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(Quirk Books)   Lose the Force, Luke: Six alternative religions in the Star Wars universe   (quirkbooks.com) divider line 31
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2013-08-16 12:56:12 PM
That reads like bad Star Wars fan fiction.

/good Star Wars fan fiction is called The Expanded Universe
 
2013-08-16 12:58:10 PM
Cult of the Death Stick?
 
2013-08-16 01:00:22 PM
How the hell can "the Force" be considered a "religion" in the Star Wars universe? There is verifiable evidence that its practitioners can actually do incredible shiat while channeling the force. That word "verifiable" should immediately preclude any mention of religion.
 
2013-08-16 01:01:59 PM
God that was bad, and they forgot this one.  At least it actually showed up in several video games

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Scorekeeper
 
2013-08-16 01:03:26 PM
The Force isn't religion. It is microorganisms in the blood.
 
2013-08-16 01:05:27 PM
Do they practice the ancient religion of worshipping human excrement?
 
2013-08-16 01:36:26 PM

un4gvn666: How the hell can "the Force" be considered a "religion" in the Star Wars universe?


I find your lack of faith disturbing.

God, I love that line.  Im gonna force choke a biatch while laying one of the mildest rebukes possible on him.  That's the kind of stuff that made the original so awesome.
 
2013-08-16 01:38:28 PM

un4gvn666: How the hell can "the Force" be considered a "religion" in the Star Wars universe? There is verifiable evidence that its practitioners can actually do incredible shiat while channeling the force. That word "verifiable" should immediately preclude any mention of religion.


People practicing different mutually exclusive religions can do the same things though. Sun worship isn't vindicated just because the sun always does start coming back right after their midwinter sacrifice ceremony.
 
2013-08-16 01:40:48 PM

unlikely: The Force isn't religion. It is microorganisms in the blood.


Star Wars never said that. There was allusion that microorganisms in the blood correlate to a person's ability to use the force, but that's it.
 
2013-08-16 01:56:01 PM
Shouldn't the force be viewed as something like a resource and the Jedi and the Sith be considered something like competing philosophical views?
 
2013-08-16 02:05:01 PM

Gergesa: Shouldn't the force be viewed as something like a resource and the Jedi and the Sith be considered something like competing philosophical views?


Competing philosophies, yes - a bit more like Zoroastrianism, though, with the light side and the dark side.

The light side says "be selfless; serve (hu)man(ity)'s needs".
The dark side says "be selfish; serve your own needs".

Just like people who believe in the same representative democracy may have vastly different ideas on how to achieve or implement it, The Force (human spirit?) has no will of its own. What people choose to do with it - how they choose to use positions of government - is purely a function of choice.

// because Star Wars didn't have enough politics in it
// well, 4-6 don't, I guess
 
2013-08-16 02:05:28 PM

jonny_q: unlikely: The Force isn't religion. It is microorganisms in the blood.

Star Wars never said that. There was allusion that microorganisms in the blood correlate to a person's ability to use the force, but that's it.


That might have held after TPM, but as soon as they autonomously force-Impregnated Shmee to make Virgin-Birth-Vader, that's no longer correct. They are the Force, the Force is them.
 
2013-08-16 02:06:07 PM

Gergesa: Shouldn't the force be viewed as something like a resource and the Jedi and the Sith be considered something like competing philosophical views?


Y'know, it just so happens that I was debating this point with a couple of my nerdier friends just yesterday. The gist of it though is that, yes, that's pretty much exactly how it works.

The main difference between the Jedi and the Sith are their philosophies in regard to emotion, with Jedi seeing it as a weakness that clouds one's judgment while the Sith see it as something to be harnessed.
 
2013-08-16 02:10:48 PM
Vergere was one of the most interesting things to ever happen to the light/dark dichotomy.
 
2013-08-16 02:24:23 PM

unlikely: That might have held after TPM, but as soon as they autonomously force-Impregnated Shmee to make Virgin-Birth-Vader, that's no longer correct. They are the Force, the Force is them.


Same movie, and really even before the scene where "midiclorians" are mentioned. I still think that's a stretch.
 
2013-08-16 02:35:00 PM

Ned Stark: un4gvn666: How the hell can "the Force" be considered a "religion" in the Star Wars universe? There is verifiable evidence that its practitioners can actually do incredible shiat while channeling the force. That word "verifiable" should immediately preclude any mention of religion.

People practicing different mutually exclusive religions can do the same things though. Sun worship isn't vindicated just because the sun always does start coming back right after their midwinter sacrifice ceremony.


I don't see how "observing the sun rising every morning" is equivalent to "jumping many stories, running at superhuman speeds, controlling people's minds, predicting the future, and wielding a laser sword with pinpoint precision". Like, not even close.
 
2013-08-16 02:35:38 PM
That was bad, and I should know, I'm a follower of the Cat religion from the first season of 'Red Dwarf'.

/I don't believe it was really Figi.
 
2013-08-16 02:53:57 PM

Great Janitor: That was bad, and I should know, I'm a follower of the Cat religion from the first season of 'Red Dwarf'.

/I don't believe it was really Figi.


Are you a blue hat or a red hat?
 
2013-08-16 03:14:09 PM

darkman2000: Great Janitor: That was bad, and I should know, I'm a follower of the Cat religion from the first season of 'Red Dwarf'.

/I don't believe it was really Figi.

Are you a blue hat or a red hat?


Red
 
2013-08-16 03:16:20 PM
Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. No mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense. Well, except for 20 years ago when the Jedi were all over testing kids and fighting evil with levitation, clairvoyance, mind control, prescience, superhuman strength and speed, and even stranger powers.
 
2013-08-16 03:30:15 PM

un4gvn666: Ned Stark: un4gvn666: How the hell can "the Force" be considered a "religion" in the Star Wars universe? There is verifiable evidence that its practitioners can actually do incredible shiat while channeling the force. That word "verifiable" should immediately preclude any mention of religion.

People practicing different mutually exclusive religions can do the same things though. Sun worship isn't vindicated just because the sun always does start coming back right after their midwinter sacrifice ceremony.

I don't see how "observing the sun rising every morning" is equivalent to "jumping many stories, running at superhuman speeds, controlling people's minds, predicting the future, and wielding a laser sword with pinpoint precision". Like, not even close.


What's this shiat about "observing"? They called to the sun and offered it that goat's heart and it came back. Light and warmth were returned to the world and every single living being was saved from a horrifying death from starvation and freezing. This happens on a yearly basis. Praise the glorious sun!

It really isn't in the same tier as running fast I guess.
 
2013-08-16 03:51:45 PM

un4gvn666: How the hell can "the Force" be considered a "religion" in the Star Wars universe? There is verifiable evidence that its practitioners can actually do incredible shiat while channeling the force. That word "verifiable" should immediately preclude any mention of religion.


Is "channeling the Force" actually what they're doing? Even if it is, what is the Force, anyway? Where does it come from? How should it be used? There's plenty of room to build up a religion around that: several competing religions, in fact. There's also plenty of room to believe that "the Force" is not what any of these religions think it is.
 
2013-08-16 04:50:50 PM

Millennium: un4gvn666: How the hell can "the Force" be considered a "religion" in the Star Wars universe? There is verifiable evidence that its practitioners can actually do incredible shiat while channeling the force. That word "verifiable" should immediately preclude any mention of religion.

Is "channeling the Force" actually what they're doing? Even if it is, what is the Force, anyway? Where does it come from? How should it be used? There's plenty of room to build up a religion around that: several competing religions, in fact. There's also plenty of room to believe that "the Force" is not what any of these religions think it is.


Yeah.  I've been out of the EU loop for a long time now, but don't we now have a whole boat-load of other Force-related outfits that are neither Jedi nor Sith?  There is even a non-sentient animal species that hunts with the Force, if I remember correctly.  So "The Force" might not itself be a religion, but the Jedi and Sith (and whatever else) certainly are.
 
2013-08-16 05:57:37 PM

Millennium: un4gvn666: How the hell can "the Force" be considered a "religion" in the Star Wars universe? There is verifiable evidence that its practitioners can actually do incredible shiat while channeling the force. That word "verifiable" should immediately preclude any mention of religion.

Is "channeling the Force" actually what they're doing? Even if it is, what is the Force, anyway? Where does it come from? How should it be used? There's plenty of room to build up a religion around that: several competing religions, in fact. There's also plenty of room to believe that "the Force" is not what any of these religions think it is.


It would only expose it as the cheap knockoff of 'Qi' from eastern belief that it is.

Which is also somewhat verified.
 
2013-08-16 06:06:07 PM
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2013-08-16 06:34:47 PM

Great Janitor: darkman2000: Great Janitor: That was bad, and I should know, I'm a follower of the Cat religion from the first season of 'Red Dwarf'.

/I don't believe it was really Figi.

Are you a blue hat or a red hat?

Red


Opinions on the source of the asteroid?
 
2013-08-16 06:35:23 PM

DORMAMU: Great Janitor: darkman2000: Great Janitor: That was bad, and I should know, I'm a follower of the Cat religion from the first season of 'Red Dwarf'.

/I don't believe it was really Figi.

Are you a blue hat or a red hat?

Red

Opinions on the source of the asteroid?


Almost forgot, they were supposed to be green
 
2013-08-16 07:26:55 PM

J. Frank Parnell

It would only expose it as the cheap knockoff of 'Qi' from eastern belief that it is.

Which is also somewhat verified.


o.O Not sure if serious.
 
2013-08-16 10:02:08 PM
Oh for the love of... Just go here.
 
2013-08-17 03:29:58 PM
The Force would be considered a type of animatism. By itself, The Force would be considered a type of spiritualism. If you add ceremonies with prescribed actions, specialists who help others, and rules of how to recognize/use/revere The Force, you could then consider it a religion.
 
2013-08-18 12:48:25 AM
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