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(NYPost)   123-year-old Bolivian man may be oldest living person ever documented - attributes his longevity to walking a lot and going out with animals. Wait, what?   (nypost.com) divider line 44
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2013-08-15 11:39:33 PM
Richard Gere will be happy.
 
2013-08-15 11:54:06 PM
Carmelo Flores Laura
speaks no Spanish


So... what does he think his name is then?
 
2013-08-16 12:35:47 AM
FTA: "The native Aymara lives in a straw-roofed dirt-floor hut in an isolated hamlet near Lake Titicaca at 13,100 feet [...]Hobbling down a dirt path, Flores greets them with a raised arm, smiles and sits down on a rock. His gums bulge with coca leaf, a mild stimulant that staves off hunger. Like most Bolivian highlands peasants, he has been chewing it all his life."

So he spent his whole life at HIGH altitude - and ON COCA?

Low oxygen + good "medicine" = long life.


/Easy as 123
 
2013-08-16 12:36:04 AM
You might think he's a wise old man, but the goats know hes a very baaaaaaad boy.
 
2013-08-16 12:36:41 AM
image.toutlecine.com
 
2013-08-16 12:37:50 AM
www.nypost.com

You are now imagining this man's scrotum.
 
2013-08-16 12:43:16 AM
My grandfather said that the secret to a long life is to walk slowly, and drink plenty of water.

He died pretty young, though, since he mostly just sat in his chair and drank plenty of cheap whisky.
 
2013-08-16 12:44:59 AM
Did he look as shocked as this when he found out?

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2013-08-16 12:48:52 AM
I doubt this one will be verified -- the registrar supposedly has the baptismal certificate but won't show it (I'd like to know when the registry was made) the guy himself can't say for certain how old he is, and his child is 67 and grandchild is 23, meaning that they were born when he was 53 and 100 years old. While that's certainly possible, I'm guessing it's more likely that the guy is around 100 years old (impressive enough, especially in those living conditions) and the legend has been embellished over the years. There's nothing to preclude his having fought in the Chaco War, either -- if he's about 100 now, he would have been 20 then.
 
2013-08-16 12:49:39 AM
images3.wikia.nocookie.net

Amateur.
 
2013-08-16 01:00:21 AM
FTA : The water Flores drinks originates on the snow-capped peak of Illampu


Clearly the secret to his longevity.


"I don't eat noodles or rice


That and no carbs.
 
2013-08-16 01:03:54 AM
"For the state, the baptism certificate is valid," Condori said. He said he couldn't show Flores' baptism certificate to the AP because it is a private document.

C'mon! That's the entire reason behind this report! He's just some old toothless crank with a story about as smelly as that chaw-encrusted breath of his.
 
2013-08-16 01:15:30 AM
Lothar of the Hill People approves.
 
2013-08-16 01:16:40 AM
"He sorely misses his wife, who died more than a decade ago."

So assuming "more than a decade" refers to between 10 and 20 years, did she also die at over 100 years old? Or was she 30, 40, 50+ years his junior? That sly old dog.
 
2013-08-16 01:18:07 AM
I don't think I'd want to be that old, if I wasn't in full control of my faculties. Especially out in the middle of some rice paddy somewhere where my life was just a blur of the same old same old every single day and no access to information or news or the Internet. One hundred twenty three years of drudgery. That's not the life for me.

One custom in Japan is to eat soba on New Years to celebrate a long life. The noodle represents the long life. But as for me and my family, we eat udon. The thick and short noodle works for us. Better to live a short, fulfilled life than a long and empty one.
 
Esn
2013-08-16 01:21:53 AM

RenownedCurator: I doubt this one will be verified -- the registrar supposedly has the baptismal certificate but won't show it (I'd like to know when the registry was made) the guy himself can't say for certain how old he is, and his child is 67 and grandchild is 23, meaning that they were born when he was 53 and 100 years old. While that's certainly possible, I'm guessing it's more likely that the guy is around 100 years old (impressive enough, especially in those living conditions) and the legend has been embellished over the years. There's nothing to preclude his having fought in the Chaco War, either -- if he's about 100 now, he would have been 20 then.


The 67-year-old is the only child of his who's still alive. He had other children that are dead now.
 
2013-08-16 01:22:39 AM
Why would anybody want to live that long, especially if you have to be shriveled, toothless, deaf and blind?
 
2013-08-16 01:24:28 AM

Esn: RenownedCurator: I doubt this one will be verified -- the registrar supposedly has the baptismal certificate but won't show it (I'd like to know when the registry was made) the guy himself can't say for certain how old he is, and his child is 67 and grandchild is 23, meaning that they were born when he was 53 and 100 years old. While that's certainly possible, I'm guessing it's more likely that the guy is around 100 years old (impressive enough, especially in those living conditions) and the legend has been embellished over the years. There's nothing to preclude his having fought in the Chaco War, either -- if he's about 100 now, he would have been 20 then.

The 67-year-old is the only child of his who's still alive. He had other children that are dead now.


That's not a fair metric, though. He killed them to eat their souls.
 
2013-08-16 01:26:28 AM

Esn: RenownedCurator: I doubt this one will be verified -- the registrar supposedly has the baptismal certificate but won't show it (I'd like to know when the registry was made) the guy himself can't say for certain how old he is, and his child is 67 and grandchild is 23, meaning that they were born when he was 53 and 100 years old. While that's certainly possible, I'm guessing it's more likely that the guy is around 100 years old (impressive enough, especially in those living conditions) and the legend has been embellished over the years. There's nothing to preclude his having fought in the Chaco War, either -- if he's about 100 now, he would have been 20 then.

The 67-year-old is the only child of his who's still alive. He had other children that are dead now.


You're right. Still, people don't usually have children over that huge a time span. Again, I'm not saying it's impossible -- lots of men have kids in their fifties -- just that considering the lack of available documentation it would be much stronger circumstantial evidence if he had a child who was, or who would have been, 90 or something close to it.
 
2013-08-16 01:43:10 AM
Does he eat dinner at 4pm?
 
2013-08-16 01:50:14 AM
Geez, 123 is not his age.  It is the highest he can count to.
 
2013-08-16 01:54:13 AM
That's a hard looking 123.

/got nuthin'
 
2013-08-16 02:08:41 AM

The One True TheDavid: Why would anybody want to live that long, especially if you have to be shriveled, toothless, deaf and blind?


Well, he could take up pinball...

 
2013-08-16 02:16:37 AM
The waters of Lake Titicaca ...  laughter is the best medicine, even if it is juvenile humor.
 
2013-08-16 02:22:51 AM
He's obviously lying because the world's oldest person died in June. I read that on CNN.
 
2013-08-16 03:16:26 AM
I sure would like to try some coca leaves some day, or even the soda or wine they make with it. They say it's akin to a cup of coffee.
 
2013-08-16 03:25:04 AM
So what I'm getting out of this is that you really can live forever by having cocaine every day.
 
2013-08-16 03:30:48 AM

Amos Quito: FTA: "The native Aymara lives in a straw-roofed dirt-floor hut in an isolated hamlet near Lake Titicaca at 13,100 feet [...]Hobbling down a dirt path, Flores greets them with a raised arm, smiles and sits down on a rock. His gums bulge with coca leaf, a mild stimulant that staves off hunger. Like most Bolivian highlands peasants, he has been chewing it all his life."

So he spent his whole life at HIGH altitude - and ON COCA?

Low oxygen + good "medicine" = long life.


/Easy as 123


Sweeeeeeeet? My life of cocaine use and high alpine winter sports will totally pay off!

/fark off guidance/drug abuse councelors...I got this.
 
2013-08-16 03:33:16 AM
So booze, tobacco, or redmeat? Yeah Ill pass. One needs to consider quality of life and not just quantity, Id tather live 60 Hunter S Thompson years than 123 Mr Rodgers years
 
2013-08-16 03:59:34 AM
Mostly genetics. I saw an interview with a geriatric doctor who was speaking about diet. He explained it like this: there is evidence that a very low calorie diet may help extend life, if the person is receiving adequate nutrients and vitamins. Also, there aren't any particular foods that have been proven to significantly extend life, but a bad diet can do much to shorten someone's life by possibly causing heart disease or cancer.
 
2013-08-16 04:01:53 AM
I think he's only about 79, but living in Bolivia just makes it SEEM like 123.

And yes, he eats dinner at 4 p.m. so he can watch Matlock at 4:30 and be in bed by 6 sharp and rise 10 hours later at 4 a.m.
 
2013-08-16 04:01:59 AM
Toga! Toga! Toga!
 
2013-08-16 05:53:03 AM
In Paraguay, there's a man with a funny moustache who is two years older than him.
 
2013-08-16 07:18:23 AM

RenownedCurator: I doubt this one will be verified -- the registrar supposedly has the baptismal certificate but won't show it (I'd like to know when the registry was made) the guy himself can't say for certain how old he is, and his child is 67 and grandchild is 23, meaning that they were born when he was 53 and 100 years old. While that's certainly possible, I'm guessing it's more likely that the guy is around 100 years old (impressive enough, especially in those living conditions) and the legend has been embellished over the years. There's nothing to preclude his having fought in the Chaco War, either -- if he's about 100 now, he would have been 20 then.


This^. In the absence of rigorous documentation, old people have always routinely exaggerated their age; this is well documented and even calibrated by sociologists. And the fewer markers there are to anchor their claims -- i.e. as their contemporaries and even their children, as historical events recede, as memory fades, especially in societies without extensive written archives -- the greater their exaggerations become.

By the way, it's even routine in cases like this for somebody to claim to have fought in some famous war, and even to sincerely believe it themselves, only for it turn out that they were far too young and in fact have incorporated stories of a relative, heard as a child, into their own narrative. In this case, if it turns out he's actually about 90 and his "memories" of the Chaco War are actually stories from his father or an uncle that he heard as a 10 year old, it would be entirely unsurprising. In fact, objectively speaking there are far better documented precedents for this explanation than for the guy actually being 123 or even 100.
 
2013-08-16 07:38:40 AM
Let's cut off a leg and count the rings.
 
2013-08-16 08:15:20 AM
I thought the retarted "Wait, what?" thing had finally been killed by the moderators, but now its back.

fark you submitter, read the article again if you're confused.
 
2013-08-16 09:00:14 AM

RenownedCurator: I doubt this one will be verified -- the registrar supposedly has the baptismal certificate but won't show it (I'd like to know when the registry was made) the guy himself can't say for certain how old he is, and his child is 67 and grandchild is 23, meaning that they were born when he was 53 and 100 years old. While that's certainly possible, I'm guessing it's more likely that the guy is around 100 years old (impressive enough, especially in those living conditions) and the legend has been embellished over the years. There's nothing to preclude his having fought in the Chaco War, either -- if he's about 100 now, he would have been 20 then.


the living child is 67.

the other two died.

my grandparents had an age gap of kids of 30 years. ...  that would mean this guy could maybe have a kid that would have been 97 had it not died.  which would mean he had his first kid at 26.  very possible.
 
2013-08-16 11:01:25 AM

NorCalLos: I sure would like to try some coca leaves some day, or even the soda or wine they make with it. They say it's akin to a cup of coffee.


comprasperu.com

You can buy coca leaves, coca wines, liqueurs, pretty much anything except coca seeds. Shipping to the US is kind of a legal grey area; they may get seized by customs, but I don't think you get in any trouble for that, you just lose your money. FWIW, I've had 2 orders of 500g bags of coca leaves come through with no problems at all, but I purchased them from a website that no longer exists.

Chewing the leaves with a pinch of baking soda is my preferred method of use. You just masticate them a bit, then hold them in your cheeks. It helps you breath easier, gives a nice mild boost of energy, and you get that very pleasant mouth numbness that a certain derivative is famous for. A quid is really nice on a long walk, since they seem to last about 45 min before they loose potency. My friends said taking a pouch hiking was fantastic.

One tip if you do try them: take some chewing gum with you. Getting all the particles of green leaf out of your mouth after spitting out the quid can be a pain, but chewing some gum traps them and makes it much easier to get them all out of your mouth.

One other thing you can do is make some homemade Vin Mariani: just lightly simmer a bunch of leaves in some port wine. It's pretty tasty and has quite nice effects.
 
2013-08-16 12:11:08 PM
Pffffff! He's got nothing on Olde Parr. Thomas Parr lived to be 152.
And he makes a damn fine whiskey.
 
2013-08-16 12:20:44 PM
static.tvtropes.org Bolivia?
 
2013-08-16 01:32:14 PM
Every human being on the face of the planet who was alive the last time the Cubs won the World Series must die in order for them to win another one, is my theory.  So...how much for an "unfortunate accident"?
 
2013-08-16 01:49:13 PM

Amos Quito: FTA: "The native Aymara lives in a straw-roofed dirt-floor hut in an isolated hamlet near Lake Titicaca at 13,100 feet [...]Hobbling down a dirt path, Flores greets them with a raised arm, smiles and sits down on a rock. His gums bulge with coca leaf, a mild stimulant that staves off hunger. Like most Bolivian highlands peasants, he has been chewing it all his life."

So he spent his whole life at HIGH altitude - and ON COCA?

Low oxygen + good "medicine" = long life.


/Easy as 123


Best part is, if he is verified as being 123 he will probably be around for a while longer judging from his physical shape.

/yeah, I got the bit about chewing Coca too.
 
2013-08-16 04:16:35 PM

ficklefkrfark: Amos Quito: FTA: "The native Aymara lives in a straw-roofed dirt-floor hut in an isolated hamlet near Lake Titicaca at 13,100 feet [...]Hobbling down a dirt path, Flores greets them with a raised arm, smiles and sits down on a rock. His gums bulge with coca leaf, a mild stimulant that staves off hunger. Like most Bolivian highlands peasants, he has been chewing it all his life."

So he spent his whole life at HIGH altitude - and ON COCA?

Low oxygen + good "medicine" = long life.


/Easy as 123

Sweeeeeeeet? My life of cocaine use and high alpine winter sports will totally pay off!

/fark off guidance/drug abuse councelors...I got this.


You're on the Aspen diet.
 
2013-08-16 06:55:21 PM
washington-babylon: Amos Quito: FTA: "The native Aymara lives in a straw-roofed dirt-floor hut in an isolated hamlet near Lake Titicaca at 13,100 feet [...]Hobbling down a dirt path, Flores greets them with a raised arm, smiles and sits down on a rock. His gums bulge with coca leaf, a mild stimulant that staves off hunger. Like most Bolivian highlands peasants, he has been chewing it all his life."

So he spent his whole life at HIGH altitude - and ON COCA?

Low oxygen + good "medicine" = long life.


/Easy as 123

Best part is, if he is verified as being 123 he will probably be around for a while longer judging from his physical shape.

/yeah, I got the bit about chewing Coca too.


Indeed, he doesn't look to be death bed frail.
 
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