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(Sporting News)   Oakland Raiders' stadium problems makes moving to Los Angeles inevitable. Fans in Los Angeles immediately disappointed, still hope to get a real NFL quality team   (sportingnews.com) divider line 57
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2013-08-16 10:10:12 AM
You're not getting a new stadium anywhere in CA with public money. That ship has sailed. Maybe try Vegas, I here they are used to getting screwed.
 
2013-08-16 10:11:02 AM
How about no.
 
2013-08-16 10:12:29 AM
Are you kidding?  I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that L.A. would Love to have the Raiders back.

Wait, what year is this?
 
2013-08-16 10:16:31 AM
Wow... sure are lots of "could"s and "if"s in TFA... for something that is "inevitable".
 
2013-08-16 10:21:03 AM
So, we should be expecting the Raiders to bounce back and forth between LA and Oakland every couple of decades?
 
2013-08-16 10:27:28 AM
They can move, but they shouldn't be allowed to move back to LA.
 
2013-08-16 10:35:36 AM
LA cannot support an NFL team. This issue and the NFL's push to expand into Europe just seem like they keep beating the same dead horses.
 
2013-08-16 10:40:38 AM

skinink: LA cannot support an NFL team. This issue and the NFL's push to expand into Europe just seem like they keep beating the same dead horses.


Just another example of how some corporate execs/political parties keep inhaling the smoke they blow up their own supporters' asses.
 
2013-08-16 10:40:52 AM
The Los Angeles Raiders of Oakland?
 
2013-08-16 10:44:53 AM
..so the Raiders ruined Oakland Coliseum and are now mad they have to play in a ruined stadium?
 
2013-08-16 10:47:46 AM
London Raiders... I like it.
 
2013-08-16 10:52:00 AM
In order to let them move, they must be required to pay for the re-renovation of the Coliseum. Step 1: removing Mount Davis so fans can see the Oakland Hills again.
 
2013-08-16 10:57:12 AM

skinink: LA cannot support an NFL team. This issue and the NFL's push to expand into Europe just seem like they keep beating the same dead horses.


Whenever a North American sport talks expansion to Europe, it has to be the dumbest idea ever.  There aren't enough days in a week or hours in a day to make it possible.
 
2013-08-16 10:57:31 AM

The Bestest: ..so the Raiders ruined Oakland Coliseum and are now mad they have to play in a ruined stadium?


Oakland Coliseum is a shiathole, for both baseball and football.
 
2013-08-16 11:14:29 AM

WhiskeySticks: Whenever a North American sport talks expansion to Europe, it has to be the dumbest idea ever.  There aren't enough days in a week or hours in a day to make it possible.


Since football plays once per week it's pretty doable.

Not a such big difference between a east coast team flying to Europe or flying to California.

There would be a couple of times per year a team would have to make a really long flight, and they could arrange the schedule for those times to occur before or after a bye week to give the traveling team more time to adjust.

They could allow the European team more games in a row at home/on the road so there's not so much back and forth.

Really it would be pretty damn easy to do.
 
2013-08-16 11:19:29 AM

buckeyebrain: The Bestest: ..so the Raiders ruined Oakland Coliseum and are now mad they have to play in a ruined stadium?

Oakland Coliseum is a shiathole, for both baseball and football.


An easy access shiathole (BART)...
 
2013-08-16 11:24:07 AM

MugzyBrown: WhiskeySticks: Whenever a North American sport talks expansion to Europe, it has to be the dumbest idea ever.  There aren't enough days in a week or hours in a day to make it possible.

Since football plays once per week it's pretty doable.

Not a such big difference between a east coast team flying to Europe or flying to California.

There would be a couple of times per year a team would have to make a really long flight, and they could arrange the schedule for those times to occur before or after a bye week to give the traveling team more time to adjust.

They could allow the European team more games in a row at home/on the road so there's not so much back and forth.

Really it would be pretty damn easy to do.


There are lots of reasons an NFL team in Europe won't happen. The flight time isn't one of them.

The tax situation and player recruitment are two reasons alone why it would never get off the ground.
 
2013-08-16 11:26:16 AM

FrancoFile: The Los Angeles Raiders of Oakland?


I larfed at that one.
 
2013-08-16 11:26:58 AM

stickymichael: player recruitment are two reasons alone why it would never get off the ground


Do you honestly think players would rather play in boring midwest towns like Cincinatti, or Indianapolis, etc than a world class city like London?
 
2013-08-16 11:30:09 AM

buckeyebrain: The Bestest: ..so the Raiders ruined Oakland Coliseum and are now mad they have to play in a ruined stadium?

Oakland Coliseum is a shiathole, for both baseball and football.


Only because of the Raiders and that atrocity Al Davis built in Mount Davis. Completely ruined the stadium. Prior to that, it was actually a fairly good ballpark. Sigh....
 
2013-08-16 11:32:42 AM
I am pretty sure the stadium in LA is just a 3d construct on a computer someone in the NFL offices in New York which they pull out and show to the backwater hicks and politicians of a town, to better extort a new stadium on the tax payers dime.

Would you like to be some god forsaken heck hole that lost its nfl team? Because you could be if the Tennessee Titans Miami Dolphins Atlanta Falcons Oakland Raiders don't get a new stadium built.
 
2013-08-16 11:35:02 AM

MugzyBrown: WhiskeySticks: Whenever a North American sport talks expansion to Europe, it has to be the dumbest idea ever.  There aren't enough days in a week or hours in a day to make it possible.

Since football plays once per week it's pretty doable.

Not a such big difference between a east coast team flying to Europe or flying to California.

There would be a couple of times per year a team would have to make a really long flight, and they could arrange the schedule for those times to occur before or after a bye week to give the traveling team more time to adjust.

They could allow the European team more games in a row at home/on the road so there's not so much back and forth.

Really it would be pretty damn easy to do.


As a regular person traveling, I think long flights suck. I can't imagine having to sit through one after playing a game then looking forward to a week of practice before you do it all over again.  Plus English food sucks...then again, maybe that's just me.
 
2013-08-16 11:45:05 AM

keepitcherry: buckeyebrain: The Bestest: ..so the Raiders ruined Oakland Coliseum and are now mad they have to play in a ruined stadium?

Oakland Coliseum is a shiathole, for both baseball and football.

Only because of the Raiders and that atrocity Al Davis built in Mount Davis. Completely ruined the stadium. Prior to that, it was actually a fairly good ballpark. Sigh....


There are some aspects of its being a shiathole that have nothing to do with the Raiders...

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/raw-sewage-coliseum - forces-athletics-mariners-share-oakland-065912101.html
 
2013-08-16 11:55:33 AM

FrancoFile: The Los Angeles Raiders of Oakland?


I just hate the long drive up to Bakersfield to watch the home games.
 
2013-08-16 11:57:50 AM

skinink: LA cannot support an NFL team.


They were supporting the Raiders.   They averaged 52k per game their last season there.     Al Davis had a weird personal fixation on getting out of LA Memorial Coloseum because it was a thousand years old, crumbling, provided no luxory box revenue and made even 50k crowds look sparse because it held 75k people.  He couldn't get anyone to fund a new stadium in LA for him.    Which were all valid reasons to move the team I suppose, had he not moved back into to a worse situation in Oakland and cut off his nose to spite his face.   But he was driven to go back to Oakland out of sentimentality and nostalgia, and there weren't many other options.
 
2013-08-16 12:05:06 PM

stickymichael: MugzyBrown: WhiskeySticks: Whenever a North American sport talks expansion to Europe, it has to be the dumbest idea ever.  There aren't enough days in a week or hours in a day to make it possible.

Since football plays once per week it's pretty doable.

Not a such big difference between a east coast team flying to Europe or flying to California.

There would be a couple of times per year a team would have to make a really long flight, and they could arrange the schedule for those times to occur before or after a bye week to give the traveling team more time to adjust.

They could allow the European team more games in a row at home/on the road so there's not so much back and forth.

Really it would be pretty damn easy to do.

There are lots of reasons an NFL team in Europe won't happen. The flight time isn't one of them.

The tax situation and player recruitment are two reasons alone why it would never get off the ground.


Yep, especially in London,  The UK taxes any non resident athlete's salary AND endorsement income.   It could work in a league with a billionaire owner who doesn't give a fark about having to outspend market rate to attract every player, but it would never working in the NFL with the hardest, most punitive salary cap in professional sports.
 
2013-08-16 12:11:12 PM

MugzyBrown: stickymichael: player recruitment are two reasons alone why it would never get off the ground

Do you honestly think players would rather play in boring midwest towns like Cincinatti, or Indianapolis, etc than a world class city like London?


If I'm a player, I'm sure as hell not going to a team that requires flying for 16-24 hours every other week unless they are paying me way better money than everyone else.
 
2013-08-16 12:32:14 PM

Lost Thought 00: Maybe try Vegas, I here they are used to getting screwed.


www.virginmedia.com

And you'll get 5 3/4%!  That's gross, not net!
 
2013-08-16 12:32:35 PM
Contract the team. The Davises have been a boil on the butt of the NFL since they joined the league. Enough is enough. Liquidate the assets, knock down Mount Davis, and sow their practice fields with salt.

/Bronco fan
 
2013-08-16 12:35:25 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: /Bronco fan


so you're a penis.
 
2013-08-16 12:40:18 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: /Bronco fan

so you're a penis.


I'll have you know that I'm less than .0000004% penis by weight.
 
2013-08-16 12:51:21 PM
I know this has zero bearing on the thread, but I had to comment on this. I have the Jags/Dolphins game on in the background, and the Jags have, bar none, the worst offense I think I've seen. I watched every snap of the 2011 Colts season too. I know it's preseason, but I'm embarrassed for the players and fans pre-emptively for this season, even more than I normally am for the Jags.
 
2013-08-16 12:52:39 PM

flak attack: MugzyBrown: stickymichael: player recruitment are two reasons alone why it would never get off the ground

Do you honestly think players would rather play in boring midwest towns like Cincinatti, or Indianapolis, etc than a world class city like London?

If I'm a player, I'm sure as hell not going to a team that requires flying for 16-24 hours every other week unless they are paying me way better money than everyone else.


upload.wikimedia.org

/wants to put a couple of teams in the US
 
2013-08-16 01:05:29 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The All-Powerful Atheismo: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: /Bronco fan

so you're a penis.

I'll have you know that I'm less than .0000004% penis by weight.


I hope it's because your penis is small and not because you weigh 50 tons, because that would scare the shiat out of me
 
2013-08-16 01:20:16 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The All-Powerful Atheismo: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: /Bronco fan

so you're a penis.

I'll have you know that I'm less than .0000004% penis by weight.

I hope it's because your penis is small and not because you weigh 50 tons, because that would scare the shiat out of me


It may be small, but it gets hard as a pencil!
 
2013-08-16 01:35:19 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: /Bronco fan

so you're a penis.


That goes into the Raiders dry twice a year.
 
2013-08-16 01:36:18 PM

Wadded Beef: The All-Powerful Atheismo: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: /Bronco fan

so you're a penis.

That goes into the Raiders dry twice a year.


Well I'm not a huge football fan, but I WILL say that they only pro game I've ever gone to see, the Raiders killed the cowboys 24-14.
 
2013-08-16 01:36:54 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Wadded Beef: The All-Powerful Atheismo: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: /Bronco fan

so you're a penis.

That goes into the Raiders dry twice a year.

Well I'm not a huge football fan, but I WILL say that they only pro game I've ever gone to see, the Raiders killed the cowboys 24-14.


Broncos I mean.  Not cowboys.
 
2013-08-16 01:44:16 PM
I can't think of a witty headline, so any of you may feel free to submit this, but pro football actually is returning to LA!*
a.espncdn.com
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nfl/story/_/id/9571497/members-kiss-b uy -stake-la-arena-expansion-franchise

*of Anaheim
 
2013-08-16 01:45:53 PM

SpartacusHobbs: keepitcherry: buckeyebrain: The Bestest: ..so the Raiders ruined Oakland Coliseum and are now mad they have to play in a ruined stadium?

Oakland Coliseum is a shiathole, for both baseball and football.

Only because of the Raiders and that atrocity Al Davis built in Mount Davis. Completely ruined the stadium. Prior to that, it was actually a fairly good ballpark. Sigh....

There are some aspects of its being a shiathole that have nothing to do with the Raiders...

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/raw-sewage-coliseum - forces-athletics-mariners-share-oakland-065912101.html


Lol I was trying to forget that ever happened, man...I'm an A's fan.
 
2013-08-16 01:50:25 PM
I grew up rooting for the Los Angeles Raiders. You know, the last team that won a Super Bowl. Even though I don't live in LA anymore and have enjoyed myself a few games at the Oakland Coloseum I'm OK with them moving back to LA. It makes sense with the fan base that is still there.

The problem is still where do they put a stadium that won't be a total PITA to get to in LA? I love the Memorial Coloseum but it isn't a good fit in today's luxury stadium atmosphere and traffic is a nightmare. If you put it way out in San Bernardino County it isn't really LA anymore and it's too damn far for most people to want to make that drive. Is there room in Chavez Ravine next to Dodger Stadium?
 
2013-08-16 02:23:52 PM

keepitcherry: buckeyebrain: The Bestest: ..so the Raiders ruined Oakland Coliseum and are now mad they have to play in a ruined stadium?

Oakland Coliseum is a shiathole, for both baseball and football.

Only because of the Raiders and that atrocity Al Davis built in Mount Davis. Completely ruined the stadium. Prior to that, it was actually a fairly good ballpark. Sigh....


Come on, now....it's not all Al Davis' fault here. Lew Wolfe deserves a huge chunk of the blame if the Raiders move. There would have been a new set of stadiums for the Raiders and the A's finished by now along the waterfront if Wolfe weren't the second biggest douche in the MLB next to Bud Selig.
 
2013-08-16 02:59:25 PM

lacrossestar83: I can't think of a witty headline, so any of you may feel free to submit this, but pro football actually is returning to LA!*
[a.espncdn.com image 600x400]
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nfl/story/_/id/9571497/members-kiss-b uy -stake-la-arena-expansion-franchise

*of Anaheim


Dammit I thought I was going to get to break that news.

/embarrassing for KISS AND the league
 
2013-08-16 02:59:26 PM

SafetyThird: Is there room in Chavez Ravine next to Dodger Stadium?


If they restructured that giant parking lot into a series of garages, yes. However, I think the Dodgers own that whole plot of land, and I'd doubt they'd sell any part of it for cheap.
 
2013-08-16 03:13:34 PM

IAmRight: lacrossestar83: I can't think of a witty headline, so any of you may feel free to submit this, but pro football actually is returning to LA!*
[a.espncdn.com image 600x400]
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nfl/story/_/id/9571497/members-kiss-b uy -stake-la-arena-expansion-franchise

*of Anaheim

Dammit I thought I was going to get to break that news.

/embarrassing for KISS AND the league


Damn.  How many Arenaball teams are there now?  64?
 
2013-08-16 04:34:32 PM
InmanRoshi: skinink: LA cannot support an NFL team.

They were supporting the Raiders. They averaged 52k per game their last season there. Al Davis had a weird personal fixation on getting out of LA Memorial Coliseum because it was a thousand years old, crumbling, provided no luxory box revenue and made even 50k crowds look sparse because it held 75k people. He couldn't get anyone to fund a new stadium in LA for him


The Coliseum held 85,000 for football in those days.

I'm tired of this "El Lay can't support an NFL team" bullshiat. I give you the two owners who tried to extort stadiums out of the taxpayers here:

First off, the Mobbed-Up Prostitute Lounge Singer:

cdn.ph.upi.com

Tried to extort a new stadium out of the City of Los Angeles > moved to Anaheim, ruining a great baseball stadium by turning it in to horrible baseball AND football stadium > drove away their star RB, Eric Dickerson > St. Louis!

Then there's this homunculus:

themadchuck.files.wordpress.com

Tried to extort stadiums out of Los Angeles, Inglewood (at Hollywood Park) and actually got the bumpkins out in Irwindale to hand him $10 milllion before he buggered off back to that shiathole in the East Bay.

AEG tried to extort a stadium out of the city in the early 2000's but Joel Wachs said "not a penny for billionaires" > the project was dead within days. I did some temp work for AEG, I saw the stadium model in a conference room, just thrown in to a corner with files and boxes, that's how much they cared.

No taxpayer money for billionaires. Period.
 
2013-08-16 04:40:15 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: keepitcherry: buckeyebrain: The Bestest: ..so the Raiders ruined Oakland Coliseum and are now mad they have to play in a ruined stadium?

Oakland Coliseum is a shiathole, for both baseball and football.

Only because of the Raiders and that atrocity Al Davis built in Mount Davis. Completely ruined the stadium. Prior to that, it was actually a fairly good ballpark. Sigh....

Come on, now....it's not all Al Davis' fault here. Lew Wolfe deserves a huge chunk of the blame if the Raiders move. There would have been a new set of stadiums for the Raiders and the A's finished by now along the waterfront if Wolfe weren't the second biggest douche in the MLB next to Bud Selig.


Very true, that guys a prick too.
 
2013-08-16 05:25:08 PM
Too any 3rd worlders to support a NFL team.... No L.A. I was speaking about Tampa.
 
2013-08-16 06:07:38 PM
And the new stadium down the road from the Raiders offered them a share in the venue.  The 9ers and Raiders in the same stadium like the Giants and Jets.  But the Raiders and their fans said "No thanks."  So go, who needs you.
 
2013-08-16 06:35:00 PM
A few things...

Well if they won't leave it just won't be the same. The Steelers are my team and my Dad would tell me stories on how this was the biggest rivalry of the 1970s. The rivalry really wasn't there when the Raiders were in Los Angeles.

Never been to California but my Dad went on a business trip to San Francisco 20 years ago and told me SF was nice and glamorous and Oakland was a impoverished ghetto. Perhaps Oakland really does not have any money to keep the Raiders if it is still a poor area.

The only thing I will miss about the Raiders is the Black Hole. The fans amuse me with how they dress.
 
2013-08-16 07:40:19 PM
kdawg7736: Never been to California but my Dad went on a business trip to San Francisco 20 years ago and told me SF was nice and glamorous and Oakland was a impoverished ghetto. Perhaps Oakland really does not have any money to keep the Raiders if it is still a poor area.

It's a little more complicated than that. Yes, San Francisco is very nice in parts and there's a strong music/culture scene there, but there's also shiatty areas within the (415) (see: the Tenderloin and Haight). What SF has is location, location, location, going across the Golden Gate Bridge towards Sausalito, looking toward Tiburon is breathtaking. What's not breathtaking is all the drug addicts and homeless who physically threaten you at BART stations if you don't cough up some loot because, you know, maaaaan, anything that puts rules on the homelessEver is like Naziism.

Oakland is incredible in the hills, the flatlands, not so much. It would be obscene to ask an impoverished city like Croakland to pay a dime to keep a stupid pro sports team (much as I love sports).

The article is lame, it doesn't really get in to details about the stadium issue here in Los Angeles. The Ed Roski proposal out in Industry is dead in the water. It's too far away from the big bucks (Beverly Hills, the Westside, coastal Orange County) that they need to buy PSL and luxury boxes and, well, Industry. The AEG Farmers Field deal at Staples Center seems dead too now that Tim Leiweke left/was ousted at AEG. Once again, a bazillionaire, Philip Anschutz, isn't willing to build a stadium without taxpayer help. Ding ding ding! Wrong answer, AEG.
 
2013-08-16 07:52:55 PM

Henry Holland: kdawg7736: Never been to California but my Dad went on a business trip to San Francisco 20 years ago and told me SF was nice and glamorous and Oakland was a impoverished ghetto. Perhaps Oakland really does not have any money to keep the Raiders if it is still a poor area.

It's a little more complicated than that. Yes, San Francisco is very nice in parts and there's a strong music/culture scene there, but there's also shiatty areas within the (415) (see: the Tenderloin and Haight). What SF has is location, location, location, going across the Golden Gate Bridge towards Sausalito, looking toward Tiburon is breathtaking. What's not breathtaking is all the drug addicts and homeless who physically threaten you at BART stations if you don't cough up some loot because, you know, maaaaan, anything that puts rules on the homelessEver is like Naziism.

Oakland is incredible in the hills, the flatlands, not so much. It would be obscene to ask an impoverished city like Croakland to pay a dime to keep a stupid pro sports team (much as I love sports).

The article is lame, it doesn't really get in to details about the stadium issue here in Los Angeles. The Ed Roski proposal out in Industry is dead in the water. It's too far away from the big bucks (Beverly Hills, the Westside, coastal Orange County) that they need to buy PSL and luxury boxes and, well, Industry. The AEG Farmers Field deal at Staples Center seems dead too now that Tim Leiweke left/was ousted at AEG. Once again, a bazillionaire, Philip Anschutz, isn't willing to build a stadium without taxpayer help. Ding ding ding! Wrong answer, AEG.


That is what I was thinking. They want money from the taxpayers to fund their stadiums or pull out. To fund the Pittsburgh Penguins's new arena a deal was made where slot machine revenue would help fund it. I know Vegas and Reno are nearby but it wouldn't be a bad idea, at least if there is/were casinos in Northern California. That would take pressure off the residents of the area when it comes to funding. Just a thought.
 
2013-08-16 08:14:48 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Contract the team. The Davises have been a boil on the butt of the NFL since they joined the league. Enough is enough. Liquidate the assets, knock down Mount Davis, and sow their practice fields with salt.

/Bronco fan


Heaven forbid an owner create a villian for the rest of the league to balance out the choirboy image the other teams were trying to put on in the 60's and 70's while being a top 5 merchandising team until about 10 years ago.  That would be the worst thing ever helping create the NFL brand and selling gobs of merchandise to line the other owner's pockets.
 
2013-08-16 08:40:13 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Contract the team. The Davises have been a boil on the butt of the NFL since they joined the league. Enough is enough. Liquidate the assets, knock down Mount Davis, and sow their practice fields with salt.

/Bronco fan

Heaven forbid an owner create a villian for the rest of the league to balance out the choirboy image the other teams were trying to put on in the 60's and 70's while being a top 5 merchandising team until about 10 years ago.  That would be the worst thing ever helping create the NFL brand and selling gobs of merchandise to line the other owner's pockets.


Oh, I have other reasons also. I'm an Oakland A's fan, and that alone is enough for me to hate the Raiders for eternity. Keep your damned football out of my baseball.

/BTW, I have you Farkied as "Cool Raider Fan" which is the highest compliment I've EVER paid a Raider fan. :)
//honestly, football would be a lot more boring without the Raiders because I'd have to direct all my vitriol at the Chiefs
 
2013-08-16 09:30:00 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: /BTW, I have you Farkied as "Cool Raider Fan" which is the highest compliment I've EVER paid a Raider fan. :)
//honestly, football would be a lot more boring without the Raiders because I'd have to direct all my vitriol at the Chiefs


Holy crap... Bronco and Raider fans not at each other's throats- and thanks for the compliment.  It isn't too much of a stretch as we can both agree the Chiefs will always find a way to screw things up no matter how great they look.

/I mean, c'mon...playoffs?!?
//Somebody cue Jim Mora
 
2013-08-16 09:36:28 PM

kdawg7736: Henry Holland: kdawg7736: Never been to California but my Dad went on a business trip to San Francisco 20 years ago and told me SF was nice and glamorous and Oakland was a impoverished ghetto. Perhaps Oakland really does not have any money to keep the Raiders if it is still a poor area.

It's a little more complicated than that. Yes, San Francisco is very nice in parts and there's a strong music/culture scene there, but there's also shiatty areas within the (415) (see: the Tenderloin and Haight). What SF has is location, location, location, going across the Golden Gate Bridge towards Sausalito, looking toward Tiburon is breathtaking. What's not breathtaking is all the drug addicts and homeless who physically threaten you at BART stations if you don't cough up some loot because, you know, maaaaan, anything that puts rules on the homelessEver is like Naziism.

Oakland is incredible in the hills, the flatlands, not so much. It would be obscene to ask an impoverished city like Croakland to pay a dime to keep a stupid pro sports team (much as I love sports).

The article is lame, it doesn't really get in to details about the stadium issue here in Los Angeles. The Ed Roski proposal out in Industry is dead in the water. It's too far away from the big bucks (Beverly Hills, the Westside, coastal Orange County) that they need to buy PSL and luxury boxes and, well, Industry. The AEG Farmers Field deal at Staples Center seems dead too now that Tim Leiweke left/was ousted at AEG. Once again, a bazillionaire, Philip Anschutz, isn't willing to build a stadium without taxpayer help. Ding ding ding! Wrong answer, AEG.

That is what I was thinking. They want money from the taxpayers to fund their stadiums or pull out. To fund the Pittsburgh Penguins's new arena a deal was made where slot machine revenue would help fund it. I know Vegas and Reno are nearby but it wouldn't be a bad idea, at least if there is/were casinos in Northern California. That would take pressure off the residents of the area when it comes to funding. Just a thought.


There are very few times that taxpayer money should be involved. I supported Indy building Lucas because the RCA Dome had to go. The convention center HAD to expand and it made sense. I knew a lot of people who went back to school because the convention business had dried up and the supporting businesses were dying. The conventions had outgrown Indy and hosting the Superbowl let them know that the city could host them again as well. I think GenCon was the biggest convention at the time. Indy wants to be a convention city and Lucas made a lot of sense since the Colts lease had to be bought up for the city to proceed anyway. But there are very few cases like that. Usually I'm against taxpayer subsidies of sports facilities unless the taxpayers will own it outright and the team leases it.

I wish cities and states would just grow backbones and say no unless it is part of a larger economic vision. People will spend their money regardless.
 
2013-08-17 02:18:04 AM

Ken VeryBigLiar: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: /BTW, I have you Farkied as "Cool Raider Fan" which is the highest compliment I've EVER paid a Raider fan. :)
//honestly, football would be a lot more boring without the Raiders because I'd have to direct all my vitriol at the Chiefs

Holy crap... Bronco and Raider fans not at each other's throats- and thanks for the compliment.  It isn't too much of a stretch as we can both agree the Chiefs will always find a way to screw things up no matter how great they look.

/I mean, c'mon...playoffs?!?
//Somebody cue Jim Mora


They always talk about rivalries, but I think the Denver-Oakland-Kansas City rivalry is the only three-way hate-fest I can think of. If you get a Raider fan and a Chiefs fan together (perhaps using a telephone would be safer), they'll both agree that they hate the Broncos. Bronco fan and a Raider fan, they both hate the Chiefs. Bronco and a Chiefs fan, both hate the Raiders. Best three-way rivalry in sports. The Chargers don't even enter into it. They're the tag-along little brothers; even if they win the division, I still can't work up a good pure hatred against 'em.
 
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