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(Sporting News)   Oakland Raiders' stadium problems makes moving to Los Angeles inevitable. Fans in Los Angeles immediately disappointed, still hope to get a real NFL quality team   (sportingnews.com) divider line 57
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2013-08-16 07:40:19 PM  
kdawg7736: Never been to California but my Dad went on a business trip to San Francisco 20 years ago and told me SF was nice and glamorous and Oakland was a impoverished ghetto. Perhaps Oakland really does not have any money to keep the Raiders if it is still a poor area.

It's a little more complicated than that. Yes, San Francisco is very nice in parts and there's a strong music/culture scene there, but there's also shiatty areas within the (415) (see: the Tenderloin and Haight). What SF has is location, location, location, going across the Golden Gate Bridge towards Sausalito, looking toward Tiburon is breathtaking. What's not breathtaking is all the drug addicts and homeless who physically threaten you at BART stations if you don't cough up some loot because, you know, maaaaan, anything that puts rules on the homelessEver is like Naziism.

Oakland is incredible in the hills, the flatlands, not so much. It would be obscene to ask an impoverished city like Croakland to pay a dime to keep a stupid pro sports team (much as I love sports).

The article is lame, it doesn't really get in to details about the stadium issue here in Los Angeles. The Ed Roski proposal out in Industry is dead in the water. It's too far away from the big bucks (Beverly Hills, the Westside, coastal Orange County) that they need to buy PSL and luxury boxes and, well, Industry. The AEG Farmers Field deal at Staples Center seems dead too now that Tim Leiweke left/was ousted at AEG. Once again, a bazillionaire, Philip Anschutz, isn't willing to build a stadium without taxpayer help. Ding ding ding! Wrong answer, AEG.
 
2013-08-16 07:52:55 PM  

Henry Holland: kdawg7736: Never been to California but my Dad went on a business trip to San Francisco 20 years ago and told me SF was nice and glamorous and Oakland was a impoverished ghetto. Perhaps Oakland really does not have any money to keep the Raiders if it is still a poor area.

It's a little more complicated than that. Yes, San Francisco is very nice in parts and there's a strong music/culture scene there, but there's also shiatty areas within the (415) (see: the Tenderloin and Haight). What SF has is location, location, location, going across the Golden Gate Bridge towards Sausalito, looking toward Tiburon is breathtaking. What's not breathtaking is all the drug addicts and homeless who physically threaten you at BART stations if you don't cough up some loot because, you know, maaaaan, anything that puts rules on the homelessEver is like Naziism.

Oakland is incredible in the hills, the flatlands, not so much. It would be obscene to ask an impoverished city like Croakland to pay a dime to keep a stupid pro sports team (much as I love sports).

The article is lame, it doesn't really get in to details about the stadium issue here in Los Angeles. The Ed Roski proposal out in Industry is dead in the water. It's too far away from the big bucks (Beverly Hills, the Westside, coastal Orange County) that they need to buy PSL and luxury boxes and, well, Industry. The AEG Farmers Field deal at Staples Center seems dead too now that Tim Leiweke left/was ousted at AEG. Once again, a bazillionaire, Philip Anschutz, isn't willing to build a stadium without taxpayer help. Ding ding ding! Wrong answer, AEG.


That is what I was thinking. They want money from the taxpayers to fund their stadiums or pull out. To fund the Pittsburgh Penguins's new arena a deal was made where slot machine revenue would help fund it. I know Vegas and Reno are nearby but it wouldn't be a bad idea, at least if there is/were casinos in Northern California. That would take pressure off the residents of the area when it comes to funding. Just a thought.
 
2013-08-16 08:14:48 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Contract the team. The Davises have been a boil on the butt of the NFL since they joined the league. Enough is enough. Liquidate the assets, knock down Mount Davis, and sow their practice fields with salt.

/Bronco fan


Heaven forbid an owner create a villian for the rest of the league to balance out the choirboy image the other teams were trying to put on in the 60's and 70's while being a top 5 merchandising team until about 10 years ago.  That would be the worst thing ever helping create the NFL brand and selling gobs of merchandise to line the other owner's pockets.
 
2013-08-16 08:40:13 PM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Contract the team. The Davises have been a boil on the butt of the NFL since they joined the league. Enough is enough. Liquidate the assets, knock down Mount Davis, and sow their practice fields with salt.

/Bronco fan

Heaven forbid an owner create a villian for the rest of the league to balance out the choirboy image the other teams were trying to put on in the 60's and 70's while being a top 5 merchandising team until about 10 years ago.  That would be the worst thing ever helping create the NFL brand and selling gobs of merchandise to line the other owner's pockets.


Oh, I have other reasons also. I'm an Oakland A's fan, and that alone is enough for me to hate the Raiders for eternity. Keep your damned football out of my baseball.

/BTW, I have you Farkied as "Cool Raider Fan" which is the highest compliment I've EVER paid a Raider fan. :)
//honestly, football would be a lot more boring without the Raiders because I'd have to direct all my vitriol at the Chiefs
 
2013-08-16 09:30:00 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: /BTW, I have you Farkied as "Cool Raider Fan" which is the highest compliment I've EVER paid a Raider fan. :)
//honestly, football would be a lot more boring without the Raiders because I'd have to direct all my vitriol at the Chiefs


Holy crap... Bronco and Raider fans not at each other's throats- and thanks for the compliment.  It isn't too much of a stretch as we can both agree the Chiefs will always find a way to screw things up no matter how great they look.

/I mean, c'mon...playoffs?!?
//Somebody cue Jim Mora
 
2013-08-16 09:36:28 PM  

kdawg7736: Henry Holland: kdawg7736: Never been to California but my Dad went on a business trip to San Francisco 20 years ago and told me SF was nice and glamorous and Oakland was a impoverished ghetto. Perhaps Oakland really does not have any money to keep the Raiders if it is still a poor area.

It's a little more complicated than that. Yes, San Francisco is very nice in parts and there's a strong music/culture scene there, but there's also shiatty areas within the (415) (see: the Tenderloin and Haight). What SF has is location, location, location, going across the Golden Gate Bridge towards Sausalito, looking toward Tiburon is breathtaking. What's not breathtaking is all the drug addicts and homeless who physically threaten you at BART stations if you don't cough up some loot because, you know, maaaaan, anything that puts rules on the homelessEver is like Naziism.

Oakland is incredible in the hills, the flatlands, not so much. It would be obscene to ask an impoverished city like Croakland to pay a dime to keep a stupid pro sports team (much as I love sports).

The article is lame, it doesn't really get in to details about the stadium issue here in Los Angeles. The Ed Roski proposal out in Industry is dead in the water. It's too far away from the big bucks (Beverly Hills, the Westside, coastal Orange County) that they need to buy PSL and luxury boxes and, well, Industry. The AEG Farmers Field deal at Staples Center seems dead too now that Tim Leiweke left/was ousted at AEG. Once again, a bazillionaire, Philip Anschutz, isn't willing to build a stadium without taxpayer help. Ding ding ding! Wrong answer, AEG.

That is what I was thinking. They want money from the taxpayers to fund their stadiums or pull out. To fund the Pittsburgh Penguins's new arena a deal was made where slot machine revenue would help fund it. I know Vegas and Reno are nearby but it wouldn't be a bad idea, at least if there is/were casinos in Northern California. That would take pressure off the residents of the area when it comes to funding. Just a thought.


There are very few times that taxpayer money should be involved. I supported Indy building Lucas because the RCA Dome had to go. The convention center HAD to expand and it made sense. I knew a lot of people who went back to school because the convention business had dried up and the supporting businesses were dying. The conventions had outgrown Indy and hosting the Superbowl let them know that the city could host them again as well. I think GenCon was the biggest convention at the time. Indy wants to be a convention city and Lucas made a lot of sense since the Colts lease had to be bought up for the city to proceed anyway. But there are very few cases like that. Usually I'm against taxpayer subsidies of sports facilities unless the taxpayers will own it outright and the team leases it.

I wish cities and states would just grow backbones and say no unless it is part of a larger economic vision. People will spend their money regardless.
 
2013-08-17 02:18:04 AM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: /BTW, I have you Farkied as "Cool Raider Fan" which is the highest compliment I've EVER paid a Raider fan. :)
//honestly, football would be a lot more boring without the Raiders because I'd have to direct all my vitriol at the Chiefs

Holy crap... Bronco and Raider fans not at each other's throats- and thanks for the compliment.  It isn't too much of a stretch as we can both agree the Chiefs will always find a way to screw things up no matter how great they look.

/I mean, c'mon...playoffs?!?
//Somebody cue Jim Mora


They always talk about rivalries, but I think the Denver-Oakland-Kansas City rivalry is the only three-way hate-fest I can think of. If you get a Raider fan and a Chiefs fan together (perhaps using a telephone would be safer), they'll both agree that they hate the Broncos. Bronco fan and a Raider fan, they both hate the Chiefs. Bronco and a Chiefs fan, both hate the Raiders. Best three-way rivalry in sports. The Chargers don't even enter into it. They're the tag-along little brothers; even if they win the division, I still can't work up a good pure hatred against 'em.
 
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