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(Washington Post)   Police chief to clueless Washington, DC dumbasses: "You wouldn't go around flaunting $400 in cash in your hand, and that's what you're doing with your phone"   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 38
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2013-08-16 09:19:00 AM  
8 votes:
Hey!  We don't blame the victim in this country.  If you want to wander around with a big wad of cash, or a fancy cell phone in your hand, through crowded, criminal infested metro stations, you should be able to, and no one should be allowed to judge you.  It is no one's fault but the criminal's.
2013-08-16 11:29:24 AM  
5 votes:
Citizen - "A cop beat me up for no reason."

Cop - "Yeah, try not to piss of the cops."

Citizen - "Somebody stole my phone from my hand."

Cops - "Yeah, try not to tempt thieves."

Your broke ass, piss poor excuse for law enforcement.

Let me show it to you.

I'm gonna put forth a little hypothesis, here.

The only people cops respect are other cops and criminals.  You?  You're a pain in the ass.  Figure out your own problems.
2013-08-16 11:27:34 AM  
4 votes:
Dear METRO TRANSIT POLICE CHIEF,


You have 420 Police Officers at your disposal, use them.. YOUR ONLY JOB IS THE METRO. I mean DC has freaking LIBRARY POLICE, and Park Police, and City and Feds, your only job is the metro. If this a problem deal with it, increase police presence, have undercovers on the trains. It sounds like it's primarily the Red and Green/Yellow lines so crack down on those.

signed,
DC resident
2013-08-16 11:24:30 AM  
3 votes:
should be able to walk around flaunting $400 in cash in my hand.  Clean up your farking cesspool of a city!
2013-08-16 11:21:10 AM  
3 votes:
FTFA: "You wouldn't go around flaunting $400 in cash in your hand, and that's what you're doing with your phone," the chief said.

The chief then went on to say that women with large breasts have only themselves to blame if they are sexually assaulted if they dress like sluts, "Put on a damn burqa and you won't have any problems".
2013-08-16 11:13:49 AM  
3 votes:

Aarontology: Then why are they paying your salary, chief?


Done in 2.
//Chief admits he is a failure at his job so your security is on you...
2013-08-16 10:05:40 AM  
3 votes:

montreal_medic: I never understood stealing electronics with gps, a camera, a persistent internet connection, and a preinstalled device finder app.

Could fenced/pawned/ebayed stolen phones bring in enough to be worth the risk? Seems like a wallet with a couple of 20s would be a better risk/benefit


I was robbed at gunpoint doing a home visit in DC. My phone and iPad were safely away in my backpack had all those things on them. The police made. Big show in the community right after and tracked down my backpack and some of the contents in a dumpster. However in regulars to the electronics they didn't do a damn thing. I gave them all the information and they basically said the kids would have already pawned things off to the next person and let it go.

I know why criminals in DC are bold enough to do this. It's because there is no real risk to them. I always hold my iPad with two hands on diagonal corners and grip it tighter any time we near a station but I know if someone takes it from me the police will be no damn help.
2013-08-16 09:36:43 AM  
3 votes:
Then why are they paying your salary, chief?
2013-08-16 03:07:21 PM  
2 votes:

Inchoate: The Googles Do Nothing: Do these farkers on here whining about how they shouldn't have to worry about holding their phone in their hand whilst wearing earplugs on a crowded train with people of a lower socio-economic background in proximity also lock their doors at night or when they leave? Because they shouldn't then.

False equivalency.


How so? Statement: I shouldn't have to worry about people stealing my crap, therefore I should take no measures to prevent it.

Seems like they are exactly the same to me.

I'm sorry we don't live in a utopia.
2013-08-16 12:37:43 PM  
2 votes:
Do these farkers on here whining about how they shouldn't have to worry about holding their phone in their hand whilst wearing earplugs on a crowded train with people of a lower socio-economic background in proximity also lock their doors at night or when they leave?  Because they shouldn't then.

I can't believe the lack of common sense in the Me-Generation.
2013-08-16 11:49:47 AM  
2 votes:

bongmiester: he's right


She, and no she's not.  They said that during the height of the Roman empire a woman could walk alone on the imperial roads  from Gaul to Rome with a sackful of gold coins in perfect safety.

It 2013 and I expect the same thing to be true of the capital city of the greatest nation on earth.   Especially one so festoon with cameras that they are even installing them on STOP SIGNS now.  Telling people that they should be afraid to have their phone in their hands while travelling essentially defeats the entire purpose of having a mobile phone, now doesn't it?
2013-08-16 11:19:17 AM  
2 votes:
And don't get him started on those people flaunting tens of thousands of dollars by driving a CAR around D.C! Talk about letting your guard down. Everybody should just walk around that city naked and possessionless.
2013-08-16 11:08:54 AM  
2 votes:
he's right
2013-08-16 03:28:40 PM  
1 votes:

shaddix: How so? Statement: I shouldn't have to worry about people stealing my crap, therefore I should take no measures to prevent it.

Seems like they are exactly the same to me.

I'm sorry we don't live in a utopia.


Where shall we begin?

First let's go with the actions. Locking one's doors is fairly standard practice that is a minimal inconvenience as far as cost/benefit. Refraining from ever using one's smartphone in public, never using headphones with a device designed to play music/sound, or otherwise being so paranoid about theft that it significantly impedes normal/practical/entertaining use with that device? That is not standard, and it involves inconvenience that may be great, depending on the circumstances. Not equivalent~

The second mistake, of course, is to assume that people who think victim-blaming is shiatty also think that preventative measures are bad or useless.
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The time for recommending crime protection/prevention is at the very end of an article or a press conference like this, or in its own little feature article. To come right out of the gate with "welp, victims shouldn't have been so stupid" sends a message that it's most important for potential victims to not be victims, rather than for criminals to not commit crimes or for law enforcement to do its goddamn job. It's lazy, just-worldy, insulting, and not very helpful.
2013-08-16 02:50:19 PM  
1 votes:

nelsonal: Stings would also be quite easy to set up (give a female officer a new iphone/galaxy S4 and post 2 fast officers closer to the doors).


Stings would actually be pretty tough. It's not a big problem - the crime spree cited here is about 2 a day. Out of over 750,000 riders a day. But while stings are likely pointless (too rare a crime with to many real targets), the balance of your simple plan would work fine. Simple enough to commit a few dozen officers for a few 'emphasis days' to shut it down and make a statement, just a matter of allocating the capital and management to make it happen.
2013-08-16 02:38:44 PM  
1 votes:

The Googles Do Nothing: Inchoate: The Googles Do Nothing: Do these farkers on here whining about how they shouldn't have to worry about holding their phone in their hand whilst wearing earplugs on a crowded train with people of a lower socio-economic background in proximity also lock their doors at night or when they leave? Because they shouldn't then.

False equivalency.

So, how can we prevent a crime before it happens?


Most of us would be happy if Metro's cops caught the occasional phone jacker and put that on the news a few times a year.  "Pavlik could not say how often his officers have been able to catch thieves".

There are at least a half dozen cameras in every station, sprinters aren't all that common, most of the stations are underground (which means there are at best 3-4 exits and for most 1-2) or you can alert the next station down the line if they get on a train.  This should be like shooting fish in a barrel in terms of % caught.  Stings would also be quite easy to set up (give a female officer a new iphone/galaxy S4 and post 2 fast officers closer to the doors).  None of these appear to be the response, rather the chief of police is basically admitting defeat.
2013-08-16 01:57:14 PM  
1 votes:

Inchoate: The Googles Do Nothing: Do these farkers on here whining about how they shouldn't have to worry about holding their phone in their hand whilst wearing earplugs on a crowded train with people of a lower socio-economic background in proximity also lock their doors at night or when they leave? Because they shouldn't then.

False equivalency.


So, how can we prevent a crime before it happens?
2013-08-16 12:48:11 PM  
1 votes:

The Googles Do Nothing: Do these farkers on here whining about how they shouldn't have to worry about holding their phone in their hand whilst wearing earplugs on a crowded train with people of a lower socio-economic background in proximity also lock their doors at night or when they leave?  Because they shouldn't then.

I can't believe the lack of common sense in the Me-Generation.


So much farking this.
2013-08-16 12:41:25 PM  
1 votes:
So glad I don't have to work downtown with protection like that.
2013-08-16 12:21:51 PM  
1 votes:
FTA: "Get your head out of your iPhone," Metro Transit Police Chief Ron Pavlik said Thursday during a news conference to talk about the increase in grab-and-run crime.

To quote Red in "Shawshank Redemption": That's goddamn right.

Seriously, if I had a dollar for every time I saw someone blather on their cellphone and ignoring their surroundings, I'd be Bill motherfarking Gates by now.
2013-08-16 12:17:50 PM  
1 votes:
Remember guys.  You have to be the baddest motherf*ker in the room.  Let people know you're a success.

Ladies?  Somebody is trying to tell YOU that YOU should do something?  That's oppressive!  You're being insulted by misogynists!  Get your b*tch on and straighten them out, gurrrl!

And always remember, trust the police and do whatever criminals say for your own safety!

Oh, and make sure all of your transactions are safely recorded by only using debit and credit cards.  For freedom.  This may be the first time in history that the sheep actually not only drive themselves and the butcher to the slaughterhouse, but pay for the gas and tolls.
2013-08-16 12:15:02 PM  
1 votes:
I'm not flaunting $400, I'm getting home early to see my kids because I can answer a critical by 2 minute question if it comes up on the analysis due tomorrow. Add up the several hundred hours of free time I've gotten from being able to take the occasional call on a train platform and I'm willing to risk the occasional phone theft.

They cite a 2 week crime spree of 40 thefts - out of 8 million passenger trips. Not all those passengers used their iPhones, but risk/reward I don't have a hard choice here.
2013-08-16 12:13:48 PM  
1 votes:

evaned: devildog123: Hey!  We don't blame the victim in this country.  If you want to wander around with a big wad of cash, or a fancy cell phone in your hand, through crowded, criminal infested metro stations, you should be able to, and no one should be allowed to judge you.  It is no one's fault but the criminal's.

There's a difference between saying "doing these things increase your probability of being a crime victim" and "these things make it so you deserve it". Saying "be aware of your surroundings", "don't flaunt your expensive things", etc. is the former. Saying "she was asking for it" is the latter.


Try telling some ladies they need to be aware of their surroundings and you'll get swarmed with people telling you to stop blaming the victims.
2013-08-16 12:08:22 PM  
1 votes:

Enemabag Jones: Seconded. And unlike those bogus wallet shakedowns, or questionable police bait car scams, people would love police doing this type of morality test.


Yup.
Hell, if a few of those 400-odd Metro cops had been in the station for the first video, maybe you wouldn't be seeing the guy run an unmolested marathon all the way through it.
2013-08-16 12:04:01 PM  
1 votes:
Pockafrusta
Easy to set up a sting.
Fast movers with tazers and radios. No mercy. Done.
/Taz them bro!


Seconded. And unlike those bogus wallet shakedowns, or questionable police bait car scams, people would love police doing this type of morality test.
2013-08-16 12:03:15 PM  
1 votes:
"You wouldn't go around flaunting $400 in cash in your hand, and that's what you're doing with your phone," the chief said.

If a wad of cash played music and let me read books and browse the internet, I would.  Idiot police chief makes bad analogy instead of doing his job.  That makes me feel safer when I take the metro in to work.
2013-08-16 12:01:53 PM  
1 votes:
Smartphones, even and especially expensive ones, are commonplace items now, and not just for rich people. Using one in public is not "flaunting $400 in cash", it's being a farking human being in 2013.

It should be reasonably safe to use such devices in public. Of course theft victims should take precautions. But it is unbelievably disrespectful and lazy of the police to blame people for having the temerity to do everyday things in the possible presence of thieves.
2013-08-16 11:58:02 AM  
1 votes:
Easy to set up a sting.

Fast movers with tazers and radios. No mercy. Done.

/Taz them bro!
2013-08-16 11:42:46 AM  
1 votes:

Gwendolyn: I know why criminals in DC are bold enough to do this. It's because there is no real risk to them. I always hold my iPad with two hands on diagonal corners and grip it tighter any time we near a station but I know if someone takes it from me the police will be no damn help.


There was a nice story a few months ago about an NYPD officer who was approached by a woman who told her her cellphone had been stolen on the subway. As I recall, the cop used his own phone to log in to her tracking software, followed the train until the guy got off, and caught him.

I'm speculating that she must have been incredibly hot.
2013-08-16 11:38:18 AM  
1 votes:

Gwendolyn: montreal_medic: I never understood stealing electronics with gps, a camera, a persistent internet connection, and a preinstalled device finder app.

Could fenced/pawned/ebayed stolen phones bring in enough to be worth the risk? Seems like a wallet with a couple of 20s would be a better risk/benefit

I was robbed at gunpoint doing a home visit in DC. My phone and iPad were safely away in my backpack had all those things on them. The police made. Big show in the community right after and tracked down my backpack and some of the contents in a dumpster. However in regulars to the electronics they didn't do a damn thing. I gave them all the information and they basically said the kids would have already pawned things off to the next person and let it go.

I know why criminals in DC are bold enough to do this. It's because there is no real risk to them. I always hold my iPad with two hands on diagonal corners and grip it tighter any time we near a station but I know if someone takes it from me the police will be no damn help.


Maybe the police couldn't understand what you were telling them. Just a thought in regulars to your story.
2013-08-16 11:36:19 AM  
1 votes:
This whole "grab and run thing" used to not be such a problem.  Now it's becoming so common that no one is doing anything about it.  So the thieves are everywhere now.  They know no one will stop them.  And now that literally everyone is holding their iPhone or other such device in their hand, they are SUCH easy targets.

I saw those clips of the "Sliders" as they've come to be known.  They would steal shiat right out of someone's car, in broad daylight, while the owner is right there, and on security video - license plate and all.  And they still get away.  Because by the time any law enforcement catches up, they've taken what they need, pawned off the rest, and disposed of what they don't want.

Best thing to do is not be so obvious with your stuff.  Since that Sliders thing was shown, I notice that women parking at work go to their trunk to retrieve their purse after they park.  That's smart.  Unortunately necessary.  And smart.
2013-08-16 11:33:24 AM  
1 votes:

montreal_medic: Gwendolyn: montreal_medic: I never understood stealing electronics with gps, a camera, a persistent internet connection, and a preinstalled device finder app.

Could fenced/pawned/ebayed stolen phones bring in enough to be worth the risk? Seems like a wallet with a couple of 20s would be a better risk/benefit

I was robbed at gunpoint doing a home visit in DC. My phone and iPad were safely away in my backpack had all those things on them. The police made. Big show in the community right after and tracked down my backpack and some of the contents in a dumpster. However in regulars to the electronics they didn't do a damn thing. I gave them all the information and they basically said the kids would have already pawned things off to the next person and let it go.

I know why criminals in DC are bold enough to do this. It's because there is no real risk to them. I always hold my iPad with two hands on diagonal corners and grip it tighter any time we near a station but I know if someone takes it from me the police will be no damn help.

Glad you're ok - That's crazy.

Wouldn't a pawnbroker offer a pittance for stolen phones? If someone can prove a phone is theirs, I imagine the pawnshop has to give it back (I have no illusions that anyone would go after them for trafficking in stolen goods, that would make too much sense) and they are not in the business of losing money. Especially given how easy they are to track and remotely brick, and how cheap they are when subsidized by a carrier, who would pay money for a sketchy used phone without knowing if you would be confronted by the real owner or have already been turned into a paperweight. I know I wouldnt pay $50 for a questionable iPhone or Android when I could get a new legit one for about the same or less. So how could a broker, given all the risks of having traceable stolen inventory (unlike tvs and the like which are essentially untraceable unless you keep the serial numbers and happen to stumble into them) offer more than 10 or 20 dollars for something he'd be lucky to sell for 40 or 50?

I guess I figured the used market would be next to zero....

Maybe I'm naive, living in a relatively low crime area in Canuckistan


Here is how it works. The original person sells the cell phone for $20 or so. By pawning its more like a local criminal who can make more out of it. The next person who gets it makes calls to Nigeria or where ever as they use it. It usually takes a few hours for someone to turn off the phone. Then they break the screen it and sell it to gazelle or where ever that will pay to recycle it for the precious metals. iPads are quickly sold to someone who usually is the neighborhood tech guru who can reset the damn thing and then resells it for $150 or something they somehow get stolen phones set up with new SIM cards and numbers.
2013-08-16 11:32:44 AM  
1 votes:

devildog123: Hey!  We don't blame the victim in this country.  If you want to wander around with a big wad of cash, or a fancy cell phone in your hand, through crowded, criminal infested metro stations, you should be able to, and no one should be allowed to judge you.  It is no one's fault but the criminal's.


There's a difference between saying "doing these things increase your probability of being a crime victim" and "these things make it so you deserve it". Saying "be aware of your surroundings", "don't flaunt your expensive things", etc. is the former. Saying "she was asking for it" is the latter.
2013-08-16 11:30:15 AM  
1 votes:

zedster: Dear METRO TRANSIT POLICE CHIEF,


You have 420 Police Officers at your disposal, use them.. YOUR ONLY JOB IS THE METRO. I mean DC has freaking LIBRARY POLICE, and Park Police, and City and Feds, your only job is the metro. If this a problem deal with it, increase police presence, have undercovers on the trains. It sounds like it's primarily the Red and Green/Yellow lines so crack down on those. SHOOT ROBBERS IN THE FACE. Problem Solved.

signed,
DC resident

2013-08-16 11:30:12 AM  
1 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: montreal_medic: I never understood stealing electronics with gps, a camera, a persistent internet connection, and a preinstalled device finder app.

Could fenced/pawned/ebayed stolen phones bring in enough to be worth the risk? Seems like a wallet with a couple of 20s would be a better risk/benefit


Nobody carrys cash anymore


/bankcards can be cancelled quickly


Which is why I carry cash.

I buy something out of the ordinary, the bank kills my card and my CC, since they're linked to the same account. Since I have no interest in having a second bank card, I always carry a couple of smaller bills so I can still pay for my lunch/coffee/whatever

Figured everyone has at least 20 bucks real money
2013-08-16 11:25:00 AM  
1 votes:

monoski: Aarontology: Then why are they paying your salary, chief?

Done in 2.
//Chief admits he is a failure at his job so your security is on you...


Unless they have some type of pre-crime bureau, he has a point.
2013-08-16 11:21:51 AM  
1 votes:
You wouldn't go out at night dressed in sexually flattering clothing, would you ladies?
2013-08-16 09:57:37 AM  
1 votes:
I never understood stealing electronics with gps, a camera, a persistent internet connection, and a preinstalled device finder app.

Could fenced/pawned/ebayed stolen phones bring in enough to be worth the risk? Seems like a wallet with a couple of 20s would be a better risk/benefit
 
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