes and the next time it's introduced the bill is more palatable.  Having legal MJ in CA to the south and WA to the north would probably finally get OR onboard, and the more states that OK it the faster the rest will fall in line.
 
2013-08-16 06:29:23 PM

Tellingthem: TuteTibiImperes: ikanreed: Headso: Christie agreed to allow production of ingestible forms of pot at state-approved dispensaries and to allow dispensaries to grow more than three strains of the drug.

They have the weirdest farking rules with all these new mmj laws, each state has their own idiotic rules and restrictions, that seem to come out of nowhere.

Not really, if you're approving it for treatment, you want to actually have predictable, medically documented effects.  Just going "whatever, have some pot" is not the point of medical marijuana. Just plain legalizing it would be better, but that's not what they're doing, and they shouldn't act like it.

I've thought about the incredibly varied medical marijuana laws in various states, from CA where pretty much anyone can just get a card for whatever reason to places where it's strictly controlled and real doctors have to be on board with a small list of medically acceptable uses.

On one hand I like CA's approach because it makes it only a split hair away from legal for recreational purposes, but at the same time I wonder if the easy access through the medical program in CA was one of the reasons the state's vote to legalize for recreational purposes failed.  I know a lot of the growers and dispensaries were worried about corporate interests taking over if it were made fully legal, but it seems that those who would want to use it recreationally could have easily outvoted them.  However, if those wanting to use it recreationally already have medical MJ cards, they might not have been as motivated to go out and vote it in as fully legal.

I'm all for introducing corporate interests into marijuana. If you want to make it legal they are your best avenue. Imagine the millions they could throw at voter campaigns and supporting political parties. If you want weed legal get big tobacco behind it and it will come sooner rather than later. You can continue to grow your boutique strains while they mass produce the regular s ...


I strongly disagree with this.

We are winning without making a devil's bargain with the tobacco corporations. Almost half the states now have MMJ laws. Two have voted legalization, many more will follow. We don't need to whore out to Philip Morris and RJ Reynolds to get legal Cannabis. Patience.
 
2013-08-16 06:31:26 PM

Lsherm: ShawnDoc: Edibles are harder to dose dose right

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.


Imagine that. Dosing through the enterogastric route might be unreliable and difficult in patients who  can't hold food down!

Come on, you're trolling, right?

/vaporization or suppository, or suckers.
 
2013-08-16 06:34:53 PM
"I care about kids but that check from Big Pharma did clear, so...."
 
2013-08-16 06:35:23 PM

hardinparamedic: Lsherm: ShawnDoc: Edibles are harder to dose dose right

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Imagine that. Dosing through the enterogastric route might be unreliable and difficult in patients who  can't hold food down!

Come on, you're trolling, right?

/vaporization or suppository, or suckers.


Tinctures.
 
2013-08-16 06:37:34 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Tellingthem: TuteTibiImperes: ikanreed: Headso: Christie agreed to allow production of ingestible forms of pot at state-approved dispensaries and to allow dispensaries to grow more than three strains of the drug.

They have the weirdest farking rules with all these new mmj laws, each state has their own idiotic rules and restrictions, that seem to come out of nowhere.

Not really, if you're approving it for treatment, you want to actually have predictable, medically documented effects.  Just going "whatever, have some pot" is not the point of medical marijuana. Just plain legalizing it would be better, but that's not what they're doing, and they shouldn't act like it.

I've thought about the incredibly varied medical marijuana laws in various states, from CA where pretty much anyone can just get a card for whatever reason to places where it's strictly controlled and real doctors have to be on board with a small list of medically acceptable uses.

On one hand I like CA's approach because it makes it only a split hair away from legal for recreational purposes, but at the same time I wonder if the easy access through the medical program in CA was one of the reasons the state's vote to legalize for recreational purposes failed.  I know a lot of the growers and dispensaries were worried about corporate interests taking over if it were made fully legal, but it seems that those who would want to use it recreationally could have easily outvoted them.  However, if those wanting to use it recreationally already have medical MJ cards, they might not have been as motivated to go out and vote it in as fully legal.

I'm all for introducing corporate interests into marijuana. If you want to make it legal they are your best avenue. Imagine the millions they could throw at voter campaigns and supporting political parties. If you want weed legal get big tobacco behind it and it will come sooner rather than later. You can continue to grow your boutique strains while they mass produce ...


They are going to get in the market anyway. Do you really think that once a mass produced product is feasible they won't? Hell i'm sure right now half the places in California are dreaming about becoming franchises. Make millions off of selling weed just like some of these craft brewers have off of beer. Even Wal-Mart started off as a single store. The whole medical thing is a joke and we all know it. it is basically a step towards full legalization. Money and corporate interests will come. Either learn to deal with the devil now or deal with him later.
 
2013-08-16 06:38:44 PM
And things started out so well with him...
 
2013-08-16 06:41:08 PM
Subby: presumably under the 'more for me' doctrine

Geez, if there's one guy we don't need getting the munchies...
 
2013-08-16 06:45:02 PM

Tellingthem: Ow! That was my feelings!: Tellingthem: TuteTibiImperes: ikanreed: Headso: Christie agreed to allow production of ingestible forms of pot at state-approved dispensaries and to allow dispensaries to grow more than three strains of the drug.

They have the weirdest farking rules with all these new mmj laws, each state has their own idiotic rules and restrictions, that seem to come out of nowhere.

Not really, if you're approving it for treatment, you want to actually have predictable, medically documented effects.  Just going "whatever, have some pot" is not the point of medical marijuana. Just plain legalizing it would be better, but that's not what they're doing, and they shouldn't act like it.

I've thought about the incredibly varied medical marijuana laws in various states, from CA where pretty much anyone can just get a card for whatever reason to places where it's strictly controlled and real doctors have to be on board with a small list of medically acceptable uses.

On one hand I like CA's approach because it makes it only a split hair away from legal for recreational purposes, but at the same time I wonder if the easy access through the medical program in CA was one of the reasons the state's vote to legalize for recreational purposes failed.  I know a lot of the growers and dispensaries were worried about corporate interests taking over if it were made fully legal, but it seems that those who would want to use it recreationally could have easily outvoted them.  However, if those wanting to use it recreationally already have medical MJ cards, they might not have been as motivated to go out and vote it in as fully legal.

I'm all for introducing corporate interests into marijuana. If you want to make it legal they are your best avenue. Imagine the millions they could throw at voter campaigns and supporting political parties. If you want weed legal get big tobacco behind it and it will come sooner rather than later. You can continue to grow your boutique strai ...


Oh, I agree it is inevitable that corporate interests will get involved.....when it's rescheduled. I just strongly oppose any "compromise" that gives them a sweetheart, "exclusive", type deal we all know will get pushed. "xyz company is the only legal supplier of Cannabis in the state" type deals. It will happen, of course, but I'm opposed to selling out to that kinda crap, just to get it legal, when we obviously don't have too.
 
2013-08-16 06:46:57 PM
which a rare strain of marijuana in Colorado has helped reduce symptoms for in several dozen other sick children.

From the perspective of an individual person, yeah, OK, I guess I can understand looking for whatever help you can get when you've got an issue, without looking too hard at the actual facts.

From the perspective of a regulatory agency, though... 'several dozen improvements' is not a medical study, it's an  urban legend, and the idea that one strain of the same marijuana everyone smokes, which has only been cultivated into varietals in the last 40 years tops, has such wildly varying medical effects on users from other varietals is "somewhat dubious" if you're being nice and "complete and utter bullshiat" if you passed freshman biology*.

So you could say that I sympathize with the general idea the uneducated activists have in proposing the bill, but I'm not that upset about it getting delayed a bit, hopefully pending an actual study and not a 14-point Shakespherean witch's comedy break for its medical evidence.

*That is to say, not impossible, but close enough that you need real hard evidence and a mechanism for anyone to take it seriously.  In fairness there have been scientific bullshiat ideas that have eventually turned out to work.
 
2013-08-16 06:51:27 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Tellingthem: Ow! That was my feelings!: Tellingthem: TuteTibiImperes: ikanreed: Headso: Christie agreed to allow production of ingestible forms of pot at state-approved dispensaries and to allow dispensaries to grow more than three strains of the drug.

They have the weirdest farking rules with all these new mmj laws, each state has their own idiotic rules and restrictions, that seem to come out of nowhere.

Not really, if you're approving it for treatment, you want to actually have predictable, medically documented effects.  Just going "whatever, have some pot" is not the point of medical marijuana. Just plain legalizing it would be better, but that's not what they're doing, and they shouldn't act like it.

I've thought about the incredibly varied medical marijuana laws in various states, from CA where pretty much anyone can just get a card for whatever reason to places where it's strictly controlled and real doctors have to be on board with a small list of medically acceptable uses.

On one hand I like CA's approach because it makes it only a split hair away from legal for recreational purposes, but at the same time I wonder if the easy access through the medical program in CA was one of the reasons the state's vote to legalize for recreational purposes failed.  I know a lot of the growers and dispensaries were worried about corporate interests taking over if it were made fully legal, but it seems that those who would want to use it recreationally could have easily outvoted them.  However, if those wanting to use it recreationally already have medical MJ cards, they might not have been as motivated to go out and vote it in as fully legal.

I'm all for introducing corporate interests into marijuana. If you want to make it legal they are your best avenue. Imagine the millions they could throw at voter campaigns and supporting political parties. If you want weed legal get big tobacco behind it and it will come sooner rather than later. You can continue to grow your b ...


Take the tin foil hat off and put the bong down, nobody has that kind of deal.

The only thing stopping Malbrough Greens from showing up in CO is the way the IRS handles taxes on it
 
2013-08-16 07:07:21 PM

ShadowKamui: Ow! That was my feelings!: Tellingthem: Ow! That was my feelings!: Tellingthem: TuteTibiImperes: ikanreed: Headso: Christie agreed to allow production of ingestible forms of pot at state-approved dispensaries and to allow dispensaries to grow more than three strains of the drug.

They have the weirdest farking rules with all these new mmj laws, each state has their own idiotic rules and restrictions, that seem to come out of nowhere.

Not really, if you're approving it for treatment, you want to actually have predictable, medically documented effects.  Just going "whatever, have some pot" is not the point of medical marijuana. Just plain legalizing it would be better, but that's not what they're doing, and they shouldn't act like it.

I've thought about the incredibly varied medical marijuana laws in various states, from CA where pretty much anyone can just get a card for whatever reason to places where it's strictly controlled and real doctors have to be on board with a small list of medically acceptable uses.

On one hand I like CA's approach because it makes it only a split hair away from legal for recreational purposes, but at the same time I wonder if the easy access through the medical program in CA was one of the reasons the state's vote to legalize for recreational purposes failed.  I know a lot of the growers and dispensaries were worried about corporate interests taking over if it were made fully legal, but it seems that those who would want to use it recreationally could have easily outvoted them.  However, if those wanting to use it recreationally already have medical MJ cards, they might not have been as motivated to go out and vote it in as fully legal.

I'm all for introducing corporate interests into marijuana. If you want to make it legal they are your best avenue. Imagine the millions they could throw at voter campaigns and supporting political parties. If you want weed legal get big tobacco behind it and it will come sooner rather than later. You ...


They are being stopped for one reason, Cannabis is Schedule 1. It's hardly 'tinfoil' to worry that when Congress reschedules it, they will 'level' the playing field so that Philip Morris has a "fair chance" against current, independent growers.  It is the worst fear of many of the growers I know, that only 'authorized' (ie government approved growers) will be legal.
 
2013-08-16 07:11:35 PM

ShadowKamui: Take the tin foil hat off and put the bong down, nobody has that kind of deal.

The only thing stopping Malbrough Greens from showing up in CO is the way the IRS handles taxes on it


As an ex-smoker, I would totally smoke the weak, shiatty version of an MJ cigarette equivalent.  Sure, it's particulates down your lungs so it's still bad for you, but it doesn't have the tar and there's no equivalent of aldehyde boosting so it's comparatively benign and doesn't need a filter, really.

And when you've just got a pack of something to smoke at the bar, you don't  want it to be some sort of Jesus' own super-spectacular double strength mega strain 5000 now with extra THC, you want something that's barely a drug at all to go with your beer and avoid annoying everyone else on the patio.  I'm like 90% that that's why people smoke that annoying clove shiat, it bothers the guy at the next table less and doesn't give cravings if he's a quitter.

Anyhow, a weak corporate version of a joint where you're mostly just paying for the paper bit is actually great for most people... we're not mostly actual potheads, man.
 
2013-08-16 07:13:55 PM

Jim_Callahan: which a rare strain of marijuana in Colorado has helped reduce symptoms for in several dozen other sick children.

From the perspective of an individual person, yeah, OK, I guess I can understand looking for whatever help you can get when you've got an issue, without looking too hard at the actual facts.

From the perspective of a regulatory agency, though... 'several dozen improvements' is not a medical study, it's an  urban legend, and the idea that one strain of the same marijuana everyone smokes, which has only been cultivated into varietals in the last 40 years tops, has such wildly varying medical effects on users from other varietals is "somewhat dubious" if you're being nice and "complete and utter bullshiat" if you passed freshman biology*.

So you could say that I sympathize with the general idea the uneducated activists have in proposing the bill, but I'm not that upset about it getting delayed a bit, hopefully pending an actual study and not a 14-point Shakespherean witch's comedy break for its medical evidence.

*That is to say, not impossible, but close enough that you need real hard evidence and a mechanism for anyone to take it seriously.  In fairness there have been scientific bullshiat ideas that have eventually turned out to work.


It's not so much a 'magic strain' that works miracles as it is a custom designed strain that's high in CBD (which has been scientifically researched) while being low in THC, so that the kids using it aren't going to be super-stoned.  The research that's been done on the effect of marijuana on developing brains has focused on THC, not CBD, so while, CBD may have some potential negative effects, at least reducing the THC content should alleviate some of the things we know could go wrong.
 
2013-08-16 07:33:41 PM

Jim_Callahan: which a rare strain of marijuana in Colorado has helped reduce symptoms for in several dozen other sick children.

From the perspective of an individual person, yeah, OK, I guess I can understand looking for whatever help you can get when you've got an issue, without looking too hard at the actual facts.

From the perspective of a regulatory agency, though... 'several dozen improvements' is not a medical study, it's an  urban legend, and the idea that one strain of the same marijuana everyone smokes, which has only been cultivated into varietals in the last 40 years tops, has such wildly varying medical effects on users from other varietals is "somewhat dubious" if you're being nice and "complete and utter bullshiat" if you passed freshman biology*.

So you could say that I sympathize with the general idea the uneducated activists have in proposing the bill, but I'm not that upset about it getting delayed a bit, hopefully pending an actual study and not a 14-point Shakespherean witch's comedy break for its medical evidence.

*That is to say, not impossible, but close enough that you need real hard evidence and a mechanism for anyone to take it seriously.  In fairness there have been scientific bullshiat ideas that have eventually turned out to work.


facts.... like these?
realitycheck.typepad.com
img0.etsystatic.com
25.media.tumblr.com
www.erowid.org
...And the poster boy for the movement of illegalizing it:
freedweed.files.wordpress.com

We have a name for those kinds of "facts"... it's called Propaganda... the trusted ally of Dictators, Fascists, and other Jackbooted thugs all through history.
 
2013-08-16 07:55:54 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: We are winning without making a devil's bargain with the tobacco corporations. Almost half the states now have MMJ laws. Two have voted legalization, many more will follow. We don't need to whore out to Philip Morris and RJ Reynolds to get legal Cannabis. Patience.


Ow! speaks Truth.  And Wisdom.  Listen to Ow!
 
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