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(Yahoo)   Environmental group: "Republican denies climate change." Factcheck.org: "Let's check that whole quote, shall we? Surprise--he didn't say that at all, did he?" Environmental group: *crickets*   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 152
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2013-08-16 11:17:48 AM
Turnabout is fair play subby. How many apologies has GOP members issued for mis-quoting or outright fabrication of quotes? Don't forget "I'm sorry what I said offended you" isn't an apology. "I'm sorry I said XX which offended you" is. Which means the total is zero.
 
2013-08-16 11:19:28 AM
Good for the congressman, by the way. One of the few republicans who embrace radical concepts such as "science" and "facts"
 
2013-08-16 11:29:21 AM
If anyone knows about mis-using quotes, it's the GOP.
 
2013-08-16 12:04:56 PM
Tea Party Group: "Let's primary this RINO!"
 
2013-08-16 12:05:48 PM
We also contacted Davis' congressional office and asked if Davis believes the climate change is caused by man. His spokesman, Andrew Flach, told us: "It is one of the contributing factors, yes, but to what extent is open to debate and further research."

Translation: "Yes, he does believe it's largely caused by man, but my boss is a Republican and he wants to avoid being primaried by a Tea Party moron, so we'll just say that the cause is still being debated."
 
2013-08-16 01:02:13 PM
He doesn't believe it's man made. So he's still in denial.
 
2013-08-16 01:04:39 PM
Is Factcheck.org the one that called "Republicans want to end Medicare" the lie of the year?
 
2013-08-16 01:14:37 PM
The environmental group quotes Rep. Rodney Davis in a TV ad as saying "global warming has stopped 16 years ago." But the Illinois freshman actually said "they say that global warming has stopped 16 years ago." He went on to say, "But climate change is real."
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On the screen, viewers see "Congressman Davis. 'Global Warming Stopped 16 Years Ago.'"


There's not really an excuse for this commercial. If you don't like this guy's actual positions on the environment, run against those. Yeah it's par for the course for TV political ads but doesn't make it right.

Or perhaps point out that his caucus defers to the extremists.
 I think the League of Conseravation Voters just sees a Republican representative in a competitive district, and would like to see him defeated. Honestly, if you're an advocate for the environment, that's a completely rational position. But taking a clip like that and editing it to mean the opposite of what he actually said... not really defensible.
 
2013-08-16 01:14:43 PM
But climate change is real. The debate is over whether or not it's man-made or natural, and what can we do about it. The key is -

At the time of the interview, he was acting in the role of a climate change denier. He only later admits man adds to it.

LISTEN UP. There is no debate among scientific experts about anthropogenic climate change. PERIOD. The only real scientific debate is how much of it is caused by man. Most agree that the vast majority of climate change is caused by man.
 
2013-08-16 01:17:12 PM
Also left out of FactCheck's emphasis: "The debate is over whether or not it's man-made or natural, and what can we do about it."

"I don't know what causes it or how to deal with it" is just political code. Its the fallback position of someone who's at heart a denier but doesn't want to admit it because s/he 1) doesn't have the full-strength derp of his/her convictions and 2) doesn't want to be politically vulnerable in a mixed district.
 
2013-08-16 01:18:02 PM

Lurking Fear: Good for the congressman, by the way. One of the few republicans who embrace radical concepts such as "science" and "facts"


If you read the full quote you will be disappoint.
 
2013-08-16 01:18:28 PM

usernameguy: Is Factcheck.org the one that called "Republicans want to end Medicare" the lie of the year?


Factcheck.org, like most "fact check" sections of various publications, is pants-on-head retarded.

Still.
"They say global warming ended 16 years ago, but climate change is real"
"YOU JUST SAID GLOBAL WARMING ENDED 16 YEARS AGO!"

farking stupid.
 
2013-08-16 01:19:17 PM

tallguywithglasseson: But taking a clip like that and editing it to mean the opposite of what he actually said... not really defensible.


Especially since he damns himself just a few sentences later. I'd call the LCV out for shoddy editing, not misrepresentation.
 
2013-08-16 01:27:24 PM

Somacandra: tallguywithglasseson: But taking a clip like that and editing it to mean the opposite of what he actually said... not really defensible.

Especially since he damns himself just a few sentences later. I'd call the LCV out for shoddy editing, not misrepresentation.


Apparently I shouldn't have said "not really defensible", but rather "not credibly defensible".

Right on the screen, they're representing his position as "global warming stopped 16 years ago", because he mentioned that was an position - that he disagrees with.

Not misrepresentation. Right.
 
2013-08-16 01:31:26 PM

Somacandra: Also left out of FactCheck's emphasis: "The debate is over whether or not it's man-made or natural, and what can we do about it."

"I don't know what causes it or how to deal with it" is just political code. Its the fallback position of someone who's at heart a denier but doesn't want to admit it because s/he 1) doesn't have the full-strength derp of his/her convictions and 2) doesn't want to be politically vulnerable in a mixed district.


Nah. Probably not a denier, probably just in the pockets of a group of businessmen who hate things like environmental regulations. That's not to say there aren't real deniers out there, but I'm guessing the vast majority just want an excuse to vote against something in exchange for money. That's how politics work on the right wing now.
 
2013-08-16 01:31:56 PM
Subby, you probably have a point.

But, the GOP generally denies climate change is happening or that climate change is most likely man-made.

Please attempt to change Republican attitudes on the environment, OK?
 
2013-08-16 01:42:05 PM
<I>Davis: Ironically, if you listen to recent reports, they say that global warming has stopped 16 years ago - </I>

"If you listen to recent reports"... sounds like the Fox News old standby "Sources say"...

You can claim you never really say anything if you put some vague "mystery source" of the information in front of your claim.
 
2013-08-16 02:31:15 PM
Does it matter who said what?  It still means this thread will turn into shaitstorm of green text.
 
2013-08-16 02:31:35 PM
Lucky for the GOP they have Yahoo news and major networks to bring this to everyone's attention
 
2013-08-16 02:33:03 PM

dletter: <I>Davis: Ironically, if you listen to recent reports, they say that global warming has stopped 16 years ago - </I>

"If you listen to recent reports"... sounds like the Fox News old standby "Sources say"...

You can claim you never really say anything if you put some vague "mystery source" of the information in front of your claim.


Breaking news! Unnamed sources report Rep. Davis is more full of sh*t than a porta-john at a chili cookoff.
 
2013-08-16 02:34:00 PM
But did he imply it?
 
2013-08-16 02:35:02 PM

Lurking Fear: Good for the congressman, by the way. One of the few republicans who embrace radical concepts such as "science" and "facts"


As much as I agree with you about turnabout being fair play, we should be doing everything possible to encourage Republicans not engaged in derp, just for the good of the country. Plus like you said, he's personally not engaged in derp or very supportive of it (a good question would be what is he doing with the GOP to begin with).
 
2013-08-16 02:35:24 PM

tallguywithglasseson: usernameguy: Is Factcheck.org the one that called "Republicans want to end Medicare" the lie of the year?

Factcheck.org, like most "fact check" sections of various publications, is pants-on-head retarded.

Still.
"They say global warming ended 16 years ago, but climate change is real"
"YOU JUST SAID GLOBAL WARMING ENDED 16 YEARS AGO!"

farking stupid.


Which part, the part that's wrong or the part that comes to the right conclusion based on faulty information?
 
2013-08-16 02:39:31 PM

Lurking Fear: Good for the congressman, by the way. One of the few republicans who embrace radical concepts such as "science" and "facts"


i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-16 02:41:07 PM
Fine.  One Republican isn't a complete mouth-breathing retard.  Way to go, dickheads.  Throw a party or something.
 
2013-08-16 02:41:33 PM
Why would you even bother fabricating a story like that when there are so many real ones to choose from?
 
2013-08-16 02:42:00 PM
thedailyshow.mtvnimages.com
 
2013-08-16 02:44:41 PM

bdub77: Somacandra: Also left out of FactCheck's emphasis: "The debate is over whether or not it's man-made or natural, and what can we do about it."

"I don't know what causes it or how to deal with it" is just political code. Its the fallback position of someone who's at heart a denier but doesn't want to admit it because s/he 1) doesn't have the full-strength derp of his/her convictions and 2) doesn't want to be politically vulnerable in a mixed district.

Nah. Probably not a denier, probably just in the pockets of a group of businessmen who hate things like environmental regulations. That's not to say there aren't real deniers out there, but I'm guessing the vast majority just want an excuse to vote against something in exchange for money. That's how politics work on the right wing now.


Since my last post I've read the thread and I have to admit I didn't quite have the context of the interview down when I posted. Thanks for providing some info on this guy's background; I'll upgrade him to "shill with completely fair weather convictions" though he could be derpier.
 
2013-08-16 02:45:49 PM

Lurking Fear: Turnabout is fair play subby. How many apologies has GOP members issued for mis-quoting or outright fabrication of quotes? Don't forget "I'm sorry what I said offended you" isn't an apology. "I'm sorry I said XX which offended you" is. Which means the total is zero.


Wait...are you saying "I'm sorry you misunderstood" doesn't count either?
 
2013-08-16 02:47:25 PM
b.vimeocdn.com
 
2013-08-16 02:48:15 PM
I'm very disappointed that this was proved to be a lie and a Republican actually believes climate change is occurring... Oh wait
 
2013-08-16 02:48:50 PM
So, wait, now Republicans are concerned about quote mining? How does James O'Keefe and Breitbart.com feel about this?
 
2013-08-16 02:50:25 PM
Subby, Factcheck and the treehuggers are all pretty sloppy here but "Republican won't acknowledge man-made climate change" would be accurate.

Outrage fail.
 
2013-08-16 02:51:42 PM

Zerochance: Fine. One Republican isn't a complete mouth-breathing retard. Way


Well, except he is. He really did say what they claimed he said, he just got cut off so he couldn't finish the remainder of his.... "thought" about it.

But what he brought up was the idiotic cherry-picked data that you see where idiots start the trend graph at 1996 to "prove" that the planet is cooling because, hey, 1996 is the highest point in that graph! There was nowhere he could have possibly gone with that without going full derp.

He then goes on to lie about there being a "debate" over whether or not humans are c

So... yea... fark this guy.

The complaint about the quote seems to rely on the fact that his statement was interrupted by the interviewer, but there's no way he could have gone anywhere with that quote that wouldn't have ended with him going full derp.

I mean... I sort of get the point here.... but the guy IS still a denialst dick, he's just using fresher talking points to do it than the ones the ad implies.
 
2013-08-16 02:53:56 PM
"If we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose." - Barack Nobamarama
 
2013-08-16 02:55:07 PM

Darth_Lukecash: He doesn't believe it's man made. So he's still in denial.


Denial of what?  The lies and misrepresentations by a bunch of fascists?
 
2013-08-16 02:57:07 PM

Witty_Retort: "If we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose." - Barack Nobamarama


static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-08-16 02:57:17 PM
??

The full quote seems to show him starting to actually make the claim that the article is trying to say he didn't make.  He was claiming that if you look at "recent reports", those show no climate change for 16 years.  That's the "they" - "recent reports".

He wasn't attacking that notion, he was trying to pass of rumors and propaganda as legitimate science, and got called out halfway through his sentence.  He backed up and _then_ said that climate change was real and tried to refine that he was really arguing the anthropogenic debate.

Which then leaves the glaring question: why did he bring up these "reports" (talking points handed out to the anti-climate-change community by big oil)?

No, the framing of his position is right, and it was clear that if not called out on it, he would have been one of them spreading that rumor.  Anyone with more than two words of short-term memory for context can see that.
 
2013-08-16 02:58:32 PM

Lord_Baull: So, wait, now Republicans are concerned about quote mining? How does James O'Keefe and Breitbart.com feel about this?


without a hint of shame they would tell you this is appalling.
 
2013-08-16 03:00:34 PM
FTFA:  He went on to say, "But climate change is real."

The insanity of today's GOP has become so concentrated and massive, that it has actually collapsed in on itself, ripping a hole in the space-time continuum and enabling human beings to actually travel through time and see the future.

For example, we know that this guy is going to lose his next primary.
 
2013-08-16 03:02:18 PM

The Name: For example, we know that this guy is going to lose his next primary.


In Illinois?

Eh... I'd say it's a tossup. If we were talking Kansas or something, yea.
 
2013-08-16 03:02:32 PM
I've basically given up on assuming there will be any sort of political solution to climate change. Advances in alternative energy, to include nuclear, and engineering solutions to mitigate impacts, seem like the best hope of keeping human civilization on track for greatness. If government subsidies or incentives are a part of that, great, but it's going to be our scientists and engineers who get us out of this one, not our politicians.
 
2013-08-16 03:02:33 PM

skozlaw: Zerochance: Fine. One Republican isn't a complete mouth-breathing retard. Way

Well, except he is. He really did say what they claimed he said, he just got cut off so he couldn't finish the remainder of his.... "thought" about it.

But what he brought up was the idiotic cherry-picked data that you see where idiots start the trend graph at 1996 to "prove" that the planet is cooling because, hey, 1996 is the highest point in that graph! There was nowhere he could have possibly gone with that without going full derp.

He then goes on to lie about there being a "debate" over whether or not humans are c

So... yea... fark this guy.

The complaint about the quote seems to rely on the fact that his statement was interrupted by the interviewer, but there's no way he could have gone anywhere with that quote that wouldn't have ended with him going full derp.

I mean... I sort of get the point here.... but the guy IS still a denialst dick, he's just using fresher talking points to do it than the ones the ad implies.



The worst part is that they honestly believe that the atmospheric temperature is the only thing that matters, completely ignoring the fact that the ocean, which covers 3/4ths of the earth and stores far more thermal energy than the atmosphere, has been steadily rising in temperature for all 16 of those years.

Yes folks, GLOBAL warming deals with the entire GLOBE. Land, Sea, and Air. Not just air.
 
2013-08-16 03:02:47 PM
 Meanwhile said republican is still doing everything in his power to block any progress climate change policy while claiming that it's no longer an issue, but oh no those evil environmentalist were totally wrong about him. This is nothing more than the next goal post move in long history of back stepping. First it was a non exsistent hoax, then maybe it's happening but it's not our fault, and now that the last turd has flopped they are moving on the this line. The fact is they do not want to do anything that will impact their campaign contributors in the oil and gas industry and will use whatever line they need to in order to avoid it.
 
2013-08-16 03:03:06 PM
This could all be resolved by ending money in elections.  Thanks in advance for doing that.
 
2013-08-16 03:03:36 PM

Witty_Retort: Everyone stop paying attention to the article!!

 
2013-08-16 03:04:38 PM

error 303: I've basically given up on assuming there will be any sort of political solution to climate change. Advances in alternative energy, to include nuclear, and engineering solutions to mitigate impacts, seem like the best hope of keeping human civilization on track for greatness. If government subsidies or incentives are a part of that, great, but it's going to be our scientists and engineers who get us out of this one, not our politicians.


God help us, we're in the hands of engineers.

/Ah..haha..aaah...ahahhha
 
2013-08-16 03:04:59 PM
"you didn't build that." that's how you use a quote.
 
2013-08-16 03:09:55 PM

Marcus Aurelius: If anyone knows about mis-using quotes, it's the GOP.


Does not make it right
 
2013-08-16 03:10:19 PM
They deny that he isn't a denier!  But his words deny their denial denial.  Because he isn't.
 
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